Net Neutrality

Austin Rodriguez
Austin Rodriguez

Today is the "day of action" for net neutrality.
https://internetassociation.org/
https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/
Personally, I think that this is all in vain because normal people just browse Facebook and YouTube all day, but I hope I am wrong.
THEY'RE TRASHING OUR RIGHTS MAN

All urls found in this thread:
https://internetassociation.org/
https://www.battleforthenet.com/july12/
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/07/todays-day-lets-save-net-neutrality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4J7ljCExM
https://gnunet.org/concepts
http://ronja.twibright.com/
https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8414-corporate_surveillance_digital_tracking_big_data_privacy
http://cdn.chiefmartec.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/marketing_technology_landscape_2016_3000px.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUm9hV9KPy0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Dd5aVXLCc
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-344614A1.pdf
Gavin Nelson
Gavin Nelson

'murica, the land of the free

Lincoln Sanchez
Lincoln Sanchez

Great, what jewish shit are they hiding under net neutrality's skirt now?

Has someone read it and confirmed that they're actually trying to do real net neutrality this time and not slip in all kinds of dubious shit under it again?

Aaron Phillips
Aaron Phillips

Is net neutrality just a bunch of consumerist faggots demanding better prices and quality of their products or am I missing something?

It's the consumers' faults the internet is shit in the first place. Regulation or whatever fairy tale rules they want to make wont fix shit. Why punish everyone by wasting tax money and ending up with something that's just shit anyway?

I've never read about net neutrality for more than a minute or two because I can't find any explanation of why it matters, but feel free to prove me wrong.

I read some thread just now and it's literally some guy complaining that Google will take long to load unless you pay the ISP more money. Why do you let your ISP know what you are connecting to in the first place?

Oliver Diaz
Oliver Diaz

Oh great another NN thread.

I wonder (((who))) will shill against it.

Lincoln Hernandez
Lincoln Hernandez

You're shitposting using NN on a site that will be throttled without it. That's why tardo.

William Morales
William Morales

Think of our telecom masters profits! how dare we have any leverage as a consumer, we lowly peasants should be grateful to buy the slowest speeds at ridiculous prices

<fuckoff

Lucas Diaz
Lucas Diaz

I've never read about net neutrality for more than a minute
You're the kind of people who should neuter themselves.
Read or GTFO.
https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/07/todays-day-lets-save-net-neutrality

Gavin Reyes
Gavin Reyes

You guys realize Net Neutrality will let Obama take over the Internet right?

<Sorry, I meant Trump :^) but he's based so why do we want to get rid of it now? )^: trumps pet pajeet wants to remove it

Oh right because corporate kikes don't like it. Save Net Neutrality!

Zachary Mitchell
Zachary Mitchell

Perhaps they're removing and replacing net neutrality with something more transparent

Don't lose hope guys.

Josiah Flores
Josiah Flores

wanting to grant even more power to the government
Just kill yourselves.

Sebastian Martin
Sebastian Martin

Because we should give the power to corporations instead.

Adrian Sullivan
Adrian Sullivan

guiz Obama is gonna get us
an entire election without government censorship later
guiz we gotta trust the corporations!

lol

Camden Ross
Camden Ross

The entire net neutrality discussion makes me fucking lose hope in humanity.

It's like there's 2 sides to the discussion with hardly any people outside of them; people who are retarded beyond redemption, and people who instantly fall for the simplest kike mind tricks.

Josiah Russell
Josiah Russell

reddit spacing
<fuckoff

Ethan Bailey
Ethan Bailey

reddit spacing
<fuckoff

Dylan Parker
Dylan Parker

this.
you get what you vote for

Justin Ward
Justin Ward

Why do you let your ISP know what you are connecting to in the first place?
Americans actually think like this?

Owen Morgan
Owen Morgan

I'm ready to crash fcc.gov with no survivors.

Jeremiah Richardson
Jeremiah Richardson

It's the consumers' faults the internet is shit in the first place.
No, it's Bill Clinton's fault for deregulating the telecommunications industry which has had the predictable result of consolidating into a handful of regional monopolies that fuck people as hard and as often as they can.

Isaac Lopez
Isaac Lopez

The mainstream net neutrality debate is missing the point to a level that hurts.

With IPv4, ISP's can look at the sender, receiver, and payload of a packet, and use this information to throttle traffic. In my mind, this is purely an engineering problem (and one that is not solved with IPv6). Even if you pass a million regulations and actually get ISP's to honor them, you still haven't dealt with the fact that it is technically possible to manipulate your traffic. i.e. You are very vulnerable to state actors using the above information. And in reality, because these regulations will not be honored anywhere close to perfect, you will still be reamed by large corporations too.

Attempts to fix this legislatively are moronic, because people _should_ feel pressure to switch away from IPv4. For all of the numerous uses IPv4 has had, the fact is

1) It requires centralized public address assignment
2) It necessitates the existence of ISP's for packet routing
3) It casts off the burden of encryption to other protocols, which would be a good design decision for most protocols, except that IP headers contain sender and receiver addresses. As a result, even if you make the payload impossible to inspect, ISP's can usually determining who is talking to who.

I'm aware that creating a protocol that solves these issues will not be easy, and the fact that there is hundreds of billions of dollars invested in IPv4 hardware doesn't help either. But it is what has to be done if people want to actually solve the problem.

Aaron Morris
Aaron Morris

Ol ma'bell
So now I can be fucked by Bugs Bunny for less.

Alexander Taylor
Alexander Taylor

test

Evan Harris
Evan Harris

keep parts of net neutrality that are good for consumers by consumers
-and-
<remove parts that are deemed bad for business by consumers

Wow simple

Daniel Green
Daniel Green

throttling a website that's already ass-slow as fuck
Not worth even 8 bytes in (((their))) list of throttled websites.

Michael Howard
Michael Howard

"using NN"
literally what. I'm posting to this site over .onion which is almost unberable as it is, and I'm not allowed to post images because some homo admin said so. Half the web is already using misconfigured cuckflare instances which causes me to get blocked anyway, but that's their own choice. If I was a homo American I'd legislate against this and put it under NN.

What I'm against is making it illegal to view certain sites or use certain protocols or any other form of free speech. It doesn't seem that NN has anything to do with that though.

If you're not using an overlay network such as tor,i2p, or Freenet you're using the internet wrong. If you are using an overlay network, by definition, an ISP cannot "discriminate" on your traffic, regardless of NN. The whole point in this is to replace the internet with something sane where random middlemen such as your shitty consumer ISP have no say on anything you do. Eventually the entire internet will just block tor for (((security reasons))) and large masses will move to a closed off network like i2p. At that point, some homo statesmen will lobby for making it illegal to access such networks (since they can't technically do anything about it), and the judges will be like oh okay NN was okay, so this law should be okay too XDDD! And then we will be left with the cancer that is the clearnet. If you haven't already noticed, the clearnet is already mostly cancer.

this.

The fuck makes you entitled for good service? You don't even use an overlay network, you're a cuck and don't deserve anything. You are the problem.
If I don't want to abuse the law against some shitty companies, I'm a bad guy? If you don't want companies to abuse the law against you (DMCA, etc), the first step is to not be a hypocrite.
Anyway, really what I want is $1/month for some 90's speed unlimited bandwidth connection, but the lowest price here is $50 because you can only get a facetube-tier connection. With NN I imagine all that will change is you get a 1gbps connection for $100 instead of $130.

That page didn't tell me anything. An ISP blocking/throttling information doesn't stop free speech since you can always get around it. Regardless of NN, (((defamation laws))) exist, which should stop ISPs from sponsoring fake information. But none of this matters, since people should be using secure mediums instead of the clearnet anyway, and are entitled to. Once that is done, there cannot be any central middleman that can simply tamper with everything you look at.

I don't live in America, nor do I sexually identify as a member of any state.

Well ISPs are shit, but so is everything else consumers get. It's not like the president can just tell people to make good products and services.

Ryder Harris
Ryder Harris

I'm not American but heres why you should bootlick Comcast

Fuck off

Anthony Adams
Anthony Adams

literally who?

Easton Baker
Easton Baker

dude the 90s internet was great LMAO let's be primitive 56k ebin programmers

Okay. If you want to be a nostalgic LARP hacker go ahead but I want fast speeds for porn and shitposting.

Cooper Wilson
Cooper Wilson

i just need internet to pay bills conveniently and telecommunicate. I don't need any internet other than that, in fact I just end up wasting tons of time. And I imagine they can at least make some low end DSL work. too bad the entire market including poorfags demand le fast speeds to view their web 3.0 bullshit

Asher Morris
Asher Morris

in my previous apartment I used neighbour's wifi because they all had broken by design WPS which lets you right in. (consumers fucking everything over again). it was slow as fuck but good for a year. now there's noone close enough to use their wifi

Luis Sullivan
Luis Sullivan

has fucking 1gps
calling others entitled

Holyshit

Thomas Hernandez
Thomas Hernandez

has fucking 1gps
I literally did not say that.

Andrew Moore
Andrew Moore

Perhaps your countries own laws are fucking you over, not businesses.

It's the opposite in the US, telecom has a stranglehold on consumers. NN is the last advantage we have.

Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

What is gnunet

I'm posting to this site over .onion which is almost unberable as it is
Me too and I don't bitch about it.
I'm not allowed to post images because some homo admin said so
Because CIA niggers likes to post CP to shut down the place.
Half the web is already using misconfigured cuckflare instances which causes me to get blocked anyway
True
but that's their own choice
A misguided choice.
Most of the response that I have when I ask "why do you use cloudflare" is for the cheap bandwidth capability (not even for the anti ddos (well except journalist/news website)).
But their are already some small companies that proposes similar and cheaper services.

by definition, an ISP cannot "discriminate" on your traffic
true but if they tag x traffic and that your overlay network (or any private traffic) isn't tagged or is tagged in (not paying for more bandwith/speed) then you're fucked.

An ISP blocking/throttling information doesn't stop free speech
blocking/throttling information
blocking
doesn't stop free speech
Do you have any idea how blocking/throttling works or can ?
since you can always get around it
Being this naive
This is was cost us the guidance of a lot of things.

Hudson Russell
Hudson Russell

If you're not using some ISP you don't like, how are they fucking you over?

Me too and I don't bitch about it.
This wasn't a dedicated post to point out how shitty 8ch's .onion is. It's actually fast these days. I feel sorry for other users who post to "anonymous" imageboards with their bare IP, and I laugh at users who bitch about "data collection" on 8ch.

Do you have any idea how blocking/throttling works or can ?
It's physically impossible for an ISP to provide acceptable (as in acceptable to normies) service and still be able to censor information.

Ian Nguyen
Ian Nguyen

Took me way too fucking long to find this thread. On /b/ and halfchan noone seems to even be aware of this, What the fuck is wrong with chans these days

Jeremiah Hall
Jeremiah Hall

wut

I'm using Comcast, it's the only ISP within 40 miles of me.

Charles Collins
Charles Collins

It's physically impossible
What do you mean by physical ?
You hardware/raw power ?
Because it's feasible nowadays.

for an ISP to provide acceptable (as in acceptable to normies) service and still be able to censor information.
Censoring doesn't mean removing information has a whole it's also not showing in the first place A or B information, aka omitting information.
Tt can go further than that since nowadays they can also, thanks to bigdata/datamining, give the exact kind of data to X to have a Y result.

James Rogers
James Rogers

There's threads on 4&8/pol/ getting flooded by freetards and comcucks.

/g/ has two threads up and they're the only ones who know we're fucked if it's removed.

Carter Sanchez
Carter Sanchez

I can add someone over goybook and send packets to him encoded in base64, for example, and the "state of the art" ISP filters probably aren't even there yet.

And they're fucking you over? Just stop using them

Isaiah Price
Isaiah Price

What is gnunet
Something that typically uses IP for transport, as far as I can tell. Can you elaborate?

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

It's physically impossible for an ISP to provide acceptable (as in acceptable to normies) service and still be able to censor information.
You're retarded. They could move to a whitelisted internet. Every day that's more viable as "internet" is no more than jewtube, kikebook, pozflix, twatter, and niggerbox live for most people. They could ban 'opaque' TCP flows like was threatened in the early '90s and 99% of people wouldn't even notice.

Alexander Foster
Alexander Foster

What are you even doing on Holla Forums?

David Foster
David Foster

I just said above even if we only use facebook, we can still communicate whatever we want by simply base64'ing data into private messages.
oh sorry, I didn't know this is just reddit. not an argument. none of you niggers even tried to explain why NN matters

Cameron Watson
Cameron Watson

They could ban 'opaque' TCP flows like was threatened in the early '90s and 99% of people wouldn't even notice.
Bullshit. Most of internet traffic now is https, which is "opaque" by 90's standards.

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

Please disconnect america from the open internet forever.

t. the rest of the world who survived your AOLers being unleashed onto it

Brayden Gomez
Brayden Gomez

What the fuck is wrong with chans these days
I dunno user.
I wonder what is wrong with these boards/chans who have similar admins.
I wonder why is everything is so fucked when people are getting datamined by literally everything (especially the uk).
Nothing can go wrong if we know everything about everyone.
It won't create an enormous wave of distrust among those who knows about it.
It's not like IT companies volunteer hired SJWs then sent them in "opens source" or free software project to work on it and fuck shit up in the community.

Can you elaborate?
Yes
Gnunet simply resolves almost all of the technical issues of the insecure/clearweb.
It removes any centralization standards (DNS, certification authorities etc..)
It also took into account all the problem that Tor has and corrects them.
You can pass any protocol in it thanks to it's design.
You have total anonymity of server and users.
And thanks to all that it's censorship resistant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM4J7ljCExM
https://gnunet.org/concepts

Of course gnunet still has to work on the IPvX standards.
Otherwise you would have to make new hardware/standards.
Gnunet specific hardware has already been discussed on IRC.
Except if an entire nation is willing to change their entire networking hardware/standard infrastructure to have a sane internet then it's not possible with just hacktivism.
When you see that most of the web is still on IPv4 and IPv6 has been announced more than a decade ago can you imagine how much time it would take to migrate to an a entire new internet protocol that needs new hardware ?

which is "opaque" by 90's standards.
HTTPS only helps into not compromising the data that is sent/receive, it doesn't stop from one to know where the data is going.
+It inherits the centralization problem of x.509.

Carter Butler
Carter Butler

They'll use a (((spam filter))) based on entropy/markov chains. Look at what happens to pure noise videos on youtube.
Consider CJDNS. Runs on anything that provides a data stream connection.
The cheapest and best option is a LED transmitter.
range of ~1.6kms (1mi)
works in bad weather
private, you need to intercept the beam to eavsdrop
cheap, parts cost $17 (not including pcb)
scalable (just put a new one next to it, you can also use different colors to prevent electrical infetterence)
http://ronja.twibright.com/

Bentley Rodriguez
Bentley Rodriguez

<only isp in 40 miles
just stop using them
are you joking?

Lucas Rogers
Lucas Rogers

-encode data into human language
-encode data in time
-encode data to multiple facebook users
anyway i highly doubt the internet will become just facebook/twatter, because then someone will just make his own ISP and get all the money. by the way such a cucked internet would have video games, which means even more channels to send information
no. what's the problem?

Nolan Torres
Nolan Torres

Bullshit. Most of internet traffic now is https, which is "opaque" by 90's standards.
The CAs control the security of that system and the CAs answer to the government. All regular https traffic could be ordered transparent without disrupting users.
Your childishness is showing though, thinking that because something might affect a lot of people or fuck things up it can't happen. Consider what happened in Iran with the Islamic Revolution.

Jonathan Johnson
Jonathan Johnson

encode data into human language
get cucked by markov chains
encode data in time
get cucked by (((server optimizations))) adding random 0-5 second delay
encode data to multiple facebook users
get cucked by spam filter
anyway i highly doubt the internet will become just facebook/twatter, because then someone will just make his own ISP and get all the money
terrorism :^)
by the way such a cucked internet would have video games, which means even more channels to send information
All new games released on Steam (now owned by Oculus) have integrated their chat functionality into Steam, letting developers use Facebook SmartFilter™ for free, lowering server and moderation costs

Ryan Thompson
Ryan Thompson

no. what's the problem?
Not the user you responded to.
What do you not understand when he says that the ONLY isp is 40 miles away ?
Do you want him to get an ISP which is 100 mile or more ?

Lincoln Taylor
Lincoln Taylor

I'm saying just by moving around in a game you can encode info. Most modern "AAA" games have about 50 channels you can use, not just chat and physically moving around in the world. And what are you saying, they're only going to have a small list of validated games? If we're going full Sharia law, you really wont care much about having access to a convenient global internet. In any case you can't really filter natural language unless people only have a few deterministic ways they can produce text.
I'm saying if your ISP is "fucking you" it's better to have no ISP instead of paying them to fuck you and complaining to your government like a bitch. inb4 >I need internet to watch netflix tho

Brayden Collins
Brayden Collins

They're not going to have a small list of validated games, but all the netcode and chat will be handled by an external library provided by Steam to make P2P easier, since it's quite hard to do right.
Maybe they'll add that too like they did in hearthstone, in-game you have deterministic chat, you can only write text freely with your friends. Nobody is going sharia law, it's not needed. Most autists who care about privacy won't have any other friends who do since they won't have any at all. It's more like Brave new World than the Islamic State.

Lucas Cruz
Lucas Cruz

uhh if there's no Sharia law, there's not going to be any big attempt stop stenography, and from all current news, any attempt to stop steno even by government will be poor.

In any case you can't really filter natural language unless people only have a few deterministic ways they can produce text.
What I meant by this is, if humans were robots, then it would be easy to filter what they say on facebook, but since natural language is ill defined, constantly evolving, and context dependent, it's probably impossible to filter out data packets stenographed into natural language. You could always go for some heuristic bullshit but if you fuck it up too much nobody will use your service.

what are we even talking about now?

getting more off topic:
when someone says (((external library))), i imagine some bullshit like Planetside 2, where the physics is handled by an external library, and the server has no way of validating your position and movements, so we can fly around and teleport

Andrew Robinson
Andrew Robinson

Facebook will do it to decrease the load on their servers. Try uploading a video encoding large amounts of data on youtube - it's impossible. So the ratio of carrier to signal will be abysmal, which will give you an absolutely terrible data rate if applied to text messaging.

You can use markov chains. Also remember that they have loads and loads of data to train neural networks and the like from.

No, the game creators only write the GUI parts, then they just call steam.chat.send(message, type) and steam.chat.addListener(function).

Jaxson Wilson
Jaxson Wilson

THEY'RE TRASHING THE FLOW OF DATA
TRASHING
HACK THE PLANET

Henry Gomez
Henry Gomez

If you are using an overlay network, by definition, an ISP cannot "discriminate" on your traffic, regardless of NN.
But your exit node's ISP can.

Andrew Taylor
Andrew Taylor

Do you believe American NN laws are supposed to cover Tox exit nodes that don't exist on American soil?

Henry Morgan
Henry Morgan

still using tor
To be fair I think most autists are just going to route their stuff through tor and then maybe another service if shit seems like its about to get pozzed.
Only people I know irl who know about tor are exactly the type of autists to do that and they aren't codemonkeys and they don't know shit about java or the fine tuning of how this works. They just know that it hides their shit when they're typing in looking for their mlp porn.
Alls it would take is word that tor might not have that CNN scarealoo anymore and they'll look for something else.

Justin Phillips
Justin Phillips

All I see about NN online is bunch of fear-mongers spreading FUD. End of net neutrality is not a big deal.

William Moore
William Moore

So this doesnt affect the civilized parts of the world?

Take this shit to 4chan or something

John Adams
John Adams

net jewtrality

Christopher Thompson
Christopher Thompson

huhuh! I done managed to fit 'jew' in another word! huhuhuhuh
look at me! i done a funny! huhuhuh
t. /pol/

Connor Campbell
Connor Campbell

Most of internet traffic now is https
via cloudflare-in-the-middle

Ayden Miller
Ayden Miller

huhuh! I done managed to use my ebin meme image!
look at me! i done reply to a saged post without saging! huhuhuh
t. 12 year old

Jordan Barnes
Jordan Barnes

This. Those who use HTTPS without Cloudflare are slowly being pushed to it via {{{suspicious}}} DDoS attacks.

Daniel Hall
Daniel Hall

I can add someone over goybook and send packets to him encoded in base64
connect to facebook
ISP (and facebook) knows where you connected.
send packets
ISP (and facebook) knows that you've sent X paquets to Z people.
encoded in base64
ISP (and facebook) knows that you've sent base64 data, you are now on the non-normie list.
and the "state of the art" ISP filters probably aren't even there yet.
Like what was said before censoring isn't only based on removing information.

Corporate surveillance, digital tracking, big data & privacy
https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8414-corporate_surveillance_digital_tracking_big_data_privacy
http://cdn.chiefmartec.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/marketing_technology_landscape_2016_3000px.jpg

Data collection, psychographic profiling, and their impact on politics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUm9hV9KPy0

The Power of Big Data and Psychographics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8Dd5aVXLCc

terrorism :^)
You forgot pedos and nazis.

This

Gavin Kelly
Gavin Kelly

That's a naive notion of how history played out. There were honestly more small-time ISP's around back then because there wasn't a dirth of regulation, and uncertainty of enforcement caused by the nature of Title 2 Regulation.
Internet infrastructure was a cash cow that couldn't be stopped.
Certainly certain portions of communications got reclassed under Title 1 Regulations, but it's a strawman to say that there were no precedents set that affirmed the freedoms of the user. Namely the Four Freedoms of Information Services, one of which is the freedom of the user to use any information service, whether provide or not, by the ISP or third-party to the ISP, to legally access information.
This guiding principle was used to settle Comcast v BitTorrent in favor of BitTorrent, but it was appealed and overturned during the Obama Administration, under which the internet was reclassed under Title 2.

The important thing are the words information service.
(24) Information service
The term “information service” means the offering of a capability for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, utilizing, or making available information via telecommunications, and includes electronic publishing, but does not include any use of any such capability for the management, control, or operation of a telecommunications system or the management of a telecommunications service.

To reclass the internet the internet under Title 2 Regulations, there had to be a motion to reclass the internet under something that could be reasonably be considered a utility.
<(53) Telecommunications service
<The term “telecommunications service” means the offering of telecommunications for a fee directly to the public, or to such classes of users as to be effectively available directly to the public, regardless of the facilities used.
<(50) Telecommunications
<The term “telecommunications” means the transmission, between or among points specified by the user, of information of the user’s choosing, without change in the form or content of the information as sent and received.
That is to say, reclass the internet as a telecommunication service.

Now tell me, how much of the internet, internet services, ... can be said to be a telecommunications service? How much of the services on the internet can't be safe guarded under the designation telecommunication services, that can under information services.

Dylan Lewis
Dylan Lewis

(.. Cont)
If you aren't illiterate, then buckle up for some good reading.
https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-344614A1.pdf

Isaac Foster
Isaac Foster

My preferred NN is non-nude.

Thomas Miller
Thomas Miller

no they can't, that's the whole point. any overlay network can easily ball back to stenography

this. Someone feel free to actually list one concrete thing that NN does or doesn't do, though.

ISP (and facebook) knows that you've sent base64 data, you are now on the non-normie list.
What's your point? ISPs, governments, and civilians can already easily see that you're connecting to tor.

The only reason you'd be using stenography over Facebook is if all other practical channels are blocked. In such case, there would be 10s of millions of people doing the same.

I don't have time to watch yet another (((hacker conference))) video about (((them))).

Jace Mitchell
Jace Mitchell

The only reason you'd be using stenography over Facebook is if all other practical channels are blocked. In such case, there would be 10s of millions of people doing the same.
You're going to be disappointed in how few people won't just submit. China's got a billion people yet very few run VPNs through the Great Firewall.

Nathaniel Barnes
Nathaniel Barnes

Censorship doesn't need to be 100%. The country's usually split around 50/50 on any big idea so just having an ability to throttle out-group communication by a couple percent is enough to control you.

Luis Russell
Luis Russell

ISPs, governments, and civilians can already easily see that you're connecting to tor.
Yes I am aware
What's your point?
That there's a technical difference between using TOR and using base64 on the clearweb.

Nicholas Green
Nicholas Green

NN (Title II classification) prevents an ISP from discriminating packets. For example this prevents larger ISPs in the US that are vertically integrated content producers from charging either content producers or their customers more money to access outside content. It keeps the content production business decoupled from the data transit business.

This is only required due to the fact that in the US most regions have a monopoly or duopoly in the ISP space, thanks to shitty regulations at the regional levels, and of course the last-mile infrastructure problem.

Hopefully this has been described simply enough. Anyone shrugging off NN either doesn't understand, or lacks the power of extrapolation.

Cooper Murphy
Cooper Murphy

The fuck makes you entitled for good service?
I pay outrageous prices for shitty internet and thanks to ISP lobbying and mergers there are only 2 internet providers in my area.
here were honestly more small-time ISP's around back then because there wasn't a dirth of regulation
No it's because all the fucking ISPs merged and lobbied to keep everyone out, as companies tend to do. The "government" isn't some scary monster that comes out once and a while and growls at people, it's a two way street that consumers and businesses try to manipulate for their interest. Unfortunately those who profit from business make up a very small portion of the population but they have a lot of money to bribe the government with. Many restrictive and anti-competition regulations are put in place by the companies in power through the government, the solution isn't less government, the solution is for the consumers to take it back.

Isaac White
Isaac White

because they go to jail for circumvention

Jose Walker
Jose Walker

What's your point?
That there's a technical difference between using TOR and using base64 on the clearweb.
and?

Hunter Long
Hunter Long

I pay outrageous prices for shitty internet and thanks to ISP lobbying and mergers there are only 2 internet providers in my area.
then don't pay for internet?

Samuel Brown
Samuel Brown

You do realise, that Title 2 regulation is the "normal" regulatory environment where all legislation is globally binding, negative (read, in (((expectation))) of damages), and blanket statement.
Under Title 1, the "lightweight" regulatory environment, you can't as easily impose such regulations without having to sue all local jurisdictions, and having proof positive of damages to the consumers (not just expectation of damages).

Under information services, the only good legal arguement one can make has to start from user expectations. Ie, does this harm or help the capability of services in providing the capacity to acquire/transform/publish/... information? Which is not far from asking: Does this harm the user's capacity to acquire/... information through such services?

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