Systemd thread

Austin Williams
Austin Williams

systemd 234 released

https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2017-July/039308.html

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https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2017-July/039308.html
https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/ChangeLog
https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=dc48bd653c7e101
Robert Ramirez
Robert Ramirez

openrc 0.28 released

https://github.com/OpenRC/openrc/blob/master/ChangeLog

Josiah Taylor
Josiah Taylor

The numerous bugs of systemd is the reason people are switching to distros that get less attention.

David Brown
David Brown

people are switching to distros that get less attention
[citation needed]

Justin Ross
Justin Ross

And a new version of Runit... not released, because it's already stable and does everything it needs to do. :^)

Ryder Nelson
Ryder Nelson

Meson is now supported as build system in addition to Automake
I'm sure this will be a great build system, being recommended to us by a guy who doesn't give a single shit about portability or multiplatform development or anything one actually needs automake for.

Jose Smith
Jose Smith

Meson seems pretty mundane and useless. It's basically cmake, but written in python (so it'll be slow as fuck). conclusion: shit

Ayden Robinson
Ayden Robinson

So python is officially the new perl?

Camden Clark
Camden Clark

Runit doesn't make it easy to run one-shot scripts. You kind of need those to boot an OS. s6 does but it's way too autistic for something that's supposed to just work.

Daniel Scott
Daniel Scott

(checked)
Which one though?

Jason Parker
Jason Parker

You have obviously never even glanced at the runit website and are just talking absolute bullshit.

Jack Martinez
Jack Martinez

As in, most popular scripting language to write new systems software in? Probably. But we're still stuck with a ton of old Perl.

Luis Hill
Luis Hill

Show me how you run nfsd in runit then. I'll wait here.

James Brooks
James Brooks

Python became the new perl 15 years ago. A big distro collab back then was to get perl out of the base install and replace tools with ones using python.

Camden Long
Camden Long

and now everyone still has perl5 installed but also 3 billion versions of python

Logan Ortiz
Logan Ortiz

and now everyone still has perl5 installed
Maybe you do, but that shit's gone on most industrial distributions of Linux. When your firmware is in the 50MiB range, Perl needing 25MiB for a Hello World and another 25MiB of libspam to be useful kinda killed it. Python is way easier to shrink down, even many general purpose distros include a smallish python-minimal to take care of cases where it's used in the base system.

Isaiah Sanchez
Isaiah Sanchez

Forgot to add, we all still use python2.7 and likely will until python4.

Aaron Roberts
Aaron Roberts

systemd-logind may now be restarted without losing state. It stores the file descriptors for devices it manages in the system manager using the FDSTORE= mechanism. Please note that

further changes
in other components may be
required
to make use of this
(for example
Xorg
has code to listen for stops of systemd-logind and terminate itself when logind is stopped or restarted, in order to avoid using stale file descriptors for graphical devices, which is
now counterproductive and must be reverted
in order for restarts of systemd-logind to be safe.

https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=dc48bd653c7e101

So
to ensure unpleasentness if people do decide to restart systemd-logind
anyways (or when it crashes), monitor logind going away and
make this a fatal error.
This avoids getting a hard-hung machine on the next vt-switch and will
hopefully
quickly educate users to not restart systemd-logind
while they have an X session using it active.

Joseph Wilson
Joseph Wilson

Xorg knows whose boss

Nathan Perry
Nathan Perry

OpenBSD :^)

Wyatt Walker
Wyatt Walker

cuck license

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