So we have had super robot Western showsWhy hasnt the west given us alot of...

Cooper Taylor
Cooper Taylor

So we have had super robot Western shows

Why hasnt the west given us alot of real robot shows?

Thomas Thomas
Thomas Thomas

Megas XLR got canned quickly for whatever reason then shelved forever as a tax write off. Then 'Super Robot Monkey Team Hype Force GO!' got cancelled just before the last episode. Symbiotic Titan suffered a similar fate. I think mecha shows are just cursed.

Dominic Kelly
Dominic Kelly

Too expensive.

Camden Anderson
Camden Anderson

well there's the new Voltron so hopefully that won't fall under the curse.

Sebastian Butler
Sebastian Butler

Because cartoons are for children. Super robots can be silly, while something more realistic implies a serialised military story that no network would want to take a chance on doing anything more than cheaply dubbing.

Maybe some day someone will be inspired enough to pitch something akin to Patlabor, but you know the answer will be "Not grinning potato enough."

Jonathan Hughes
Jonathan Hughes

The last time we tried was the Mechwarrior cartoon.
There was Heavy Gear, but the networks bowdlerised it into a Robot Jox type show.
We'd need a real paradigm shift, a change in the way animation is funded and distributed, before we have the equivalent of a Macross or a Gundam or a Patlabor.

Oh wait, we just have. GO GIVE ALL YOUR JEWGOLD TO OTAKING RIGHT NOW FAGGOT

I SAID NAOW

Owen Rivera
Owen Rivera

Fuck you shill, I'm not giving any money to anybody.

Connor Anderson
Connor Anderson

That's why you can't have nice things.

Cameron Miller
Cameron Miller

Same reason there's little non-comedic animation in general: it's a conceptual oxymoron to both audiences and network bean-counters. Anything on the level of the original Mobile Suit Gundam is going to illicit confusion from people wired to think of Voltron, Power Rangers, and Transformers when you talk about giant robots. Good luck getting the attention of toy companies.

Oliver Jenkins
Oliver Jenkins

Its been infected with cancer already.

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

The fact that the only Real Robot shows known in the west is mostly Gundam is pretty much the reason

Jackson Phillips
Jackson Phillips

But Megas is more Super than Real.

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

That's why creators should be working themselves away from the companies. That's the only things are going to be fixed.

Benjamin Anderson
Benjamin Anderson

Why hasnt the west given us alot of real robot shows?
Cultural Differences + Smaller market for cartoons

Nathan Gonzalez
Nathan Gonzalez

The size of the market, in terms of viewers, isn't the issue. Avatar averaged 3-4 million.

Angel Howard
Angel Howard

3-4 Million is not that much and those would mostly be children. For comparison, Gundam SEED got like 13% or more of the viewership for that time slot and there would be a bigger cross-section of people

Oliver Ross
Oliver Ross

3-4 million is at the tail-end of Japan's top 10 anime. Japan's Wikipedia says SEED averaged 4-6%, and that was when people watched a lot more TV.

Late night anime doesn't get those kinds of numbers, and most anime are late night. So the amount of viewers isn't the most important thing.

Thomas Price
Thomas Price

3-4 million is at the tail-end of Japan's top 10 anime
SEED was very popular at the time. Wouldn't be surprised if it were at or near the top
Japan's Wikipedia says SEED averaged 4-6%
In which case it would have been about 13 or 14 million viewers
Late night anime doesn't get those kinds of numbers, and most anime are late night. So the amount of viewers isn't the most important thing.
SEED was prime time

You're missing the key second point here. Yes, the viewing figures for Avatar might have been the same as the low-end of popular anime, but it's mainly children watching it and it's on cable. Something like SEED was prime time television on a major terrestrial network. The demographics are bigger for it than they would be in the West.

Gavin Lee
Gavin Lee

4-6% would have been 5,096,000 - 7,644,000 viewers in 2002. I went to look at some TV rankings on ANN from 2007, and at that time SEED's ratings would have put it at the bottom or middle.

SEED was prime time
I wasn't referring to SEED, and my point was that late night anime is successful even without large audiences.

The demographics are bigger for it than they would be in the West.
I wasn't talking about what the demographics for a mecha anime would hypothetically be in America, I just pointed out that animation market there has enough viewers.

Lucas Walker
Lucas Walker

I went to look at some TV rankings on ANN from 2007, and at that time SEED's ratings would have put it at the bottom or middle
I looked at the same ratings for 00, which was in 2007, and its ratings were at about 4.4 million viewers. I've also read various things that said SEED and SEED Destiny's rating were much higher, at about 13-14 million, whereas 00's were consistent with most 90s Gundam shows like Wing or X
late night anime is successful even without large audiences
Not really. The late night anime that become successful do so because of DVD sales, like Code Geass for example. Most of them don't sell that many DVDs and often fail because nobody's watching TV at that hour
I just pointed out that animation market there has enough viewers
And my point is that viewer numbers aren't all that determine a market. America and Japan might have comparable numbers for animation but America has a smaller market because most of those viewers are made up of one demographic, children 6-11. Whereas in Japan the market is at least big enough for there to actually be animation targeted primarily at adults.

Jeremiah Bennett
Jeremiah Bennett

Working without the companies means working without the money to fund such endevors, which means quality animation is out of the cards entirely. And crowdfunding's never going to be the ideal replacement/hail-mary we want it to be. Not as long as people are skeptical about every project begging for money, and not without good reason.

Austin Carter
Austin Carter

JP Wikipedia says 8% was the peak rating.

The late night anime that become successful do so because of DVD sales
I never said they get their money from commercials.

Most of them don't sell that many DVDs and often fail because nobody's watching TV at that hour
Obviously not all shows are successful and I never said they are. Obviously I was talking about the late night anime market in a broad sense, and it is successful.

America and Japan might have comparable numbers for animation but America has a smaller market because most of those viewers are made up of one demographic, children 6-11.
Children watch mecha too, there are teen/adult viewers as well, and I never said that getting 3-4 million viewers is the minimum requirement.

Lucas Ward
Lucas Ward

JP Wikipedia says 8% was the peak rating.
Yeah, 8% of total viewership, which could mean anything. Basically, of all the people watching television in Japan at that particular time, 8% of them were watching Gundam SEED
I never said that getting 3-4 million viewers is the minimum requirement
I never said that you did
Children watch mecha too, there are teen/adult viewers as well
While true, this is where cultural differences come into play. You couldn't make something like Zeta Gundam for the American market. American children wouldn't watch it. Too adult for them. American teenagers might watch it but there's the idea that it's a cartoon and it's not an animated comedy. You could only really air it on Cartoon Network or some other mainly kids' channel that airs cartoons. American adults wouldn't watch it, unless they were manchildren or they had children who were into it which, see first point. Hence, smaller market.

Ethan Scott
Ethan Scott

If it can mean anything then surely there's no point in even talking about ratings.

this is where cultural differences come into play
I never said anything about what kind of mecha animation would be made, I simply pointed out the fact that the market is not too small.

James Thomas
James Thomas

I never said anything about what kind of mecha animation would be made
Real robot was specified. Real robot is a specific type of mecha animation. It contains specific tropes, for lack of a better word.

Wyatt Lopez
Wyatt Lopez

I know what real robot is. I still didn't specify anything about this hypothetical anime.

Ryan Kelly
Ryan Kelly

The curse goes on, we were also supposed to get a Pacific Rim Animated Show too.

Robert Ward
Robert Ward

I don't know if that would've been better or worse than what we are still getting.

Chase Harris
Chase Harris

Why hasnt the west given us alot of real robot shows?

Does Mighty Orbots count?

Xavier Morris
Xavier Morris

The only real robot shows in the West I can think of is Exo-Squad, Battletech, and maybe Heavy Gear even if it was shit.

Benjamin Barnes
Benjamin Barnes

'Super Robot Monkey Team Hype Force GO!' got cancelled just before the last episode
thank you very much for reminding me that and ruining the rest of my day

Aaron Foster
Aaron Foster

The Japanese version of Starship Troopers was literally the only adaptation that used the power armour.
Western studios just don't like giant robots unless it's a kid's show.

Mason Bell
Mason Bell

Let your hatred flow and give you the energy to right these wrongs. If we forget this tragedy then Skeleton King wins.

Bentley Bailey
Bentley Bailey

Gundam Unicorn's on Toonami now if that counts

Eli Hill
Eli Hill

jews hate fun

Who could've guessed?!

Samuel Gray
Samuel Gray

No, we're looking for Western cartoons. That's kind of the point.

Adam Martinez
Adam Martinez

The guy who did the tie fighter animated short is apparently working on something.

Easton Martinez
Easton Martinez

Aaaand I just realised I'm posting on Holla Forums and he probably made this thread.

Landon Lee
Landon Lee

I think with the western Starship Troopers avoids the power armor because it would have strained the modeling and animation. At least we got the marauder suits, which were freaking awesome to my childhood self. They get used more often as the series goes on, which I feel lends credence to my explanation.

Levi Carter
Levi Carter

This just showed up in my Youtube suggested videos. Never heard of it before, but ROBOTS.
Also, wasn't Zoids a robot show?

There's been a few more comics in the west, there was Mechazoic, Starriors, Shogun Warriors, Hedrax, Sephen, Spitfire And The Troubleshooters, Armoured Gideon, Death's Head, and ABC Warriors.
Gammarauders was almost a giant robot story, but I think they were closer to kaiju.

And shitty Charles Band films like Robot Jox, Crash and Burn, Robot Wars, Robo Warriors…

Lucas Diaz
Lucas Diaz

But user..Shogun Warriors comic uses Combattler V, Danguard Ace and Raideen, all three of them were from Japanese animes (and the toyline even more so with the likes of Great Mazinger, Getter Robo G and Daimos)

Thomas Rivera
Thomas Rivera

It was a show to sell toys

Nolan White
Nolan White

ROBOTS

TOY ROBOTS

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