What are we fighting against/for?

Who are our friends, enemies, and enemies-of-enemies? Who are our worst enemies vs. our lesser enemies? I realize that we humans are limited to imperfect knowledge, but we ought to have an idea of what we are fighting for and what our goal is, to guide our decisions and actions.

I'd like to attempt to answer the question of what we are fighting against/for from a few various perspectives. Please give better answers if you think you can.

"Pure" Christian perspective:
We are not fighting for anything on Earth other than to spread God's message and live peacefully by his commands. Life on Earth isn't of primary importance to us, and we'll turn our cheeks if persecuted. Our goal is to do God's bidding until the second coming when he will judge all humans.

American patriot perspective:
We are fighting against tyranny of the government. Our goal is to live in a sustainable Republic where the government is kept under control, which is to say where power is relatively evenly distributed such that none of us has a major advantage over the other, and we are all free to mind our own business within the constraints of the Constitution.

Nietzschean perspective:
We are fighting against nihilism and other forms of sickness and degeneracy in European man. Our goal is the strengthening of European man through overcoming the sickness and weakness caused to us by 2000 years of Christianity, through a revaluation of our modern day values, through a new social order (perhaps a new "master race" bred out of the Jews since they're the smartest), and so on. We want to embrace life including the passions, violence, war, and suffering; we want new gods and new goals - *not* to settle down and live happily ever after.

Socialist perspective:
We are fighting to eliminate suffering. Our goal is a Utopia that is free of suffering, wherein no one has power over another, no one is impoverished, everyone is equal, everyone is free to pursue whatever they want in life.

Anarcho-Capitalist perspective:
We are fighting to eliminate violence and coercion. Our goal is a simplified reality that is free of coercion, wherein free market capitalism reigns supreme.

Islamic perspective:
We are fighting against the infidels. Our goal is to spread Islam over the four corners of the Earth.

"Pure" Buddhist perspective:
We are not fighting against anything, but we are avoiding suffering. We are living in the flow, embracing reality as it happens, and not forming attachments which are the source of pain. Our goal is to live in an enlightened mental state of bliss.


I think it's a valuable exercise. To give perhaps an interesting example: I've been thinking about this in relation to Trump and his apparent changes since being elected. Some people assert that he's an evil person who was lying the whole time or that he sold out. Another possibility I see is that he may be a true patriot who realized once elected (and having access to more information) that the "swamp" / deep state / whatever were more deserving of his support than he originally thought.

Personally, I tend towards the Nietzschean perspective myself. I think Hitler largely shared it as well, although he obviously had a different idea in mind for the Jews. But, from this perspective, I find myself far more sympathetic towards the "TPTB" than most "patriots" (and many around here): while they think tyrannical government is the biggest evil, I think it might actually be the best outcome and the inevitable, necessary end to the decline that we're waiting for. Granted that the failure of the government to take control and form a new social hierarchy might tell us that the wrong people are in there - so far they lack the vision, courage, and magnanimity to do what's required.

Kill Jews. Stop Degeneracy. Make White countries white.

That's pretty much it.

tl;dr

we're fighting to save the white race

Were National Socialists here bud. We are fighting against cultural marxism and white genocide. Jews are the enemy, and anyone who sides with them, including race traitors.

This thread won't be understood and people will call you a shill.
I can as well, I'm full "indigo-pilled" / eco-fascist and think that 90+% of the Earth's population needs to die off somehow in order for a sustainable existence. The 10% remaining could be half of the billion whites currently alive instead of Israelis like TPTB want.

We are fighting against OP, giant faggot that he is.

I can go with that goal (to empower the white race), but I perceive there to be a lack of vision and agreement on how to actually achieve that goal.


I agree with you that the majority of humans are superfluous and a net negative from an environmental point of view.

Interesting, how do you think we should go at it. The board seems fine other than imkike

Nietzche was anti-nation and race as well as a jew-lover.

His brand of thought was the stepping stone for Randian globalism.

Kill jews
Gas undesirables
Migitgate and partially eliminate some non-whites

My view
Enslave other non-whites, mostly sexually with their women
Have robots run things
Expand into space under an empire

It's a tough question. The main problem is that the majority of whites are against it. So, broadly speaking, there are two high level solutions to that:

1. Change their values and perspectives:
This is something that we all can fight for, and I suppose are fighting for on Holla Forums. However, most people do not understand how just deep this goes. Ultimately, I believe we need to push the full Nietzschean perspective here:
* Christianity was a disease that weakened European civilization
* Our current values, such as pity for the weak, anti-suffering, and desire for comfort are part of our weakness, left behind by Christianity, and must be replaced by stronger values
* And then, finally, that life itself is a continual war (between species, communities, individuals), that we ought to embrace it and start defending ourselves and fighting back (there is no "other" or "better" world - that was a lie used by Christianity to devalue and slander reality); that that is the biologically healthy thing to do, and that if we fail to do so we'll simply prove ourselves an evolutionary abortion

2. Overpower them via force:
The U.S. military is mighty - potentially including biological, nuclear, or robotic warfare. This opens up the possibility that a very small group could do major damage. This is what I hope TPTB are working towards. It helps that they're slowly enslaving the general population via "big government".


So what should we do? Well, we can try to help our fellow whites overcome their delusions and sicknesses and encourage them to embrace a healthier perspective on life. The other thing we should be doing is taking on as much responsibility as we can and acquiring as much power as we can for ourselves. Hopefully some day we'll be in a position to use that power directly in the fight for our race. Indirectly, power gives us more influence over others who will look up to us and our example. We have to fight hard for what we want, as unfair as our position is, as much as others are to blame, and so forth. It's the only way!

why, just put them on reservations
you actually still want them to live amongst us? and even procreate with them
disgusting

Nietzsche was a great thinker. He inspired many notable 20th century thinkers, all of whom were greatly inferior. He was anti-nation because he desired a social hierarchy, not a "nation" under which everyone is equal. He was not a Jew lover. He noted admiration for their talent at deception and survival. He insulted the Germans in a couple passages, but perhaps that was merely to goad and motivate them into doing something great. Look what they did a few decades later, in large part thanks to Nietzsche….

We are fighting to return to our natural way of living. It is not an effort to return to a more primitive society, but to accept that in comparison to our rapidly evolving technological development, human nature is stationary. We oppose anyone, and any movement that tries to reform human nature. Anyone that tries to diverge humans away from nature. Everything around us can be formed from our imagination, but not our selves. Thus our natural boundaries must put a limit on society around us. Nature is our highest ideal.

Everyone else than tptb.

Accepting nature means to accept biological differences. It is accepting that it is natural for our people to raise children in a traditional family. This is deeply embedded in our psychology. That is our core human experience.

WE?
i want jews dead
because they form an existential threat to whites

But that's not backed up by what he wrote, it's you assuming motivation. Philosophy has greatly lagged in the past few centuries because we've assumed that humanity is more capable from breaking away (note that I don't say "free") of our biological programming. The ideals espoused by Nietzsche are more reminiscent of the edgy kid in high school who wore camo all the time but still seemed non-threatening.

It's no mistake of history that Fred was the opposite of what he proposed. Heidegger is probably a much better philosophical inspiration as well as the concept of eudaimonia.

Nazism certainly used terms that were used and inspired by Nietzsche while also representing the Platonic ideal of a philosopher king. Fuhrer is a great analogue to the idea. The only thing Hitler truly did wrong was lose. No one had unlimited foresight and I'm not claiming that I am some sort of superhuman able to see the future. However, it's important to remember that he didn't achieve or fail alone and didn't actually upset the soul of the German people by fundamentally altering it as Nietzsche would have wanted.

Nietzsche saw nothing wrong with the actions of the tainted tribe but instead disliked their religion as he did all religions. He wanted passion without transcendental purpose and while he decried materialism he also lent credence to the philosophy. He was the opposite of everything bad about libertarians as represented in a modern context (I can't speak to the philosophy as I don't know much about it outside of memes) there wasn't much of a goal but there was a drive to bring it about.

Hitler was an anarch, one of the very few people able to eschew authority while still evenly distributing structure. I firmly believe Rockwell was the same.

I think Hitler underestimated the resentment which the British/English have towards the world.

No, you're trying to steer the narrative.

Sure is Holla Forums in here

I very much agree. Idealists and victors can be very hindered by their own positive outlook.

WE'RE FIGHTING AGAINST JEWS FOR OUR LIBERTY. It's not that complicated, dumbass.

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THIS HERE, we fight the jew as whites.


National Socialism, its that fucking simple OP.

Or rather the rothschildean grip and the ability of their politicians to spin the situation as a loss of the empire. The people themselves are but pawns. As are the people today.

To secure the existence of our people and a future for white children, because the beauty of the White Aryan woman must not perish from the earth.

What else?

By any means necessary

Christian is not a religion. Catholics are not Orthodox are not Protestant. The views between sects are different.

Mexican immigrant here.

I just want to prevent commies from turning the USA into a 3rd world shithole. There's a reason I left mexico. Lets not turn the USA into mexico.

How about you try to do the opposite, turn Mexico into the USA?

That's for you to decide OP.
Herd mentality is that way >>>Holla Forums

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Seem like a reasonable answer to your questions, OP?

Can you direct to me what he wrote that was anti-nation?

Nietzsche essentially tried to correct that faulty assumption. He saw most of philosophy as an error. He attacked "reason" in philosophy, human morality as anti-nature.

I'm not sure what ideals you're talking about. That we replace nihilistic Christian values with more traditional ones? Essentially, that we strengthen European man once again?

Nietzsche was above moralizing or pronouncing actions as "wrong". And I would not say that he disliked all religions. He waged war on the nihilistic religions (especially Christianity), but even then he recognized value in them.

"The Jews" are a meme, a vast oversimplification. In my view they are only a part of the picture, certainly not the "root of all evil".


The intent of my questions were to encourage others to think and discuss.

The jews are not a meme or oversimplification, it's that simple.
The 1% of the west, mostly jewish, trying to enslave us to their megacorporations and destroy states.
We are doing what Holla Forums thinks its doing, which is destroying savage capitalism and remold it in a nation controlled society, a nation that controls its politics, currency and direction, and taking these powers away from that whealthy powerful jewish 1%.

Alse they are not root of evil, but evil runs in their veins, it's not like they've been kicked from countries for nothing.
Deception, betrayal, murder, destruction are all marked in their blood, and their intelligence helps them hide themselves in the shadow or behind illecit money walls they build as fortress to protect them from justice.