Retcons that Ruined characters

Samuel Kelly
Samuel Kelly

Name retcons that made characters backstories weaker. Like Akira toriyama retcon Bardock backstory to make him a loving father and family man that sent Goku too earth to save him. Goku was no longer sent too earth to conquer the planet. He now a rip off of Superman. Also frieza killed the saiyan race because he feared that a Super saiyan God would be born one day. Which makes the concept of Super saiyan less important.

Connor Fisher
Connor Fisher

Fuck off, fag.
Only DBS-loving fanboys hate Minus. It didn't even retcon anything, it just did a canon take on a non-canon character. And answered many questions, like how Raditz knew both parents well enough to talk to Goku about them, how the Saiyans could be so stupid about Frieza's betrayal (they weren't), and how a simple smack on the head could suddenly make Goku decent.

It's like fags who prefer the movie History of Trunks to the manga chapter, despite it shitting on lore and worldbuilding. But of course, again, these are fanboys that actually enjoy DBS.

To answer your question and with something other than DBS and its shitty retcons, I'd say… Red Sonja's entire backstory getting retconned because Muh Rape or whatever. Goddamn. The resurrection thing was fucking stupid.

Evan Bell
Evan Bell

it didn't change anything

You are kidding right?

It literally changed the entire relationship between Goku and Grandpa Gohan by default.

It turns Goku into a (poor) Superman clone. It changes the Saiyans from a warrior race who tests their babies, forcing the weak to die in space or on planets far from their home.

It changes Bardock from a badass martyr to well, a 50's dad.

Joseph Martinez
Joseph Martinez

opening a thread on Holla Forums with anime
Holy shit, I want summer to end.

On topic, Maxwell Lord went from a used car salesman that weaseled his way into a position of power in the Justice League, to the cold and calculating leader of an evil organization hellbent on destroying all metahumans even though he was a cyborg, though apparently he's all better now or something. Also he shot one of my favourite characters in the head.

Thomas Thompson
Thomas Thompson

You say that now. By the way DC been going. We will probably see a official elseworld Superman and Goku crossover one day.

Angel Allen
Angel Allen

We will probably see a official elseworld Superman and Goku crossover one day.
I wouldn't mind that, assuming they did it good. Doesn't change the fact the OP started off with fucking anime on a Western comics and cartoons board.

Easton Nguyen
Easton Nguyen

But does Goku mom have rule 34 of her yet?

Noah Bennett
Noah Bennett

Everything after Dragon Ball is really just picking and choosing what you want to be canon. Toriyama is horrible with consistency so I wouldn't worry to much about what is consistent. I think that youtuber would have benefited from that instead of having a hissy fit as well. For instance, I'm sure not many people view Super as canon, and I'm sure in a couple years it'll hold GT status. Even then you have to factor in various other universes that even acknowledge both of those. Hell, there's a whole semi-canon universe dedicated to an arcade card game.

Camden Smith
Camden Smith

He could've just retcon Goku mom removing saiyan programming before he was sent to earth

James Hill
James Hill

Also in the anime, Raditz says "I'm afraid you're far too valuable to us for that. You see, three years ago, our home planet Vegeta met with an unfortunate accident, when a huge comet splattered to its surface." Akira originally for that to be a fairly recent event, w/ Raditz coming to earth to look for Goku 'for a job' (it's long been speculated an attempt to kill Freiza, though that never manifests). It was Toei animation that botched that up.

Plus, Raditz never mentions either his father, nor his Mother. In fact, the only time Goku's father is mentioned in the Saiyan Saga is when Vegeta says 'Your father was an average fighter, but an amazing scientist' in the Ocean Dub.

Carson Ramirez
Carson Ramirez

Only DBS-loving fanboys hate Minus.
What are you talking about!m? It did nothing but confirm the canon of super

Nolan Lee
Nolan Lee

In the anime
Why do you fags always blame the anime on the creator of the manga?

Goku (and Kami) were always Superman clones. It doesn't change anything between Gohan and Goku that isn't anime-only.

Minus existed before Super. It tied into BoG. Super is Toei's shitty, non-canon attempt to appeal to lowest common denominator fans.

Austin Evans
Austin Evans

Short of being an alien no.

Fuck, Goku started out as a parody of Wukong from Journey to the West.

Daniel Ross
Daniel Ross

Actually, according to Trunks in Xenoverse, GT is an alternate timeline from the regular one (DB, DBZ & DBS) created when he went back in time. Thus, it's technically canon, even if it technically isn't.

Gavin King
Gavin King

Goku was an alien before Minus, you fucking retard. That was established in the first chapters of DBZ and hinted at beforehand.
It was also a gag manga at first, so I don't know what point you're trying to make.

Robert Wilson
Robert Wilson

Xenoverse
A shitty video game not written by Toriyama
Having anything to do what what is and is not canon

Austin James
Austin James

Guys, chill.

Dragonball lore is loose and open to interpretation/contradiction. That's the way it was written from the start.

Just pick and choose what you like and ignore what you don't.

Toriyama doesn't give a shit, and neither should you.

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

Super is also not written by Toriyama but, for better or worse, IS canon.

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

Chill
Summerfag.
It's only loose if you rely too much on the anime. Outside of some mistakes because of shit editors and the series' corpse getting dragged along too long, the lore and worldbuilding is fairly solid.
It's Toei and Toei fanboys that fuck it up and will argue to death that DBS is canon and that there's no retcons, while simultaneously berating Toriyama for "forgetting" Trunks not going Super right away in History of Trunks– even though he can do it from the start in the manga.

Wyatt Collins
Wyatt Collins

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He doesn't give a shit. He wrote DBZ on a tight schedule and made shit up as he went along. Even he didn't know what was canon and what wasn't.

That's why he forgot 90% of the characters he made.

Jackson Hernandez
Jackson Hernandez

DBS has Tori's name on it, too. Toei likes putting his name on shit to make it look more official.
Not written by Tori
But still canon
You're the same kind of fag that insists GT isn't canon because Tori didn't write it.

Jose Torres
Jose Torres

Le Toriyama forgets meme
He forgot Launch and planned to write her back in but decided his dumbass fans would think she's a Super Saiyan.
He fucks himself over with power cycles and forgets hair color. That's all.

You know who really doesn't care? Toei. They made Marron younger than she was in the Buu saga despite Tori's designs, fucked up Bra's age, forgot Goten and Trunks, and retconned shit like flying being a technique rather than an inherit skill, and you think THEY care?

Ian Lopez
Ian Lopez

GT cannot be Canon now because GT can't happen now.

Luis Ward
Luis Ward

Super completely overwrites GT and I don't recall anyone ever saying GT was canon back when it was the currently airing show. Even back then it was treated as a "What if we continue with this angle?" kind of thing.

Eli Turner
Eli Turner

and you think THEY care?
No. They don't give a shit. The guy who wrote it doesn't give a shit. It's only the mindless fanboys who like to argue with each other who give a shit.

Isaac Thompson
Isaac Thompson

To make it super clear:

Dragon Ball is meant to be fun and entertaining. It isn't meant to be logical, consistent or high art. It's okay that they contradict themselves over and over – because it isn't important how many levels of Kaioken there are or how many Sayians were on planet Bubpkis before Freezer ate them.

What matters is cool things happen and fun stories get told.

Evan Stewart
Evan Stewart

I never understood the appeal of maxwell lord.

Elijah Martin
Elijah Martin

Not that I even knew the character before the shit show, but the retcon to Mockbird is probably the worst one that there is.

Cameron Lee
Cameron Lee

I know that dragon ball isn't meant to be logical. but some stuff they do is just outright retarded that just doesn't make sense even for a fun story. You can't have master roshi deflect a kamehameha from goku at super saiyan blue because he's been 'training in secret' that's just poor writing.

Android 17 was able to hold his own against goku because 'he's been fighting against poachers and training a lil bit on the side'

they reduced turning into a super saiyan from an emotional feeling to 'haha concentrate ur ki where it tingles in your back xd' I don't care about power levels, I just want some semblance of consistency.

What Toriyama is doing is the equivalence of having a writer have aquaman destroy superman in a battle of brute strength because he's been training a bit.

Kayden Davis
Kayden Davis

You're looking for /a/index.html.
This is Holla Forums, the board for Western comics and cartoons.

Hudson King
Hudson King

No shit, but that is where his comparisons to Superman end, at least until Minus came out.

Toriyama had a lot more control over the anime then Manga fans like to give credit too.

Henry Collins
Henry Collins

Please, he said it himself he honestly forgot about her.

He also forgot Saiyans had tails while designing Goten and Kid Trunks.

Brody Moore
Brody Moore

Dragon Balls real problem is that that at some point it did a pretty good job at being serious and emotional. At making fights MATTER and you care about these characters and what they go through. DB and early DBZ had wonderful filler arcs because of it.

Now it's so quick to rob stuff of meaning and weight. Just becoming useless noise that no one gives a shit about. Get me to care and then I'll bother to have fun.

Don't excuse shit writing with being "fun and silly XD"

Gavin Edwards
Gavin Edwards

Bardock is non-canon

Levi Adams
Levi Adams

very mention of Dragon Ball starts an argument about what is and isn't canon
Every time. Take this shit back to /a/.

Matthew Martin
Matthew Martin

Toriyama has admitted, multiple times, that he was just making everything up as he went along. He only had a couple chapters planned ahead at a time, but never decided on a definitive ending or goal for the series.

Ryder Hill
Ryder Hill

It technically belongs considering Toonami and Beyonder already said it was fine. The problem is there the reddit spacing faggot keeps taking the bait of the user that constant bitches about /a/.

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

It changes Bardock from a badass martyr to well

I suppose you only watch the Funi dub of the special right?

Zachary Roberts
Zachary Roberts

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Isaac Bailey
Isaac Bailey

THINGS THAT ARE CANON
The Manga
History of Trunks
Bardock Father of Goku

THINGS THAT ARE NOT CANON
Everything else including the fucked up fanfiction fever fest that is DBS

Jackson Rogers
Jackson Rogers

but DBS is good

Caleb Campbell
Caleb Campbell

pic 2

Alexander Jones
Alexander Jones

there are anons who are in denial about potara fusions aleays having a time limit
there are anons that cannot put 2 and 2 together with Buu absorbing Gotenks with no issues but magic effected earings
DBZ fandom loves to cherry pick info.

Grayson Ortiz
Grayson Ortiz

retcons that ruined characters

The Avatar being what happened when some guy let some Light Goddess hitch a ride in him.

Also, Toph being a slut and deadbeat mom.

Jonathan Evans
Jonathan Evans

Best theme song in Dragon ball history
doesn't discredit DBZ canon
doesn't disrespect anyone's power level
animation that wasn't made by wage cucks
has an actual super saiyan power up
goku isn't an inconsistant autist
actual adventure like Dragon ball
Vegeta isn't a cuck
Freeza dies forever
Baby still has the most Sympathetic backstory of any Dragon ball villain
Why do people hate GT again?

Christian Smith
Christian Smith

cause no matter how good it seems on paper its execution left a lot to be desired

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

Best theme song
Shit opinion right there. Rock the Dragon still the best. Watched Dragon Ball before it hit CN/Toonami.
Power level
The fuck was everyone but Goku getting their shit kicked in almost all the time?
animation
Well fuck, you got me there.
Goku autist
I'm not even sure what you are trying to say here. Are you actually saying that Goku in DBZ was some Super Hero?
Dragonball adventure
Only makes sense if their world wasn't on the brink of destruction. Also if the gang wasn't pussyfooting around every fucking time would it make any sense.
vegeta
Vegeta was hen pecked the moment Bulma set her eyes on him
Freeza
Just because freeza stayed a ghost doesn't mean that his appearance in GT was any less exploited for marketing
Baby
Debatable. Jack and shit happened to Baby, he was never a victim of the Saiyans. Only the creator of Baby was wiped out. There is no difference in back story between Baby and Cell.

Benjamin Roberts
Benjamin Roberts

If I actually listed all the retcons, I'd be here for hours.

So I'll just say Filoni and the CGI Clone Wars cartoon.

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