/trot/ -- Trotskyism General

Jose Ross
Jose Ross

Please don't spam the thread shitty posts about how much Trotskyists just fuck everything up, please.
A recent Jacobin article that interviews Trotsky's grandson:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/11/trotsky-museum-mexico-city-esteban-volkov-interview
A Marxists.org Trotsky archive:
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/index.htm
I know some ☭TANKIE☭s will get mad at me for this, but Stalin's ordered assassination of the Trotsky was seriously fucked up, like Jesus Christ.
Also, Trotsky is hotter than Lenin.

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/11/trotsky-museum-mexico-city-esteban-volkov-interview
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/works/index.htm
https://youtu.be/1Iq19FY593Q
https://thecharnelhouse.org/2015/05/19/the-works-of-leon-trotsky/
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=27A4FD22A957DBB4C9FEFCAE2A4151CC
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=825B68FD82489F6EB2696CACC3C38BBA
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=FE115B3064DD0679E4B125E32DEC750B
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=D2DCB960414BECAA8495E50FFB9A2DAA
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/17/abus-n17.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/01/spac-n01.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/10/pola-o08.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/05/alle-f05.html
Landon Murphy
Landon Murphy

How to piss off almost every ideology on this board: Tonight at Eleven

Austin Robinson
Austin Robinson

WHY
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Nolan Martinez
Nolan Martinez

Actually it's like 8 PM lmao. Learn how to read clocks, nerd.

Luke Scott
Luke Scott

It's in reference to this you dumb shit, watch the news every now and then
https://youtu.be/1Iq19FY593Q

Robert Brooks
Robert Brooks

Is this stealth anti-trot thread?

Gavin Butler
Gavin Butler

It was ironic. Also…
Watch the news.
What am I, a fuckin' liberal?
It's not. What makes you think that?

Noah Thomas
Noah Thomas

Not all your news sources every single time have to be from the people's republic of Trotsky's 17 splitter's newspaper

Carter Russell
Carter Russell

Here are some writings for download:

https://thecharnelhouse.org/2015/05/19/the-works-of-leon-trotsky/

The collection of works between 1929 and 1940 is a gold mine. When I read about something that happened on this period I always check them to see if he had an opinion about it. It's also great for insight into what socialist parties of the period were up to, since he trashes most of them at least once (the attacks on the Bordigists are particularly funny)

Andrew Kelly
Andrew Kelly

using hoi4 vanilla portrait

Easton Long
Easton Long

nice butt of hurt

Leo James
Leo James

Prophets Unarmed: Chinese Trotskyists in Revolution, War, Jail and the Return from Limbo (Gregor Benton)
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=27A4FD22A957DBB4C9FEFCAE2A4151CC

The History of American Trotskyism, 1928-38: Report of a Participant (James P. Cannon)
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=825B68FD82489F6EB2696CACC3C38BBA

Trotskyism (Alex Callinicos)
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=FE115B3064DD0679E4B125E32DEC750B

International Trotskyism, 1929-1985 (Robert J. Alexander)
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=D2DCB960414BECAA8495E50FFB9A2DAA

Caleb Bennett
Caleb Bennett

I MADE BETTER THREAD

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Owen Baker
Owen Baker

To call yourself a Trotskyist means fucking nothing. Seriously, I have no way of knowing what any of your views are just by that label because none of you fucks can even agree on who exactly Trotsky was. Quite possibly the most useless personality cult created in the 20th century.

I don't hate him really, he fought in the Civil War and had a few neat things to say in the 30's despite his raging butthurt over being exiled, but his small contributions to theory aren't enough to justify calling yourselves "Trotskyists." I don't care if he's your fucking husbando politics isn't a dating sim.

Luis James
Luis James

thanks

Goddamnit nigga we jerk each other off to pee on the tanks mi nigga

William Bailey
William Bailey

can you FSA supporting retards just end your life? That fucker split the party multiple times, worked with the Nazis and Japan against actual Socialist movements and his theory is full of flaws and isn't versed in science or backed up by actual history. Fuck off with your trotskyist bullshit, Lenin described Trotsky as a scoundrel who collaborated with right wing foes.

Samuel Parker
Samuel Parker

That fucker split the party multiple times
[citation needed]

worked with the Nazis
[citation needed]

and Japan against actual Socialist
[citation needed]

and his theory is full of flaws and isn't versed in science or backed up by actual history.
All his theories were developments of earlier Marxist ones.

Nathan Powell
Nathan Powell

label because none of you fucks can even agree on who exactly Trotsky was.
Wow looks who talking.
Trotsky was
A Trotskyite :^)

To call yourself a Trotskyist means fucking nothing.
4u, but it's just calling saying anything means nothing, just look at tankies and Stalin.

Quite possibly the most useless personality cult created in the 20th century.
Just like Stalin :^) at best, if you ignore everything.

I don't hate him really,
It seems like you right now nigga

Jose Reyes
Jose Reyes

What the fuck did Trotsky say that Trotskyists are such a fucking meme?

Juan Bennett
Juan Bennett

never ever u tank

Nathaniel Collins
Nathaniel Collins

Trotskyism makes more sense when contextualized, and for a while it was needed to counterweigh some tendencies of Stalinism that were being pushed around as established Marxist/Socialist dogma among people who didn't know any better. But other than that, you're right. He's one of my favorite 20th century Marxists but I don't like to call myself a Trotskyist either.

And Trotskyism is far from a personality cult. People in his faction disagreed with him all the time, and suffered no consequence but that of receiving a response in a newspaper. Trotskyism in the UK-US develop an antagonism to the Soviet Union that he himself warned against.

Dylan Morris
Dylan Morris

Trotsky?
More like….
Thotsky.

Owen Watson
Owen Watson

Reminder that Trots = neocons is a meme literally made up by right wingers and leftists should stop parroting this type of nonsense

Parker Ross
Parker Ross

Trots may not be NeoCons, but they certainly aren't people neither.

Jayden Torres
Jayden Torres

Impressive. Very nice.

I just started on The Revolution Betrayed. Is this the right pick to start with Trotsky, and what would you recommend afterwards?

Daniel Powell
Daniel Powell

Trots
the people who spam "red bureaucracy red bureaucracy red bureaucracy red bureaucracy" with out of context Lenin quotes to prove your point and then become socdems or neocons.

Making a "general" is kinda stupid, but interacting with other leftists and making insightful effortposts will do more for people to understand and be more open to Trots than spamming pdfs and shitposting with trolls who come to this thread.

Hunter Butler
Hunter Butler

Read Posadas. Posadism is the logical conclusion to Trotskyism. Unironically read Posadas.

David Adams
David Adams

stalin and trotsky are pretty much the chad and beta meme irl when you think about it

Adam Parker
Adam Parker

why do trots love rape so much?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/17/abus-n17.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2017/11/01/spac-n01.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2009/10/pola-o08.html
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2014/02/05/alle-f05.html

Connor Sanders
Connor Sanders

Is CWI a rapefest like ISO?

Mason Cooper
Mason Cooper

Can anyone provide a criticism of Trotskyism that isn't cult of personality gripes about Trotsky being mean to their mustachioed husbando or something that could be said of just about any other leftist group?

Grayson Thompson
Grayson Thompson

I fucking hope so m8. Fuck trots

Jaxon Johnson
Jaxon Johnson

Is Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution any good?

Camden Stewart
Camden Stewart

You're asking to provide a criticism of Christianity and Jesus, when the gripes are mainly with the Christians.

Jackson Adams
Jackson Adams

What do Trotskyists do that other groups have not done. What makes them uniquely bad?

Caleb Sullivan
Caleb Sullivan

Selling newspapers, derailing socialists attempting to organize by taking over or splitting the organizations and producing reactionaries.

If you see a socialist org doing dumb/repulsive shit, like covering up rape, 9 out of 10 they are trotskyists.

If you see some reactionary asshole that used to be a "marxist", he was a trot.

I don't even know what makes them such fucking lemons. Maybe it's because they are an umbrella for anti-soviet left or something and are a magnet for a special brand of retard.

Mason Perez
Mason Perez

Why do Trots exist?

I understand that in the 30s this was basically the only communist movement outside of Italy that recognized there was something very wrong with the Soviet Union, but these days I don't see how Trotskyist organizations justify themselves.

Why should the writings of a single Russian politician be the basis for one's entire worldview, especially when stronger and more well-developed critiques of Soviet policy have been argued by left communists in recent decades?

Jacob Hall
Jacob Hall

Because leftcoms are literal whos to normies. People know Orwell and Trotsky, though. For those who want to be communist, but not get sacked by McCarthy.

Caleb Flores
Caleb Flores

I already provided one here. A lot of Trot publications and rhetoric revolves around bitching about the USSR and the omnipotent, all evil "red bureaucracy that is followed up by out of context Lenin quotes and stuff to back it up. Knowing the Lenin didn't like the growing bureacracy and then basically spamming the same several lines over and over. A lot of it is really shallow analysis of what I feel to be a much more complex revolutionary experiment. Also, Trots (perhaps it is an American thing) have always reverted back to socdemism or neocon thought. They don't have as much of a intellectual backing or history unlike other leftist tendencies due to Trotsky dropping the ball early so Trot groups split like fucking crazy over disagreements over ideological purity and such.

Gabriel Parker
Gabriel Parker

tbh doesn't help that leftcoms deliberately avoid propagandizing because they don't want their circles to ever be the center of proletarian leadership

Kevin Reyes
Kevin Reyes

Well, in the future, the leftcom faction will observe the supreme soviet meetings from a gallery lounge. Comfy chairs, coffee and pancakes will be provided.

Tyler Hall
Tyler Hall

Literally all orgs do this.

All orgs have some fucking paper they're pushing, all orgs split, there are tons of groups that disrupt and derail shit who aren't trots, and every ideology has produced its fair share of reactionaries. How many former Russian M-Ls became full blown fascists after the collapse of the USSR?

Owen Nelson
Owen Nelson

thank you friend

TBH leftcoms and MLs ought not be so antagonist, we can both learn a lot from each other.

Noah Lee
Noah Lee

unironic trot here, ask me anything

Nolan Hall
Nolan Hall

This is a ML-leftcom unity / trot hate thread. GTFO trot.

Angel Bell
Angel Bell

It's been over a year now and I still don't know what in the fuck the originally creator of this MP4 was attempting to say.

Matthew Roberts
Matthew Roberts

Are you a burger? What trot org do you sympathize with most?

Landon Stewart
Landon Stewart

It's a better analysis than the Great Man bullshit you usually get from Stalinists.

Benjamin Murphy
Benjamin Murphy

trots are leftcoms by definition

Luis Torres
Luis Torres

Yes; International Marxist Tendency.

Ethan Sanchez
Ethan Sanchez

They most certainly are not. Infantile disorder is pretty much the most useful summary of Left Communism out there (even though it's a critique) and none of the critiques in it can be leveled against most trots. Simply critiquing Stalin from the left is hardly enough.

Jaxson Diaz
Jaxson Diaz

James P. Cannon was based

James Cooper
James Cooper

Tankies are even more sectarian than Trots.

Kayden Kelly
Kayden Kelly

Okay cormades, I want you tell me this very second WHY trotskyism is unique enough to get its own denomination?

Wyatt Howard
Wyatt Howard

I was about to say permanent revolution but then I realised what even the damned wiki says in regards to being unique.

Hudson Morales
Hudson Morales

becuz he was an gud bois

Jace Anderson
Jace Anderson

becuses of identity politics of da random acttor on what could be a shitty newman that chouses becuses it sound like it was most sond like rape

Jack Cox
Jack Cox

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Luke Clark
Luke Clark

Yeah, here in Australia they just had their regular mandated split over rape allegations surrounding Steve Jolly in Melbourne

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