Preserving Your Own Language

Robert Lewis
Robert Lewis

Anyone else disturbed by the recent rise of Esperanto in the left?
Now liberal sources are pushing for this culture destroying imperialist language.
The goal of Esperanto is to replace local cultures and make us culturally and emotionally dependent on the capitalist class.
Any good Marxist knows to oppose Esperanto. Leaders like Stalin recognized the threat of internationalist liberal cosmopolitanism and removed it before it did damage to the Soviet Union.
Do not fall for this anti-communist linguistic trap. Learn your local dialects and languages instead. That's how to truly build a community of workers. At the grassroots level.

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/dec/06/saluton-the-surprise-return-of-esperanto

https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/29/8672371/learn-esperanto-language-duolingo-app-origin-history

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/06/13/413968033/esperanto-is-not-dead-can-the-universal-language-make-a-comeback

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/dec/06/saluton-the-surprise-return-of-esperanto
https://www.theverge.com/2015/5/29/8672371/learn-esperanto-language-duolingo-app-origin-history
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2015/06/13/413968033/esperanto-is-not-dead-can-the-universal-language-make-a-comeback
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto#Classification
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=A87ECBB483BF27F182F31626527035A6
Easton Cook
Easton Cook

inb4 cluless americans come here calling op reactionary

Aiden Miller
Aiden Miller

OP i agree with everything except this

That's how to truly build a community of workers. At the grassroots level.

Makes me a little cautious because it has become a cosmopolitan liberal cliche in itself and is often used as a way to diffuse mass movements or seizing really wider power

Michael Reed
Michael Reed

The goal of Esperanto isn't to replace your native language. Esperantists are overwhelmingly anti-globalist. Its just a way for people from different cultures to share their cultures and communicate on equal ground.

Leo Clark
Leo Clark

holy fuck it's just a hobbyist language that has no aspect for taking over anything, you need to take a chill pill and stop pulling out the "DADDY STALIN SAID IT WAS BAD."
The goal of Esperanto is to replace local cultures and make us culturally and emotionally dependent on the capitalist class.
can you provide anything more than the hottest of takes

Levi Russell
Levi Russell

It literally is reactionary though. Telling people not to learn things is a clear sign you're part of a cult. If people want to learn a language who are you to stop them?

Gavin Bennett
Gavin Bennett

Then how do you suggest we build bonds with people across linguistic barriers at the local immediate level?
For better or worse, English is already the international language, but unlike the Anglos, most countries are multilingual and trust needs to be built somehow.

Tyler Walker
Tyler Walker

Hey guis let's create a global language!
<USES LIKE 5 INDO-EUROPEAN ONES FROM THE WEST OF CONTINENTAL EUROPE

Esperanto is shit. All conlangs are shit.

Wyatt Watson
Wyatt Watson

Esperantists are the biggest cult members. They go around claiming to speak an international language (it's really a European language with Hungarian grammar), and then attack you and call you an oppressive imperialist if you don't learn their made up language.
They are a cult. They worship a former zionist, the creator of the language, Zamenhof.

Jeremiah Turner
Jeremiah Turner

Anyone else disturbed by the recent rise of Esperanto in the left?
no
recent
lol
Any good Marxist knows to oppose Esperanto. Leaders like Stalin
Stalin's orders to spy on, detain, and execute members of esperanto study groups in the late 30's was part of his impotent purging spree, nothing more.

Matthew Brown
Matthew Brown

A true attempt for an international langauge would be a mixture of Chinese, Arabic, Swahili, and Russian. That way everyone has an equal footing.
It makes no sense to speak a made up of a language based on something mostly spoken in Mexico, with some French, German, Greek, and Russian mixed in.

Elijah Stewart
Elijah Stewart

The goal of Esperanto is to become a universal secondary language. Unlike imperialist English, which is actively destroying culture around the world as we speak right now, it is not meant to replace your native language. It couldn't do it even if it tried to, because it barely has any culture of its own. Meanwhile English has a fucking economic superpower backing it and a propaganda machine that has achieved such an efficiency that every corner of the world constantly watches its propaganda movies made in Hollywood and eats the same shitty food made in McDonals.

Esperanto could be an effective tool against the cultural influence of the American Empire, it could successful replace English without posing any danger to local cultures and remove the language barriers between the oppressed nations of the world.

But instead you are sucking American dick and betraying your own supposedly anti-imperialist principles because you fear that you would lose your privileged position as a native speaker and face foreigners as your equals.

Jayden Butler
Jayden Butler

Stalin chose to purge Esperantists because they were conversing with counterrevolutionaries abroad. Thousands of these bourgeois footsoliders were threatening the socialist project.

Connor Roberts
Connor Roberts

If people want to learn a language who are you to stop them?
Civil liberties must be suspended after a revolution otherwise the capitalist rule in other countries will triumph through cultural victory.
What you can offer is economical and political freedom, but civil must be depurated from the capitalist filth

Jason Wood
Jason Wood

with Hungarian grammar
lmao no, don't talk about shit you don't understand

Joshua Fisher
Joshua Fisher

So don't you think it's smarter to know their language than to not know their language if it becomes popular? Honestly you should know as many languages as you can. Language divides the working class far more easily than any idpol does. I know this first hand from living in Quebec.

Jayden Lopez
Jayden Lopez

it's really a European language with Hungarian grammar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto#Classification
The phonology, grammar, vocabulary, and semantics are based on the Indo-European languages spoken in Europe. The sound inventory is essentially Slavic, as is much of the semantics, whereas the vocabulary derives primarily from the Romance languages, with a lesser contribution from Germanic languages and minor contributions from Slavic languages and Greek.
The Hungarian language is Finno-ugric and not Indo-Euroean.

Oliver Cox
Oliver Cox

Esperanto's vocabulary is mostly a mixture of European languages.
It's grammar is non-European in the sense that's it's extremely agglutinative. A feature shared with barely European languages like Hungarian, Estonian, and Turkish,.

Adrian Evans
Adrian Evans

Stalin chose to purge Esperantists because they were conversing with counterrevolutionaries abroad.
You arrest counterrevolutionaries based on their acts, not the language they use. Under Stalin's rule there were direct orders to arrest esperanto groups which is completely idiotic.

Jonathan Phillips
Jonathan Phillips

Language divides the working class far more easily than any idpol does. I know this first hand from living in Quebec.
And I bet that you will find these cosmopolitan swine in Quebec too. The goal of Esperantists is to divide and then spread their culty tongue.

Thomas Russell
Thomas Russell

Mate I speak both languages, they are not that similar, trust me.

Gabriel Hernandez
Gabriel Hernandez

stalin did X therefore we should do X under any and all circumstances
You're genuinely a retard.

Sebastian King
Sebastian King

The goal of Esperantists is to divide and then spread their culty tongue.
2/10 troll

Robert Reyes
Robert Reyes

The Esperantists were given too much power in the beginning of the Soviet Union. Esperanto before the purges in the USSR, Spain, and Germany were powerful internationally.

Stalin saw the danger and cut off a major vein in the Soviet Union. They were used at first to spread propaganda, but the Espreantists later began spreading counterrevolutionary material as a collective.
Stalin purged mostly individual movement leaders and those that caused trouble.
It was Hitler who targeted people just for being Esperanto speakers. Both tactics are fundamentally different.

Isaac Ward
Isaac Ward

That would be an interesting langauge. I wonder what it would look/sound like.

Parker Rivera
Parker Rivera

implying Karl "non-historical peoples don't have the right to sovereignty" Marx wouldn't be delighted about a language made up of all of his favourite eurocentric languages came to dominate the world.

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

Esperanto is to linguistics what quackery is to medicine.
A fantasy made out og gglued wood that will fail anything it aims for
What truly pains me are esperantists that will cover their ears at all criticism and always talk about unexistent issues in this world

Blake Martinez
Blake Martinez

This! Esperanto speakers are as bad as Jill Stein voters in politics.
There is no language problem. English is the universal language and is spoken in every major city of the world.
Esperanto nor any other made up language will ever be picked up by the masses.
Esperantists are fools and should not be respected in leftist spaces. They should be actively blocked from spreading their bullshit.

Austin Lopez
Austin Lopez

fuck off, trots.

Jaxson Cook
Jaxson Cook

It was Hitler who targeted people just for being Esperanto speakers.
You are just ignorant.
http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=A87ECBB483BF27F182F31626527035A6

Nathaniel Bailey
Nathaniel Bailey

There is no language problem. English is the universal language and is spoken in every major city of the world.
Ohhhh I get it now. The eternal 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧Anglo🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧 is afraid.

Brandon Clark
Brandon Clark

i know too many linguist that will kill and burn your corpse.
how much brainlet are you ?

Levi Howard
Levi Howard

Dubious source.
Only the leaders of the movement and prominent figures were targeted in the Esperanto movement.
It wasn't a thoughtless genocide.

If it weren't for Stalin, the USSR would have collapsed into an Esperanto-speaking multi-national bourgeois federation. Stalin made mistakes. This wasn't one of them.

Gavin Morgan
Gavin Morgan

advocating English as universal language
Supporting imperialism is not allowed on Holla Forums.

Liam Cruz
Liam Cruz

he a troll
stop feeding him

Dominic Taylor
Dominic Taylor

op is retarded and probably is a burger

Jose Moore
Jose Moore

Alright then let's all learn Na'Vi but fuck Esperanto.
It's ridiculous that you edgy "anti-imperialists" want to destroy the relationship between English and billions of people because of liberal privilege checking.
English is already the world language. If you are for Esperanto, you are against the proletariat.

Juan Anderson
Juan Anderson

Travel more.

Ryder Lee
Ryder Lee

,this nerd never set foot outside his trailer

Brayden Adams
Brayden Adams

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Hudson Morgan
Hudson Morgan

sorry if calling bullshit on your made up language makes me a troll
Most Americans don't have passport. Typical cosmopolitan mentality. I bet you use uber to get around everywhere.
Also, you don't know where I've been,

Joshua Roberts
Joshua Roberts

Jesus Christ man what is with you? You're always the same visceral anti-esperanto ☭TANKIE☭ shitposter who continually makes shit up about esperanto. Did an Esperantist piss on a picture of Stalin in front of you? The entire idea of Esperanto is to PRESERVE local cultures and languages.
English is the international language precisely because it takes the place of native ones you fucking doublenigger.
daddy stalin said he did it for this reason so it must be true
And you call other cult members who worship dead ideologues.
there is no economic problem. Capitalism is the universal language and works in every major country of the world
supporting great man theory
English is the language of the global bourgeoisie you enormous faggot. It is inherently anti-proletariat because it forces them to learn the language of their oppressors while forgetting the language of their people.

Why the fuck are you such an autistic rapid anti-esperantist?

Wyatt King
Wyatt King

Bourgeois Esperantist id-polers are now attacking white people. No surprise here.

Levi Ward
Levi Ward

2295879
made up language
Every language is "made up".

Cooper Cook
Cooper Cook

Bourgeois Esperantist id-polers are now attacking white people. No surprise here.
God the whyte genocyde cant come soon enough

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

Every language is "made up".
Really fucking isn't lad, actually learn some linguistics.

Chase Taylor
Chase Taylor

English is only a "world language" because it is backed by the economic power of the American empire and the British empire before that. Thinking that it is so widespread because it is somehow superior to other languages or that as soon as the American Empire collapses it will remain in its privileged position is pure idealism.

Most of the working classes don't speak English or do so very badly and you wouldn't understand them. English is most prominent among the bourgeoisie and the intelligentsia.

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

Most of the working classes don't speak English or do so very badly and you wouldn't understand them. English is most prominent among the bourgeoisie and the intelligentsia.
Even if we take this as true, forcing people to learn Esperanto is not the answer. In that case, people should learn the languages of their neighbors, whoever they may be. Instead of communicating in a made up language.

Isaac Gomez
Isaac Gomez

Every language is "made up".
This is what esperantists actually believe

Asher Green
Asher Green

Thanks OP. Before this thread I had no idea Esperanto was even a thing. Now I'm going to learn a new language because of the arguments presented in this thread and there's nothing you can do about it.

Zachary King
Zachary King

Do you think people found languages outside their caves some day and started using them? All languages are products of conscious human activity, and thus made up.

Cooper Turner
Cooper Turner

The universal language should be Finnish : DDD

Ian Howard
Ian Howard

Nobody is forcing anyone to learn anything. You are fighting windmills.

Isaac Barnes
Isaac Barnes

I actually do, and they are. There's nothing authentic or natural about languages, regardless the number of speakers or their age. If Esperanto replaced English in the world in 1000 years you wouldn't be able to read old Esperanto texts due to the changes that occur.

Do you think people found languages outside their caves some day and started using them?
Hehe.

All languages are products of conscious human activity
Conscious and unconscious at the same time.

Noah Nelson
Noah Nelson

Now you sound like like a libertarian.
"No one is forcing you to participate in the markets. Capitalism is a choice,"

Jeremiah Baker
Jeremiah Baker

This! Finns, Lithuanians, the French, and Jews cannot read ancient texts.
Languages cannot be controlled and languages cannot be created. They are natural.

Kevin Wood
Kevin Wood

There's nothing authentic or natural about languages

Benjamin Harris
Benjamin Harris

Are there people that will throw you in prison or kill you if you don't know Esperanto? How retarded do you have to be to think capitalism is even close to the same as learning a new language?

Jeremiah Ramirez
Jeremiah Ramirez

English is a far bigger threat to other languages than this meme called Esperanto.

English is the ultimate imperialist language.

Zachary Moore
Zachary Moore

You could claim that people are coerced into learning English. For example to get a programming job it is an unsaid requirement. But Esperanto? Come on, you can't be this paranoid.

Charles Watson
Charles Watson

Yet here we are all speaking it, because we know English is the language of the masses. Not any meme language, not any languages a bunch of autists make up.

Lucas Jones
Lucas Jones

I learned it because it was forced upon me.

William Brooks
William Brooks

I didn't really have a choice to learn English or not. My school system taught it to me.

Christian Cox
Christian Cox

Anyone else disturbed by the recent rise of mathematics in the left?

Now mathematicians are pushing for this thing destroying authentic local logics.

The goal of mathematics is to replace local ways of thinking and make us culturally and emotionally dependent on the capitalist class.

Any good Marxist knows to oppose mathematics. Leaders like Stalin recognized the threat of the "universal language of all sciences" and removed it before it did damage to the Soviet Union.

Do not fall for this anti-communist mathematician trap. Learn your local logic and algebra instead. That's how to truly build a community of workers. At the grassroots level.

Charles Johnson
Charles Johnson

We're speaking precisely because of imperialism. Do you think people consciously chose to learn it because they thought it was really logical and easy?
topkek

But, really though, there's nothing wrong with keeping your native language, which is precisely why esperanto exists, so that you can.

Robert Edwards
Robert Edwards

The cult of real numbers must be stopped.

Elijah Young
Elijah Young

All the languages you listed has serious language reforms where the state forced planned changes on them. They are, like most other modern languages, proof that languages can be controlled and created.

Tyler Nelson
Tyler Nelson

Is it a coincidence that 9 out of 10 mathematicians are jewish? I don't think so. Everything beyond natural numbers and Hellenic trigonometry is a jewish lie.

An example.

I have 2 bananas in my hand. I am content with them. In comes the Jewish matamaticians to mess up the natural order: "that's actually 1,99999999… bananas!"

"FUCK YOU", I say, but then I have a realization! The remaining 0,00000…1 bananas in my hand – you know what it is in the jewish made up "irrational numbers"? In their eyes it's the debt of the white race to the semites.

Flunk school, kids, you'll be better off detecting the ZOG Occupied Government.

John Roberts
John Roberts

Fuck Esperanto. Revive Latin.

Benjamin Carter
Benjamin Carter

No they developed over thousands of years through a process of evolution. They weren't drawn up in a year by a group of wanks in a room.

Nolan Gutierrez
Nolan Gutierrez

jajaja

Jack Powell
Jack Powell

languages developed over thousands of years through a process of evolution
From any evolutionary perspective worthy of serious consideration language is at best a sprandrel, or a parasite on the human organism.

Brayden Torres
Brayden Torres

I remember there was a thread on Holla Forums a while back where there were a lot of people defending Esperanto. Glad to see that isn't the case in this thread. All I have to say is that is a meme language and it will never gain prominence and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded by meaningless superstructure bullshit. That being said if you want a global language, you're better off with English since it's already almost de facto world language (thanks burgerland). Spanish and Mandarin are also contenders for "world language" status but let's be honest, anything that doesn't use the latin alphabet is pretty worthless for most of the world anyway
Now that I think of it, it'll probably be easier to get the world on one alphabet before we get everybody speaking the same language

Robert Foster
Robert Foster

Most modern languages were actually drawn up in a few years by language reformers.

Ethan Parker
Ethan Parker

The fucking literati in the ancient world codified and altered the authentic natural languages in their texts, proclaiming the rule of such artificial constructs as "letter" or "grammar" or "punctuation".

KILL ALL LITERATES!
BRING BACK AUTHENTIC LANGUAGES!

Jose Jones
Jose Jones

This
Jewish mathematicians be like "the sum of all the natural numbers up until infinity is -1/12"
But WHITE mathematicians be like "Don't eat beans"

Michael Lopez
Michael Lopez

Good luck getting the far east to do that.

Thomas Morales
Thomas Morales

go to a working class neiborhood in Mexico City speaking only English and then get back to me.

Noah Thompson
Noah Thompson

I like Esperanto and I support its use for its own sake. If it became the world language, I wouldn't be disappointed. However Esperanto needs a second worldwide popularity. At one point it was called the People's Latin.
I support Esperanto but most workers don't even consciously think about the langusge problem we have. If Esperanto became popular, maybe a new modern language more based on modern linguistics and Chinese, Hindi, and English would be made. Similar to how supporting Democratic Cops of America is a good step in spreading class consciousness, learning Esperanto is a good way in getting this issue spread. I've only studied Esperanto for two months and know more than the Spanish I've studied for six years.

Koran saluton karaj kamaradoj,
Se vi povas legi tiun ĉi mesaĝon sen tradukilo, mi ĝojus. Mi estas pli malpli meznivela komencanto. Mi eklernis tiun ĉi lingvon antaŭ du monatoj kaj jam estas en la mezo de la duolinga arbo. Tamen verdire mi lernas multe pli el aliaj rimedoj. Ĉefe libroj.
Do laŭ mi, Esperanto estas bona lingvo kaj mi plezure lernas ĝin kaj babilas kun aliaj samideanoj. Sed mi ne estas tradicia finvenkisto. Esperanto estas sufiĉe bone konata ilo por disvastigi la subtenon de artefarita planlingvo. Kvazaŭ klaskonscio, la laboristaro ankaŭ ne scias multe pri la lingva problemo. Se Esperanto fariĝos la lingvo de la proletoj, mi feliĉas tamen mi divenas ke plej verŝajne dum la dua monda disvastiĝo de Esperanto, homoj ekfaros novan planlingvon. Sed tio ne okazos se la ideo ne estas populara. Jen eĉ plia kialo por subteni Esperanton.

Lucas Jackson
Lucas Jackson

not muh spooks, anything but muh spooks

Chase Garcia
Chase Garcia

Yeah, tbh it was the great committee of 1948 that decided the grammatical rules of english adjectival order.

Oh and we can't forget the grand congress of 1873 that agree that "an" should come before a noun with a vowel.

Fucking spelling rules are effectively nothing compared to the base architecture of languages you utter dolt.

Justin Kelly
Justin Kelly

It's more than that. Certain grammatical cases were chosen over others. English is a bad example because it was already a unified colonial language centuries ago. But look at Italian, German, or Hebrew. The grammar and vocabulary chosen did not faithfully reflect any particular dialect spoken.

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