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Let's agree that DDR wasn't socialist but wasn't all that bad neither?

It was a pleasant enough social democracy which provided for its populace, certainly better than the west.

Calling it state capitalism doesn't really address the heart of the matter. If it was just state capitalist then it would not have had such a jarring counter-revolution along with the rest of Eastern Europe.

At the heart of problem with the GDR was the bureaucracy grew senile and allowed the productive forces of the GDR to fall behind the west, that and like the rest of Eastern Europe thought censorship was a viable strategy.

Shit meme.

It's being spammed all over from Shitoslavia to Worst Korea.

What fucking jobs? What fucking apartments? Paid from IMF credits which had to be returned one day.

Let me ask you something.

If I borrow billion dollars today and live off as a king for next 50 years, is it Socialism? It's a rhetorical question - answer is yes.

But who is going to pay afterwards?

lmfao

[citations needed]

DDR certainly did not live in credit. They did borrow some money in the 80s, but that's it.

There was this interesting documentary about how East Germans apparently had better sex lives than their western counterparts that I watched a while back, but its unfortunately been taken down from jewtube by copyright claim and I can't find it anywhere.

Why even live?

And then it fucking dropped dead out of blue sky together with the rest of the Socialist Soviet Republics.

dailymotion.com/video/x222wl0_do-communists-have-better-sex_shortfilms

It would be fine, no "The lives of others" and all, had there not be those filthy western capitalists…

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Try better bait.

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Now I know you're a shill. He was such a bro it was literally his name.

Well, it was the only one of Eastern Block countries that wasn't in deep shit by the end of 80s.
Plus, GDR managed to complete second industrialisation in the 80s. They had pretty dope achievements in the field of automatisation.

It's notable that when Gorby started bullshitting Honecker about the need of Perestroika in GDR, Erich answered that they already had their own perestroika.

Lol, It was Soviets who stabbed GDR in the back, as they did with the oil deals with FRG in the 70s.

fuck off marksoc revisionist

Fucking tankies m8. Protip: Marx isn't Jesus, revising or modifying his ideas isn't a crime unto itself.

It's like one Khruschev is not enough

I want vita cola

The *feels* that you force me feel

a depressing anti-human regime that would drive beautiful people to suicide.
at least it was all feminist, pro-LGBT before the west. doesn't make up for the Stasi and the wall.

lol

East Germany was depressing, and that's why Schumann killed himself after defecting, right?
lmfao

lol

he killed himself in 1998.
The Stasi as a deliberate policy aimed to inflict psychological trauma on suspects, and had been planning a holocaust since 1979, codenamed Plan X.

You sure you have all the facts?

Total people escaped over the Berlin Wall: 5075

While Berlin Wall was standing, every year twice as much emigrated legally to West Germany.

Number of emigrees to the East Germany in mid 50s: 70 thousand every year.

Yes, he killed himself after falling into fame-related depression and being regarded by his countrymen as traitors.

Also,
Lol, the Stasi themselves even refused to follow the order for fear of being lynched the proles.

*as a traitor.
english is not first language donut bully

Doesn't sound like east Germany being a good place has anything to do with it then.
government spends decades to draft a thorough plan so abhorrent the Stasi officers couldn't go through with it in 1989 when the state was crumbling.
That sounds like something that would happen in a place I want to live. amirite.

Well, I would hope that in a place you live, the Proles would have enough power to resist the tyrants that would rule over them and kill them, yes. The Stasi should have feared the proletariat.

"My countrymen hate me for betraying East Germany!"
"But it doesn't have to do anything with East Germany being a good place…"

that's right, "your countrymen" can hate you for being a traitor regardless of the how nice the regime is, he could've betrayed Hitler, Kim, or Franco, it doesn't say anything that they resented him for it.

Can you post a source for that? I've been meaning to read about this so as to mention it when people whine about the "terrible conditions."

So, if his countrymen hated East Germany, what did they hate him for, again? Cognitive dissonance?

Source on what? 5075 is everywhere.

Immigration statistics should also be easily searchable.

For example: East-West German Immigration Statistics (1961-1990)
germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/sub_document.cfm?document_id=925

The lowest number emigrating out of the East was in 1983 - 11,343 people. 1964, 1965, and 1984 - each year over 40 thousand.

Was it work emigration?

maybe his countrymen liked east Germany, or they hated him for other reasons than betraying the state.
has it taken you think many posts to understand than people can like a state that is bad. Most Germans like Hitler even decades after the war ended.

What do you mean?

Like, did people blindly tested their luck?

If you're emigrating to capitalist countries, you need to think about finding work.
And that's what I'm talking about, did they first somehow find work in the west and only then emigrate?

What were conditions for being allowed to emigrate?

I take it, emigrants were skilled specialists.
State can't just let them go.
After all, society paid for those peoples education, it's common property.

/thread

Well, people were not considered property in the East. Which is why, skilled specialists (who got free education) were leaving East Germany for the West (where there was no free education - and, therefore, was higher demand for skilled specialists).

IIRC, West Germany had a support program for emigrees from the East after wall was built.

Reagan sucks

That second pic makes capitalism look pretty awesome.

DDR should have brown eyes and a round face from being a soviet rape-baby.

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it's not a meme, fuckwad. The Soviets did rape hundreds of thousands, possibly more than a million Germans. These were and other warcrimes were often encouraged, and rarely disciplined. the Soviet union had been encouraging this for months before they even set foot on german territory to take revenge, eye for an eye, and when they got there and started killing, looting and raping, command soon realized what shit they stepped in, and tried to reign it in, but the first month or so in Germany was hell.
Still, none of what the soviets did was worse than anyone week of what the Germans did on the eastern front.

No warcrimes were committed by the soviets you fucking retard.

So Marshal Rokossovsky ordered all looters and rapists to be shot on the scene of a crime, because none were happening?

The statistics about rape by the Red Army are all extrapolations from an increase in abortions in Berlin for a few months in 1945.

Beevor, has written extensively on the Eastern Front and the subsequent Soviet occupation of Germany. His own estimates, state the the number of rapes that occurred under the Soviet occupation is somewhere around 1.4 million (which seems high but keep in mind, this is over a multi-year period where a very large number of Soviet troops were in Germany and other Baltic states). Beevor's sources ranged from NKVD reports to documentation on the number of abortions that were carried out by German woman in the immediate aftermath of the Soviet invasion and occupation. additionally, in regards to rapes committed by western allies, people have used the diaries of Bavarian priests as sources.

What are you talking about? University education was free in West Germany ever since.

You're right about the specialists though; after the reunification, nobody complained about people not being properly trained and educated, however their work ethics sucked

Ever since 1971. Ten years after Berlin Wall was built, when the effects of not having enough specialists started to show.

Do we really need to discuss this?

Don't get me wrong, but the actual data is a conjecture, based on statistics of one hospital.

Yeah. This is his data - 1 (one) hospital; collected an "interpreted" during late Cold War by "totally not biased" researchers.

Don't get me wrong - rapes happened; but claiming some bullshit millions, or that they were exclusively Soviet because Soviets punished them, while Allies didn't - is just dumb.

I read that they only then legalised abortion so lots of women that didn't want their children claimed they were raped by the invaders.

No, you are wrong. West German public universities were always free of charge, a tradition dating back to German Empire even.

You'd have to pay a small fee every semester of like 150 Mark, which is seriously peanuts compared to the anglo-saxon system.

Right. Actual prohibition of tuitions fees happened in 1976. 1971 was BAföG. I mixed those up.

Well, are comparing BRD with DDR, not UK.

My point is that it was much easier to get education in East Germany. West needed reforms that happened only in 70s to get things up to speed.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?
DDR was an dystopian authoritarian hellhole. I've seen interviews with families that niggerrigged hot air baloons in their basements out of fucking blankets to escape that place. Any they could not even risk telling their friends or their own fucking parents because it was too probable that they were being made to work for the secret police and get thrown into those work-until-you-die camps for trying to escape.

What did they do to be wanting to escape that bad?

Lol, I need to see this
Link please

Have you thought that these people simply bought into western propaganda? These were the same "intellectuals" that were excited about McDonalds as if it was some great cultural institution.

national communism and forced athiesm

funny how supposed communist revolution to happen in 1st world soon took the slavic nigger territories of germany only - austro-bavaria and east germany, all formerly inhabited by slavs, then germanised slavs

Literally no way it could compete due to the Marshall Plan and America sperging out about gommunism.

Hmm. They encouraged philosophy and intellectual games such as chess, and everyone had a job. I wonder why anyone revolted against this intellectual paradise?

Reason for revolt: Prices of coffee rose

mfw

They promoted philosophy and intellectual games such as chess, and everyone had a job. So why did people revolt against this intellectual paradise?

Reason for revolting: The price of coffee rose

mfw

Autoritarian hellhole. Alot of people were happy but is was still a dictatorship that treated many people like shit, just for having a different opinion. On the other hand, many former westgermans agree that life there had benefits and a great social sythem which providet for its citizens (you even hear this from conservative porkys). But in conclusion it was basicly shit.

kek

german here
there is so much i could tell you about it
sadly i am a few years too young to have any memories myself
my family originates from poland though and i made friends with east germans
i have also always been very interested in the history of the DDR and SED

one guy i knew had a grandfather who was part of the social democrats vote for unity with the communists and confirmed that the "forced unity" is a western social democrats myth.
i learned other things about sabotage attacks, even bombs that were set off to destroy the eastern infrastructure, like railroads but also through economic means by stealing resources, mainly but not limited to educated labor and how the western "sector" never was supposed to be controlled by the west with the same rights as the soviet occupation "zone" which this "sector" was merely a part of with limited shared rights of administration.
the whole "blockade of berlin" was a joke and merely blocked western direct acces as well as open traffic to the eastern sector, while soviets were still sending all necessary supplies themself, the bombers dropping "aid" only made up an insignificant portion and were merely propaganda show.
that the GDR and soviet union were always honest about wanting german unity on antifascist, antimilitaristic terms while adenauer was a sell out to the US.
whilst the conservative party was baiting workers with socialist phraseology ("ahlener program") they sabotaged all diplomacy and efforts to really go after nazis in hiding and build a new germany that would've been a cushion zone between the blocks. instead, even the communist party was banned and communists continuously persecuted.

the GDR, even if not perfect and an unplanned birth, might have had its flaws, but achieved great things. even economically it had its times especially during Walter Ulbrichts leadership during the 60s.

most people who experienced the GDR regret their decisions that lead to the abolishment of their workers state.
they don't exactly want it back, which would be a ridiculous thing as it were very unique and specific terms under which it had been formed, but most realize that the leadership was right after all. and most just wanted political reforms in the beginning before the west started pushing money into the political system and many even experienced reactionary terror in the street aimed to intimidate leftists and socialists that didn't want to let go of socialism.

of course, these people were fucking morons and had no idea that their gorbachev chants, their cheering for a social democrat traitor, could've had no other outcome, instead the revisionist influence under which the party came with honecker should've been reversed. i have trouble feeling sorry for those fucking enourmous idiots.

billions and billions of billions and trillions

noone was persecuted for having an opinion
you could even talk shit as much as you wanted
problem starts where you try to take action. people just love to pretend that they were all just innocent and just "said something".

the things my family said and did, if any of that shit were true, i'd probably not be here.

Not socialism but its was kinda ok, apart from the Gestapo and all that.

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And that is retaliative how?

The GDR productive forces did objectively fall behind the west, one can see it example like the Trabant that despite being a car with low build costs the GDR failed to mass produce the Trabant to the level western automotive companies mass produced far more complex cars. For example 3.7 million Trabants were built over 3 decades, while 15.4 million VW Beetles were built in west Germany over a similar time frame.

Here's a nice write up on that story fam

damninteresting.com/up-in-the-air/

what a shit story
this is more propaganda than fucking soviet newspapers

just fucking look at this shit

Just read how they fucking lived. Poverty much, indeed.
Hell, fucker even was slacking off work

just fucking read it
FIVE WEEKS, ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!
if I was to slack off one week I'd be done for. jobless.

but it ended on a funny note
smells like bullshit, ain't it?

always a neocolonial puppet state and promptly reabsorbed into the porky controlled western germania