What are your thoughts on the "EM Drive" or RF resonant cavity thruster?

What are your thoughts on the "EM Drive" or RF resonant cavity thruster?
I have noticed over the last few months with all the fuss over the elections there have no news about this or the Enterprise being researched by NASA for that matter.

I tried searching around, but the most recent thing you can find online are "discussions" by reddit faggots with "PhD" titles attached to their usernames on an ego trip. Incidentally I feel sad thinking science is consistently thwarted by this kind of ego-tripping faggots on one side and the need to commercialize everything on the other.

Anyway. Let's discuss future (?) propulsion technology. Here's a pajeet paper I found that looks intriguing. Feel free to post papers from more reputable sources.

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From what I know the chinese want to launch an EM drive in space to see if it works in real conditions. But I have no sources at hand.

I guess the problem is that nobody wants to touch the subject because of the fear of being called a free-energy-tard. Still, I know a lot of people that follow it casually, because of the intriguing results obtained so far.

I didn't read that paper, I saw the figures and the equations, and saw it wasn't worth it.

It may need to be destroyed when the time comes. We're not ready for this yet. Capitalism cannot be allowed to escape into space.

Somebody needs to tell Pajeet to brush up on his English before publishing a scientific paper. That PDF has some irritating grammatical errors.

is not at all known but the orbit in which its
revoluting is precisely known.

Seriously, who published this verbal diarrhea?

Elaborate on why it isn't worth it then, at least.


I think I agree. But perhaps "being ready" involves a lot of death. If the US has as half as much of black projects involving "future" technology as conspiracy theories suggest, there are only two ways in which they are going to see the light:
1. US gets totally annihilated and invaded in a war, and the winning party decides to be more open about technology than they were (instead of going Operation Paperclip on it).
2. Some discovery that makes them obsolete is done outside of the US and is made public. Efforts to contain it fail.

Alternative no. 1 would only work out if the amount of death and devastation was such that even the super elites were effectively decimated. Otherwise they would just switch sides as always and everything would keep going under a new rule.
Such a conflict would see the population of the Earth brought down to ridiculous madmax levels.

The paper describes the energy released from an array of electrons spun in a circle by an electromagnetic field as similar to that of a nuclear fission reaction, where the energy released by one neutron colliding with a uranium atom is the same as the energy needed to set that neutron in motion, but the fact that many other atoms are split from the chain reaction of the first collision. They don't seem to account for the energy needed to maintain this spinning circle of electrons in the first place though?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

What's next, you're going to tell me you're programmers as well?

*the fact that many other atoms are split from the chain reaction of the first collision results in a net energy gain

They describe the energy released by their setup similarly but don't seem to take into account the energy needed to establish their setup in the first place.

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Go to reddit and put a "phd" meme sticker next to your username, faggot.

Well, after reading many academic papers, I got a sense of what paper is worth reading. Fucked up equations show that the author didn't spend time to give the paper a minimum of clarity.

Thank you.

The way gubbermint works, the second this thing started showing some promise it immediately became a black project. The X-37B is up there for months testing something. Maybe it's been going to Mars and back. Or launching a test vehicle that makes the trip.

It's a load of crap. None of the few studies performed have been sufficiently rigorous to be convincing, and the effect hasn't been repeatable by all teams, suggesting it is the result of some unknown systematic error in their setup.

It's bullshit, but a fun quirk. Will probably be a great lesson in uni when it comes to eliminating noise in tests in the future.

Why the sage and the hostile tone? Are you afraid your worldview might get challenged? Jesus fucking christ I swear. That is cognitive dissonance at its finest, and there's not even anything to feel threatened by yet.
If it's nothing, then you don't need to be so confrontational, user. And nobody is going to take away your very expensive meme college certificate even if this turns out to be legit.

Make me faggot

Socialism can not work until matter itself becomes too cheap to meter, and when has anything been too cheap to meter?

Stop being such a sensitive faggot. They gave you a reply, even if it wasn't the one you wanted.

Stop being a whiny bitch. The EM Drive is unproven at best, and possibly an outright fraud. There isn't even a clear theory as to how it works, _if_ it works.

youtube.com/watch?v=jCAqDA8IfR4&t=499s

It works but for the amount lift it actually produces, you would need about one million of these drives to lift one human, let alone anything else...

The thing about scientific theory is that it changes over time. Knowledge that was adequate for one era may need updating when new observations are made. There's no fraud involved here, only observations that don't match up with the current theories.

It's bunk.

youtube.com/watch?v=hqoo_4wSkdg

Not yet.

I'm not being the sensitive faggot. If anything you are mate.


Case in point.


I think it would be a matter of finding a really good energy source. It always comes down to that.


What I find most suspicious is that of course there are no papers disproving it (the burden of proof blah blah...), but the people who were claiming it worked aren't publishing public statements saying "oh, nevermind, we were wrong and this is exactly where we messed up" either.
Instead, the statements coming out from people who were experimenting (if any at all) are more along the lines of "oh, we are going to drop this potentially world-changing project because it's too difficult to test properly, so it's probably nothing". I mean, come on.
This thing has gone underground. I'm not saying underground as in secret military black project, but at least being researched behind closed doors for commercial applications.
Space now belongs to the corporations anyway.

Yes?
I work with graphics tech that came out recently. Mainly C++.

It is true however that it has not been tested enough, and chances are that its most likely wrong.

Im saying this wishing for the engine to work, but I dont have any high hopes.

Are you developing pseudo 3D VR anime waifus? Can you hook me up brother?

Go back to /x/ where your rambling is more acceptable.

What's hostile about saying that there's noise in the data? The only way to test this is in space, where its real applications are anyways. Until then, it's bunk. But, it will be a great lesson in the future when it comes to the importance of isolating noise.

I agree about capitalism and space, They'll scar the fucking moon forever just to mine it.


but what do you think is going to happen to all the businesses when 3d Printers are advanced enough to become Molecular printers?

All the garbage on earth and all the landfills will become "goldmines" and converted into cheap matter for creating things like computers, shoes and clothes. possibly even foods and meats.

The US government tried it. NASA tried it. Actually reputable institutions tried it.

Shit doesn't work fam.

gregegan.net/SCIENCE/Cavity/Cavity.html

Wow that guy sounds like a faggot.

I love Greg Egan as a sci-fi writer, but seriously dude.