Why did he get it so good when he was consistently an ungrateful little shit?

Josiah Taylor
Josiah Taylor

Why did he get it so good when he was consistently an ungrateful little shit?

Levi Kelly
Levi Kelly

Because…. uh…. I think someone in the animation department at DC has a hard on for Damien.

Jace Reed
Jace Reed

I wouldn't be surprised if he's a self insert of the writers own persona. Who writes Damien the most anyways?

Blake Cox
Blake Cox

Well Morrison created and handled him the most in the comics, I believe. For the movies, I don't know.

Asher Harris
Asher Harris


Well he got raised by Talia and Ra's

Joshua Green
Joshua Green

Damien's the new kid self insert they want to push, aiming for that edgy twelve year old demo that think they're too cool to act like anything other than an obnoxious little shit. Fangirls also love him because he's a young and mysterious little shithead with a 'dark' past and a brooding attitude.

He's essentially the perfect melting pot of everything that the most cancerous pieces of any fanbase would like, thus, he prints money.

Aiden Ross
Aiden Ross

I thought Dick was the puss magnet. Everyone I run into on the subject either don't know about Damien or hate him.

Logan Nguyen
Logan Nguyen

Well, he's a bit of a misfire. But I've met plenty of fangirls who think he's the hottest shit.

Kevin Peterson
Kevin Peterson

Fangirls in tumblr didn't give a shit about him till this happened.

Jaxson Davis
Jaxson Davis

Would it be incorrect of me to claim virtually every other Robin was a better son to Bruce?

Julian Lee
Julian Lee

Not at all. Even Jason could be considered a better son than Damien.

Cooper Rodriguez
Cooper Rodriguez

that music
They knew exactly what they were doing

Thomas Cox
Thomas Cox

Figuratively, or did they literally want his angry, bitter shota cock?

Lincoln Ward
Lincoln Ward

Considering what we know to be true of the entertainment industry…. both.

Ian Campbell
Ian Campbell

Stephanie Brown not so much

only Robin to get FIRED by Batman

Kevin Moore
Kevin Moore

Wasn't Steph suppose to make Tim's jealous to get him running back to Bruce after he quit being Robin?

Asher Diaz
Asher Diaz

I was on the verge of self-harm through that entire scene.

finally got around to playing injustice
damian kills dick and becomes shitty nightwing
bruce literally beats the everloving shit out of him and says dick was his only son
Man, did I feel fucking good for quite some time.

Woah there, user.
Are you implying that a female character can only be used as a plot device to motivate a male character?
I AM LITERALLY SHAKING AND IN A FRIDGE RIGHT NOW

William Cooper
William Cooper

Are you implying that a female character can only be used as a plot device to motivate a male character?

What else is she suppose to do?

Blake Powell
Blake Powell

You're gonna have a fun time with Injustice 2. Damien apparently comes back and dresses as Robin again. Just with swords this time. You get to kick his ass all over again.

Michael Rogers
Michael Rogers

I didn't have fun with 1, honestly. Just that one scene.
If I get to kill Damien, however, we may be getting somewhere.

Isn't 2 just meant to have the same plot as 1?

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

Lord willing but unlikely.

Pretty much.

Isaiah Wilson
Isaiah Wilson

That was a theory being thrown around. It was a weird era, the plot was constantly mangled

Cameron Jones
Cameron Jones

To many cooks in the kitchen huh?

David Rivera
David Rivera

You shut your fucking mouth before I trace your IP and hire some old hobos from your town to shut it with their dicks.

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

Yeah. You could say that of comics generally nowadays but it's telling that it didn't take them particularly long to retcon away Stephanie Brown's torture murder and Leslie Thompkins being a killer entirely.

Jaxon Edwards
Jaxon Edwards

He's right though. She was a bad son to him. Girls can't be sons.

William Cruz
William Cruz

No she wasn't. Dick Grayson was also fired by Batman. Both Pre and Post-Crisis under different circumstances.

James Johnson
James Johnson

The music killed it for me

Sebastian Smith
Sebastian Smith

I thought Dick quit.

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

Nope. Pre-Crisis when he was spending most his time with the Titans Batman told him 'Either be my sidekick or give my fucking costume, that I made, back so I can give it to someone else' and Post-Crisis after Dick got shot by the Joker Batman told him he couldn't put him in danger any more and straight up fired him.

Jordan Foster
Jordan Foster

Is it weird that in the comics I initially hated him but grew to like him.Hell i think he's actually developed more in the comics than in the cartoons.

Logan Murphy
Logan Murphy

He's Batman's son.
You go and be a billionaire's kid and see how good you get it.

Lucas Edwards
Lucas Edwards

Tell that to the other Robins

James Cooper
James Cooper

all the robins lived terrible lives before batman
they get adopted and thrust into a world of crimefighting, aliens and magic

damian is trained like this form birth and genetically prepared for it before birth on top
gets thrust from a secluded mountain fortress to a cave, but still does the same shit and acts cool about it

Damian is bordering on a Mary-Sue. Every time he has to do something, he does it perfectly/better than Bruce, and every time there's a shred of his personality improving and making him less of a cunt, he goes back to his regular ways.

Luke Garcia
Luke Garcia

And don't forget coming back to life too.

Aiden Morris
Aiden Morris

Why did he get it so good when he was consistently an ungrateful little shit?

Bruce feels guilty that he accidentally negroed the whole father thing.

Leo Barnes
Leo Barnes

New rule: Every even-numbered Robin is shit.

Robert Lopez
Robert Lopez

Messed up my last post.

You've fucked up this logic, my man. Let me recount the Robins in order so you can think up a new rule:
Dick, Jason, Tim, Steph, Damian.
Only the 2nd and 5th Robin's were truly bad, and Steph was just boring.
Official tiering is Dick > Tim > Steph > Jason > Bat-mite >>>> Damian.

Levi Jenkins
Levi Jenkins

Damian was raised by the League of Assassins, I think the whole deal is that he's the kind of kid who's been raised from birth as a ninja crime fighter and is an extremely competent Robin, but hilariously terrible at everything else, including basic social graces, and he's still basically a child.

Come to think of it, probably just as well the Ninja Turtles came in a clutch of four, otherwise they'd probably be about as bad.

Mason Garcia
Mason Garcia

Wait Bat Mite was a Robin? Does Carry Kelly not count because she was from an else world's story?

Funny with the turtles. They started out as edgy and brutal but became kid friendly over time.

Liam Gomez
Liam Gomez

The problem is they don't focus on him being a shitty human being, it's just he's the greatest Robin ever, oh and sometimes he's snarky and rude to idiots.

Chronologically, Carry was in the future, and anyways, Elseworlds don't really count, else Helena Wayne would be the… 3rd Robin, I think.

I included Bat-mine just to demonstrate my uncontrollable hatred towards Damian. He does pretend to be Robin in a few issues, or just fuck around and "help" Batman.

His miniseries after Convergence had a bit of that, but then it became a Hawkman story for some reason.

Blake Walker
Blake Walker

The turtles started out as a deliberately ridiculous concept played deadly serious to further the absurdity, but they realised it was actually a pretty fun idea.

Apparently in the original comics the turtles were all about the same and later started developing differently; the 80s cartoon gave them all highly contrasting character traits, and that turned out to work really well for an ensemble cast. In a way, they basically took over from the Fantastic Four in being an iconic quartet.

Cameron Adams
Cameron Adams

What about Bruce as pre-crisis Robin when he was a kid?

Xavier Ortiz
Xavier Ortiz

Ignored.
Trash idea with even worse execution.

He should always start as Batman and bring in the Robins to make sure someone is there for when he dies/gets stranded with cavemen and pirates the next time.

If I had the panel, I'd post it, but it was the one where Bruce explains to Damian why he chose all the previous Robins. Damian is left out of the list, unsurprisingly, as he's shit.

Luke Kelly
Luke Kelly

Was Alfred Batman? That's the only way I can see Bruce starting as Robin ever working. Alfred fails to save Bruce's parents and then gives up the cowl to raise him. It could be used to explain the early Batcave and further show that Alfred also failed to properly raise Bruce, which is why Bruce ended up so moody in comparison to Alfred who could be given the Silver Age Batman's personality.

Isaac Gomez
Isaac Gomez

The 80s cartoon amplified their traits, but they were starting to be fairly distinct as of a few issues in.
Raph got pissed off and tangled wth Casey Jones, etc

Fun facts
Michelangelo was the first turtle t be conceived of, when one of the creators drew a realistic turtle and drew a nunchuk next to him
The Shredder was conceived when one of the creators was doing the dishes and stuck a cheese grater on his arm
No, I don't recall whether it was Eastman or Laird in either scenario
Source: Interviews in the comic compendiums

Jaxon Evans
Jaxon Evans

It's no secret that DC writers have a hard on for Batman and his clan, why do you think they are all such Mary-Sue's? They even had Alfred single-handily make Superman his bitch without even trying, it's all total just mental masturbation.

Robert Thomas
Robert Thomas

Nah, pre-crisis, Bruce invented the Robin identity to bug an old cop for training. So Robin predates Batman, technically.

Brandon Long
Brandon Long

Stephanie Brown

Steph best Batgirl hands down. Fuck the reboot.

Chase Phillips
Chase Phillips

Pre-52 Tim triumphs over Dick. He's the only Robin who's managed to beat Batman at his own game.

Jason Lewis
Jason Lewis

Which is funny with the fact they can't pin down a good team or writers to make a good Batman comic or movie adaptation anymore. Even though he's easily the simplest character to get right. Yet somehow they can't do it. They'll still push him no matter what though.

Michael Baker
Michael Baker

Cassey was better.

Ryder Roberts
Ryder Roberts

Thing is, he could work as a good character. I've been playing MGSV lately and Eli/Liquid to me is the perfect way to do Damian. My problem is they made him part of the Bat-Family. By all rights he should hate his father and his father in turn should have difficulty recognising him as a son.

Matthew Brooks
Matthew Brooks

So only Injustice gets it right?

Xavier Clark
Xavier Clark

Never played it but if that's what they did, then yes

Camden Robinson
Camden Robinson

stephanie
best anything
Not even best Spoiler tbh.

implying dick hasn't defeated batman in both wits and brawn countless times

Haven't read the comic, but in the game's 20 second cutscene, Damian killed Dick for some reason and became Nightwing, then hated Bruce. Bruce disowns him and beats him up.

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

Michaelangelo started as drawing Bruce Lee as the most absurd animal Bruce Lee could be, apparently. Which might explain the orange colour scheme.

It's because everyone and their dog wants to write Batman, talented writers want to stand out and do something different that has something new to say.

In the comic, Dick literally trips and breaks his neck.

Andrew Allen
Andrew Allen

Given Bruce's whole issues and Damian being raised by the League of Assassins, who desperately want daddy Bats to be their new leader, I can imagine a lot of awkwardness; I don't think Batman would want to reject him, given his own issues with lacking parents, but probably be super awkward trying to bond with a son he doesn't really know, and Damian… probably likewise, and likely disappointed his father doesn't live up to the hype.

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

The way I see it, there's no way that Damian could be a hero. They've got him as Robin, maybe if he were an evil Robin who led a band of the League of Assassin across Middle Eastern warzones it could work. But as regular Robin? It's just stupid. They shafted Tim Drake for nothing.

Isaiah Wright
Isaiah Wright

Tim has unfortunately gotten the shit end of the stick for years now. Even though he's the best and most likely candidate to actually replace Batman. Which will never happen or be permanent anyway. Not point worrying about that stuff with the big two anyway.

Blake Edwards
Blake Edwards

There's something to be said for gradually trying to rehabilitate a child soldier into a more healthy output. Though didn't they already do that with Cassandra Cain?

Colton Bell
Colton Bell

Tim Drake is a shit Robin. He literally exists as a self-insert Peter-Parker-esque audience surrogate, and pretty much the entire reason why Dick Grayson was flanderized into a pretty boy acrobat who is constantly shitting on Bruce for being "a crappy father", instead of a well-rounded character who is actually grateful to Bruce for giving him a better life and looks up to him like a second father. Granted, New Teen Titans is where that cancer first started, but Tim Drake's creation rode it to completion.

Even Jason Todd has more story potential as a Punisher-esque anti-hero with lots of edge than Tim does, it's just that writers insist on dragging in the themes from Under The Red Hood over and over again.

Jonathan Young
Jonathan Young

most likely candidate to replace Batman

He's a close second, but Dick Grayson is the favored second Batman. Hell, he WAS Batman for a time.

Xavier Young
Xavier Young

Yes, but in terms of character only Tim comes anywhere close to being as good a detective as Batman. He also should, in theory, be better trained than Nightwing

Angel Lewis
Angel Lewis

Tim's the better detective, but Dick is the better leader and is more connected in the various groups and teams.

Tyler James
Tyler James

Batman's supposed to be a loner

Levi Smith
Levi Smith

He's been far from it for decades.

Dominic White
Dominic White

Untrue. He's still basically a loner. Plus there was that era after the Burton movie came out where pretty much everything with Batman in it was a solo story.

Anthony Ross
Anthony Ross

He's still basically a loner

Nah son. 2 Justice League teams, the Trinity, his team with Batwoman, Robin, etc. Dude's far from a loner. Writers are just retarded and keep treating him like one.

Aiden Miller
Aiden Miller

2 Justice League teams
He's not always on them. Blame the way comics work nowadays for that one
the Trinity
One off book and he doesn't always work with Superman or Wonder Woman. He doesn't generally 'hang out' with them either
his team with Batwoman, Robin, etc
The Batman family is rather small, five people at most on the 'official' team and again, he doesn't always work with them.
Batman being on teams occasionally does not make him not a loner in terms of character.

Cameron Kelly
Cameron Kelly

Damian's problem is that he's a combination of the worst aspects of Cass Cain, Jason Todd, and Bruce himself. Even with good writing and character development, being the bastard son of Batman and the daughter of one of his villains puts him in the uncomfortable position of conceptually shitting on every other Bat-ally. Who cares about what they bring to the table when Batman has his own Mini-Me?

Jackson Wood
Jackson Wood

This. It was a dumb idea to give Batman a proper son.

Caleb Wilson
Caleb Wilson

Batman has been socialised too much to be called a loner. You can say he's a loner because he doesn't go out for drinks with everyone, but he has like 8 Bat-Family members in Gotham/Bludhaven, plus the JL, plus the Outsiders, plus his shitty mentoring thing whenever he sees a child unaccompanied by adults, plus the Justice League, plus the JLA, and he gets thrown into random teams for various events as well.

The fact they kept pushing him into everything meant they got rid of his loner aspects long ago.

own Mini-me
Bat-mite as proper Robin when?

Caleb Phillips
Caleb Phillips

You can say he's a loner because he doesn't go out for drinks with everyone
That is a loner. Being surrounded by people doesn't automatically mean you don't like to be alone.

Nolan Anderson
Nolan Anderson

adopts children into his little kink-fetish gang
plays nice with others
Sounds fine to me.

Aiden Gray
Aiden Gray

In theory better trained than Nightwing

Well in theory, Damian is better trained than all of them. None of them, including Batman, trained to the levels that he was from birth. And yet…

M8, a recent book had him coming to the Green Lanterns for assistance in regards to Sinestro Corps rings. In Gotham, mind you. So, he's not a loner. He's just cold, calculating, and manipulative.

See I disagree, because with Damian they can easily set up another "Battle for the Cowl" if Bruce unexpectedly kicks the bucket. He'll do anything to eventually become Batman, even if that means trying to kill whichever Robin takes the Mantle upon themselves.

Andrew Moore
Andrew Moore

Plus Batman Inc/Batmen of many nations.

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