Removing botnet from car

Xavier Martinez
Xavier Martinez

Why is that there's basically no instructions on internet forums on how to remove the cell phone botnet from your car? It's pretty indicative that nobody's bothering to do it.

I spent some time searching around how to remove the cell phone in newer models (usually marketed as some kind of safety feature which you can call in). They send diagnostic data to the car manufacturer and have been a security vector for getting remotely hacked.

hurr that's what you get for using a car made after 2009
I don't want to drive in a piece of shit and the longer these things are around, most used cars will have them too eventually.

Eventually, I realized Toyota calls it a DCM and the generic name is a "Telematics Transceiver". Without that knowledge, it's impossible to find any practical information online. Unfortunately, the vehicle service manual says removing it requires removing the entire fucking instrument panel from the car, basically ripping out the entire front section interior. It's placed deep, deep inside the car. Fuckers.

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/
http://chris.illmatics.com/about.html
http://illmatics.com/remote%20attack%20surfaces.pdf
http://illmatics.com/Remote%20Car%20Hacking.pdf
Tyler Cox
Tyler Cox

Just build a GNU/Golf cart

Nathaniel Ross
Nathaniel Ross

I don't want to drive in a piece of shit and the
Are you seriously implying every car made before 2009 is a piece of shit? Are you actually implying a car from 2008 is a piece of shit?

Nigger, gas mileage and power to weight ratios unless it's a hybrid have changed very little since the early 2000s if at all. A 2002 Civic gets about 30 combined MPG. A 2009 Honda Civic also gets about 30 combined MPG (it might actually be a tad worse do to increased weight vs earlier gens) basically it's the same inline 4 and only a slightly revised Engine Control Unit.

Andrew Wood
Andrew Wood

I've heard people in auto forums pulling the antenna connection off the box. You're right, it's pretty rare. Do you have to pull the entire module these days?
Excuse me while I check in to Facebook with my position update from my iPhone so Uber can pick me up lol.

Christian Smith
Christian Smith

Go to a mechanic and ask them to take it out/disable it. If they won't do it, citing "muh OEM reccommendation" just go to a mechanic in the hood. Also,
Implying early 2000's vehicles are any less reliable
Implying they won't serve you for many many years as long as you keep up on service

Jonathan Hill
Jonathan Hill

I find this sort of manufacturer control even more insidious than computer backdoors.

Connor Smith
Connor Smith

Why is that there's basically no instructions on internet forums on how to remove the cell phone botnet from your car?
What did he mean by this?

Jason Price
Jason Price

He's seriously implying every car made before 2009 is a piece of shit. As if 2009 was a turning point in the world of car manufacturing.

Jose Campbell
Jose Campbell

Many new cars these days come with a built in cell modem that uploads telemetry from the car to the manufacturer. They then package and resell the data, usually including locations to whoever wants it. The cell modem can also be used to hack the car. OP wants to disable it and was looking for instructions. Here's an older article about it.
https://www.wired.com/2015/07/hackers-remotely-kill-jeep-highway/

Landon Barnes
Landon Barnes

So there's a cell modem in cars that work without limit and without the car owner directly paying for the connection? Why don't people hijack that connection for free cell modem data?

Elijah Gutierrez
Elijah Gutierrez

I don't want to drive in a piece of shit
car made before 2009
piece of shit

Cameron Nguyen
Cameron Nguyen

What if you put some metal around the antenna to keep from sending data?

You could also import a car from a third-world country. They remove all those """features""" because there is no infrastructure in those places to use it; so a Toyota bought in Mexico will not have that shit enabled, but will still have the instrument panel.

Sauce?

Nicholas Perez
Nicholas Perez

Sauce?
Consider reverse image search and maybe kill yourself while you're at it, you redditfag.

Ayden King
Ayden King

It's locked to the manufacturer. I imagine a hacker with the skillset to unlock it has easier methods of getting free cell minutes.

Ethan Morris
Ethan Morris

Why is that there's basically no instructions on internet forums on how to remove the cell phone botnet from your car?
Because anyone interested in that is also more likely to have a decent knowledge of maintaining a vehicle and has no problem maintaining something older.

the longer these things are around, most used cars will have them too eventually.
Rising insurance premiums on anything that isn't self driving in the mid 2030s (during which time self driving cars would start approaching 50% of the vehicles on the road if they get introduced in 2022-2024 like companies have said they would) will start making non self driving cars a non option for anyone who doesn't have quite a bit of money. By that time a car from before 2009 would be about as old as a car from the early 90s now, ie still viable as a daily driver.

Liam Howard
Liam Howard

Removing botnet from a car might seem a little petty, but the agriculture industry has been fucked horribly by DRM. You "license" tractors instead of owning them, and if something breaks and you repair it yourself it won't work. It would be horrible to see that in consumer vehicles.
We're closing in on a future where you actually would have to pirate a car

Asher Hall
Asher Hall

Piece of shit
take a nice car oldtimer or not and exchange the engine and parts of the suspension.
You now have a old robust car with a powerfull and efficent engine

Anthony Moore
Anthony Moore

Without that knowledge, it's impossible to find any practical information online.
There are PDFs of the service manual everywhere you tard. Look in that.

Unfortunately, the vehicle service manual says removing it requires removing the entire fucking instrument panel from the car, basically ripping out the entire front section interior. It's placed deep, deep inside the car.
Oh noes, you mean you will have to do work? So it aint so user.

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

A quick jewgle turned up these pdfs from this guy
http://chris.illmatics.com/about.html
who seems to know his shit. Might get somebody (smarter than me) started in the right direction

http://illmatics.com/remote%20attack%20surfaces.pdf
http://illmatics.com/Remote%20Car%20Hacking.pdf

Luke Allen
Luke Allen

That's barely enough information to remove anything from any 2014 Jeep Cherokee. You cannot assume that the architecture is similar on other vehicles.

Nathan Gutierrez
Nathan Gutierrez

it's a jumping-off point. And anyways, looking into to de-botnet anything is more a mental exercise than something practical; there are so many attack vectors and potential adversaries have such resources that if they're after you, you're probably fucked already.

Andrew Perry
Andrew Perry

Niggers he's talking about driving a car on borrowed time. Sure, he can buy one from 2009 but by 2020 he'll be looking at major repairs that will add up quickly.

inb4 why not repair it yourself
Because once the drivetrain starts showing it's wear, it'll no longer be cost effective to buy the tools and invest the space/labor to repair it.

Samuel Gray
Samuel Gray

Nigger, gas mileage and power to weight ratios unless it's a hybrid have changed very little since the early 2000s if at all.
It depends on the model a lot. A 2001 Cherokee 4.0L I6 has 190hp 225ft/lbs torque, a 2009 Toyota Camry 3.5L V6 has 268hp 248 ft/lbs. Even though the Cherokee is lighter at 3190lbs compared to the Camry's 3516lbs, the Camry manages to get better mileage at 19/28 compared to the Cherokees 16/21.

Levi Foster
Levi Foster

Modern cars are a closed source mess, and literally no one can bother to figure out 1 of them let alone the variety of mess. It'll cost you a fortune to find someone that will remove one of those detector that slow you down if muh polution is a bit too high for some greenfag's sensibilities, let alone something like muh privacy.

Wyatt Gonzalez
Wyatt Gonzalez

I agree. That's why lead gas was so useful in retarding the world. Muh pollution. What did the environment ever do for us?

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

You "license" tractors instead of owning them, and if something breaks and you repair it yourself it won't work.
Jesus Christ.

Jonathan Collins
Jonathan Collins

Well, as long as you don't live in a shithole county that requires emission tests.

Elijah Hall
Elijah Hall

automotive industry was dead when uconnect was brought into existence. nope, actually when ECUs became a thing. I wont drive a car until I can get one with all mechanical parts

Jayden Morgan
Jayden Morgan

You unbelievable faggot. Read about the smog in Chinese cities. That's what emissions standards are there to protect against.

Cooper Hill
Cooper Hill

Think you'd be looking at early 70's or older to get points ignition. Bonus is it would still be driveable in event of EMP air bursts.

Isaiah Rivera
Isaiah Rivera

Yeah, let's wait until 2020 until we start talking about removing the botnet.

Ryder Hernandez
Ryder Hernandez

Sauce?

Kayden Sanchez
Kayden Sanchez

considering that tard was talking about covering the antena is foil rather than just unplugging it, yes he is serious

Hudson Edwards
Hudson Edwards

Bonus is it would still be driveable in event of EMP air bursts.
Along with most other cars. Nothing short of solar flare apocalypse will wipe out most cars. I bet you think an EMP from nukes will knock out amateur radio equipment that isn't plugged in as well.

Lucas Garcia
Lucas Garcia

Buy a GNU/Bike you fat fuck

Joseph Jackson
Joseph Jackson

Is this sort of thing in a 2015 mazda cx5?

Angel Bell
Angel Bell

this entire thread
jesus fucking christ

this tbh, bikes are pretty cheap and anything within 10 miles is easily commutable

Charles Flores
Charles Flores

bikes
not WTFPL licensed feet

Jack Turner
Jack Turner

Why is that there's basically no instructions on internet forums on how to remove the cell phone botnet from your car?
People who don't want botnet cars generally just don't buy them
New cars a shit anyway. They just have annoying things that beep at you for no reason, are ugly and have shit stereos you can't remove

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