Lore and Drama

Ryder Smith
Ryder Smith

Either:

Wacky show gets forced drama and lore shoved into it

Or:

show pretends to have a Lore and overaching conflict while blundering around focusing on whatever until they pretend they're actually going to take their lore seriously

What pushes this?

Jackson Anderson
Jackson Anderson

Neither.
I don't think R&M had a lore, is just a backstory, the series style really fucks the drama though, is like they don't wanna spoonfeed but they end up going to the opposite extreme and nothing really gets mentioned and is lacklusting when revealed due to lack of hype from the series.

SU clearly wanted to create a plot with lore and drama but fails miserably because authors want to shove their morals on the filler episodes and the lack of proper use of the main characters makes them loose grips of their personalities.

Jaxson Garcia
Jaxson Garcia

I really hate the term "lore" and everything it represents.

Logan Davis
Logan Davis

Lore has always been there since series started having a world, as early as Star Trek Animated Series and He-Man, is just how you reveal it.
Especially avoid "Reveals" unless unavoidable, try to make the new discoveries as natural as possible so people get acostumed to the world history and rules instead of gushing over a dramatic scene.

Ayden Wood
Ayden Wood

"Lore" is something TVTropes regulars jerk off to and compile into autismal wikis, and try to elevate it to something more profound than it actually is.

Wyatt Gray
Wyatt Gray

I guess you got a point, if you think the backstory of your world is that fucking interesting why not to just make the show about it.
That doesn't change the fact that lore or world backstory has been since forever.

Wyatt Gutierrez
Wyatt Gutierrez

I'm not talking about backstory or worldbuilding. I'm talking about "lore."

Connor Clark
Connor Clark

How you differentiate from each other?
As far as I know any kind of backstory can turn into lore if people are autistic enough to categorize it like it.

Nolan Hill
Nolan Hill

Rick and Morty has no world building lore. Just backstory for Rick.

Jayden Sullivan
Jayden Sullivan

It's the autismal obsessive behavior and treating "lore" as if it were the same thing as a story.

Blake Fisher
Blake Fisher

You mean like waiting for the lore to reveal something that makes the plot move foward instead of the plot itself moving foward by its own events and even once in a while the backstory making an appearance?

David Brooks
David Brooks

I mean using the term to begin with and giving it undue importance, reading too much into it, treating it as a substitute for a story, treating it as an end in itself.

I just decided to google steven universe lore:
So, a while back I read an interview with Rebecca where she indicated that she tried to put at least a little bit of lore into every episode.
Gem Heist Provides Some Sweet Steven Universe Lore
Steven Universe’s complex lore helps to distinguish it from “your standard “monster of the week” cartoon to something that’s actually telling an interesting, deep meta-story.
I look forward to the show revealing more Gem lore to us in the future
fans love theorising about the show's mostly-hidden "lore"

Cooper Bennett
Cooper Bennett

What category does Star Vs the Forces of Evil go under?

Get in line pal

Nicholas Anderson
Nicholas Anderson

A really straightfoward one, besides what's need to be revealed for the plot I've only seen the series lore up once and it was for comparative reasons.

Zachary Bell
Zachary Bell

What category does Star Vs the Forces of Evil go under?
I'll say that world builds somewhat but as says up to know everything they've revealed seems to build up to the season finale, it has a healty amount of things that happen as consequence of actions that took place in the main story itself anyways.

Camden Richardson
Camden Richardson

The Steven Universe one.

ALL of its shallow lore bullshit could be finished in 3 episodes if anybody ever asked followup questions.

But trite shipping bullshit could last forever I guess.

Wyatt Hernandez
Wyatt Hernandez

What pushes this?

Cuckold training

Owen Turner
Owen Turner

I'm guessing you've had to deal with Soulsfags.

SU clearly wanted to create a plot with lore and drama but fails miserably because authors want to shove their morals on the filler episodes and the lack of proper use of the main characters makes them loose grips of their personalities.
It seems like they wanted to go the Tenchi Muyo route but they fumbled the ball every step of the way.

Andrew Walker
Andrew Walker

Tenchi Muyo is sexist bro. Why not a show where everybody is an aggressive loser?

Blake Gomez
Blake Gomez

Star Vs works a bit better because while there definitely is some real attempts at lore with the history of Star's family and the nature of the wand, it's clear that most of the setting is an excuse to have any and all kinds of weird and crazy magical shit to adventure through.

Kind of like Adventure Time before the meteor episode made it clear they really don't have any ideas and are just throwing around symbolism in a vain attempt to seem like they have anything interesting to say.

Jack Morales
Jack Morales

Would you guys say that Steven Universe is like a bad anime where they drag out "lore" only for it to be underwhelming at the end?

Blake Evans
Blake Evans

The level of effort SU puts into not advancing its plot is on another plane to even the worst anime. The stuff they do with their filler (Promote some of the most direct SJW bullshit) is also something unique to the modern cancer of cartoons.

Ethan Hernandez
Ethan Hernandez

No not even close, why in the ever loving hell would you believe that?

Cooper Nelson
Cooper Nelson

I'm still triggered by what they did with Peridot.

James Bell
James Bell

You mean turning her into a meme character?

Thomas Nelson
Thomas Nelson

I believe this trend in cartoons started with Adventure Time.

Landon Gonzalez
Landon Gonzalez

I can see that. I almost feel ashamed for liking it in the beginning even with the episode that reveals Ice Kings origin. Maybe the "lore" would've worked better as a background thing.

Chase Miller
Chase Miller

I think the problem with SU is that the only way it could actually bother to dump exposition or make the lore actually relevant to the story is if they were forced to make it a major plot point and get stuff done. I think the problem and the reason the lore is put to the side in so many episodes is because the people behind it aren't really interested in actually building a world, which is why I think they tend to fixate so much on more mundane and self-contained situations, they're lazy and would much rather fans try to build their world for them rather than build it themselves

Juan Brown
Juan Brown

they're lazy and would much rather fans try to build their world for them rather than build it themselves

It just hit me that you could find more plot and development in a Steven Universe fanfiction than you could in Steven Universe itself.

Joshua White
Joshua White

fans doing the leg work of building lore rather than the creator of the work.
I've begun seeing this more recently. Why are the creators of these things such lazy bums?

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

Because society has developed in such a fashion that it is allowing lazy bums to become creators.

Mason Wright
Mason Wright

Is it possible for western animation to do lore right?

Leo White
Leo White

For the same reason that Betty crocker cake mix asks you to add an egg. You don't NEED to actually. All the ingredients are covered. But that Egg makes you feel like a cook.

Why WORK to assemble a world when fans will feel smart for assembling it for you?

Nolan Hernandez
Nolan Hernandez

bump

Jeremiah Ward
Jeremiah Ward

For what reason? At least post some content you filthy refugee.

Ayden Barnes
Ayden Barnes

I'm honestly glad I never invested much time in either.

Shits like you give Disney more power and ruin good shit like 40k and Star Wars.

Levi King
Levi King

Star Wars
Good

Henry Nguyen
Henry Nguyen

popular thing
good

Luke Long
Luke Long

well you gotta pay some close attention
but some anons have picked up that sweet hips and edgy goth are into marco

Elijah Russell
Elijah Russell

er wait, sweet hips is probably a mermaid or some shit I mean

Cooper Gray
Cooper Gray

exactly

Logan Barnes
Logan Barnes

Mods better bumplock this thread.

Daniel Rogers
Daniel Rogers

The mods aren't your butlers, user

Carson Lee
Carson Lee

Why?

Ryder Ramirez
Ryder Ramirez

If either of these hows were good, they wouldn't be part of the liberal mainstream media.

Justin Adams
Justin Adams

Or
reddit cancer

Christopher Price
Christopher Price

Tell me, why do you cucks worship the mainstream media?

Sebastian Kelly
Sebastian Kelly

Tell me, why haven't you gone back?

Leo Roberts
Leo Roberts

Back to where?

Ayden Ward
Ayden Ward

t. reddit

Lincoln Barnes
Lincoln Barnes

I've never been to Reddit. I detest Reddit.

Anthony Morris
Anthony Morris

confirmed /reddit/index.html

Connor Bell
Connor Bell

Ha. Ha.

Nicholas White
Nicholas White

/reddit/index.html

Evan Russell
Evan Russell

You got your laugh. Kindly swallow a handful of bitter almonds.

Christian King
Christian King

ok reddit

Austin Russell
Austin Russell

ladies please
you're both reddit

Jayden Lee
Jayden Lee

t. reddit

Isaiah Nelson
Isaiah Nelson

Everyone's reddit!

Lucas Jenkins
Lucas Jenkins

Why the fuck would I have anything to do with Reddit?

Aiden Hall
Aiden Hall

because you're from there

Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

Prove it.

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

that sounds like something reddit would say

Jaxson Kelly
Jaxson Kelly

Would someone from Reddit lament how political correctness literally destroyed forms of art?

Aiden Garcia
Aiden Garcia

Liberal anti-SJWs are just as bad as SJWs. It has nothing to do with sexism, they're just bad liars.

Jace Cook
Jace Cook

at least try next time reddit

Easton Cox
Easton Cox

Yes, Reddit doesn't like political correctness or racism against whites.

Brayden Thomas
Brayden Thomas

Gives honest view
"Try harder"
You cucks are pure lunacy.

One, r/theBluePill. Two, what does that image have to do with me?

Lucas Perez
Lucas Perez

ok reddit

David Ross
David Ross

Not even pretending to try

Josiah Gutierrez
Josiah Gutierrez

ok reddit

Grayson Roberts
Grayson Roberts

Are you even allowed to use a computer, you blind, deaf, drooling retard?

Anthony Reyes
Anthony Reyes

ok reddit

John Garcia
John Garcia

Is that a no? Do I need to report you for being underage?

Jacob Perez
Jacob Perez

ok reddit

Carter King
Carter King

alt-right mexican you are so entertaining, please don't ever leave

Jose Russell
Jose Russell

That's a yes. Reported.

Where the hell did me being Mexican come from?

Michael Stewart
Michael Stewart

we established you were mexican in the past, remember?
its part of your backstory

Hudson Moore
Hudson Moore

I get it, you cucks are just trying to rile me up.

Christopher Martin
Christopher Martin

he gets it

Jose Cox
Jose Cox

And knock it off with the memes. They're a cancer of the Internet.

Liam Martin
Liam Martin

there's no such thing as pretending to be retarded buddy

Charles Brooks
Charles Brooks

ok reddit

Samuel Gonzalez
Samuel Gonzalez

Quit talking to yourself, statist.

Dominic Johnson
Dominic Johnson

ok globalist

Gavin Murphy
Gavin Murphy

Pot, meet Kettle.

Jayden Fisher
Jayden Fisher

meme meet reddit

Dominic Hernandez
Dominic Hernandez

Now you're rambling nonsense off the top of your tumor-riddled, fetal-alcohol brain.

Jayden Rivera
Jayden Rivera

that sounds like eugenics speak, you some kind of nazi?

Joshua Williams
Joshua Williams

Holy shit, you're a genuine cuck. What the fuck are you doing on a free-speech platform?

Jacob Taylor
Jacob Taylor

ok reddit

Liam Ortiz
Liam Ortiz

Hey, having fetal alcohol syndrome isn't a choice and it isn't funny, chill the fuck out

Chase Scott
Chase Scott

Throw in some multiple sclerosis and more inbreeding than the Habsburgs, because why not?

I know being a retard isn't a choice, but a shoe is a shoe.

Dylan Cooper
Dylan Cooper

ok reddit

Angel Scott
Angel Scott

I know being a retard isn't a choice, but a shoe is a shoe.
dude that's really insensitive and you should realized how unfair that is to them to use that language

Alexander Long
Alexander Long

See the words following "but."

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

ok reddit

Jacob Ortiz
Jacob Ortiz

man how would you feel if you're entire family was special?

Eli Wilson
Eli Wilson

Saying retards are retarded means I hate the mentally disabled

Lucas Lopez
Lucas Lopez

ok reddit

Asher James
Asher James

it's hurtful speech dude, ya gotta be more sensitive to the less fortunate, not everybody was born as privilaged as yourself

Grayson Rogers
Grayson Rogers

Go to Tumblr and swallow an entire puffer fish.

Jonathan Ramirez
Jonathan Ramirez

man that's hurtful language
I can't even believe how close minded you are

Daniel Sanchez
Daniel Sanchez

ok reddit

Jayden James
Jayden James

Get a tattoo on your genitals and get it removed.

Wyatt Rodriguez
Wyatt Rodriguez

But what I really can't believe is how weak your bants are in the face of liberal rhetoric and you're inability to spot liberal parroting
This is why everyone sees the alt-right as cucks, your weak as shit in both your convictions and you're vocabulary instills no outrage, you talk like a child that just learned how to swear and your going around using it to elicit a response

go drown trying to save refugees you cuck faggot

Brayden Williams
Brayden Williams

ok reddit

Ethan Morgan
Ethan Morgan

how weak your bants are in the face of liberal rhetoric
You mean me refusing to give hurt feelings the light of day? Because that's all you did, act like you were offended.

and you're (sic.) inability to spot liberal parroting
Oh, I spotted it. I just didn't take it seriously. As a bonus, you weren't being serious about it. Either way, no skin off my balls.

Noah White
Noah White

45 minute delay
"i was just pretending to be retarded"
your a failure

Samuel Watson
Samuel Watson

I wasn't pretending to be anything, you Lewy-Body-addled git. I told you, I wasn't taking it seriously.

Easton Bell
Easton Bell

very not serious

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

ok reddit

Angel Turner
Angel Turner

Now you're just repeating what I'm saying.

Benjamin Parker
Benjamin Parker

ok reddit

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