Leading geopolitics expert Robert Kelly from Berkeley released his prediction...

Grayson Rogers
Grayson Rogers

Leading geopolitics expert Robert Kelly from Berkeley released his prediction for the world's borders in 2040 last night. Thoughts?

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Ayden Adams
Ayden Adams

Wgat the fuck happened to Greenland???

Brandon Fisher
Brandon Fisher

What*

Landon Carter
Landon Carter

Not sure what the map is about, but the USA has been trying to buy Greenland for over a century.
There are USA military bases there, now the melting ice is making them obvious and there is some debate as to why they are there and what to do with them https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Iceworm
The island is also important in controlling the Atlantic, which the USA obviously wants.
Basically my scenario is:
Greenland votes on a referendum to leave Denmark.
USA invites them to join the federation in a lucrative deal.
They accept and join.

USA is already the biggest contributed to Greenland's budget, they are paying rent on a lot of facilities there.

Parker Taylor
Parker Taylor

Soviet Kazakhstan
u wot m8

Michael Johnson
Michael Johnson

Yeah I'm Danish so I know about that stuff all ready. I also think that Greenland should secede when they're ready. But I highly doubt they would join up with Burgerstan. Most of their major parties are leftwing (albeit mostly reformist) and unless Burgerstan changes it's ways I don't see it happening. What I think would be more likely is that they would form a union with their cousins in Nunavat. Clearly this is pure speculation though

Ian Lewis
Ian Lewis

Didn't mean to sage.

Adrian Cox
Adrian Cox

Nunavut*
Not to mention all the Toxic waste burgers have dumpedvthere.

Chase Gray
Chase Gray

I'm gonna quit typing now

Hudson Jackson
Hudson Jackson

viking education

Jaxon Gomez
Jaxon Gomez

But I highly doubt they would join up with Burgerstan.
There will be some bullshit poll (not unlike Panama), and then their politicians will Make a Decision(tm) without asking general public. Take a better look at how EU referendums happen: even if the result contradicts wishes of Capitalists, the vote results are either ignored or a re-voting happens until politically correct result is achieved.

Jackson Ward
Jackson Ward

I'm still drunk from last night.
Stop making me sad by being logical my dude.

Jace Gray
Jace Gray

Kuomintang back in power

Jordan Evans
Jordan Evans

The looks like the map equivalent of a fanfic.

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

Does he have any reasoning for his decisions what do any of those flags mean?

Jason Richardson
Jason Richardson

KMT retakes mainland china
Far-eastern, southern and northern republics break off from russia
Brittany and Occitania break off from France
catalonian and galician independence
Spain annexes Morroco and west sahara
Gaddafi is cloned and stabilises Libya
Greenland is independent but part of it becomes american and a bit in the south breaks off
Integralist brazil
Baja California independent
Portugal reestablishes colonies in Africa
independent epirus
The ents go to war
Did this guy break into Zizek's coke stash?

Cooper Miller
Cooper Miller

Pretty much nothing about this map makes sense.

Noah Lewis
Noah Lewis

Leading geopolitics expert Robert Kelly from Berkeley released his prediction for the world's borders in 2040 last night.
Source on him doing that map?

Juan Evans
Juan Evans

… Why the fuck would the municipality of Kujalleq secede from Greenland? There are like 7,000 people tops living there.

Joshua Bailey
Joshua Bailey

it took 17 posts for anyone to ask this
I just copied it from a thread on /pol/. I don't even think Kelly works at Berkeley University, and he is an asian expert, focusing on North Korea, not world politics.

Luis Thompson
Luis Thompson

There are four american military bases there, including a nuclear one. The USA pays 20%+ of the budget for Greenland renting that land.

Isaiah Bennett
Isaiah Bennett

Well at least it is asked, the thread you linked to on another hand…

Lucas Hall
Lucas Hall

I feel like the random edgy flags for lotsa places makes it pretty obvious he didn't.

Brody Russell
Brody Russell

WHY THE FUCK DO THE ARGIES HAVE THE FALKLANDS???

Lucas King
Lucas King

implying a few sheep farmers are worth fighting over

Oliver Hill
Oliver Hill

What about that gray patch between Latvia and Belarus? Also, when will Russia collapse according to him?

Jeremiah Fisher
Jeremiah Fisher

https://youtu.be/_gHdWBK1724

Never underestimate the British willingness to fight (especially after at-least lke 4 pints).

Regardless, the UK has like half a marine div stationed on the island, the argies don't even have enough landing craft to get their troops there. And there is fuck all chance of the UK giving it up. It is especially silly since there isn't a 32 county Republic: something that has an immensely larger chance of occurring.

Charles Evans
Charles Evans

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exclusive_economic_zone
Even a literal rock your country planted it's flag on gives you control over a quite large territory.

Mason Brooks
Mason Brooks

And apparently there is oil down there.
:^)

Oliver Miller
Oliver Miller

I too want to earn millions for drawing this skizofrenic map

Zachary Hall
Zachary Hall

I don't think the author of this map is gaining any money for that map.

Evan Jenkins
Evan Jenkins

The Posadists establish a base camp there and use it as the launch pad to meet their comrades in the stars

David Anderson
David Anderson

China
Wew, that's a hot take. Very unlikely that the Kuomintang would oust the CPC.
Greenland
realistic,although I don't see the US annexing its western coast. But they might get fed up with Denmark eventually
Russia splitting up
VERY UNLIKELY. Russia grants a lot of autonomous rights for the Sibirian nations.
Saudi-Arabia splitting up
Realistic, an understatement even. A Saudi civil war would be desastrous, and I doubt the House Saud could maintain power, so the flag would change
Iran turning secular
Maybe, not necessarily.
Libya still existing
Why the fuck, they are pretty much a failed state at this point
Canada becoming… nationalist?
Why? Canada are the biggest fucking liberal cucks on the planet.
Brazil turning fascist
It's more likely that they turn socialist. Is Brazilian Integralism still a political force today?
Catalonian and Occitanian independence
Maybe.
Khazakstan turning socialist
That's nice, but why?

I can't identify what's going on in Greece.

Colton Harris
Colton Harris

I would 100% move to Posadist Kazakhstan SSR tbh.

John Jackson
John Jackson

and even with all that nonsense STILL no United Ireland or Independent Scotland

Leo Rivera
Leo Rivera

all the geopolitical enemies of the US collapse and break apart
seems reasonable right?
This is Stratfor tier predictions

Landon Perry
Landon Perry

On the other hand, DPRK still holds out.

Caleb Baker
Caleb Baker

By the way, what the fuck is that Southern bay in Greenland? Reestablished Byzantine Empire in exile? Why would a state with only 50k inhabitants split up even further? Does anybody even live in the northern and east part of Greenland? Did seals form their own nation?

Juan Campbell
Juan Campbell

Why the fuck, they are pretty much a failed state at this point
Thats some Nice Imperialist Propaganda that you just spouted off
The Vast Majority of Libya is under control of the LNA and Tobruk-Gov
The only reason the Tripoli gov is alive at this point is US/NATO/EU Aid

Jeremiah Morales
Jeremiah Morales

Also, did anybody notice that Svalbard is going to declare independence and invades the northern coast of Scandinavia? How are they going to do that with only 2000 people?

John Powell
John Powell

That's just Norway user.

Ryan Russell
Ryan Russell

Catalonia AND Galicia separates
But no Euskadi, Valencia, Andalusia or Asturias.
Morocco becomes spanish clay for some reason.
There are more chances of the third republic becoming a thing that of that map becoming true.

Robert Cox
Robert Cox

Why did Greece magically shift to the East?

Carson Kelly
Carson Kelly

I guess the reason for Spain occupying Morocco is that the author of this map assumes some second Arab Spring in Morocco, deposing the monarchy, or, the conflict with West Sahara escalates. This leads to civil war. Spain, just deprived of Catalonia, turns nationalist and needs some nationalist success to make up for that, therefore intervening in Morocco to "keep the peace" and "protect the Spanish citizens of Ceuta and Melilla", annexing it in the process. EU doesn't exist anymore.

I'd say it's not too far-fetched.

Benjamin Gonzalez
Benjamin Gonzalez

Crimea joins some Kavkaz country
this doesn't make sense
the guy's shit all retarded and he draws like a fag

Sebastian Hill
Sebastian Hill

these are the socialist countries:
DPRK
Mongolian Peoples republic
Kazakh SSR
Cuba
Vietnam
laos

Joshua Gomez
Joshua Gomez

WHAT IS THAT MONSTROSITY IN GREENLAND

Bentley Jackson
Bentley Jackson

China gets taken over by reactionary KMT
Japan goes back to reactionary Militarism/Imperialism
NK stands Firm
Juche is the best governing ideology confirmed

Nathan Howard
Nathan Howard

China will go back to the ROC
Spain and Portugal will somehow redo imperialism in Africa
Greenland gets a weird fucking flag even though they already have one
Fascist Brazil
Baja California succeeds
Russian Federation collaspes
Some random Nordic flag attached to Greenland's penis
Greenland gets bigger because of their ice melting
Gaddafi's power is suddenly brought back or there's a flag referendum
Only 3 of these are plausible

Asher Brown
Asher Brown

Gaddafi's power is suddenly brought back
Um well mate….

Jayden Green
Jayden Green

Well that was one of the plausible options.

Kayden Johnson
Kayden Johnson

Shouldn't the Libyan people love Gaddafi at this point? Considering the living standard and welfare they had under him compared with the hellhole they have now

Jeremiah Morales
Jeremiah Morales

Most Libyans i speak to have a "Meh" attitude towards him
Most love all the West-Euro tier Social-Democratic programs he implemented
But most also hate the fact he got a fuckton of people killed in long running Border conflicts that Libya ended up losing

TLDR: Most seem to view him as a "decent" leader

Austin Price
Austin Price

Most Libyans i speak to
What is their typical class bg, tho?

Nathan Evans
Nathan Evans

Leading geopolitics expert Robert Kelly from Berkeley released his prediction for the world's borders in 2040 last night
Leading geopolitics expert
looks to me like he just shitposts on halfchan /b/

Lincoln Nelson
Lincoln Nelson

Working class as far as i know

Jack Myers
Jack Myers

UK still a thing
US still a thing
canada
middle east still the same
russia partitioned
nationalist china
balkans absloutelyautistic
spain gians territory in africa, but loses eastern provinces
some autistic nordic states
we know you made the map, OP.
and its fucking retarded. lurk two years before shitposting

Isaac White
Isaac White

american/israeli wishful imperialist thinking. smaller nation states are easier to bully, exploit or occupy w/ military and don't get in the way of big bullies. tribalism is not beneficial in a world where imperialist bullies exist.
interesting though, that burger imperialism even lusts after denmark/greenland, while the usa has not the slightest relation with that place. watch out guys.

Andrew Foster
Andrew Foster

this is the bad kind of autistic

Bentley Flores
Bentley Flores

so let me see if i get this straight, brazil, canada and japan turn facist, oh no will my animu go away?

Zachary Allen
Zachary Allen

still no Palestine

Hunter Hall
Hunter Hall

status quo Korea and Palestine
Cyprus fully independent and whole
Nigeria whole

but he has crazy shit like Portuguese recolonization of Africa and an Angola rump state, minority rule in Zimbabwe again, Independent Kashmir (wtf), Integralist Brazil
Balkanized Russia and France but Turkey is whole

Jeremiah Hall
Jeremiah Hall

Canada is proto-fash right now and Brazil is about to elect Bolsonaro.

Carson Gonzalez
Carson Gonzalez

What is that random ass Hordic country on the tip of new(tm) Greenland?

Jeremiah Thompson
Jeremiah Thompson

that map looks like a failed crisis in the kremlin playthrough and about as realistic

Austin Kelly
Austin Kelly

RoC controls mainland again
What the fuck was this mapmaker smoking

Ayden Taylor
Ayden Taylor

Are we all just going to ignore how Greenland sprouted an entire peninsula from its southern tip?

The fuck was this guy on?

Camden Gonzalez
Camden Gonzalez

they're gonna do the same thing china is doing with those manmade islands or whatever

Matthew Ortiz
Matthew Ortiz

Let's not forget there's some retarded purple Nordic flag at the tip of it.

Christopher Ortiz
Christopher Ortiz

op said the pic was just something he snagged from /pol/
obviously it's gonna be fucking retarded.

Jordan Watson
Jordan Watson

Occitania independent
I don't even need to see the rest of the map to be sure the whole map is bullshit, and I'm from Occitania.

Austin Torres
Austin Torres

Every single other super power besides the US collapses
US is somehow still whole
USA does imperialism to Greenland
ROC (which is friendly to the US) gains power thus creating two US superpowers
Every single American Ally is unharmed
Greenland, Brazil, Canada, Spain, Portugal, Libya, Kazakhstan, Iran, and a few unseen countries all completely reorganize with new flag to show
Greenland grows a penis
Another country forms on the penis
Reconquista by Spain
Siberia Balkanizes to a stupidly unrealistic level (instead of United Siberia)
DPRK exists without China to back them
Both Palestine and Israel exist
This make makes me wish the French Revolution went the America

Luis Hughes
Luis Hughes

america still exists
into the trash it goes

Ian Campbell
Ian Campbell

Here's my prediction for the world's borders

Jaxon Long
Jaxon Long

ROC annexes PRC
Portugal conquers western Angola and Mozambique
Haiti conquered by Dominican Republic
Burgerland takes a portion of Greenland
South Africa annexed Namibia
Canada, Greenland and Brazil change their flags for some fucking reason (are they supposed to be fascist?)
Soviet Kazakhstan
basically any territory that can declare independence does and the whole fucking Earth is insanely balkanized

Dominic Allen
Dominic Allen

Kuomintang resurgence
HAHAHAHHA
WHAT THE FUCK, THEY ARE A LITERAL DEAD PARTY, THERE'S MORE RESPECT ON THE MAINLAND FOR CHIANG THAN TAIWAN, THEY LOSE TO FUCKING SOCIAL DEMOCRATS DUDE
AHAHAHAHAHA

Lucas Jones
Lucas Jones

Green Libya
I like

Nathaniel Morgan
Nathaniel Morgan

Saif al Islam Kidafi is running for president
Okay maybe this guy is right.

Joshua Kelly
Joshua Kelly

All other countries are run by little girls…

Xavier Bell
Xavier Bell

No more fucking around, leftypol. We ought to all move to Kazakhstan and be the vanguard.

Gabriel Gomez
Gabriel Gomez

Holla Forums would be able to pull a coup, having any sort of congress or meeting between all of these irreconcilable tendencies? Nah

Chase Robinson
Chase Robinson

I fail to see how Karelian separatism could even contextualize, considering that less than 10% of the population in the federal republic of Karelia speak Karealian. Also if this kind of separatism was alive, I think it would be far more likely that they would join Finland considering the cultural and linguistic ties.

Levi Martinez
Levi Martinez

I die a little inside knowing retards like this guy get paid to post bullshit like this.

Benjamin Long
Benjamin Long

nationalist Canada
Short of some severe crises, I can't see this happening.

Carson Jackson
Carson Jackson

Greenland gets hit with a suborbital meteor that rearranges the coast and then goes fash(?)
Japan gets coup'd by their navy
Pootin chokes on a condom, dies and allows everybody to break away from his space-filling empire like it's Kaiserreich or some shit
Portugal gets her colonies in Africa back for reasons
Brittany breaks away for reasons
South Africa takes Rhodesia back
Hue and Leafland go fash(?)
u wot m8?

Angel Martinez
Angel Martinez

Hold the phone. As much as I love making fun of /pol/'s retarded map, do we have any sort of proof that the guy actually made it?

Carson Gutierrez
Carson Gutierrez

No, we don't. /pol/ was just making shit up, as usual

Alexander Green
Alexander Green

You know that controlling the majority of land doesn't mean controlling the majority of the population and resources? I know that the area under the control of the Tripoli government is significantly more populace than that of the LNA-controlled territory.

Jace Kelly
Jace Kelly

Wew, I shoulda known. Ah well, this was still a fun thread.

Connor Morgan
Connor Morgan

Integralist Brazil

John Ramirez
John Ramirez

las Malvinas son argentinas

David Johnson
David Johnson

How about a Posadist India?

Camden Cox
Camden Cox

In the late 1960s the Posadists became increasingly interested in UFOs, claiming they were evidence of socialism on other planets.[3] The movement became increasingly esoteric and New Age.[citation needed] The Posadist movement declined until Posadas' death in 1981, after which the movement largely collapsed.

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Luis Hughes
Luis Hughes

B-b-b-but look at all that fine sand they own!!! Imperialists btfo!!!!

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

Occitania when Occitan culture has nearly died out
United Libya
Kuomintang China
Uyghur independence
Integralist Brazil
Kashmir independent
Russia divided, especially regions with little regional identity or nationalism
Crimea part of the Caucasus
North and South Korea
Portuguese Empire
Greenland divided
Spanish Empire
Muh Malvinas
I've seen worse autism, but this was pretty triggering.

David Campbell
David Campbell

Quebec still not independant
Greenland all fucked up
Part of Greenland becomes Burgerland colony
Scotland still not idependant
Catalonia is not under CNT rule
China goes full liberal
Korea not reunified under Best Korea
Russia balkanized even further
Japan becomes an empire again
Brazil becomes Integralist
No independant Kurdistan
No independant Tibet
Morocco, Mozambique and parts of Angola become European colonies
Puerto Rico still a Burgerland colony
Ireland still not reunified
No autonomous Zapatismo, liberal bourgeois regime takes over

I don't want to live in this world, comrades.

Colton Diaz
Colton Diaz

Broke: volunteering to fight for r*java
Woke: volunteering to fight for the 2nd Jamahiriya

Luke Gray
Luke Gray

Quebec under a fascist Anglo-Canadian regime? Ah bin tabarnak, on ramène le FLQ câlice!

Aaron Lewis
Aaron Lewis

protofash Canada
Sadly, this is pretty much true.

Elijah Brooks
Elijah Brooks

Its like the worst game of Millenium Dawn imaginable.

Anthony Richardson
Anthony Richardson

The swords on the flag kinda suggest that it's a military junta.

Brandon Richardson
Brandon Richardson

My own experience with CF personnel has shown me that the military has zero interest in trying to run the country. The absolute most that could possibly happen would be martial law in places like rural BC to keep first nations from blowing up pipelines

Wyatt Edwards
Wyatt Edwards

So then it's good ol' fashion fascism? Do we even know where we can actually get explanations about this map?

Christopher Allen
Christopher Allen

New fascist Axis form: Tokyo-Ottawa-Brasília
Sounds like something out of a /pol/ack's wet dream.

Luke Ward
Luke Ward

DR conquers Haiti
Portugal reconquers Angola and Mozambique
Spain reconquers Morocco
KMT restored in mainland China
Brazil becomes fascist
Rhodesia restored
Pahlavi dynasty restored
Palestine still divided
Ireland still divided
Korea still divided
Yugoslavia still divided
No independent Kurdistan
No independent Puerto Rico
Saudi Arabia still exists
Ukkkraine still exists
TurKKKey still exists
Straya and New Zealand still have colonial flag
Japan adopts imperialist flag
Brazil becomes fascist

Some shitty predictions there

Evan Hall
Evan Hall

separatism in France
lol yeah, no

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

You forgot fascism/military junta in Canada.

Chase Butler
Chase Butler

trusting prediction of more than 20 years in the future
believing the map without proof the guy even made
trusting an asian geopolitical expert for global borders
Sasuga, Holla Forums. Good to see see still fall for /pol/yps (especially nu-4/pol/‘s, fucking really) bullshit.

Adam Bailey
Adam Bailey

Why are /pol/yps such fucking liars?

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