Sowwie, but I need advice. What book should I recommend? I thought about memeing Cockshott but she looks kinda young, idk if she'll be into it. Anyway with all the e-celeb threads lately I figure this is just pissing into an ocean of piss.
Inb4 /leftytrash/>inb4 namefaggingSowwie, but I need advice
Bookchin's collection of essays, The Next Revolution. Especially since she wanted contemporary things.
HANDS OFF MY WAIFU!
"Towards A New Socialism" is going to be very palatable to most people because it elucidates a ready-made model of socialism which can provide all the benefits (efficiency, speed, autonomy where possible) of modern capitalism. If you want actual modern theory which goes beyond the various utopian propositions of Bookchin, Fotopoulos, Cockshott, Devine, etc, there is "Eclipse And Reemergence Of The Communist Movement" (readable for starters) or, at a higher level but a personal favorite of mine, "The Coming Insurrection".
Looks like Holla Forums just found a queen bee.
Gary is my bb grill
leave her alone
Damn, didn't know that programme was still in the public consciousness let alone immortalized in GIF form.
There's some pretty great GIFs out there of it, honestly.
Like clockwork the drones swarm to fight for their queen…
Wilfred was such a Gavin And Stacey-tier programme. Weird seeing American actors like Elijah Wood star in it.
She'll love this one and won't fall for retarded memes in the future (muh glorious motherland, muh co-ops).
how do you pronounce Dauve
Dauv-hey. "é" is pronunced a bit like the 'ey' in "hey", or the "ay" in "may" (Mélenchon ≈ 'May'-lenchon). It's not exactly the same sound ("é" has a more abrupt end) but close enough and every French people will understand you.
Use google translate for french, remember there's é rather than e
Is Dauv pronunced as a "DAWV" or "DOVE"(like, i dove off the side of the ship)
Also, I'm not sure what she means by 'strong left', does she mean communism? or just succdem
I'm looking for at least 1 normie tier intro to socialism/theory.
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I'd agree this is accessible. 17 Contradiction and the end of Capitalism by David Harvey and Jacobin's ABC's of Socialism pamphlet are also good first books to read.
This is an excellent essay and pretty easy to follow but iirc Dauve uses some Marxist jargon that would not be understood by the uninitiated(proletariat, bourgeoisie, use value, exchange value, etc). There are also quite a few references to historical events which aren't well known by your average anglo.
(e)au = o. So Dauvé is phonetically equivalent as Dové.
There are no difference in pronunciation between French and English when it comes to "o".
I find it weird how Anglos have a hard time with his name. Like Douglas Lain too wasn't sure how to pronounce it correctly in a Zero Squared podcast.
i like her attitude she is funny haha
It's actually vinterflamma
deleted her twitter
This is an excellent essay and pretty easy to follow but iirc Dauve uses some Marxist jargon that would not be understood by the uninitiated(proletariat, bourgeoisie, use value, exchange value, etc).
She can just google them though. The concepts are pretty simple.
There are also quite a few references to historical events which aren't well known by your average anglo.
AFAIK it was only the May 68 stuff, about which I didn't know anything either.
Debt: the first 5000 years
k i responded to her. Sorry I couldn't include everyone suggestions I was looking for books that were beginner level and <300 pages. All that Bookchin and Dauve stuff is great though and I've downloaded pdfs of it.
I also have a hard copy of:
Debt: the first 5000 years
I saw your comment. Just don't forget to mention Dauvé some other time, ok? We desperately need a leftcom waifu.
I told her msg me on twitter, I'll see if she does it. Then I'll talk to her about more stuff. Plus I need to read that Dauve article myself
Do Cockshott OP. Every socialist needs to read it by the revolution.
You gigantic faggot
I have to read more of Bookchins stuff before I can recommend it, it would be pretty embaressing to get into a convo about it when im not well informed
Ask her out on a date where you both google Bookchin together, you know without the google part.
Then I'll talk to her about more stuff
It had better be about Dauvé !
Also, I ship it
Plus I need to read that Dauve article myself
they remade the show for Americans using the same Australian guy to play the dog.
They're gonna REEEEEEE out as soon as they get to
nigger fresh from the bush.
that quote should be used to market cockshott to /pol/
Having learned what is pretty much "tourist-basic French" (though I hope to actually learn it in the future) and thereby having observed other people it as well as myself while learning it, French seems to be infamous among some of the Anglosphere for being a language with a ridiculous level of disconnect between how words are spoken versus how they're written/spelled (I know this sounds ridiculous/hypocritical from a burger but it is what it is). The idea of reading something in French just seems a bit intimidating when something like "millefeuille" is pronounced "mill-FOY".
With that said, I would like to murder the person/people who standardized how Chinese words are transliterated into English
French seems to be infamous among some of the Anglosphere for being a language with a ridiculous level of disconnect between how words are spoken versus how they're written/spelled (I know this sounds ridiculous/hypocritical from a burger but it is what it is).
No, I just spent two weeks in Germany, and I got that feeling too, I can understand.
For example, I could get the meaning of some written words by deducing its roots, as they are the same as English or French sometimes, but I often couldn't match the name of stations as told by the synthetic voices in the public transports to their written equivalent.
It's just hard for me to imagine what are the difficulties you face the most when you learn French since it's my native language, but getting good at translating text to speech is definitely hard when learning a language (maybe more in French than English or German idk).
She'll be back.
I assume she just means a well organized Left, and a Left that is distinctly Left, i.e. Marxist/Socialist, and not just Liberal nonsense.
This. But also Eclipse isn't too bad, but reading Marx first is necessary. Marxists really underestimate how confusing non-Marxists find our jargon. It once took a friend of mine a whole hour just to wrap their head around the basic concept of Dialectical Materialism, and I'm not too bad at explaining this shit, it's just that a lot of this stuff is very alien to the non-initiated, and it's a lot less obvious then one would think.
Plus I need to read that Dauve article myself
It's real good! You won't regret it!
Another vote for TANS here.
Eh, Graeber's Debt is interesting (liked the bits about the concept of debt in fairy tales and languages), but extremely chaotic. I never make notes when I read a book and usually have no problem finding parts again that I liked for quotation, but with that book I absolutely couldn't remember the structure. Maybe I'm getting senile. The book has a lot of remarks put in the endnotes. Can anyone tell by which rule Graeber decided to put something there?
The scope of the book is so wide that there is no way a single human being could know much about all of that, and people familiar with specific parts of what is covered have criticized those parts to no end. Here is a not very enthusiastic review: http://www.erasmatazz.com/library/book-reviews/book-reviews-for-2016/debt-the-first-5000-years.html I wish Graeber had stuck to a smaller scope than 5000 years of the entire world and researched that with more care. I recommend his essay on bullshit jobs, but not that book.
French has more regular pronunciation than German which has more regular pronunciation than English.
already answered the question bruh, /thread
Critique of the Gotha Programme
Zizek's Violence maybe?
She asked for contemporary stuff, jackass.
has anyone shilling for Jacobin's book ever read it? This shit is fucking terrible.
its terrible to us because we are reading alot of theory, its good for normies
Get her to read that Capitalist Realism book by that guy who committed suicide.
You're right, it's probably better to listen to Wolff rather than merely read him. He's a very persuasive speaker.
Sigh… That's why I shilled for Dauvé. She asked for socialist theory not for "capitalism with a human face" bullshit. "The hell of capitalism is the firm, not the fact that the firm has a boss."
this book is actually quite good, it explains the fine details of the recent economic crises and how they pertain to an undemocratic economy. whether you want to interpret that as a call for socialism or a call for co-ops is up to you. it's clear what wolff prefers but his insight is quite useful
"capitalism with a human face" bullshit
Maybe you should try reading the book.
this honestly. I'm glad he put it in there.