Reminder that we wouldn't have socialism if Roman Empire wouldn't have...

John Howard
John Howard

Reminder that we wouldn't have socialism if Roman Empire wouldn't have conquered half of europe, adopted Christianity, if monks in christian monasteries would have written down and recorded Ancient Greek thought, which later allowed Renaissance to happen, which led to spread of humanist ideas, which in turn gave rise to basic foundations for French Revolution, which in turn inspired people like Hegel and Proudhon, who in turn inspired Marx to write his classics to offer alternatives to capitalism.

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Andrew Myers
Andrew Myers

Reminder that the Roman Empire could have easily been strangled in its youth at various times in its first few centuries of existence, and eventually some other empire covering some roughly equivalent area probably would have risen instead. To attribute some special attribute to a set of symbols and names is a spook.

Tyler Russell
Tyler Russell

Question is, would this other empire have been as accommodating to recording proto-socialist philosophies as Roman Empire and it's descendant elites?

Samuel Diaz
Samuel Diaz

Communism is inevitable, so no, if it wasn't the Romans, it would be someone else.

Tyler Myers
Tyler Myers

Not really. Look at how slow all the other empires outside Europe were to abolish slave societies.

Oliver Nguyen
Oliver Nguyen

You know really only a small fraction of most of the writing from the Classical period actually survived the burning of the library at Alexandria. Who's to say some equivalent empire going under a different name wouldn't have done a better job at recording history and preserving writings?

Liam Allen
Liam Allen

The Persian Empire didn't even have slavery

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

Which one?

Jeremiah Davis
Jeremiah Davis

nice idealism, faggot. The real reason the Renaissance happened was because of the black plague. So many people died that afterward the peasants had huge leverage to increase their wages and form the embryo of the bourgeoisie. How can you say you admire Marx if you're spewing all this idealist trash?

James Brooks
James Brooks

The Achaemenid and Sasanian empires, the ones around the Roman period

Parker Myers
Parker Myers

change of cultural paradigm happened for purely economic reasons
This analysis is either dishonest or simply ignorant.

Landon Wilson
Landon Wilson

read marx

Robert Evans
Robert Evans

feudalism
wages
Wew. The Renaissance happened because of influence of Byzantine scholars that went into Italian exile after the Fourth Crusade.

Kayden Torres
Kayden Torres

This

Justin Brown
Justin Brown

tfw I like the republican and roman, spartan style of government and civic duty
tfw such things have been ruined since being appropriated by right-wingers

Life isn't fair.

Bentley Brown
Bentley Brown

Sry but the historial awareness is trash right now. Rennaissance wasn't a fundamental 'light' or whatever (remember, the fundamentalist reformation period came right after) and Medieval scholastic philosophy was actually pretty complex and smart. What's humanist is a slippery definition: christianity already accomodated the idea of the equality of souls throughout medieval times. Petrarca, Rennaissance poet par excellence, thought the Roman Empire went to shit after Hadrian because he wasn't an Italian. Such shocking humanism.

The Rennaissance was very strongly an art movement inspired by a turn to classicism. It wasn't a radical break like the French Revolution or the Industrial Revolution or even perhaps the Reformation. It had its roots in places like Italy and then the Netherlands where the Bourgs were strongest because trade and banking made for wealthy patrons for art projects. And yeah Byzantine influx helped, hard to say how much.

Nathan Peterson
Nathan Peterson

Oh I should add that it did change mentalities, but again it's hard to say how much.

Joseph Robinson
Joseph Robinson

tfw I like the republican and roman, spartan style of government and civic duty
How do you tie such things with leftism? Asking without sarcasm

Matthew Lee
Matthew Lee

who cares

Alexander Ward
Alexander Ward

not interested in history
Anarkiddie much?

Grayson Rogers
Grayson Rogers

The ones the Greeks bitched about

Chase Smith
Chase Smith

if monks in christian monasteries would have written down and recorded Ancient Greek thought, which later allowed Renaissance to happen, which led to spread of humanist ideas
Except this is the exact opposite of what happened. Those monks were literally scraping the Greek writings off the vellum holding them to write prayerbooks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes_Palimpsest

Cameron Garcia
Cameron Garcia

soldiers acting like brutes who have little regard for historical artefacts
What is this supposed to prove? The writings of Archimedes still passed on and weren't literally burned or anything

Jayden Evans
Jayden Evans

Read someone other than Marx.

Wyatt Sanchez
Wyatt Sanchez

The writings of Archimedes still passed on and weren't literally burned or anything
Read the piece linked and see how incorrect you are.

Eli Diaz
Eli Diaz

Sometime between 1923 and 1930 the palimpsest was acquired by Marie Louis Sirieix, a "businessman and traveler to the Orient who lived in Paris."[8] Though Sirieix claimed to have bought it from a monk, who would not in any case have had the authority to sell it, he had no receipt or documentation for a sale. Stored secretly for years in Sirieix's cellar, the palimpsest suffered damage from water and mold. In addition, after disappearing from the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate's library, a forger added copies of medieval evangelical portraits in gold leaf onto four pages in the book in order to increase its value, further damaging the text.[9] These gold leaf portraits nearly obliterated the text underneath them, and x-ray fluorescence imaging at Stanford would later be required to reveal it.[10]

You mean this part? Sorry but I don't have time atm to read the entire article

Jaxon Howard
Jaxon Howard

what is historical materialism?

Jaxon Gomez
Jaxon Gomez

Reminder that we wouldn't have socialism if a dog named Barkos didn't fart on 13:16, Tuesday, 308 BC

David Cox
David Cox

Reminder that we wouldn't have socialism if a dog named Barkos didn't fart on 13:16, Tuesday, 308 BC

Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

For those keeping score at home, Ancient Greek philosophy was discovered and disseminated by Arab "capitalists." Scandinavia had nothing do to with the Italian Renaissance.

Kayden Scott
Kayden Scott

Reminder we wouldn't be here if a Tyrannosaurus didn't get blown the fuck out by an asteroid

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