German Federal Election General

So in three days the absolute farce that is the bourgeois election in Germany is happening. The situation is dire, Supreme Leader Merkel is going to be chancellor for another four years, the neoliberal SPD already implied they won't make a coalition with Die Linke, Grüne is imperialist neoliberalism with nuclear level of IdPol, Die Linke still has a somewhat socialist platform but aside from Wagenknecht has mild SocDems in leading positions.

So CDU and SPD are probably going to make another grand coalition and the average Kraut who only cares about muh exports and wants to work within the biggest low wage sector in Europe and likes to watch old people collecting bottles will be fine with it, the lolberts from the FDP will get back in again with a good result because apperently everybody has forgotten how god-fucking awful they were and that they issued tax cuts for caviar producers and hotels with five stars, and so will the AfD, another strain of neoliberals with some civic nationalism mixed in.

TL;DR, wake me up inside

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Rosa didn't die for this shit

German Political Parties

Die Linkie
Socdems

Grüne
anti-nuclear power idpol neoliberals

SPD
neoliberals

CDU
neoliberals with a refuge fetish

FDP
radical neoliberals

AFD
national neoliberals

Why are German parties so shit. Why can’t the KPD come back.

Anti-nuclear power isn't a unique stance anymore ever since Merkel made a u-turn after Fokushima. Typical Merkel move, steal talking points from others and then get celebrated for it. That being said, Greens are obviously absolute utter shit nonetheless. They were the biggest hawks against Russia in the Ukraine crisis.
It is.
k-p-d-online.de

If we hit few more bumps can we make this cyclical? It's always fun to follow the elections on here, just. Pls german fags talk english.

HOLY SHIT

Which is why I support them!

WE NEED THE SED TO COME BACK AND MAKE GERMANY GREAT AGAIN

The KPD got unbanned in 1991, that was part of the unification treaty. Since you post under the Stalinstache, you probably love the modern KPD, they are hardcore tankie and give zero shits about liberals.

I just walked past this poster of the MLPD (Marxist-Leninist-Maoist party), they have shittons of money so they have posters everywhere. It normies out sometimes and people try to get them removed the time.

Anyway, they support Rojava as you can see and even sent aid packages to the area. They are deeply intertwined with the ICOR and the ICMLPO, and recently got in trouble for supporting a women of the People's Front of Palestine (which is considered a terror organization, and stuff against Israel is frowned upon in Germany especially).

It creeps normies*

russophobic much?

Were can I see/read someshit they did recently, possibly on in english? My Deutsch is rusty as fuck

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutionary_defeatism

If found this video on there website. What does it say. youtube.com/watch?v=9L0x18fzI64

How long is this bitch in power by now? 12 years?

How can she possibly run for another mandate?

Didn't check but I think it's 16 years.

Wikipedia says she assumed office in 2005.

Are politicians in Germany allowed to go for infinite number of mandates or what?

They have a somewhat decent YouTube channel, KiDDeutschland. They have a bunch of FAQ videos there. Maybe just turn on the automatic English subtitles of YouTube?


I watch it when I'm at home

Yes.

It's important to remember that Merkel and her team is pretty alienated from the rather conservative base of the CDU/CSU, Merkel at this point is more of a president that reigns above party politics, as she navigates opportunisticly through all political tendencies, and she makes a u-turn all the time: Nuclear power, refugees, gay marriage, etc. At some point Merkel had more support amongst the Greens and the SPD than in her own party.

The only issues in which she is consistent is a) die-hard austerity and b) supporting USA imperialism in some shy, underhand way.

Death* to imperialism!
*except if there are qt Kurds leading the charge

There is literally nothing wrong with nuclear power.

I miss the old DKP.
They had quite a number of problems, but at-least they were capable of keeping Germany stable, intact and prosperous.

Looking at the inevitability of another four years of the Merkel, neo-liberal dictatorship.
I would honestly consider the ineffective and illegitimate Weimar government preferable to what Germany is subject to now.

How is a group of people who’re fighting for self determination. Have there culture heavily repressed by the states that divide up there land being imperialist?

Because they're militarily allied to the US, it's an attempt to balkanize Syria according to tankies

Acting as a proxy force for the US. It's an unfortunate situation for Kurds that so many of their leaders are content to serve American interests.


*according to everyone who isn't blind
It doesn't matter what they say, it matters what they do. The war is winding down and the only way they're not going to get BTFO by Turkey or just absorbed back into the Syrian state is by continuing to accept US aid in exchange for building more US military bases on their territory.

The US has made it no secret that the SDF are on the chopping block after Daesh are defeated, if they're a puppet of any imperial power it's going to be Russia

Why do all Euro tankie parties have websites which look like they were designed when the USSR still existed?

bundesfighter.de

To all German comrades or people interested in German politics in general, this is hilarious. It's a retro beat 'em up browser game in which you can play as Wagenknecht. Her special attack is a GDR border turret and when she wins she transforms into a Stalin bust.

Merkel is a reptilian who uses a "refuge wave". It's pretty fucking funny.

Make this a cyclical

ML parties in ex-Eastern bloc tend to have 50+ membership

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LUDO

L U D O

Alright, burger here, I must know; what is the story behind that two-headed beast?

Die Grüne (Greens) has co-leadership

They are two greenies Cem Ozdemir and Katrin Göring-Edckard

I have no idea who to vote for. It's all pretty shit tier.

Successfully play the story mode with every character to unlock "the Kançler".

Holy fuck she's easily the strongest character. The two bar special does insane damage.

I find her weaker special more powerful, tbh.
You have to time the stronger one while they jump, so that they have no time to duck (where they take no damage).

i cri errytiem

But the green party character just punches itself

SERIOUSLY, wtf is wrong with Germans!? Every other major nation has populist anti-neocon/neolib movements polling strongly, but Germany has absolutely nothing on the left (aside from one admittedly very based woman in a party that polls poorly and is mostly trash), and on the right AfD barely scrapes above single-digits.

People complain about Democrats and Republicans being too much alike, but honestly, CDU and SPD managed to beat them.

hue

shit then, shit now

anti-nuclear hippies are as reprehensible as coal rollers on climate change imo

MAKE THIS A CYCLICAL HOTPOCKETS
DO IT FOR HER

Atomic waste.
There is still no concept where to finally store them.
All the stores we have are temp stores.
Also all this is tax-payer funded, while the nuclear industry gets tax-payer subsidies.

"Store"? You honestly think we intend to store it? We're launching it all into the sun as soon as the rocket technology is safe enough.

To add:
The nuclear industry is required (like all power utilities) to get insurance, but (unlike all other power utilities) no private insurer has ever been willing to underwrite nuclear, so the public has been forced by the nuclear industry's shills to do so in their stead.
Without plutonium breeders (that includes garbage like thorium, which has to be transmuted to weapons-grade plutonium for maximum efficiency), peak nuclear would happen in under a decade if all energy transitioned to nuclear.
Breeders, even after a history spanning the entirety of the commercial nuclear industry, are experimental technology that has never been commercialized. Breeders have a far worse safety record than conventional reactors, with every single pilot plant ever built having been shut down multiple times due to failures, infinitely worse security and proliferation problems, and in spite of shilling about "inherent safety" (unlike conventional reactors, which can merely melt down) are theoretically capable of detonating like an atomic bomb purely through operator error.
Most atomic waste is not suitable for reuse as fuel ("high-level waste"), but is instead the same sort of trash generated by other heavy industries (coolant, rubble, lubricant, seals, cleaning products, clothing, tools, machines, etc.), except dangerously radioactive.
Even ignoring every other flaw of nuclear, it is already more expensive than wind, solar, tidal, geothermal, etc., even WITH matching grid storage to offset intermittant generation.


It should be injected into a continental subduction rift.

Wouldn't digging that deep require even more advanced tech than safe rockets?

Not as far fetched as it sounds:
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Also post your face when Die Linke wins and make germany great again

Based

time to head out for one last pointless day of activism and campaigning for DIE LINKE, before we get btfo by marketcucks and nationalcucks

So does the Ned. Continental West-Germanic lands are full of reactionaries and Bourgeois fucks. We have weak parlementary left-wing that sucks and can't even stand up to the neolibs and the nationalists without being pathetic. The general populous cares more about their house prices and interest rates and the poor workers vote for the right-wing populists because they think they constitute a protest vote.

Comrade, DIELINKE are reformist and distance themselves time and time again from communism and their SED history, vote MLPD or DKP, they are /ourguys/. DIELINKE are becomming full socdem

Pebble bed reactors are totally safe and can produce vast quantities of hydrogen for vehicles to run on. Germany is retarded.

‘Bikinis & bees’: The worst and best of Germany’s political posters this election (PHOTOS)
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Reminder Wagenknecht is /UnsereMädchen/ and not only was in the FDJ but was also an SED member.

youtu.be/B51HI0MPUrQ
Some day.

Afd will win

HAIL VICTORY

reminds me of this

this is what the greens really want

Neh, it's all about her heavy air attack. It has crazy range and you can wall out the other characters super easily by just constantly spacing with it.

What the fuck does that mean?

Dunno what 'black' means in this context.

Black is the colour of the German conservative Alliance CDU/CSU

KEINE EXPERIMENTE
-Adenauer, 1957

Don't vote then.

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We really should make more Marx, Lenin, Bakunin etc. memes saying "miss me yet?" and "I told you so".


What does the DKP sign say?

my fucking sides


Damn son.

How objectifying.

DKP sign says

Yeah, but the hands gripping the black woman's butt have nail polish so it's actually really progressive and lesbian / queer.

AfD is partly nationalist neolib and part aut-right,
Die Linke are succdems, which is laughably the best you could hope for in Dayytchland
the rest are neolib opportunists keeping the titanic on track

show this to Holla Forums in one of their "leftist cringe" threads

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Of course, user. What did you expect?

Excuses

Though, you do understand that strategically it's worse voting for DKP or MLPD rather than The Left?

Sure, your intentions and beliefs are more likely to match with those of the former named parties, but they will never, in no way possible, surpass 5% and thus get into parliament.

None of these parties will bring the socialist revolution you're anticipating, so why not just do everything to get leftist parties into parliament?

You don't vote for communism.

every
fucking
time

SYRIZA, 'nuff said.

you are also missing the entire point in participating in bourgeoise elections
not "winning" them but the entire process of promoting communism
the ballot part is the least important about it

you promoting it to be of essence and calling to vote for cuckdems is nothing but spreading illusions into bourgeoise democracy and cuckdems

I'm glad we can advertise for communist ideas by not even gaining a notion anywhere because we're so absolutely irrelevant, show these idiots who's wearing the trousers around these parts!

this is you. this is how retarded you are.

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You're right, let's vote for communism instead of reforms!! Arrrrrrribaaa! Mama mia

see
/you

kys tbh

marx-forum.de/marx-lexikon/lexikon_p/parlament.html

Agreed, the primary avenue for building communism (whether through reform or revolution) is done through outreach and direct action, not the changes in public opinion that outreach eventually brings into being. But if so, why are you opposed to using your vote to nudge political representation in your favor, instead of a completely pointless protest vote?

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Apparently the FDJ is still alive. How and why and what do they do there?

Just voted. Primary vote (Erststimme) for the MLPD, secondary vote (Zweitstimme) for the DKP.

Voted, both votes went to Die Linke

What's the affluence in germany?

Pretty shit.
While on the average Germany is one of the wealthiest, it's because Germany has so many fucking millionaires who distort the math.
Take the median to get the true picture and you realise that a huge majority actually lives not so well.
But the average German loves getting tricked like that so it's a race to the bottom, really.

NATO shill.

I think that since the last electoral reform, the first vote has no effect on the proportion of seats a party obtains, so I don't see the point in even using the first vote (unless I have a high opinion about a particular person running in my voting district and I want to have an effect on who within the same party gets seats).

It's meaningless, yes.
But I refuse strategic voting, since both CDU and SPD are shit.
So it's back to die Linke.

Russian-Imperialist.

I might add, that in germany if parties get aroudn 0.5% percent they will get payed by the state for the next election, so if you vote communist parties you finance the communist cause

Well fuck.
Linke won 0.4
But others won more.

I expected this from the SPD to land on 20, but I am surprised CDU/CSU got 32. Whew.

IDS HABBENING

To be fair, Linke usually gain in places where you need to count long (big cities), so usually the longer the night the higher they are placed.
But there are a lot of mail voters than usual and they vote traditionally conservative.
Also since the cons got fucking decimated, they disperse to other parties but the Left.
I just hope that Linke catches up with the Greens at least.

not sure where you're seeing that, I'm seeing 9%

SPD JUST CONFIRMED THEY WON'T MAKE A COALITION

Fucking wew. This means it's probably gonna be Jamaika, new elections or a minority government.

AfD aren't Nazis. They are lolberts who like the Germany of the 80s.

Exit polls are already out?
Also yesterday on tv I saw a german girl who told the reported that she liked merkel because she maneged the refugee crisis well. You got burgered guys.

the german "left" deserves it tbh. I'm just sad that the people who voted them probalby expect something different than a neoliberal tool with a racist rethoric. Reminder that these people are a consequence of Merkel.
I'm sorry german bros, communists should really step up their game, these people who voted for AfD should be with us

NONO THEY ARE LITERALLY HITLER

I thought FDP are the lolberts?

-current AfD candidate

AfD are even more lolbert than the FDP. They want to abolish the progressive tax.

You realize this is just provocation like Trumps Twitter feed right?

Calls to abolish Holocaust memorials are just provocation?

Ehy. Who the fuck cares? How's that any different from legalizing gay marriage or taking down racist statues? They are neoliberals like merkel and SPD. Even if they win it won't make a difference.

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Bet you voted AfD thinking that they are hitler 2.0 eh? Have fun with another israel lover neoliberal with a racist rethoric.

Merkel is already Hitler 2.0, or at least fully in the vein of the long "Germany should dominate and destroy Europe" line. Some lack of riffraff about Jews doesn't really make AfD or the ChristDems any better.

Why are Die Linke so completely fucking incompetent at getting the vote out?


Kill yourself my man.

Capitalists, Jews!

Communists, Jews!

Sure sounds like they have their shit together to master a conspiracy like that without any leaks.

Hitler didn't destroy Europe, the people that fought Germany destroyed Europe.

Did Japan nuke Japan?
No, they fucking didn't force anyone to nuke them, that was on the US.(USER WAS BANNED FOR RUINING EUROPE)

Are you replying to the right thread?
Stop being retarded.

Good on them

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Letting yourself be conquered without fighting back is some cuck shit, but not surprising coming from a cuck ideology

we all know you aren't kraut you just want to be bootyblasted by Hans

SPLIT

People fucking hate identity politics, burning cars of working class people at G20 and don't like open borders. It's as simple as that.

Why don't they stop fucking doing it then?

It's more like Germany is a conservative fucking hell hole the rest of Europe is growing to hate an increasing rate.

Hot fucking take

Because the party is filled to the brim with liberals. Sahra needs to initiate the purge.

I hope whatever happens further fractures the EU. Germany, once again, is fucking everything up in Europe and someone has to spank them back.

Why was Germany even decided to be the head of the European Union? Why not France, why not Britain, why not anything but fucking Germany.

It's part of the national identity to be the final boss of Europe I guess

Are you winning, Leftypol?

What, are you getting hungry you Hun piece of shit?

I thought you hated the EU? I thought we hated the EU?

Hatred of Germany's grasp should be something both of us are mutually invested in, but whenever things go your way in these neoliberal shit pits you throw your hands up and celebrate.

Hmm

Accelerationism will work.

Jean Luc in France has vowed to dismantle the EU if they refuse to reform away their neolib ideologues. And since the rest of the EU pretty much rotates around the axis of France and Germany, I am certain it would implode if Frexit happened.

Sadly, I just don't think Germany has what it takes to fix this.

Because they get associated with autonomous groups that have nothing to do with Die Linke all the time. Some drunk Antifakid destroys a shop window = Linke is held personally accountable.


The last time Sahra made even the slightest remark against IdPol she got a cake thrown at her face.


Are you kidding me? They literally enforce a even more retarded pronoun/gender game in their articles, write shit like "Lehrer*innen". They also buy in this liberal narrative about muh noble savages when it comes to migrants.

If Melenchon doesn't win in 2022 then Germany has won the EU struggle.

What, you like zionist lesbian Bankers now? Then you are indeed winning, Holla Forumscuck.

Have patience. It'll all come to a close. Just, give the first rumbles of more EU secession a decade. Perhaps earlier.

Weimar 2.0 when?

Sahra has spoken on immigration publicly and often in a non-idpol, non-liberal way, and I'm specifically comparing them to the other "leftist" socdem parties/candidates across the western world that are pretty idpol themselves. The idea that Die Linke aren't getting a boost while every other ostensibly left candidate is getting a boost over what they were expected to get has nothing to do with how idpol they are when we've already seen it not play out that way.

and the people at G20 did nothing wrong

FDP and Greens just going to cuck themselves to keep Merkel in power, and their reasoning behind it will be something along the lines of muh responsibility towards the will of the voters etc.

Big green party guy already praised the labor market reforms of Macron. They are full neoliberals who love austerity.

If the leftist members of Die Linke were to split from the shitlibs, with an altered hardline platform to draw in people tired of other parties' neolib/neocon antics, would it be big enough to hold any seats?

If the greens have any balls, loyalty to their base and/or honesty, they shouldn't participate in the government. Hence, they will participate in the government.

Wagenknecht is one person. Most people joined the Linke recently because muh AfD.

They burned the cars of working class people and took selfies in front of it with the newest iPhone. They are fucking retards who accomplished nothing but alienate the working class. If they were serios they focused on cops or tried to get into the G20 itself.

Are you really using the "iphone" rhetoric

If Melenchon loses then the UK will get bullied in the ass by the EU and everyone will call Corbyn "Cuckbyn" for years after it's first funny and we'll rejoin after a decade or two giving Germany more power.

Neocons are neolibs, stop letting retarded burgers confuse you.

Why are Germans the most conservative fucking wastes of space?

I mean it is pretty fucking rich smashing up some guys car and setting it on fire and then immediately engaging in the spectacle with your widget.

Maybe. In the east for sure. Not sure for the Bundestag. Left-Liberals are at least over 50% of Die Linke. Remember that one of the guys of Die Linke who got voted into an office as a state gouverneur supported the privatization of highways.

Because they profit the most out of everyone in the EU.

I doubt it. The hatred of Germany's grip on the EU is reaching a boiling point in the populace of surrounding nations, and the failure of their politicians to do anything but offer appeasement to the structural integrity of the EU will infuriate them further.

How this manifests itself, anyone's guess. But if Germany continues down the road it's finished.

It's the picture which goes arround in people's heads. This was damaging to the left to a humongous degree. You could literally see in the polls Die Linke dropping down almost 4%. This is not my personal opinion. This is reality.

Culture of obedience and mediocrity
The born cuckservatives

Welcome to modern life, you can't change shit. I don't even see the double standard here. There isn't ethical consumption of any sort in late capitalism, you might as well chastise them for wearing bloody capitalist made clothes.

Or hell, you might as well yell at the people who own the cars, for owning a capitalist created car.

And on top of that, how is owning a car not giving yourself up to the spectacle either? Hm? You're basically forced into the position to buy one socially, how is it any different then taking a photo? We've been taking photographs for a while now.

There's a reason people particularly hate iPhones and Starbucks, it isn't because they're consumerist, but because they're popular among a certain type of consumer: Lifestylist hipsters.


Not mutually exclusive in any way, but not the same thing.

Because Germans are conservatives who don't want their pretty little nation to change at the expense of the EU and the rest of the world.

You can't truly believe that there would be a different election results without the riots, could you?

This is exactly the problem with parties.

Everyone owns a fucking smart phone at this point. I don't care if its an android or an iphone, it's basically the same forced position of owning a car. Who owns a god damn flip phone. This is ridiculous.

cnneurope.de/2017/09/24/politics/german-communist-party-wins-election
THE COMMUNIST PARTY OF GERMANY WON THE ELECTIONS

That's not a very materialist/marxist analysis, sure the superstructure plays a role but the reason why Germans are so cucked by neoliberal conservatism is because their export imperialism which ruins the other EU countries is beneficial to the German economy, it also allows us to have cheap prices. A German low wage worker earns shit, it's horrible, but you can buy two meals for two bucks as Aldi

And here I was unironically hoping the DKP made the 0,5% barrier or some shit which would mean public funding

I don't have much pity for the Germans who continually vote not only against their own long term self interest in favor of neoliberals and all sorts of conservative bullshit, but at their responsibility as the patron saint of the EU.

If they had any sense they would reverse course, but they don't. They value nice warm security of themselves over their neighbors, no different then America really.

Germany is soon going to be the virgin of Europe if it doubles down on its demands other nations must obey it. It's in for a surprise.

You realize most Germans are not aware of that and the official narrative is that we are going out of our way to help others. The Bild newspaper made a campaign where German workers took a selfie with a sign thay said "IT IS ENOUGH NOW LAZY GREEKS", nobody knows we actually made a net profit with these credits and that we forced the Greeks to sell their airports to a German cooperation. It's not talked about, everybody thinks we are doing good and it's the others who are just lazy/underdeveloped/corrupt. When members of the Linke point it out, they get called a tinfoil nutcase.

So how are we going to smash German EuroImperialism?

You are describing liberal and conservative parties at an electoral level, the neo part of the word changes it and becomes confusing because the two terms came from different times in history to talk about different things. Neocons are a faction of conservatives that wanted more aggressive foreign policy in the US, but their system is still neoliberal. Neoliberalism can be described as the global economic and political power of the entrenched two party liberal/conservative false dichotomy. All of those things you listed (Military adventurism, corporate welfare, public debt, open borders, privatization, weak government) can represent neoliberal interests, which are largely about stripping the power of states and transferring it to corporations, however they will of course pilfer taxpayer money at every opportunity.

Much the same as America, this deception of the voter will only come to haunt Germany at a later date. Perhaps soon, perhaps later. The difference is, even in America there's a fury over the government not doing enough. This is something I don't see in Germany, they're blissfully unaware, as you've said, that they're doing anything wrong.

When other countries begin to have friction over Germany's rule of the EU, who knows what will Germany do politically. Perhaps move farther right, as they don't understand just why other countries populations are beginning to loathe their state so.

Germany already is a paper tiger of se some sort. No new investments are made, Asians are outcompeting is left and right. The only chance would have been a tight economic relation with Russia, but neocon hawks saw to that.

Even our military is shit, despite a galactical budget. Corruption and cronies are everywhere, the people of VW who faked the emissions got new positions in the commission that is supposed to investigate their own crimes. That's worse than burgerland. Future looks long as Mutti Merkel and that wheelchair Goebbels Schäuble are steering the country into the abyss.

Future looks grim*

The same deal as before: get most of the rest of Europe together to BTFO of G*rmany.

how the fuck are you supposed to play as the greens?

That we can agree on. But regardless it still has enough political clout to have other nations, France as a large example, to say "We must keep the structure of the EU intact and not focus our rage on Germany". Which in the future is not going to be an electable position.

The neoliberal hegemony, this Nu-Colonialism with America in tow, is beginning to see its first real fractures. Britain leaving was first. What happens next, who knows. But as long as the EU continues down this path of austerity, there's only so long Germany's political clout in the EU can last its surrounding nations growing unease.

This is retarded. The spectacle has a specific meaning, and having your car set on fire and becoming part of it doesn't make you as guilty for engaging with it as the dipshit twink taking a photo of himself doing it.

Which, again, puts them on the same track as every other left party in the west, where more leftist candidates surged while many of their traditional support was pretty solidly liberal

Cars were a mistake, yes.

This strikes me as less a leftist critique of their actions and more ceding rhetorical ground to liberal conceptions of cultural markers/signifiers as being more important than actual class distinctions.

This is just your typical German though.

Their posters are everywhere in Duisburg, even though nobody actually votes for them. What a bunch of sad fools.

Neither is "a picture of fire significantly changed the political outlook of the country"

Are the german the most classcucked people in Europe? I thought Italians were at the top. Holy fuck you krauts did it again

Why not? It's still issues of ethical consumption. And there's a social aspect of owning a car. Forget about setting this or that on fire. I'm saying there's spectacle of the automobile industry as well.

So chastising people for owning phones that can photograph, it's pure hypocrisy. It's shit I should hear elsewhere. Commercially bought goods are just as much part of the spectacle as anything else, and there isn't much fucking alternative when Capitalism has monopoly. Focusing on one aspect of it all and not the grander picture is liberal.

nah, it's poles.

The same way we always have.

No, we are good.

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We're all watching you do great. We're cheering you on, in fact. Everyone's happy :)

Yes my friend. Dankeschön, wir tun unser Bestes. :)

I was being sarcastic. You suck Germany.

Why are you mean? :(

I don't care about the Bundestagswahl anyways, I only care about whether this Outlet Center will be built in Duisburg. Because I love shopping.

If you can't actually see how a car has more use than a social media computer then I fear that you have spent too much time smelling your own farts.

wew lad

Can someone translate this into a civilised language?

Lol, fuck Ostdeutschland. Everyone knows that we are the best Bundesland.

results in east germany

It's not that hard to guess. You see the percentages. This is how Eastern Germany (former GDR) elected.

It's a mobile phone, it can be vital in emergencies, etc. And just as the car is, you have to keep buying the latest model to built in obsolescence and there's a culture of technological commercialist bullshit around it as well. There is spectacle over cars as there is spectacle over phones, pointing out "Oh this person is taking a photograph", is as fucking stupid now as it would have been 30 years ago. Nobody is holding around a Nikon camera anymore, the alternative is easier.

You're also acting like public transit doesn't exist.

I believe blaming people for their choice in phones is more spectacle than taking a photo of a riot.

i mog nimmer, bernd, i mog sterm

I was born one mornin', it was drizzlin' rain
Fightin' and trouble are my middle name
I was raised in the canebrake by an ol' mama lion
Can't no-a high-toned woman make me walk the line

You load sixteen tons, what do you get?
Another day older and deeper in debt
Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go
I owe my soul to the company store

Here's to you Germany

Well, at least the Portuguese Communist Party will get like 30 mayors and 200 councillors next Sunday…

Internationale solidarität!

At least Catalonia will be independent sooon

This is a mighty backpedal. The criticism is taking a selfie of yourself with a car you've torched and posting it on social media with your overpriced, low spec, obsolescence laden designer tech, this is quite possibly the most radical liberal act a human being is currently capable of.
Also
Don't do this.
I'm from the UK where it's a complete rip off, constantly late, and has massive areas of no coverage. I suppose you could be forgiven for shitting on Germans for having cars when their transport is some of the cheapest in Europe. Generally messing with peoples cars here is grounds for getting put in hospital.

See nothing you're saying is in disagreement with me. Phones are becoming as mandatory as cars, nobody owns a flip phone. Some things are necessary in Capitalism, and there's no ethical consumption within it.

Our only disagreement is taking a photo of a burning car, but would that be different in any other time in the 20th century? People have more access to cameras now then they did then. It's just a stupid argument because the spectacle and corporate culture around phones and cars exist. And you can't live without owning one these days.

The thing is if you actually look at Germany it sure looks scary; high GDP, the media praising Merkel as the "leader of the free world", high military budget, German exports fucking everywhere. But once you analyze things more in-depth, you will discover that our future prospects look rather gloomy. Authoritarian Asian state capitalist systems are much better equipped for the 21st century.

I mean hell, we need two decades to build a regular airport. We invent the Transrapid, then shy away from it and sell it to China, and chinks built it within a year and is now an attraction in Shanghai. I wish the GDR was arround. They wouldn't have asked for permission, they would just build the fucking thing since their economy wouldn't operate fully under the law of value.

Bartoschek verpiß dich

Nordrhein-Westfalen ist das unsympathischste Bundesland gleich nach Niedersachsen. Wenn ich schon diesen kölschen Minusmenschen Dialekt irgendwo höre kriege ich das Bedürfnis einen Jecken an seinen Eingeweiden aufzuhängen.

Ehy man don't speak like that, there are non germans here too

Was sagten Sie über Niedersachsen?

Ich fühle mich gerade hart getriggert, Genosse. Hoffentlich sind deine Eingeweide reißfest. Darauf ein Kölsch

It's the fucking corruption and nepotism going totally out of hand under the fucking Neocons/Neoliberals. I can witness it on smaller scale on a community project in my village first hand. We've poured already over double of what was expected and it's still not nearly finished, because some asshole company is sueing another asshole company in order to push him out of the project. Ee've spent millions not for the property, material and workers, but for fucking lawyers and "consulters". it's so frustrating.

How the fuck did the AfD get so strong in EAST GERMANY of all places?

Besause East Germany is lost. We call them Ossis. Ossis are the lowest of humanity. Without West Germany, the Ossis would be eating roaches and dirt today.

East Germany has been full of Nazis since the 90ies.

Please explain this

It's pointless.

Does the rest of the world really think that eastern Germany is a leftist heaven

This is priceless. I seriously suspected it to be way worse in eastern Germany.

How much did they get?

hEH

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Because of the hit and miss quality of wikipedia the most popular chart mapping Linke's success in the former DDR is from 2010(?) when things were looking much more optimistic.

Did the definition of "full of" change recently? They did well compared to doing fuck-all previously, and that's with no real alternatives

Can the MLPD still win it all?

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No. Nobody actually votes for them. They are a literal meme.

I think they can still win in first place!

That and also ex gdr berlin is full of nice gadgets from that era. I know about olstalgie, now it's all about selling toys. I'm gonna throw my bottle of gdr coca cola now

Then you must be an Ossi.

What do you mean they are a meme?

You're all krauts to me.

Assadcuckery. Not even once.

Nobody wants mass immigration here (including myself) because it puts pressure on wages. The AfD ran a MASSIVE anti immigration campaign here since they were founded. They are actually more present than Merkel's CDU in terms of advertisements. But the worst thing is that the AfD is already deeply rooted in the state structure e.g. police. After the reunification West-German elites installed exclusively West-German civil-servants in all high positions in the administrative body e.g. courts, universities, schools and so on. They sent of course only super reactionary right wing types to get rid of all old leftist GDR networks and structures within the administrative body. So over here in Saxony we have reactionaries in public and private schools and we have high judges who are either far right CDU or AfD members and get to judge cases against leftist journalists who investigate corruption within the state…

MLPD isn't a meme, they are filthy rich and do a lot of international work. Ever wondered why there is so much propaganda against the MLPD and why people claim the most ridiculous shit about them?

Sachsen baby

Haha, Sachsen sind ohne Scheiß die größten Untermenschen aller Zeiten. Schade, dass Sachsen nicht wie Bayern eine Unabhängigkeitsbewegung hat…

lmao looking forward to the next state elections in Saxony. Get ready for a popular anti-fascist front with CDU and Linke against AfD at 45%

Ich schäme mich so sehr. Konnte mir sowas aber schon denken, habe selbst in der Verwandtschaft Leute, die früher Linke gewählt haben und zur AfD wechselten, freilich ohne deren Wahlprogramm zu kennen. Ich glaube wir sind das dümmste Bundesland Deutschlands. Tötet uns.

Nichts lieber als das.

Vielleicht berufen sich die Identitären demnächst auf den germanischen Stamm der Sachsen, damit lässt sich arbeiten.

In Retrospektive klingen Bomben auf Dresden gar nicht so verkehrt.

Bayern ist Osten du Mongo, zumindest kulturell haben die Bajuwaren mehr mit den Tschechen und Sudeten zutun als mit den Rheinländern.

Der größte Untermensch im deutschen Internet bist neben Rechtsruck immer noch du, Kotmann. Verpiß dich.

Ja mit uns rheinländischen Herrenmenschen haben die Sachsen nun wirklich nichts gemein.

Das habe ich sowieso nicht so ganz verstanden, woher kommt dieser angebliche 400.000 Personen starke Übergang von der PdL zur AfD? Gar so unsicher in seinem eigenen Weltbilt und Politik kann man doch gar nicht sein, oder?

are we gonna have to bomb these assholes in another war?

Bomben für Dresden

cdu dropped another point in ostdeutschland

BILD-Bartoschek, du solltest dich nicht angesprochen fühlen. Du bist ein riesiges Stück Scheiße und stehst moralisch noch unter AfD-Wählern. Wie sehr ich dich verachte kann ich gar nicht ausdrücken.

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Lmao, pay repariations Jermoney pls, t. Bolan

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Jaja, geh dich bei deinen Ossi-Freunden ausheulen. Ihr Ossis könnt so einiges nicht ausdrücken, inklusive eurer Pickel.

youtube.com/watch?v=NO1vUMzKslA

bolan bls
Not sure why there are two of these

Ich verstehe es auch nicht wirklich und ich lebe hier seit 40 Jahren.
Es ist keine Unsicherheit und es wird nicht nach Ideologie und Gewohnheit gewählt. Es wurde die Anti-Immigrationspropaganda der AfD gewählt. Die Linke hat sich in der Flüchlingskrise völlig unkritisch auf die Seite der Konzerne gestellt. Die AfD konnte das für sich nutzen.

Ich würde keine Träne vergießen, wenn dir mal ausversehen jemand das große eitrige Pickel auf deinem Hals ausdrückt, du polnischer Möchtegernherrenmensch.

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imo it's probably a good thing the AFD and FDP got so high, SPD won't be in a grand coalition and will have a chance to actually distinguish itself from the MerkelBorg (maybe even reconcile with Die Linke but that's a bit fantasy) while the FDP and Greens will be forced to compromise in the name of governing. Plus I'm sure Merkel will go to the right on immigration/identity issues to neutralize the AFD which will probably work.

Why are they so small then? They have like 2000 members? ANd what are the differmces between them and the DKP?

Schulz could be sincerly open for that, he comes from a working class background after all. But Netzwerkers and Seeheimers inside the SPD will certainly cockblock any real attempts in that direction and in case it does materialize they're gonna sabotage the political results.
Merkel has no interest in neutralizing the AfD at all. Just like the CDU the AfD is very useful for the corporate elite either in the government or the opposition.

Grand coalition is the only future Germany has against the rising tide of fascism. We cannot abandon it.

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They are pushing the anuddah shoah / replacement conspiracy in their campaign ads: afd.de/werbespots/

In leaked internal chats they talk just like pol, dream of total power, establishing a state censorship board for the press, and expanding national borders: welt.de/politik/deutschland/article165779082/AfD-Mann-Poggenburg-fordert-Deutschland-den-Deutschen.html


It's still fascism. It does not matter if the motivation is irony or provocation. They are a political party that is gaining power, not some edgy idiot begging for replies on the Internet.

No it's not. Racism is not fascism. They like trump are neoliberals. We don't have to fear them. Merkel is more dangerous

In all seriousness trough, can we all agree that this is a good result as it forces left back to block politics?

Because the fact that East Germany is such a shithole leads them to vote for the 'alternative' parties rather than the establishment ones. Similar to why people might vote for Trump - they hope it will change their situation.

Is it true that this crisis made housing price skyrocket? I remember in 2013 when I lived in berlin that an appartment in neukölln (yeah I wanted something edgy) was not that much cheaper than a palce in Mitte. In a good sense, they were both cheap as fuck

The grand coalition is what brought fascism onto the table again and us all into this super unfortunate situation ffs

AfD are hardly fascist, just the typical right-wingers(otherwise they might actually oppose NATO or EU).

it'll lead to some temporary setbacks for sure, but I'd agree with you in the long term. The Greens are going to get savaged by this coalition, and I highly doubt Merkel will try for another term with four more years of baggage. Which should give the SPD an opening especially without coalition baggage dragging on it.

hardly, its yet another "populist" party that vaulted to popularity as a nebulous anti establishment movement, in this case because the CDU/SPD were barely distinguishable and left a nice vacuum to the right of the CDU.

Housing prices are indeed skyrocketing (Leipzig up to 30% p.a.) but that has nothing to do with immigration or an economic crisis. There is no real hard crisis here, (umemployment is low etc.). People's main concern is immigration and the AfD benefitted from that. The increase in housing prices here is due to real estate speculation and gentrification (lots of people move in to Leipzig, it's Germany's fastest growing city since several years in a row).

You must be fucking kidding. Are you living under a rock or something?

I just want idpol to die

read the top part of my post

There was a fucking lit stasi museum in that place.
Cool. But tbh what you said in the previous post about pressure on wages is true. The left should drop the immigration thing completley. Adopting an anti immigration stance is the best was (mind me, not an anti immgrant stance). Also yesterday I saw a girl in television that said that merkel managed the immigrant situation well… There are people in germany who unironically belive this?

Still not fascism. Using a nationalistic rethoric doesn't make you a fascist. The trend in the world now is neolibs with a racist nationalistic rethoric. We don't have to hate them because they are racist or wanna look fascist, we have to hate them because they are neoliberals

Ben's really starting to lose it

Look at what the other Germans( )
have posted in this thread their analysis is lot better and fitting since they are aware of the realpolitiks in Germany

yall like hannes wader?

youtube.com/watch?v=RtJPC1KIl60

youtube.com/watch?v=z5BFZCFw3yk&list=PL-Mn1AcYZvkQx00ZZD0pNDp7RZmKrqQfG

really makes me think

I'd love to see a CDU/AfD coalition. That will really rustle some jimmies.

So Petry's gonna be in parliament now? noice.
Did the guy running for PM win?

It's going to be the Jamaica Colition, Schultz will be opposition along with Linke and AfD.
CDU doesn't have the balls to drop Merkel so it's never going to happen. They would need to lose first.

Has Merkel said she will never coalition with the AfD? Then again I guess they always have Schulz to be a good boy for them way before that is on the table.

Stalin should have been harsher on the Germans
I would love to see the outcome of Trotsky capturing Germany, he was called the new Napoleon

Pro immigration parties promoting irrelevant shiting in their ads lol whi.te gen.pcide is just a wacky conspiracy theory tho

Yo, stop larping?

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They may have won votes, but most folks who voted for them aren't ideologically aligned with them but are just using them to show the finger to the established parties. The don't really have power. Their only danger is that they further legitimize right wing policies by the already established parties. Which is already happening. Merkel and her crew immediately started started to go right to "win back AfD-Voters."

Last year they had 8.6%

4.9/5
Breddy Good :DDDD

East Germans gave their former communist overlords 17.1%, proving once again how traumatised they are.

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lmao

cnneurope.de/2017/09/24/politics/german-communist-party-wins-election

Lel

wtf lmao????? is that satirical?

Sadly, yes.

Oh no!

You realise that the context is entirely different, right?

nazbols confirmed brain damaged

It's not "entirely different".

The phrase "Germany for the Germans" has one meaning, that is the national autonomy of the German people in their homeland. This maxim can be applied in different situations of course, resulting in the opposition to foreign, American-Soviet hegenomy or to replacement immigration.

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Neoliberals with a veneer of fascist populism are not actual fascists, stop falling for this shit. You're literally buying into the exact image they're trying to construct for themselves in order to seem anti-establishment. It's the same shit that happened with Trump. He knew the right dogwhistles and the right rhetoric, but almost a year into his 1st term and he's been hardly any different than your average neocon in terms of policy.

independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/german-election-results-afd-win-frauke-petry-quits-resigns-whip-group-merkel-latest-2017-a7965321.html

These types of maps are so pretty, I could stare at them all day.
wahl.tagesspiegel.de/2017/en/
wahl.tagesspiegel.de/2017/karten/wahlkreise/
wahl.tagesspiegel.de/2017/karten/wahlbezirke/

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nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/08/world/europe/british-general-election-results-analysis.html?mcubz=1
This one is way old but it's also great.
Look around for Tory seats without a majority and and where UKIP voters went from the previous election.