Perhaps the most potent argument against suicide in modern secular societies is that it constitutes wastage of the agent’s own life and commits at the very least indirect harm to the lives of others who in various ways have depended on the agent. However, the force of this argument could be mitigated if the suicide occurred in the context of experimentation, including self-experimentation, with very risky treatments that aim to extend the human condition. Suicides in these cases could be quite informative and hence significantly advance the prospects of the rest of humanity. The suicide agent’s life would most certainly not have been in vain. Much if not most of the cutting edge ‘enhancement’ research is currently conducted on non-humans and/or simulated on computers. Regardless of the promise of such research, it is generally agreed that the real epistemic step change will come from monitoring human usage of the relevant enhancement treatments. But as long as research ethics codes for human subjects continue to dwell in the shadow of the Nuremberg Trials, a very high bar will be set on what counts as ‘informed consent’. Nowadays, more than seventy years after the defeat of Nazi Germany, the only obvious reason for such a high bar is the insurance premiums that universities and other research institutes would need to bear if they liberalized the terms on which subjects could offer themselves in service of risky enhancement research. Of course, the actual outcomes of such experiments need not be death, just as the actual outcomes of suicide attempts are often not death. Nevertheless, the agent would be treating the prospect of suicide in the spirit of self-sacrifice, not so very different from citizens who volunteer to join military service, knowing full well that they may need to give up their life at some point. In this way, the moral stigma surrounding suicide would be removed. Indeed, in a truly progressive society, this route to suicide may come to be seen as a legitimate lifestyle choice – one that might even become popular if/when death comes to be medically reversible. My inspiration for this line of thought, which I have been pursuing from The New Sociological Imagination (2006) to The Proactionary Imperative (2014), is the great 1906 lecture by the US pragmatist philosopher-psychologist William James, ‘The Moral Equivalent of War’. There James acknowledged that there is something of value in people willingly risking their lives in war – a sense of self-transcendence – which nevertheless needed to be channelled in a more productive fashion. My modest proposal is that the taboos on suicide be lifted such that potential experimental subjects who are told that their chances of survival are very uncertain may nevertheless agree to participate with limited liability borne by the institution conducting the research. To be sure, there remain many questions to be solved – such as who bears the liability of a subject severely harmed but not killed as a result of an experiment. In addition, the usual concerns about the potential exploitation of economically vulnerable subjects apply, and may even be intensified. However, the bottom line is that individuals should be presumed capable – until proven otherwise – of setting the level of risk which they are willing to tolerate, even including a level that implies a much higher likelihood of death than most people would tolerate. Such people have the makings of becoming the true of heroes of the transhumanist movement.
Nathan Brooks
Why not show him how?
Nathan Hernandez
Sociology replaced Civics. He's just a wormy little Commie fuck who wont live up to his own ethos or ideas like all of them.
Communism is a cult. Pseudo-intellectualism and the modern "professor" who is just a regurgitation of information compiled from the 1950-1970s is a cancer that will die off when Boomers die off.
Camden Brooks
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Levi Mitchell
Why not? People have killed themselves for transgenderism already, might as well go for the next trans trend.
Logan Bell
OP is a faggot.
He's saying that rather kill yourself which you should do, OP pointlessly, is submit your life to medical science and become a guinea pig for risky new procedures and modifications.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Brody Jackson
We're already doing the transhumanism bullshit?
Jonathan Wilson
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Dominic Green
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Joshua Powell
some blackpilled faggots just wanna die user
Cooper Bailey
If you honestly let Trump weigh on your heart enough to get blackpilled by what he said from the beginning, you were never much redpilled, to begin with.
Jordan Miller
telling ppl to kill themselves always seemed self solving
Mason Hill
Back to cuckchan with you
Jason Kelly
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Jordan Peterson
He's not serious, you morons, and he's telling you that with the title.
Zachary Martin
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Ayden Wood
This is retarded bullshit. If it's supposed to be satire it fails miserably. If it's supposed to be serious it fails miserably.
He really should advocate for transhumanism, though; transhumanism encompasses intelligence improvements and he desperately needs those.
Ryder Wilson
They belong on wizardchan then, and can fuck off. The weak should fear the strong, and if they lose hope, faith, and fall into despair, then they never had the courage to begin with. Despicable.
Camden Gonzalez
Calm down, tough guy, war is hell.
Nathan Lee
oy vey stop it with the anti-potato remarks goy! this was by far the most kek worthy d&c the kikes ever made tbh
Lincoln Jones
It's somewhat true, there is a huge amount of Hiberian nepotism in the US. This wouldn't be a problem because we want white nepotism but most are zionists.
Mormons also have a mafia and stole Vegas from wop thugs.
Evan Rivera
People already kill themselves and we will NEVER be able to lower suicide to 0%. Why would we be opposed to letting them further moonshot research? Objectively more useful than any other method they'd use to off themselves.
Zachary Taylor
we should be using pajeets, arabs, jews, niggers, chinks, gooks, and beaners.
Nathan Torres
But that wouldn't be any different than the current situation user:
Gabriel Ramirez
What a shit OP.
Chase Butler
because transhumanism is a suicide cult
Jacob Fisher
came here to say this. Did no one else pick up on this reference. He's pointing out the absurdism of transhumanism and "progressive" values.
I would need to learn more about him, but he may be /ourguy/
Jace Nguyen
He should lead by example
Gabriel Morris
I looked over a couple of his things and they all seem to follow the form of this thread. He presents a well reasoned point or critique which is then mistaken for something extreme which gets him attention. He makes me interested in finding out more about Jesuits because through history the rank and file of that order have been intelligent productive men in comparison to how their leaders are portrayed which is usually(at least from the 19th century onwards) subversive and traitorous.
Vid related is about using the notion of intelligent design as a guide for inductive reasoning as insight into biology. Check the video comments and it's basically like this thread.
Landon Cook
I have heard of Steve Fuller before. He's clearly a deep thinker and a real intellectual. Much of his work seems to have some profound ideas and questions, without always providing many answers. HOWEVER, he seems to be enamoured with the cult of (((Transhumanism))), and he is definitely NOT /ourguy/. It's no secret that Jews dominate Transhumanism, and they do this for a reason: (((Kurzweil))), (((Yudkowsky))), (((Gladwell))), (((Istvan))), etc. … 8/pol/ is firmly ANTI-Transhumanist! This article nevertheless shows how (((Progressives))) want to kill off everything of value, including humanity itself, in order to further their sick and twisted agenda.
Mason Thomas
OP is a giant faggot.
Kevin Stewart
Just from the way you type I can tell you aren't from here and don't belong here.
Angel Rivera
Old or another one of these cunts? Anyway he's a sociolgy cunt who doesn't know anything about tech. Just the type to believe in unicorn bullshit.
Oliver Diaz
How the hell do you expect to fight against cyborgs, robots, AI, animal uplifts, splices, bioborgs, etc. If you don'the move beyond the human condition. We NEED to improve ourselves if we are to have any chance against these coming hordes of inhumans. We can use technology to improve our minds and bodies far beyond what was ever possible for even the Aryans. Of course, we shouldn't use it for such degeneracy as to become a sexual monstrosity or making some fucktarded fashion statement, nor should we allow others to do so, but if you don't utilize this tech just because some people may do those things or it hurts your fe-fes, then you will be destroyed. Not by someone like me, but from simple natural selection.
Robert Hall
There was another thread on transhumanism that pointed out the Jewish influence on it that just got deleted. Why was that deleted? It's a legitimate point as it is true. I am currently in school for genetic engineering (for future eugenics of course) and I can confirm many of my classmates are Jews and are open transhumanists.
Joshua Flores
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Adam Baker
You are rather fast.
Ryan Myers
For the love of Moses!
Ayden Ward
Every technological advance that was supposed to give us jobs and a better life has just ended up with us giving more control,money and time up for less jobs,more money for the rich and more control over us.
fuck ai,computers and machines and sacrificing ourselves for them while their technology is controlled by a bunch of global elitists who want us to abort all our kids,eat fly larvae and shit in the street.
Why should we fucking bother?
Nathaniel Cook
Wow, just wow.
Ryder Ross
This is the same reasoning Islamic terrorists use when recruiting suicide bombers.
David Young
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Josiah Roberts
Why has no one in this thread pointed out the author is clearly a jew? You faggots need to work on facial feature recognition.