Theo de Raadt continues lying

Brandon Murphy
Brandon Murphy

Theo de Raadt is a filthy liar

As a response to this, Theo asked rhetorically "Where's ls, where's cat,
where's grep, and where's sort?", implying that noone so far bothered to
write implementations of even the basic unix utilities in such a
language.

I wasn't implying. I was stating a fact. There has been no attempt
to move the smallest parts of the ecosystem, to provide replacements
for base POSIX utilities.

https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=151233345723889

stating a fact
LOOOOOOOOOOOOL
what is this https://the.exa.website/?
or this https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep?
or even this https://github.com/uutils/coreutils?

Theo de Raadt is such a dishonest nigger.
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All urls found in this thread:
https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=151233345723889
https://the.exa.website/?
https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep?
https://github.com/uutils/coreutils?
https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/6.2/common/002_fktrace.patch.sig
https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/sys/siginfo.h.diff?r1=1.11&r2=1.12
https://the.exa.website/
https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
https://github.com/uutils/coreutils
https://archive.org/metatech/rules.html
https://github.com/uutils/coreutils?
https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/team.html
Benjamin Foster
Benjamin Foster

Idiots who shouldn't be coding, coding.
"safe" languages being trusted to be safe when in the hands of idiots. Like you said.
The more I see of "safe" languages, the more I love assembly. Most people who call themselves programmers...shouldn't.
Wow. Just wow.

Lucas Anderson
Lucas Anderson

Even OpenBSD an Apple's on security now.
https://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/6.2/common/002_fktrace.patch.sig
OpenBSD 6.2 Assorted improvements: … Added fktrace(2).

Evan Wilson
Evan Wilson

Even OpenBSD an Apple's on security now.
what?

Levi Collins
Levi Collins

what do you expect from openbsd nigger cucks ?
talk with someone who uses openbsd and punch yourself in the nuts eachtime you hear these words:
sane, secure, design decision, man pages

Joseph Harris
Joseph Harris

Did you even read the email you posted?
exa
Not POSIX
ripgrep
Not POSIX
Rust Coreutils
Might meet Theo's requirements in 5-10 years.

Asking for the tooling and programs to exist first before asking them to switch to some imaginary system is sanity, what are you smoking?

OpenBSD have had opinions that have been wrong and switched when PROVEN wrong, recent example is FQCoDel, it was initially thought to be shit, but it proved itself and now is in 6.2.

Prove yourself instead of pestering other people to achieve your vision.

Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

reddit spacing
muh POSIX
GNU is also not POSIX

Andrew Hernandez
Andrew Hernandez

Muh POSIX
Ah yes, break everything because you have a vision, and once again, other people should work to achieve it.

Nathan Collins
Nathan Collins

OpenBSD cares about not breaking stuff
LOL. Good one. https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/sys/siginfo.h.diff?r1=1.11&r2=1.12

Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

GNU is also not POSIX
Indeed. Which is why you might encounter a sentence like: "It took about 10 years for
gnu grep to be replaced sufficiently well in our tree." If you would have taken the time to read the letter before posting here. But you didn't, because you're a retarded goon and baiting is what you do.

You will never get your tenbux back, leave.

Isaac Davis
Isaac Davis

baiting is what you do
True. sage negated btw

Caleb Phillips
Caleb Phillips

Ubisoft goes Steamworks bye bye always on DRM.

Isaac Jenkins
Isaac Jenkins

Am I the only one sceptical of both BSScucks and Rustcucks?

Hunter Sanchez
Hunter Sanchez

Can a mod, please, hint if all these terrible threads are made by one person? Because I can't either believe that someone would waste their life on bating some anonymous message board nor can I believe that someone that retarded actually exists.

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

Why doesn't Theo want languages whose buildtools have remote packages and github backends in his OS that can run on a 486?
Gee I wonder.

Alexander Russell
Alexander Russell

Why does (((Theo))) want languages whose buildtools have remote code executions in his OS that can run on a 486?
Really makes me think.

Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

Can a mod, please, hint if all these terrible threads are made by one person?
Would it make any difference if they aren't? The mods aren't doing their job either way and should be replaced.

Wyatt Price
Wyatt Price

There's some merit in both, but not when you're talking about it in a thread created to bait you.
The first 4 replies to this thread are samefagging, what do you think? No IDs means you don't even get the pleasure of wasting his time on ID hops.

Jack Mitchell
Jack Mitchell

Which threads? I just made this and the Using Rust in Mercurial thread.

Angel Allen
Angel Allen

Yeah, I guess you're right.

Zachary Martinez
Zachary Martinez

WUUUUAAAAH! Why aren't the mods deleting all the threads that I think are shit.
Fucking kill yourself you stupid cuck. Either make your own board and censor it to shit or go back to 4/g/ into your /comfy desktop/ threads.

Aiden Garcia
Aiden Garcia

https://the.exa.website/
MIT licensed
https://github.com/BurntSushi/ripgrep
MIT licensed
https://github.com/uutils/coreutils
MIT licensed

Why does the Rustcucks hate freedom so much, and why don't they even protect themselves from patent treachery by using the Apache License v 2? Every Rust project I have come across as been under the MIT license, isn't this quite a (((cohencidence)))?

Jaxson Morales
Jaxson Morales

https://archive.org/metatech/rules.html
6. No spamming, sagebombing, shitposting, or making posts advertising or requesting any kind of currency (bitcoin, altcoin, USD, etc), referrals, boards, products, and/or services. Shitposting is defined as a post or thread that doesn't have any meaningful content, indecipherable text (ie. "lol u tk him 2da bar|?") or otherwise contributes nothing toward discussion (ie. posting just to announce sage). It does NOT mean "anything you don't personally like."

Jackson Allen
Jackson Allen

Why are you quoting this though?

Ryder Price
Ryder Price

Oh I see now.
It does NOT mean "anything you don't personally like.
You were BTFOing yourself.

Jayden Smith
Jayden Smith

to be fair, the MIT license is more permissive than the *GPLs.

Jayden Lewis
Jayden Lewis

Actually GPL is anti-freedom: it takes away the freedom of other developers.
MIT does the right thing by being libertarian.

Jonathan Collins
Jonathan Collins

Yeah it allows others to cuck you.

William Gutierrez
William Gutierrez

defending a rust shilling thread

Jackson Brown
Jackson Brown

being an anti rust shill when many big projects are going to RIIR
LOL. It is 2017 m8. Time to get onto the Rust train.

Landon Martinez
Landon Martinez

How many rustfags are actually on the obsd dev team? Why do they care so much about pushing Rust on to projects?

Don't like how OpenBSD does something then don't fucking use it. My bet is none of these webdev rustfags use it anyways.

Jeremiah Richardson
Jeremiah Richardson

<to cuck us = using our work without giving anything back
We're fine with that, and if you were committed to freedom you'd be fine with it too. Other people have the freedom to be unlike you and to think unlike you. We're fine with that, you aren't. The problem is at your end.

Evan Howard
Evan Howard

Nobody is pushing Rust onto CuckBSD. It is just that Theo de Raadt is a fucking liar. (and a cuck)

We're
Nope. You're. I am committed to freedom. That is why I use GPLv3.

Thomas Williams
Thomas Williams

Theo de Rat is a blatant reactionary. Just look at his absolute seething hatred for the GPL.

Luke Rodriguez
Luke Rodriguez

ripgrep
<(N.B. It is not, strictly speaking, a "drop-in" replacement for both, but the feature sets are far more similar than different.)
Perl reversions were more faithful to the task 20 years ago with Perl Power Tools

Jason Hughes
Jason Hughes

The GPL prohibits you from taking away the freedoms of the users to become developers, it does not prohibit you from using the software as you wish. That is specifically what the GPL is about, freedom preservance.

This guy gets it.

If something is popular it must be good
not calling 2017 CY+2
WEW LAD!
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Rust is all about marketing and promises. It looks more like a cult than a rational defence of a programming language.

It's really cucks competing over how to cuck themselves harder. Neither the BSD people nor the Rustacenas using their copyright opportunities to defend freedom. Just a simple license change would have done the trick.

He hates the GPL but is fine with turning his OS and tools into proprietary software. I never understood that.

(pic related is what Rustshills should do)

Dylan Morris
Dylan Morris

So don't use OpenBSD then. No one cares.

Lincoln Bailey
Lincoln Bailey

The GPL secures no new freedoms that MIT didn't already. All GPL does is take away freedoms. Therefore "freedom preservance" is just your coping mechanism for the cognitive dissonance of promoting freedom while taking it away. Other people have the freedom to not live by your values. By using GPL you want to deny them that freedom.

Carson Walker
Carson Walker

or even this https://github.com/uutils/coreutils?
50,000 SLOC
wtf

Noah Lopez
Noah Lopez

Why does the Rustcucks hate freedom so much
Rust is just a project made to get control of power.
The permissive licenses are their because they want to have a totalitarian control over multiple projects.
The rust Code Of Conduct is their to have a totalitarian control over multiple projects.

to be fair, the MIT license is more permissive than the *GPLs.
Do you even understand what permissive means ?
MIT/BSD and other permissive licenses give you the freedom to legally remove any of the "four freedoms", this kind of licenses is the reasons we have MIT/BSD license installed into hardware that we buy but we can't modify, so in the end we don't truly own our hardware even tho it uses piece of free software on which we should have control.

Actually GPL is anti-freedom
Nice logical fallacy here.
What is the point of making a license to give human freedom if the said license permits them of removing the said freedoms from others ?
but revoking freedom is a freedom
Yes but in that case what's the point of even making a license ?

You see there's a difference between revoking any freedoms possible and conserving some of them at the cost of a few ones, this is why in western human society it's illegal to kill people yourself and they need to be judged and sentenced for their crimes.

We're fine with that
The problem is at your end.
Good luck raising YOUR child.

Rust is all about marketing and promises
This

He hates the GPL but is fine with turning his OS and tools into proprietary software. I never understood that.
That's because of RMS being an absolute autist.
It's in the BSD songs (and decade+ old mailing lists).
You see one day RMS and Theo (plus group) had to take the plane to go to a convention together.
They had multiple discussions one of them was licensing, and théo is pretty aggressive when he defends his point and RMS becomes very stressed when people aren't making an argument nicely, to the point that he can't even.
TL;DR
They embarked the plane and RMS couldn't handle his autism anymore so he forced the plane to re-open to let him down (this is a few months pre 9/11) Théo was angry and so does all the opensource dudes at that time.

RMS is a very logical man (too much actually) and he can't understand the points that aren't made by a logical line of thought.
Fortunately that more or less changed because that impacted the whole Gnu project negatively.
Théo has the same will has RMS but with other values and you can't speak with him about GPL licensing without being flagged has a zealotfag.
This is just but one reason that they maintain more less feuds between them.

Andrew Cook
Andrew Cook

Did you come post here because nobody on misc reads your protonmail spam?

Nicholas Stewart
Nicholas Stewart

The GPL secures no new freedoms that MIT didn't already.
Ok let make a test

Does the MIT or BSD have:
The freedom to run the program as you wish, for any purpose (freedom 0).
Yes but no, No because they aren't required to share the source code when they distribute binaries or let execute a modified/compiled version of the source code.
The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs (freedom 1). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
Yes but no, No because they aren't required to share the source code when they distribute binaries
The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor (freedom 2).
Yes
>The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits (freedom 3). Access to the source code is a precondition for this.
Yes but no, No because they aren't required to share the source code when they distribute binaries

You see it's all ==if== the developer (or corporation) wants to let people to have these freedoms.
And we already know how corporations treats people on this just look at Android it's getting DRMed to the core and you won't be able to flash the rom in next versions.

Brandon Wood
Brandon Wood

Reported for Rust shilling and/or failure to English.

Reported for:

"muh plebbit spacing"

derailment.

Nolan Torres
Nolan Torres

Yes but no, No because they aren't required to share the source code when they distribute binaries or let execute a modified/compiled version of the source code.
Huff gas moron see WD-40 can above. The freedom to make changes, distribute binaries, and NOT distribute source is a free action GPL denies. Therefore, GPL is less free.

Alexander Barnes
Alexander Barnes

Well, since the thread's been proven to be bait and shitty, why don't the admins delete it?

Ayden Hill
Ayden Hill

GPLv3
freedom
I agree that using permissive licenses does more harm than good but come on, GPLv3 is pure garbage because of the whole "tivoization" bullshit. And GPLv2 isn't perfect either because it doesn't allow you to link your software libre with proprietary one so you have to fuck with LGPL and "license compatability" shenanigans. Why can't FSF write a license that just forces all the derivative works to be released under the similar terms without any other bullshit like "linking exceptions" and "tivoization" (not mentioning the basic user freedoms, obviously)?

Michael Campbell
Michael Campbell

The culture inside OpenBSD is very problematic. No wonder the sjw Mozilla Rust crew is trying to infect it.

https://www.rust-lang.org/en-US/team.html

Connor Reyes
Connor Reyes

When I get my glasses, they will be thin metal frames with large possibly aviator lenses. Two local eyeglasses shops were 95% stocked with problem glasses. It was fucking disgusting!

sage for blogpost

Jacob Stewart
Jacob Stewart

It is only shitty because the anti Rust shills and the >muh license fags have derailed it.

but come on
no
GPLv3 is pure garbage
no
"tivoization" bullshit
no
GPLv2 isn't perfect
yes
it doesn't allow you to link your software libre with proprietary one
good

Grayson Gonzalez
Grayson Gonzalez

I should stop expecting well-argumented replies on Holla Forums. Might as well discuss pros and cons of different software licenses on /v/.

Blake Ross
Blake Ross

I should stop expecting well-argumented replies
Well you are not going to get those if you post shite like this But you definitely should go back to /v/

Noah Evans
Noah Evans

Oh, excuse me. I guess I should've put "nigger", "cuck" and "shill" between each and every word or else you can't understand it.

Caleb Bell
Caleb Bell

No. You should try not being a MIT/BSD nigger cuck. Holla Forums is a GPL board.

Grayson Barnes
Grayson Barnes

Reminder that projects with CoCs are not free as in freedom.

Andrew Garcia
Andrew Garcia

Because tivioization lets them take away the users 4 freedoms without breaking the gpl2.

Easton Parker
Easton Parker

I wonder who could be behind this post.

Wyatt Clark
Wyatt Clark

Please stop making extra Rust threads.

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