Xubuntu vs debian+xfcewhich do you guys think is a better setup?

Joshua Morales
Joshua Morales

xubuntu vs debian+xfce

which do you guys think is a better setup?

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Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

An rpm-based distro with cinnamon, obv

Gavin Brooks
Gavin Brooks

Been meaning to try OpenSUSE. Never had the chance to yet but isn't it less stable than the previous mentioned? The point of my original post was intended in terms of stability. Sorry, I should've written that.

Zachary Mitchell
Zachary Mitchell

CentOS then, or even Mageia.

Luis Rivera
Luis Rivera

To be clear, OpenSuse is plenty stable if you choose the stable release.
I ran it for years.
Ubuntu is absolute unstable garbage.

Asher Perez
Asher Perez

Ubuntu has brand new and less tested packages, so I don't think it is stable (don't really know for sure, though). But Debian is pretty stable and I just have to reinstall the system when I fuck it up and don't know or can't bother to undo.

Jace Rodriguez
Jace Rodriguez

xubuntu doesn't completely equate to ubuntu to be quite honest. But I do get your point.

Also, I thought OpenSUSE was similar to arch in terms of stability? Sorry, I didn't look much into OpenSUSE so I don't have much info.

What's so great about redhat though that it's being mentioned a bit. Serious question. My knowledge only extends to debian based and arch.

Evan Sanders
Evan Sanders

if i had to choose between ubuntu and debian, debian of course....

Kevin Lewis
Kevin Lewis

Try out Rosa Linux, Korora 24 (not 25), and OpenSuse each for like a month.
One thing you will notice is no ppa dependency fuckery like in buntu, Rosa, Mageia and Korora keep "tainted" repos for nonfree shit. They also all have superior hardware support.
Debian is especially terrible at video in general.
Cinnamon is recommended for similar reason: simple like xfce but with working compositing and proper dual monitor and audio mixer support.
Arch and the most current non-rawhide Fedora are buggy testing garbage.

Try some out, you'll see.
I recommend Rosa, Korora, and Mageia especially. Nonfree repo for OpenSuse CAN be problematic, but even so is less bullshit than ppa.

Elijah Butler
Elijah Butler

I'll definitely keep those in mind! Thank you!

Isaac Jones
Isaac Jones

wheezy
Poor bait, but Wheezy's 4 years old.
3/10

Alexander Green
Alexander Green

That's a bad question, because you didn't specify your use case. I actually have both installed - Debian + Xfce for myself, and Xubuntu on a computer used by lots of others. They're both better than the other choice for those use cases.

If you want something that just works, go with Xubuntu. If you have special autistic needs (like ultra-stable or rolling release, not installing parts of Xfce you don't want in the name of Bloat, keeping all your packages Free-as-in-Stallman, etcetera) Debian is a better choice.

Jack Williams
Jack Williams

Compare that with antix, which one you think is better

Carson Myers
Carson Myers

I have an idea: don't use a ppa.

Ubuntu and Debian still have the highest number of packages available in their repos, both free and non-free, so you might not need them at all.

OpenSUSE has two releases: Leap and Tumbleweed. Leap is a stable release with 2 years of support, while Tumbleweed is an unstable Rolling Release with bleeding-edge packages.

Leap is pretty comfy and the wiki is very good. You'll miss YaST in other distros, I guarantee.

John Gonzalez
John Gonzalez

windows tier "redhat/systemd linux" gnu trash
better setup?
OpenBSD + dwm/i3

Joshua Turner
Joshua Turner

not using systemd in 2017
DELET THIS

Kayden Cooper
Kayden Cooper

MemeBSD

Charles Diaz
Charles Diaz

Give me one good reason not to install OpenBSD right now. I double dare you.

Let's start with a pro: the puffer fish is kawaii

Benjamin Fisher
Benjamin Fisher

Ubuntu for convenience, Debian for stability. You can compile programs for pretty much anything but having a package is more convenient.
I'm on Solus right now. Great distro but it's repos are tiny. You start to appreciate packages more when you can't do your work because you're compiling something.

Colton Wilson
Colton Wilson

Because it's a long and autistic process because sane installers are bloat.

Jaxson Murphy
Jaxson Murphy

nvidia gpu

Christopher Richardson
Christopher Richardson

Also, I thought OpenSUSE was similar to arch in terms of stability?

It's really time to dispense with the Arch = lol enjoy your broken Xorg maymay. I have been using Arch full time for over a year and it has been stable and required very little administrative intervention because of updates. Just things like moving a *.pacnew configuration file and making a couple of edits if a software package has had a major upgrade. Maybe once every 2-3 months.

Anyway, opensuse Tumbleweed is their rolling release version that might be comparable to Arch. Their main version isn't rolling release and is stable.

To answer the question in OP, if your priority is stability and your choices are Ubuntu or Debian, I guess go with Debian stable. Your software will be quite old, but well tested. I don't recommend Debian testing, because it does not consistently receive security updates. Testing and sid are for people who want to help the Debian project by testing newer software and reporting bugs. There are better options for daily drivers.

Brody Cox
Brody Cox

I haven't used OpenBSD much, but I was pleasantly surprised by its installer. You can make it long and autistic if you disagree with all its suggested choices, but it usually shouldn't take long or be hard.

Eli Ortiz
Eli Ortiz

xubuntu vs debian+xfce

which do you guys think is a better setup?

Neither, stop being a faggot and Install Opensuse Tumbleweed with KDE

Angel Lopez
Angel Lopez

hardware acceleration

Cooper Bell
Cooper Bell

I have an AMD APU lappy, will open bsd work?

Hudson Collins
Hudson Collins

A desktop interface that is not autism-tier.

inb4 pretty desktops are "bloat".

Ayden Gray
Ayden Gray

Most heavy-duty GNU interfaces like KDE and Gnome ARE bloated as fuck though, you can have a decent interface that doesn't feel bloated and sluggish Take Windows for example

Jackson James
Jackson James

debian started as a simple linux for the masses
masses demand more features
has to add bloat programs to compete.
becomes slow.
centos/redhat started as a simple debian for the masses
masses demand more features
has to add bloat programs to compete.
becomes slow.
ubuntu started as a simple centos/redhat for the masses
masses demand more features
has to add bloat programs to compete.
becomes slow.
xubuntu started as a simple ubuntu for the masses
masses demand more features
has to add bloat programs to compete.
becomes slow.
debian+xfce hailed as a simple xubuntu for the masses
masses demand more features
has to add bloat programs to compete.
becomes slow.
mint marketed as a simple debian+xfce for the masses
masses demand more features
has to add bloat programs to compete.
becomes slow.
puppy hailed as a simple mint for the masses
masses demand more features....

Every fucking OS I see has a "designed as lightweight, more user friendly version of X" as its history.

Is there any point in the future when we can just agree that it is impossible to design simple OS for the masses because they need certain idiot proofing features that can't be simple?

Carter Reed
Carter Reed

How much autism does OpenBSD require compared to Slackware? I always wanted to try it out.

Nolan Russell
Nolan Russell

ubuntu started as a simple centos/redhat for the masses
u wot

Aaron Carter
Aaron Carter

debian + gnome 3 is superior tbh.

those menus too many of you faggots demand encourage nothing but clicking. gnome encourages using the keyboard. learn your cli and debating over environments becomes purely pathetic. sage because op is inane.

Carson Sanders
Carson Sanders

Im on Xubuntu and tried Debian+ XFCE and prefer Xubuntu THB. Everything just werks. But I am a Linux pleb so take that as you will.

I am running OpenSUSE Leap on my work PC and zypper is super nice.

Zachary Edwards
Zachary Edwards

So just install XFCE then?

Asher Smith
Asher Smith

templeOS is simple and lightweight

Aaron Hill
Aaron Hill

is that the default XFCE look in debian? it's pretty eye friendly. Your kernel is ancient tho.

Josiah Hill
Josiah Hill

actually devuan+xfce

Michael Perez
Michael Perez

Having used Xubuntu for the last 6 years, It's a piece of shit on my laptop. No option to shutdown bluetooth automatically on start-up, half the time wifi doesn't work coming out of sleep, and logging out sometimes causes the screen to go back (can't even switch to another view by pressing ctrl+F#), and when I wake it from sleep when connected to another monitor, half the time it crashes.

God damn shame. Only reason I put up with it is that all DE's are fucking garbage on Linux. This is a sad fact. I'd like to use KDE, but the fact that it needs a fucking load screen just to start the DE is a joke.

Lincoln Stewart
Lincoln Stewart

Should have mentioned, I'm using an X201 with an i5, SSD, and 8gb ram.

If anyone has had better luck with another distro/de, let me know.

Tyler Collins
Tyler Collins

wifi doesn't work on resume
https://askubuntu.com/questions/452826/wireless-networking-not-working-after-resume-in-ubuntu-14-04

Ryan Green
Ryan Green

can't even switch to another view by pressing ctrl+F#
Ctrl+Shift+F#. Remember Ctrl+F# is only for when you're already in a TTY.

Blake Campbell
Blake Campbell

See above, get an RPM distro and use Cinnamon.
Easiest would be Korora

Kevin Lee
Kevin Lee

No hypervisors with pcie passthrough support.

Owen Martin
Owen Martin

with pcie passthrough support.
That's an extremely specific and rare use case.

Easton Perez
Easton Perez

It's my use case, and on linux it lets you have full performance windows games in a VM. I think it's a pretty good reason not to use openBSD.

Jason Edwards
Jason Edwards

Neither.

install gentoo

Daniel Green
Daniel Green

open nautilus
try to typeahead to the folder I want
it does a full recursive search
GNOME encourages Applefag mouse users

Adam Edwards
Adam Edwards

Definitely not as niche as you'd think.
It's the deal breaker for me too.

Evan Jackson
Evan Jackson

i prefer MATE or lxqt or lxde myself

Daniel Gutierrez
Daniel Gutierrez

xfce

Tyler Reyes
Tyler Reyes

I've been using nothing but Linux distros on X201, and I only had some very minor annoyances when I was running vanilla Arch but that's because I didn't know how to implement everything by myself. Since leaving Arch I've been using Mint Cinnamon and it works really great by default. Try Mint 17.3 or 18.1.
Bluetooth can be shutdown on boot through various means, e.g. you could add "rfkill block bluetooth" somewhere, or you could modify /etc/bluetooth/ configs. Just search the web.

Samuel Rogers
Samuel Rogers

Compiz.

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