"X-23 is Wolverine and you nerds gotta deal with it?"

Josiah Rodriguez
Josiah Rodriguez

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Marvel has a long way to go to unfuck themselves.

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Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

They are so deep down the fuck hole that they will never be able to unfuck themselves.

Kayden Bell
Kayden Bell

“Wolverine, obviously.” “Oh cool!,” I gush. “Yeah, Laura Kinney is so complex and layered –” “What? Huh? Who?” “Laura! Wolverine…” I trail off. “You meant Logan, right?” “Of course.” He grunts defensively. “Who is Laura?”
“X-23. She’s the new Wolverine.”
“That’s stupid.”
Shit that never happened: The Article

X-23 isn't a complex and layered character. Her introduction as the "new Wolverine" comes out of fucking nowhere, anyways. As a character she never liked Logan and never wanted anything to do with superhero bullshit. Slapping the ol' yellow spandex on her is just as transparent an attempt to court the tumblr audience as it was when they made Thor a woman.

David Davis
David Davis

They can fuck off, X-23 isn't even X-23, much less Wolverine.

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

This is their new virtue signal, isn't it? Anytime anyone anywhere mentions Wolverine, and means Wolverine, they can pretend to be confused and cry their little SJW eyes out over it.

Nathaniel James
Nathaniel James

Its been this for awhile.

Tyler Miller
Tyler Miller

That article 100% angry vagina clickbait. It's not worth discussing.

Got to synergize with the cosplay. That shit is free advertisement.

I couldn't find much cosplay of FemThor though. Maybe it's because the costume looks like shit.

Parker Walker
Parker Walker

Still bugs me how badly they used Spider-gwen

Joshua Brown
Joshua Brown

and though she’s basically physically indestructible, she’s increasingly emotionally open

Justin Barnes
Justin Barnes

Friendly reminder even Daken Dark wolverine was a far better written character than X-23. And that is just pathetic. Daken has no character trait beyond he hates his dad and being Pansexual.

Ethan Jones
Ethan Jones

I don't see why any character would want to take up the mantle of Wolverine. What part of Wolverine's legacy would another character be so desperate to keep alive?

Brayden Bailey
Brayden Bailey

"she’s smart, tough, resourceful, funny"

Since when those are X-23 personality traits? Isn't her whole character based around her not being able to function in society due to lack of social skills? That description seems like just your average snarky millenial girl who makes pop culture references and complains about manspreading… like Hellcat, Squirrel Girl, the new wasp.

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

and being Pansexual.

Bisexual.

Asher Foster
Asher Foster

And the Champions! And basically any female and male hero from today's Marvel.

Bentley Wright
Bentley Wright

I couldn't find much cosplay of FemThor though. Maybe it's because the costume looks like shit.
Something I noticed is that you can include porn as well, just like Battleborn's Rule 34.
Whor is such a shit character in general its impossible to find decent porn of her. Spider-Gwen on the other hand has plenty of that, despite being a stronk independent womyn, ever since Frank Cho ruined the character for SJWs.

Ian Long
Ian Long

And yet, it seems to be a recurring situation that I encounter men who are defensive and angry that their favorite macho, masculine character has passed his mantle to a girl.
There are multiple layers of "shit that never happened" in this.

Jose Lewis
Jose Lewis

The author knows its not going to remain like this forever right? Comic books gladly change characters genders like they change their socks.

Nathan Ortiz
Nathan Ortiz

that second image
Did someone just take bruce timm's supergirl and put spidergwen's costume on her?

Liam Turner
Liam Turner

The more i look at it, yeah.

Brody Evans
Brody Evans

Bisexual.
A faggot.

Alexander Powell
Alexander Powell

Kinda

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

hmph. the concept of "toxic masculinity" again.

Women only like the concept of toxic masculinity until men actually start sharing their feelings, and tell them that they don't want women to radically upturn all their favorite and childhood icons.

They only like your feelings if they are feelings they like and approve of.

Easton Johnson
Easton Johnson

pansexual

Sebastian Nguyen
Sebastian Nguyen

Jesus

Daniel Parker
Daniel Parker

By doing this they ruin two characters at once
They're stepping up their game

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

More like going back to what works.

Ayden Walker
Ayden Walker

Has anyone seen 'Logan' and is it SJW?

Ryan Reed
Ryan Reed

implying (((Marvel))) has any intention of ever unfucking themselves
They have box offices to hit, goy.

Jeremiah Diaz
Jeremiah Diaz

Has anyone seen 'Logan'
Nigger, A: it doesn't come out for the next couple days and B: quit asking us whether if object C is object D, seriously its like all you care about.

Hudson Gray
Hudson Gray

So was there any reason she only has 2 blades per hand instead of 3?

Laura has many of the same qualities, so if you really miss your grumpy loner with a heart of gold, look no further!
Then why fucking change it? She bitches about toxic masculinity, but suddenly its okay if a woman exhibits the same behavior? I wish they'd stop making up contradictory bullshit to hide the fact that they're mental children who couldn't get past the "boys are icky" phase.

Nolan Green
Nolan Green

I don't quite remember.

Benjamin Baker
Benjamin Baker

I thought it was because three blades would look awkward on her significantly skinnier arms.

Landon Cruz
Landon Cruz

Barbara Holm should be sent to a Muslim rape camp.

Michael Gray
Michael Gray

Something to do with that particular bone claw mutation is effected by the lack of a Y chromosome that then causes the "middle claw" to come out of her foot instead.

Also means she kicks more (because in comics all shapely woman kick in combat right?) and can do stuff like climb up vertical walls with all four limbs blades extended.

Jaxon Sullivan
Jaxon Sullivan

Notice that these people would throw a bitchfit if you ever complained about 'Toxic Femininity'

Christian Evans
Christian Evans

Looks that way

Adam Thompson
Adam Thompson

Actually, I know I'm going to get flak for saying this but Whor's costume is probably the best thing about her

Ayden Carter
Ayden Carter

It's the Whedon influence + Marvel can only write one character

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

Almost a carbon copy.

Jordan Foster
Jordan Foster

Why couldn't Wolvie's movie sidekick be a hot 80's retro jap Jubilee?

Brayden Collins
Brayden Collins

I already miss the old X-23.

Adam Powell
Adam Powell

X-23 used to actually be a really strong female character
Damaged childhood, stand-offish, steely and cold, but slowly developing into a better person over the course of her story
Has actual interesting relationships with Logan and the rest of the X-men
A personality not typically seen for female characters
A fuckin' badass who snikt's and bubs all over the place

But not anymore, feminists, in their endless bid to make everything 'diverse' by ensuring that everything's the same, has turned her into yet another 'lolsoquirkyXD!!!11!' meme-spouting cunt, with a legacy title that she doesn't need or deserve, effectively ensuring that she's indecipherable from ninety percent of Marvel's new female cast of characters.

Good job feminists! Another win for womyn!

Juan Hall
Juan Hall

It's a pretty low bar for there to be a "best" for. Her costume is not complete shit, so her characteristics and dialogue make it appealing by comparison.

It was nice to have an autistic female character that I could identify with, but the oppressive Marvel shitlords appropriated her into something more mainstream.

Daniel Foster
Daniel Foster

must be nice to be a contractor in new york with all that structural damage she causes.

hell every super hero causes.

James Garcia
James Garcia

Did we ever storytime Damage Control?

IIRC, there was something about Logan/Daken/X-23/Sabretooth mutants being like a sub-group, and the males are supposed to fight offensively and hunt, and the females have foot blades to fight defensively, like a cat. Or something.

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

Logan/Daken/X-23/Sabretooth mutants being like a sub-group
I remember one storyline where it turns out Wolverine is descended from a subgroup of mutants that evolved from wolves and he has to fight the progenitor of this group who's name is lupus or something. Essentially Lupus is the progenitor of wolves that evolved into human like people and looks like Wolverine but much bigger and wears a massive coat.

Jayden Diaz
Jayden Diaz

Somewhere a marvel exec is sweating at these dumb hipster who failed to bring in money are pushing old customers away.

Justin Murphy
Justin Murphy

It's either the greatest job in the world or the worst job in the world.

Great: You're never short of work, there's always money to be made.

Worst: Your hard work is as lasting as a stick-on tattoo.

David Jackson
David Jackson

Kind of like working for Marvel, except without the money.

Camden Ross
Camden Ross

First they changed Wolverine from being short
And I did not speak out because I was not short.

Then they changed Wolverine from the side role
And I did not speak out because I do not like side roles.

Then they changed Wolverine from a cuck.
And I did not speak out because I do not like cucks.

Then they changed Wolverine into a woman and there were no fans left to speak out for him.

Liam Smith
Liam Smith

changed Wolverine into a woman
It wasn't the first time but the intentions behind it now are just bad.

Asher Ortiz
Asher Ortiz

Who remembers Wolverina?

Nathaniel Reed
Nathaniel Reed

holy cringe

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

First they changed Wolverine from being short

Impliying

He was always short, user.

Eli Smith
Eli Smith

They've flip-flopped on his height. A) because Jackman's over six foot and B) because they clearly weren't comfortable with the idea of one of their biggest heroes being a '5'3 manlet.

Adrian Rodriguez
Adrian Rodriguez

tfw no autistic homicidal loli

Andrew Bell
Andrew Bell

Wasn't there a scene where the "new" Wolverine talks to Cap aboiut not wanting to be labled Wolverine becasue she's not him?

Connor Price
Connor Price

He was always supposed to be a angry hairy person

Dominic Green
Dominic Green

I never said they made him hairless. I said they flip-flopped on his height

Blake Phillips
Blake Phillips

Eh, blame the artists.

Thomas Walker
Thomas Walker

Apparently the shitposters in the thread.

Jaxon Barnes
Jaxon Barnes

it seems to be a recurring situation that I encounter men who are defensive and angry that their favorite macho, masculine character has passed his mantle to a girl.

At this point when someone tells me a girl or a minority is taking up a previous hero's mantle all I can do is shrug and say "Again, huh?". Honestly, anyone who cares that much about the issue should have stopped reading marvel after about the fifth time they did this.

Lucas Foster
Lucas Foster

After that they'll target the other medians too.

Jack Butler
Jack Butler

So I google the author of this shit and get exactly what I expect.

problem glasses
portland
"""comedian"""
has a webcomic
and a patreon
this is her first article

This is shit tier bait, but I hope she gets ovarian cancer all the same.

Aaron Nelson
Aaron Nelson

I'd fuck her.

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

tumblr
fuck off

Alexander Lee
Alexander Lee

Seek help

Dominic Howard
Dominic Howard

you'd be surprised. I was out with some friends at a book store the other day and one of them saw the cover for Civil War 2 and asked me who the guy fighting Iron Man was. I said it was a she and her name was Captain Marvel. She looked at the cover and goes "that's a girl?" I said yes, and she instantly went "that's dumb". People recognize stupid stuff when they hear or see it and sometimes they can't bottle up how they feel… and Marvel has no shortage of stupid, especially with the worst parts of Tumblr basically writing for them.

I mean, think about explaining anything going on in the MU at the moment and I bet you it wouldn't be hard to imagine the person you are explaining it to saying something negative about the current state of everything. This chick just got triggered because somebody called something she liked what it was, and she can't accept the fact that people aren't willing to just accept what's new.

Jaxson Rivera
Jaxson Rivera

For a minute I thought she had braces.

Angel Foster
Angel Foster

If she doesn't she certainly needs them

Andrew Allen
Andrew Allen

her

Jayden Parker
Jayden Parker

just deal wiv it
sounds familiar

Christopher Campbell
Christopher Campbell

With a knife?

Jack Robinson
Jack Robinson

Marvel has a long way to go to before they unfuck themselves
Specifically, Judgement Day (the /christian/ kind or the Terminator kind) or perhaps the heat death/collapse/brane-failure/vacuum-decay-erasure of the universe (whatever comes first).

Elijah Edwards
Elijah Edwards

Beautiful user. Thank you or posting that.

Chase Jackson
Chase Jackson

Moment you know the story never happened:

I was on a date with a guy

Ian Nguyen
Ian Nguyen

Who fucking wrote this shit, a 12 year old?

I've seen it, its not SJW.
Its a road trip starring Xavier who's gone senile, old Wolverine whos healing factor has gone to shit and X-23 which is mute for the majority of the movie.

Dude, Spider Gwen is a shitty character, the favoritism come from the attitude of the comic (which is somewhat punkish and has a lot of use of color) and the fact that people love the costume, not the character.

Jordan Hall
Jordan Hall

Anyone got those two pics comparing her older self with her Whedonized self?

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

From the comments:

Great article. I totally agree with you. Changes like X-23 are nice. Since they stay changed. Because storylines like Superior Spider Man where the old character came back sucks…

Isaac Reyes
Isaac Reyes

Didn't nu Lobo end up going crazy and started acting and looking like classic Lobo?

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

mfw the whole fanfic of Slott still having "fans".

So funny, Holla Forums.

Luke Evans
Luke Evans

SpOck might have worked better as an alternate universe story… I mean, at least then we wouldn't have known Peter would be back at some point.

Parker Hall
Parker Hall

You think they've realized that they don't have an endgame planned?
Assert that representation matters more than content or quality
Insist that all popular and current characters be representative of a narrow minority of english speaking potential customers in a certain age range
This means specifically making every black and gay
…Even though blacks only account for less than 15% of the total population and gays even less, and the general socio-economic makeup of those groups are not typically comic buyers anyways.
Cut than in half again because they want every character to be black, gay, and female
Insist this is a good thing, because these groups are finally get representation, which somehow means everyone who is black, gay, or female should start buying comics
except they don't, because the reason they didn't buy comics in the first place because they didn't like comics, not because enough of the characters weren't like them in some superficial way.
Whatever.
Now straight whites males are underrepresented in currently published comics
"hey, what about us?"
"lol go away fuccboi you've have 7 decades of straight white male heroes! It's our turn now!"
straight white men stop buying comics, mostly because they're all shit and all the characters are obnoxious and unlikable.
No one wants to buy America Chavez or Lady Thor or X-23 Wolverine merch.
No one wants to see Marvel movies without the characters they like in them
Comics die
SJW idiots blame it on the dudebros.

Blake Taylor
Blake Taylor

Since they stay changed
Any bets on how long until X-23 reverts to her original version as an autistic feral child, seeing as that's the version in the movie and thus the version that everyone knows?

Jordan Mitchell
Jordan Mitchell

I'd bet more money on them giving her little clone sister the limelight now because she's basically little girl X-23. Though really this sort of logic only works for the MCU movies. Marvel doesn't give a shit what Fox does so they don't promote them with the comics reflecting the movies.

Nathan Walker
Nathan Walker

They'll revert her eventually, especially if Logan turns out to be a big hit.

Juan Gomez
Juan Gomez

Doubtful. They pushed Deadpool more after his movie but they didn't make him like the movie version.

Easton Taylor
Easton Taylor

Would be real easy to justify it too. Just blow her up real hard so that shes forced to regenerate as a younger feral version because the damage was just that extensive.

Joshua Diaz
Joshua Diaz

Makes no sense but it's not like that's stopped them before.

Jonathan Hernandez
Jonathan Hernandez

/pol/ please go and stay go.

Brody Long
Brody Long

The movie version wasn't much different to the comics version.
With X-23, firstly people, who've only seen the film, aren't going to know that the all-new, all-female Wolverine is X-23, and therefore won't buy it on that basis. Secondly, if they do buy it they're not going to keep buying it if they got interested in X-23 as a borderline autistic feral child and get a Joss Whedon-esque Ms Quips-a-lot instead

Zachary Long
Zachary Long

It'd be funny to see the reaction of someone who saw the movie and wants to read modern x-23 only to learn she's now a Whedon quipping hipster chick.

Dominic Gomez
Dominic Gomez

It's a much, much more narrow demographic than that. Let's look at the numbers.

Blacks are 10% of the population
Homosexuals (including gay, lesbian, transgender, etc) are only 3-4% of the population.
Gay men and lesbians hate eachother, so we're talking about half being alienated either way.
Trannies account for (seriously) 0.003% of the population.

Now you could say this is meant to appeal exclusively to women in general, because it's true women like gay shit, but a very specific idealized version of gay. This doesn't appeal to women in general, it appeals to feminists. What percentage of women identify as feminist?
14%
Now of that 14%, how many are the sort that don't really care or know anything about feminism? How many are like Christina Hoff Sommers? How many are sex positive?

Basically their entire perspective is based on the belief that tumblr's claims of 300 million unique monthly visits is true, and it was revealed after yahoo bought them it's not even a tenth of that, and on top of that what percentage of their viewership is just porn?

On top of all that, there's another very important difference between the male and female demographics, if a guy likes something in youth odds are he'll still be into it in adulthood. Guys don't stop liking X-Men or Ninja Turtles or whatever, even if they're not active about it they still find it cool, they're likely to buy something related to it marketed to their age group.

Girls go through phases about all their media. The music they listen to, the books they read, even the youtube channels they watch. The people who for example hate Onision most are girls who used to obsessively watch him when they were younger.

SJWs can never be happy with any media that makes concessions for them, it's never enough and they will always demand more. The second you do anything for another demographic they'll boycott. We saw this with Batgirl despite her de-sexed redesign and the writers calling her a social justice warrior, they still threw a fit about the Killing Joke cover. The feminists who *claimed* to buy Fem-Thor were quick to boycott the second Thor got another hammer. SJWs liked black female Iron Man until another artist drew her exactly as her original design looked, and suddenly she was "over-sexualized".

So basically, progressives were hired to try to save money on writers, and subsequently they insisted the market cater entirely to a demographic that pretty much only exists in fractions while actively attacking everyone else, which is only praised by people who don't really purchase the material, who see being catered to at all only as a sign of weakness and reason to demand more while still not actually buying the product, and who even if they were buying the product will never be loyal consumers and will eventually "grow out of" their desire for that product.

Asher Reyes
Asher Reyes

not fully grown
encased in adamantium

Seems legit.

Colton Jones
Colton Jones

Because storylines like Superior Spider Man where the old character came back sucks…

I'm still pissed that they didn't give Ock a proper clone body instead of making him fat, again. I wanted to see him becoming a hero to make Anna-Maria proud of him. Instead he just came back as a cunt who hadn't really learned a damned thing.

And now there's THIS fucking shit. Are hoods to the 10s what trenchcoats and pouches were to the 90s?

Jaxon Bailey
Jaxon Bailey

Ben Reilly always wore his hoodie, though.

Michael Moore
Michael Moore

I thought Ben was the villain in the last story arc though?! Why is he a hero now?! The hacks at Marvel strike again.

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

Also his suit is a 2099 ripoff and his hood makes no sense. Look at it. His neck is even drawn in front of the hood there. It's like the hood was sown right at the top of his back or something.

Aiden Rivera
Aiden Rivera

Slott pls, your whole "spock" fanfic was bullshit.

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

My god, he sewed a mullet into his costume

Jason Clark
Jason Clark

That's one of the things that always fascinates me when you really dig into it. You keep breaking down these groups and you realize that there's pretty much no audience for this shit except pompous hipster bloggers who care more about the color of a character's skin than the content or quality of the book they're in.

Brayden Carter
Brayden Carter

Yeah, you're right. There's one more factor I forgot to mention, even among the already miniscule numbers, very few actually give a shit about identity politics. It seems obvious to us, but progressives did a ton of studies years ago they completely buried because they prove every single one of their assertions wrong. One example is a study titled something like "He could be a bunny rabbit for all I care." They interviewed various minorities and in particular transgender people, anyone who checked as many boxes as they possibly could, and when asked if representation mattered to them, virtually every person said no.

Carter Gutierrez
Carter Gutierrez

Form the perspective of a modern Tumblrina trans-otherkin-pseudomastadon-whatever, anything that normalizes them makes them less of a special snowflake. If people stopped oppressing them, then they wouldn't be special anymore. If they are represented in pretty much all forms of media, then they wouldn't be special anymore. And there's nothing they hate more than that. They LOVE the oppression attention they face for being so special.

Matthew Watson
Matthew Watson

Why is he a hero now?!
The solicits suggest he's still crazy, just more of an anti-hero now. But those should never be taken at face value. At least Peter David is writing and Kaine is going to appear in it

Andrew Cooper
Andrew Cooper

Ben Reilly always wore his hoodie, though.

I knew he wore a sweatshirt, but I don't remember him keeping the hood up. But let's be real for a minute… this is because of Spider-Gwen.

Slott pls, your whole "spock" fanfic was bullshit.

mfw
You know damned well me and the other user (well, me, anyway) aren't slot. I just preferred Octopus to Peter. Not going to lie, I was horrified at first, but then I realized Peter was a complete fag crippled by guilt and lacking in any kind of delegation or forethought. In his own way, he's as egomaniacal as Otto because Peter seems to think only he can do it all, and he really can't.

My hope was always that Ock would find himself in a cloned body without all the flab and with his tentacles in a redemption series. I loved the original Thunderbolts and would have liked to see something with him and Anna-Maria doing pretty much what they've had Peter doing lately (and doing a shit job of it).

Caleb Kelly
Caleb Kelly

I'm totally not Slott…
But I just kinda realized Peter is a fag
And the fat sociopath scientist was way cooler
It's not that it was self-insert wish fulfillment that the fat loser gets to take over the handsome muscular guy's life…
I just wished that in the end my self-insert would wake up in a muscular clone body while maintaining his powers and not have to actually do any work to improve his physical condition.

Sebastian Lopez
Sebastian Lopez

And here's the cherry on top: Suppose you've got a small collective of quad-racial, trans, non-binary, otherkin, queer, polyamorous comic readers who will actually buy books and may be interested in reading a comic about a superheroine that's "like them"… And then they pick up, say, Hellcat, or the new She-Hulk book, or "America"…

Now imagine you're one of these people and you want to read books about interesting characters going on heroic adventures and saving the world… and instead, what do you get? You get She-Hulk sulking and doing mundane shit. You get characters you know re-imagined as hipsters who spend all their time in coffee shops gossiping about dumb shit. You get books where a superhero with cosmic-tier powers decides "I'm going back to college!" instead of saving the universe.

I can't imagine a more insulting slap to the face than being indirectly told by some obese degenerate that the kind of entertainment that fits my assorted list of labels is bland soap opera mundane hipster shit.

Ian Phillips
Ian Phillips

How do you give someone who isn't fully grown an adamantium skeleton? Does it actually grow with them? Also wasn't their dumb thing in that Logan movie that eventually he stopped healing because the adamantium was poisoning him? How is that supposed to work out for the little kid?

Benjamin Price
Benjamin Price

Marvel have backtracked on the new Scarlet Spider costume. By the end of the first arc, he'll be wearing his old 90's duds again.

Henry Hernandez
Henry Hernandez

This is barely any better.

Nicholas James
Nicholas James

Is Bagley actually drawing the book?

Luis Harris
Luis Harris

Yes.

Christopher Ross
Christopher Ross

I don't think they've ever actually explored it. But Wolverine's supposed to be like 5'3' himself, so I wouldn't be surprised if the girl just stopped growing.

Hudson Evans
Hudson Evans

Well then, it's a worth a pirate in the very least

Xavier Davis
Xavier Davis

Whedon didn't write nuX-23 IIRC

Matthew Powell
Matthew Powell

Have they given her a full metal skeleton in Logan or something? In the comics only her claws were adamantium; they made it a point that she had to remove her claws and then surgically re-insert them whenever she lost an arm.

Adrian Rogers
Adrian Rogers

Nice

Xavier Baker
Xavier Baker

No, but that's not what user meant. There's plenty of hack authors that write every female character as a Whedon knock off. They usually exhibit traits including, but not limited to:
overly quippy
sarcasm in place of actual jokes
tough but still "girly"
lots of pop culture references
usually talk down to men

nuX-23, Batgirl, Mockingbird, Kate Bishop, and Carol Danvers under Kelly Sue all fit the bill. There's more I haven't read that I'm sure qualify.

Note: If you add in some kind of laziness, uselessness, or slobbishness you get "so relatable"/quirky tumblr tier characters like Leth's Hellcat.

Ryder Phillips
Ryder Phillips

stay mad, Slott

Sebastian Cooper
Sebastian Cooper

he thinks Marvel can unfuck itself

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