Peer to peer models of networking are perfect analogs for communism>Works great...

Grayson Lewis
Grayson Lewis

Peer to peer models of networking are perfect analogs for communism
Works great on paper, everyone equally contributes to the distribution of data

When in reality;
The majority of download traffic almost always comes from a small minority of seeders which creates single points of failure because when that minority of people cannot seed data the majority ultimately lose out and the data ultimately becomes undownloadable.
People never want to seed anyways
How do we solve p2p and other decentralized networks?

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Parker Scott
Parker Scott

How do we solve p2p and other decentralized networks?
Proper upload speeds for end-users, none of that 50Mbit /sec down, 12Kbit / sec up bullshit
Don't send people to prison for 834 years for (((illegally))) uploading a song

Xavier Allen
Xavier Allen

mo money fo dem programs
Great solution!

Luke Watson
Luke Watson

even when Communism is tried in digital form it still fails
LOL

Ethan Perry
Ethan Perry

No more Mr. Nice Goy. Aggressively DDOS the centralized internet, forcing people to use P2P, and causing ISPs to discontinue asymmetric service out of market disinterest.

Thomas Turner
Thomas Turner

Enjoying your GNU/Linux?

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

Private trackers. Let people interested in sharing good stuff gather, and let the pleb have 1 seed for every kike propaganda older than 1 week they want.
I guess that's like those tiny hippy communities.

Xavier Turner
Xavier Turner

Just use the Cloud(TM).

Elijah Powell
Elijah Powell

Yeah, GNU failed, which is why they have to desperately claim the achievements of the Linux community who are pragmatic capitalists funded by the NSA.

Jackson Long
Jackson Long

So you're going to hack google? Or are you going to find an exploit that would allow you to make a botnet out of every machine running Java?

Grayson Parker
Grayson Parker

this is your brain on /pol/
The GNU coreutils, shell, etc, are all still widely used. Hurd failed because of the poor technical choice of modifying the Mach microkernel instead of building a new one from scratch. Because Hurd took too long, Linux happened to come out first. Thus, interest in Hurd dropped. The reasons were technical, not political.
Moreover, the term "software communism" could just as easily apply to any OSS or FOSS.
Here's an example of the anarcho-communist argument against wage labor (capitalism) as an incentive to work:
<Well-being, that is to say, the satisfaction of physical, artistic, and moral needs, has always been the most powerful stimulant to work. And when a hireling produces bare necessities with difficulty, a free worker, who sees ease and luxury increasing for him and for others in proportion to his efforts, spends infinitely far more energy and intelligence, and obtains first-class products in far greater abundance. The one feels riveted to misery, the other hopes for ease and luxury in the future. In this lies the whole secret. Therefore a society aiming at the well-being of all, and at the possibility of all enjoying life in all its manifestations, will supply voluntary work which will be infinitely superior and yield far more than work has produced up till now under the goad of slavery, serfdom, or wagedom.
- Peter Kropotkin, "The Conquest Of Bread"
Much of the book is spent railing against Marxist state "socialism" and any wage systems (markets and soon-to-be USSR), arguing instead that people left to their own devices will self-organize efficiently because they have needs, are social beings, and enjoy fulfilling work. It's not about forced equality, it's about not having forced inequality. As he says, "all is for all". Do what you want.
How does this not describe Linux, originally created as a hobby project?
who are pragmatic capitalists
But where is the wage labor? Hell, where are the markets?
People don't seed because they're afraid of the state coming after them. Some already use Tor as an overlay and/or a VPN, but it's slow. Plus, a lot of people are afraid of using it because it's something for pedos or "l33t haxx0rs", whereas they just want movies for free.
Beside that, have seeding on by default and give a download speed penalty for having a leech:seed ratio within the bottom 5% (or 10%, whatever works) if the system is running into a bottleneck because not enough people are uploading. Unless there's someone running large servers for torrenting things and doing the min-max math (which begs the question of why they want p2p in the first place), no one's going to do the work to maximize their downloads while minimizing uploads. Everyone agrees to the potential slowdown if they all make the most selfish choice in return for the high likelihood that it will promise better overall outcomes for everyone.

Ayden Garcia
Ayden Garcia

Has it completely slipped your mind that RedHat exists, or are you just conveniently ignoring it because it destroys your point?

Ryder Gomez
Ryder Gomez

edonkey/kad solved the problem a long time ago.

Colton Harris
Colton Harris

GNU is wildly successful. GNU is claiming the achievements of the GNU community.

Carson Evans
Carson Evans

There is no problem with using the Mach microkernel, it was matured in 2001. The problem is that writing Hurd is inherently more complex than reimplementing a monolithic kernel.

Nicholas Gonzalez
Nicholas Gonzalez

Of course the system was going to recuperate Linux. You didn't think state and capital would let programmers do their own thing when they weren't bothering anyone, did you?
When RedHat fully phases out GNU stuff from the big distros and removes the GPL on systemd, people are going to develop a successor to GNU because free software is useful (and Devuan, Artix, and Void are all functional already). Otherwise, wouldn't everyone have used Windows in the first place? Why wouldn't people develop new varieties when it's still needed for supercomputers and servers?
We wasted this first iteration of free software. This doesn't mean it's dead for good, though. IPFS and other decentralized hosting tech is catching on. People are more concerned about privacy.
I'm not hopeful atm, but I see potential. RedHat will die like every company does. Free software might not.

Adrian Roberts
Adrian Roberts

I could probably write a bot that could spit out statements more meaningful than any of this. I wouldn't release it under the GPL.

Lucas James
Lucas James

Works great on paper
You are a reactionary. You need only look at Cuba to see the success of the communist school of thought. Nearly everyone is literate, everyone has access to food, one doctor for every 200 people, almost no outbreaks of diseases as a result of mandatory vaccination and a country that, despite fifty years of embargo, is bouncing back. Typical Americuck

Bentley Diaz
Bentley Diaz

commusim works! look at this propaganda video their government created!

Leo Cruz
Leo Cruz

You need only look at Cuba

Jace Jones
Jace Jones

You need only look at Cuba

Liam Ward
Liam Ward

Hey look, a bunch of crazy niggers invaded the town center of a tiny midwestern """""city"""""

Jason Price
Jason Price

wouldn't p2p networks that force you to "seed" be better analogs for communism? Freenet pretty much forces you to use disk space as a distributed data store and upload requests.

Easton Hill
Easton Hill

Because Hurd took too long, Linux happened to come out first. Thus, interest in Hurd dropped. The reasons were technical, not political.
From what I know the linux kernel was already usable to the contrary of hurd people went with what already just worked.
From my souvenirs in the sysadmin world most of them just spit on RMS and didn't give a dam from the technical side/advantages of the hurd.
Plus there was also a lot of waiting from the FSF because mach wasn't under a free license at that time they waited for approximately 4 years or something like that.
Imo the hurd was mostly ruined by sysadmin cucks.

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

The majority of download traffic almost always comes from a small minority of seeders
You're not wrong, but the BitTorrent protocol has been incredibly successfull at triggering hollywood. So it's obviously working. But if you fear your torrent might not be seeded at all times you could always add a webseed. Other protocols like Tox or Syncthing are also deploying "dedicated" server counterparts in their peer-to-peer network (see http://relays.syncthing.net/ and https://nodes.tox.chat/). They're not absolutely necessary for the service to exist, but they certainly help.

Dominic Williams
Dominic Williams

It makes little sense to compare a protocol to an economic system IMO, it's like the retards who say hurr linux is free so it's a commie OS. Sure you can make an analogy but it's so shallow it's useless.
How do we solve p2p and other decentralized networks?
You start by assuming everyone is a selfish asshole. The best implementation I know is BitTyrant (torrent client). It attempts to maximize your download speed by giving more of your upload bandwidth to people who upload more to you. Leechers get scraps, good guys get faster downloads.
Nearly everyone is literate, etc
Same for capitalist countries outside Apefrica. When was the last time you met someone illiterate who wasn't a gypsy, nigger or sandnigger? Or heard of someone starving to death?

Bentley Lewis
Bentley Lewis

You're pretending to be retarded right? Because damn Poes law is a bitch

Easton Clark
Easton Clark

hurr durr
Where were you when niggers became bulletproof?
We're comming bucko

Jason Williams
Jason Williams

here. isn't me.

Isaac Peterson
Isaac Peterson

The biggest thing imo is that this is robots, not humans. It's obvious that communism cannot work with humans anytime soon but there's no problem with enslaving robots. I don't have to seed content on bittorrent, my computer does, at no cost to me whatsoever, I already leave it on and I already pay for my internet service, does the daemon work 24/7 without compensation? Sure, but it's software, it doesn't care about the cost of its "labor"/toil and nobody considers it slavery yet. Try that shit with humans, aint happening.

I think distributed and decentralized technologies are great because they require a lot of work from each individual node instead of 1 giant centralized supernode, however the humans setting up the nodes don't have to do any work so it's not a big deal that work must be done by everyone, really, nobody is doing any work, it's all just robot slaves.

I look forward to our hardware being automated and our software decentralized, robot-communism should be tried.

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

robot slaves
doesn't realize robot is derived from a slavic word for slave?
Are you a lazy user or the laziest of anons?

Levi Hall
Levi Hall

What does being uncultured/illiterate have to do with being lazy? I'm both either way, that's my character, not my point.

Justin Nelson
Justin Nelson

robot is derived from a slavic word for slave
Closer in meaning to worker than slave.

Jace Thomas
Jace Thomas

That's perfectly fine as long as there are enough people willing and able to share. It's also why communism always fails. The ((elites)) leech so much, they eat away the peoples ability and will to share.

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

/pol/index.html

Gabriel Wood
Gabriel Wood

I bet you suck that commie p2p dick like a pro.

failed
torrents dont work guys, stop downloading right now!.

Brayden Rivera
Brayden Rivera

/bog/

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

:(

Jeremiah Wilson
Jeremiah Wilson

The World's End is not a good movie.

Luis Young
Luis Young

what you are describing is a protocol problem. if everyone was forced to seed back what they downloaded this wouldn't happen. that's kinda how communism works. if you give people a choice to share of course they wont share because people are greedy.

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