free-will?

Josiah Martin
Josiah Martin

If you think you do, try this exercise.
Sit down, close your eyes, and stop thinking for 2minutes. Let no thoughts enter your mind.

You can't do it.
So how can you say you have free-will if you can't even control your thoughts.

Next try this, lift your arm up and put it down. Explain how you do this, step by step. You don't even know lmfao, it just happens and as it happens you get a "feeling" of control.

Check mate

Jaxon Hughes
Jaxon Hughes

The uncertainty principle dictates we do have some level of free will

/thread

Oliver Kelly
Oliver Kelly

The uncertainty principle

that only applies to taking measurements of atomic particles, has nothing to do with macro level phenomena.

some level of free-will

free-will is binary, you either have it or you don't.

Matthew Davis
Matthew Davis

that only applies to taking measurements of atomic particles, has nothing to do with macro level phenomena.

Wrong, it implies all particles in the universe have a zero-point energy and this is why they cannot be directly observed. Stephen Hawking believes this is why parallel dimensions must exist

Carson Cooper
Carson Cooper

I didn't raise my arm.
Hence I have free-will

Checkmate Tumblr.

Aaron Wilson
Aaron Wilson

it implies all particles in the universe have a zero-point energy and this is why they cannot be directly observed.

doesn't contradict what i said…
i think you missed the point

Jordan Lewis
Jordan Lewis

free-will is tumblr tier
you don't even know how you lift your arm or form a thought

uncertainty principle is misleading you with it's name lol. it doesn't imply that all forms of knowledge are uncertain, even if it did, such a conclusion would be self-defeating and meaningless

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

free-will is binary, you either have it or you don't.
Nice false premise.

Owen Jenkins
Owen Jenkins

you don't even know how you lift your arm or form a thought
I have never read a book
Do this: grab a brick. Now hit yourself on the back just bellow the skull.
Oh shit, you can't move your arms?
Fuck, must be the little things that connect your brain to the arms themselves.

Luis Scott
Luis Scott

What's your definition of free will?

Ian White
Ian White

Neophytes. (that's occult slang for newfags).

Justin White
Justin White

According to OP, you only have free will if you're a God and there's no human impossibility in your way.
Super baity shitty uncle thread basically

Dylan Wright
Dylan Wright

uncle
WTF. I wrote uncle. Whatever

Bentley Bailey
Bentley Bailey

Nevermind, new filter. At least I got dubs.

Nolan Phillips
Nolan Phillips

what's the uncle for?
cat's cradle?

Luis Lopez
Luis Lopez

nevermind, got it

Oliver Torres
Oliver Torres

tr-oll

Aaron Watson
Aaron Watson

Good for you, bro.

Grayson Foster
Grayson Foster

This is a cat's cradle thread?

Joseph Nelson
Joseph Nelson

OP, you have to clarify what you mean by free will.
Even if I can't clear my mind for 2 minutes, that doesn't negate free will.
I can't jump 10 metres in the air, does that mean that I don't have free will, since I don't have the freedom to do that?

I can do whatever I will. But what I will is not conuncled by me.
I can choose to buy ice cream, because I want to. But I can't choose to not want to buy ice cream. Even if I could choose, it would expose an underlying will (to want to "not want to buy ice cream"). What is the basis for this underlying will?

We are set in our ways, not in a "mean people can't turn into nice people" way, but in a predestined "the same personality, exposed to the same stimulus, will react the same way every time". You can see it in people with short term memory loss having the same conversation over and over.

Quantum bullshit doesn't have anything to do with free will. If I roll a dice to decide my action, that doesn't give me any more free will than if someone else was to decide. If neurons in my brain roll a dice to decide my action, my will isn't more free, it's outsourced to the dice.

Brandon Harris
Brandon Harris

conuncleing your own thoughts
the same as total Godlike omnipotence

wew

Kayden Gray
Kayden Gray

We do have free will because we're in a computer simulation. If our actions were conuncled then what would be the purpose of a simulation? Think a little idiot. This test is being run, and our free will determines the course and conclusion. If you don't think you have free will, then go buy a gun and shoot yourself. If you're being conuncled you wouldn't be able to do it, yet it happens all the time to people in their right mind who realize they've lost the game and want to abort the simulation.

Furthermore, assuming we lack free will, who then do you suggest really controls us? You might say, 'your unconscious controls you', but is our unconscious not a part of us? If our unconscious controls us, and it is a part of us, then we are still in control. Do you believe in divine destiny? Is destiny not itself simply a prediction of future events from a higher perspective? Destiny has no control over will, only knowledge of it. Do you believe god controls us? Why would god make us then in the first place, if he were omnipotent, what use would he have of puppets, rather he would have use of entertainment.

Joseph Bailey
Joseph Bailey

Even if I can't clear my mind for 2 minutes, that doesn't negate free will.

even if I can't control my own thoughts, I still have free will

even if I don't know how I control my body, I still have free will

Brandon Miller
Brandon Miller

clearing your mind for 2 minutes
Same as total Omnipotence

kek
hell, people can't clear their minds for 20 seconds, let alone 2 minutes

Luis Evans
Luis Evans

basic physiology is impossible to describe
Brain
neurons
signals
tense
arm movement
done.

Leo White
Leo White

physiology
missing the point

you might as well describe what happens atomically when you lift your arm

Andrew Rodriguez
Andrew Rodriguez

OP free will isn't an all or nothing proposition.

Just because you can't control motor functions at a micro level doesn't mean you have no control, you have some control.

No you can't stop your heart just by thinking about it, but you can sure as shit toss yourself off a building with the end result being [your heart = stopped]. I would argue that gives you more free will than not.

Free will is a human construct not an immutable, fundamental law of the universe.

Luke Hughes
Luke Hughes

neurons fire

yes all that happens without you knowing how or why lol

Christopher Scott
Christopher Scott

yep.

Connor Fisher
Connor Fisher

if you can't control your own thoughts and your own arms and legs, what kind of free-will do you imagine you have?

how do you lift an arm? you don't even know. If some kid asks you "wow how do you do that, tell me so I can try" you would shit your pants

Ian Clark
Ian Clark

because I don't personally know doesn't mean others wont

Jonathan Harris
Jonathan Harris

it is called spacing out, and I do it all the time

Cooper Gutierrez
Cooper Gutierrez

Describing the electrical and chemical processes associated with your brain sending a signal to the muscles in your arm isn't proof of free will.

Your logic is silly, college freshman year psuedo-philosophy.

Jack Sullivan
Jack Sullivan

the chemistry of it is irrelevant, no one moves their arm around by consciously doing chemistry or physics.

just like your hair growing or heart beating. the feeling of control is an illusion

Carter Johnson
Carter Johnson

Describing the electrical and chemical processes associated with your brain sending a signal to the muscles in your arm isn't proof of free will.

knowledge of chemistry is irrelevant, see

I'm talking about it subjectively, people don't know how they move their limbs around, "they just do it" — aka it "just happens" and it feels like they are in control.

similar if you meditate for a few minutes you realize you aren't even thinking thoughts, they just come and go on their own

William Peterson
William Peterson

OP is a fag

Bentley Hall
Bentley Hall

I'm talking about it subjectively, people don't know how they move their limbs around, how their thoughts form, how their choices are made == "they just do it" — aka it "just happens" and it feels like they are in control.

Ethan Edwards
Ethan Edwards

porn is so boring lol, are u a kid or something? get a hobby

Andrew King
Andrew King

I choose not to.

Jace Richardson
Jace Richardson

you were determined to.

Daniel Martin
Daniel Martin

mindfulness

Logan Ross
Logan Ross

does anyone know what kind of camera was used to film this?

Thomas Bailey
Thomas Bailey

false dilemma fallacy

Jonathan Cox
Jonathan Cox

false dilemma fallacy

you don't know how fallacies work

Chase Cooper
Chase Cooper

I mean, you could stop thinking, if you were serious about it. Meditation and shit.

Jonathan Powell
Jonathan Powell

he can't stop thinking
he doesn't know basic bodily functions
Fuck off, you novice.

Jordan Adams
Jordan Adams

someone give me sauce on that asian qt reading leviathan

Jose Nguyen
Jose Nguyen

Wow the dumbassery in this thread is over 9000! Faggots talking about brain chemistry and shit. FYI OP, free will is merely the ability of the mind to choose right from wrong. It's a moral/ethical concept. If I can't make myself fly that doesn't mean I don't have free will. It just means I can't fly. Nothing to do with morality.

Genius simplify things, idiots make them complicated.

tfw you use a hundred "big" words and don't actually say a single thing worthwhile.

Jaxson Hughes
Jaxson Hughes

It doesn't, it just also has fuck all to do with what he said too.

Daniel Diaz
Daniel Diaz

Nikon AWS 110

Dylan Powell
Dylan Powell

As a frequent meditator, I find two minutes to be pretty easy. Try doing it for hours at a time on retreat.

Josiah Price
Josiah Price

FREE WILL!

Adam Allen
Adam Allen

get it? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Gavin Walker
Gavin Walker

Nikon AWS 110
sweet, thanks bro

Ryder Davis
Ryder Davis

A good way to prove free will is not to try and figure out if you have free will or not, but to see if you can have less free will, because that's only possible if you have free will to lose.

And, as it turns out, it's entirely possible.
Back when I was into more occult play with my own mind, I could do all sorts of stuff with far less conscious input than normal, from walking to creative thinking.

Once tried to see if I could permanently reduce conscious thought since it was inferior to subconscious thought, but that backfired because my subconscious didn't want to take on that role and I lost my subconscious skillset for several months.

Carson Sanchez
Carson Sanchez

Muscles do not go limp by force, the brain may be the same. Also, I am not a neurologist, and those aspects of my body, I am not consciously aware of.

Neither of these have to do with free will, macrocosmicly that is. Though if we feel that control is inherent to our biology, then it exist as such. So free will exists, and ignoring it is not really something you can do unless your planning to be seriously delirious.

Brody Perry
Brody Perry

free will was invented by God, so it is real, but God created it so God is the boss of it.

Oliver Young
Oliver Young

stop thinking for 2 minutes

that's called meditation

you just need some practice at it, friend

can't explain how I lift my arm

Sure, I can. I decide that I want to move it, and my motor neurons fulfill this request. As a longtime sufferer of severe depression, I am quite familiar with the experience/sensation of wanting to do things that my body flatly refuses to get around to. I'm not my body. I'm not even my brain, or not the whole thing anyway. I am an observer and decision-maker at the center of my thought processes, the CPU which handles all the sensory and emotional data the other parts pass to me.

Christopher Davis
Christopher Davis

Got ourselves a theologian over here fellahs!

Gavin Cooper
Gavin Cooper

no

Jaxon Edwards
Jaxon Edwards

I declare the original poster of this thread be deemed a faggot.

Christian Harris
Christian Harris

I second this bowel motion.
Carried.

Justin Campbell
Justin Campbell

Sit down, close your eyes, and stop thinking for 2minutes. Let no thoughts enter your mind.
You can't do it.
So how can you say you have free-will if you can't even control your thoughts.

Don't know if other people have corrected this bullshit/possible bait, but if they haven't: It's already been pointed out that practiced meditators can do this. Regardless, not having full control over your cognition in ONE way doesn't mean you have no control over your thoughts. More realistic is that intuitive force meets conscious guidance of thought. Free will is the ability to choose between different possible courses of action. Not having full control over your cognition isn't a point that defeats the idea of having free will

Next try this, lift your arm up and put it down. Explain how you do this, step by step. You don't even know lmfao, it just happens and as it happens you get a "feeling" of control

Just because you don't know the mechanics of how something is done doesn't mean you don't have control over it

Caleb Hall
Caleb Hall

I like this

Jackson Martin
Jackson Martin

Every action has a cause, right?

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

fug :DDD

Austin Diaz
Austin Diaz

I have free will because I'm not going to do this, I see through your trickery.

Kevin Robinson
Kevin Robinson

The primary motor cortex, or M1, is one of the principal brain areas involved in motor function. M1 is located in the frontal lobe of the brain, along a bump called the precentral gyrus (figure 1a). The role of the primary motor cortex is to generate neural impulses that control the execution of movement.

Check mate.

Zachary Morgan
Zachary Morgan

lift your arm up and put it down. Explain how you do this, step by step. You don't even know lmfao
Well, first, I make the sub-concious decision to raise my arm. This could be from choice or even the power of suggestion.
Next, I conciously make the choice then my brain sends signals along neurons and nerves, down through my nervous system, the one attached to my spine, and into my arm.
Next, the muscles in my arm send signals they are ready to perform the task as it is in healthy, working order.
Finally, my muscles start to resond, flexing to bring my arm up, and in succession, down.
You completely misunderstand the theory of free will.
Everything we do is decided by our sub-conscience about half a second before we do it, therefore some people believe free will does not exist.
Not that we can't explain why, or clear out minds.

Carson Jackson
Carson Jackson

This is that theory of free wills non-existance.
To actually believe this, you have to start going into rediculous, new age phillosophy.
It really doesn't differ from religion. Still stinks of people trying to hide from their decisions by blaming some unknown, mystical force.

Adrian Morales
Adrian Morales

bull op is trying to steal me
look at the wordfilter or dont but they are succeeding

Leo Watson
Leo Watson

God created
Fucking kek, try again kiddo.

Adrian Torres
Adrian Torres

am no understand how gravity work? no? am no gravity!

Daniel Adams
Daniel Adams

I don't believe in free will, but these are some shit arguments, OP. Holy shit.

I was just searching for a reaction image to call OP a faggot and I stumbled across this image. I saved this about 4 years ago. What was I thinking? This isn't even a little funny.

Andrew Sanders
Andrew Sanders

I believe the point OP is trying to make is not whether free will exists, but whether you, the reader, possess free will, hence why you, the reader, should try the exercises and get to asking yourself these questions. Pointing out other people's qualities or abilities doesn't mean you also have them.

Colton Hernandez
Colton Hernandez

That's some 9gag tier humor there bruh

Oliver Turner
Oliver Turner

I believe the point the post you replied to was trying to make was that OP's exercises are bullshit and don't disprove free will at all. Whether you can stop thinking for 2 minutes or don't know how you move your arm doesn't disprove free will.

Adam Edwards
Adam Edwards

not able to clear and silence your mind for even two fucking minutes

Kill yourself

Lucas Roberts
Lucas Roberts

Free choice exists.
Free Will is theistic.
You can't literally do anything.
By the time you eliminate all the things you are limited from doing in the next few moments, you realize you have only a few things you can do. The impulses you have and your desires will make certain the outcome in such a fashion that it has been proven your mind often tricks you into believing other choices were even realistic, your decisions are made in your brain before you consciously realize it.

Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

No, it just implies all the possible actions are a future.

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