Why should I choose collectivism over individualism? What's in it for me?...

Jaxon Gray
Jaxon Gray

Why should I choose collectivism over individualism? What's in it for me? What's the difference between
muh nation
muh working class

Jeremiah Diaz
Jeremiah Diaz

Why should I choose collectivism over individualism

Because you as an individual are given hardly any difference than anyone else.

It would be better to help individuals than an individual.

Nathan Phillips
Nathan Phillips

The working class is international. It does not stop at the border. Also, collectivism vs individualism is a false dichotomy.

Cameron Smith
Cameron Smith

those are mutually exclusive somehow

Carter Hughes
Carter Hughes

how is capitalism not a form of collectivism??

Jason Gomez
Jason Gomez

What's in it for you to support an economic system where the owners of the means of production get damn near everything and the rest just get the scraps? And the planet is destroyed for their greed, whilst they make shitty products designed to break down so you'll constantly have to buy new ones, whilst distracting you with shitty conveyor-belt cultural products interrupted by commercials? Unless you're actually a member of the bourgeoisie, capitalism is not in your interests.

Colton Gutierrez
Colton Gutierrez

You can be an individual without a collective, but you cannot have a collective without individuals.

Daniel White
Daniel White

Why should I chose civilization of living like a bear out in the woods? What's in it for me? What's the difference between

Consuming manufactured goods and using an indoor toilet.
Eating berries and shitting in the woods?

Parker Harris
Parker Harris

Communism is about individualism more than capitalism has ever been.

Isaac Powell
Isaac Powell

Groups of humans are always stronger than the sum of its parts.
This Ayn Rand fantasy of some kind of ubermensch who can survive in isolation and sustain himself? That person just doesn't exist.

Ayden Butler
Ayden Butler

Picnic baskets belong to us all!

Hudson Brown
Hudson Brown

Blatantly false. All individuals belong to a collective of some sort.

Samuel White
Samuel White

No such thing as society
Voluntary association creating business cabals to pull at the great chain of self interest together
"I have NOTHING in common with these people."

Collectivism's pretty cool. Maybe I'm an undiagnosed autist, but I like the idea of a society wearing matching jumpsuits and following a strict government mandated work schedule for the glory of the image of some stern, yet confidence inspiring looking guy on a telly screen.

Dominic Murphy
Dominic Murphy

No man is an island.

Caleb Martinez
Caleb Martinez

Individualism is an illusion.

Jaxon Adams
Jaxon Adams

I'm not passing judgement, I'm merely stating that you can be an individual without being a member of a collective.

Aaron Foster
Aaron Foster

You should join the military.

William Allen
William Allen

nah go to the YPG instead. something actually worth fighting for.

Brayden Bell
Brayden Bell

And I'm saying that's false.

Jaxson Barnes
Jaxson Barnes

and a pig can temporarily fly for few seconds before dropping.

Oliver Hernandez
Oliver Hernandez

because individualist ideologies are fucking lame

Liam Hughes
Liam Hughes

(Nuclear) Family is tool of capitalist control

Zachary Butler
Zachary Butler

can you actually explain this?
I see that mentioned here a lot, but I don't understand directly how.

Nicholas Walker
Nicholas Walker

Unless you define a collective as one or more individual(s) then you're incorrect.

Brayden Young
Brayden Young

col·lec·tive
kəˈlektiv/
adjective
Done by people acting as a group.
"a collective protest"

Henry Rogers
Henry Rogers

see

Sebastian Lewis
Sebastian Lewis

likes individualism
supports a system that hinders the ability of the vast majority of people to express themselves as individuals

Noah Wright
Noah Wright

A man is not an island.
I agree with you. They are not the same.

man
man/
noun
1.
an adult human male.
synonyms:
male, adult male, gentleman;
2.
a human being of either sex; a person.
"God cares for all races and all men"
synonyms:
human being, human, person, mortal, individual, personage, soul
"all men are mortal"

is·land
ˈīlənd/
noun
noun: island; plural noun: islands
1.
a piece of land surrounded by water.
synonyms:
isle, islet; atoll; archipelago
"she lived on an island"
a thing resembling an island, especially in being isolated, detached, or surrounded in some way.

Ryan Rogers
Ryan Rogers

Literally every person belongs to at least one collective. And this is a moot point because the collectivism vs individualism dichotomy is propaganda designed to make socialism look like the fucking Borg.

Andrew Roberts
Andrew Roberts

I'm just agreeing with you that a man != an island.
One is a mammal, the other a piece of sub-continental land that is surrounded by water.
They are clearly not the same, they're not even similar.

Brandon Ortiz
Brandon Ortiz

at the end of the day it comes down to what you think individualism is.

If you evaluate your worth as an individual as the amount of power you can potentially have over your fellow men, then go ahead and enjoy capitalism (as long as you have money of course), otherwise if you think the value of an individual is on what it can be, then capitalism, muh boi, is not the place for you.

Evan Adams
Evan Adams

Do you know what a metaphor is?

Isaac Baker
Isaac Baker

I distrust metaphors because of their lack of reciprocal correspondence between dual real-world and imaginary meanings.
I do like the ones where the metaphor part is true and the literal part is true.
"No man is an island" works on both levels.

Gavin Richardson
Gavin Richardson

What is this post-modern garbage?

Alexander Stewart
Alexander Stewart

If you're born rich and you'll be rich your whole life there really is none. But if you not part of the .001% of the human population it would behoove you to spread the wealth. Even millionaires would benefit from the ultra-rich not hoarding everything.

Thomas Gutierrez
Thomas Gutierrez

There is no such thing as individuality:
there is only commodities, and there is the spectacle.

Colton Lee
Colton Lee

Collectivism is individualism

Isaac Brown
Isaac Brown

I am merely stating that the conventional metaphor pervades our conceptual system and when it's used as a primary mechanism for understanding puts us at odds with the contemporary views of language, meaning, truth, and understanding.

Jayden Adams
Jayden Adams

That's not post modernism its just aspergers

Connor Cox
Connor Cox

I was born rich and I will be my whole life, but I still organize and believe in revolution because what's happening is fucked. I could live with waaaay less and still be just as happy. I look at my fellow man and I feel shitty that nothing is being done to help them.

Jordan Davis
Jordan Davis

"No man is an island" works on both levels.
So does "beauty is only skin deep."
Have you seen someone who's had their skin peeled off? Looks like shit.

Isaiah Edwards
Isaiah Edwards

Give me some of your money then.
It will make me happy.

William Collins
William Collins

Oh my god shut the fuck up

Anthony Parker
Anthony Parker

I beg to differ

Jordan Gonzalez
Jordan Gonzalez

Are you, like, a valley girl from, like the 90s oh mygawd?

Dominic Nguyen
Dominic Nguyen

Individualism/Collectivisim dichotomy is a meme
It can be argued that communism is far more individualist than capitalism. unless you're a porky you have no reason whatsoever to support capitalism, it's not in your own self-interest.

Zachary Sanders
Zachary Sanders

I put my money where it'll make a real difference, bb.

Elijah Reyes
Elijah Reyes

The answer I'd except from a greedy poser.

Nathaniel Wood
Nathaniel Wood

If you're not a worker then kys, no point in making this thread

Parker Smith
Parker Smith

Communism is individualism.

Jose Hill
Jose Hill

yes

Parker James
Parker James

go read some theory before posting such idiocy

Anthony Torres
Anthony Torres

I reject this controlled opposition.

Robert Taylor
Robert Taylor

You shouldn't, you're clearly too stupid.

Anthony Howard
Anthony Howard

I'm sorry but I'm not here to spoonfeed him Adorno and cultural industry alienation bullshit, convincing a worker of joining our cause if far easier than trying to resonate with a porky

Jack Cruz
Jack Cruz

What is Engels

Ayden Edwards
Ayden Edwards

Someone somewhere will exploit you somehow as long as there is private property. Sure, you might be able to exploit someone else for some scraps and bones, but there will always be someone else leeching off of you and living better quality life. If you have any respect for yourself and your skills, you should support your right for the full rewards of your labour.

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

Out of curiosity, how are you so rich that you don't have to work in your whole life? Don't fucking tell me you've got stocks.

Aaron Jones
Aaron Jones

capitalism is individualist xdddd

t. never read a single individualist philosophy text

John Bailey
John Bailey

capitalism is individualist
individualism means "WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME"

read a book please

Gabriel Sullivan
Gabriel Sullivan

It's a false dichotomy you sperg. Think of it as a collective solidarity of radical individuals.

Anthony Bennett
Anthony Bennett

Does stirner cover these themes in his book?

Anthony Williams
Anthony Williams

big bang theory memes
Go back to porkybook

Jacob Cruz
Jacob Cruz

you should support your right for the full rewards of your labour.
hey comrade, give us your grain or we'll shoot you
Hmmmmmm.

Nathaniel Turner
Nathaniel Turner

tfw the vanguards of the revolution will be trust fund kids with an adderal addiction and polo shirts

Jack Cooper
Jack Cooper

Does anyone have pointers on why collectivism vs individualism is a false dichotomy?

Usually I attack the >hurr individualism either using Oscar Wilde or Stirner but I want to show that it's a bullshit separation that doesn't favour the person using it.

Asher Lewis
Asher Lewis

Sup Norm Macdonald

Josiah Wilson
Josiah Wilson

Recognize the dialectical relationship between individual and society. There is no such thing as an individual without a society. One can not in any sense separate oneself from the rest of the people, nevermind what some delusional individualists may dream about.

Saging a cancer thread.

Adam Watson
Adam Watson

Better material conditions. Capitalism is a gamble and most people get fucked.

Oliver Torres
Oliver Torres

Individualism vs collectivism is a meme. Capitalism is the most "collectivist" ideology; it literally abstracts human lives into cogs in the cycle of capital. Only by abolishing capital will you allow individuals to realise their potential

Xavier Garcia
Xavier Garcia

how2 into dialectics for someone with no training in philosophy

Luis Powell
Luis Powell

this. the amount of sacrifices you have to make in order to maintain capitalism is absolutely insane.

Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

Probably good to start with early greek philosophy, I guess. You can also read Politzer but his introduction to philosophy is very bare bones and oversimplistic at times.

Sebastian Reed
Sebastian Reed

It is in the individual interest to be in a collective. I don't see how it is individualism working in a sweatshop for 12 hours all your life just to live. Individuality will come about through communal independence.

Henry Cooper
Henry Cooper

This smells badly of democratic ideology.

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