If something exists, does that not mean that there must be a something-est...

Cooper Rodriguez
Cooper Rodriguez

If something exists, does that not mean that there must be a something-est something?

Say for the sake of argument that we both agree that a trumpet is something that exists. From among the entirety of the species of what we identify as a trumpet, would we be able to identify the one that most embodied the qualities of being a trumpet?

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Jaxon Walker
Jaxon Walker

No fuck off Plato.

Nathan Rivera
Nathan Rivera

*hits bong*

Logan Perry
Logan Perry

a trombone

Robert Young
Robert Young

If something exists, does that not mean that there must be a something-est something?
Fuck off Plato.

Wyatt Baker
Wyatt Baker

let's say, for arguments' sake, that this is true. then what?

Jace Jones
Jace Jones

Well, where does one start? There is an idea of the trumpet, but wouldn't it be better to divide this idea further according to the uses of the trumpet? So then we get trumpet A and trumpet B, with their properties changing as so does their use? Would the best trumpet be the best for what? I guess it is the one who most satisfies the trumpeter's needs when playing.

Brayden Peterson
Brayden Peterson

well we argue all the time about which form of leftism the marxist-est leftism so it must be true, right…?

Adam Jenkins
Adam Jenkins

OP, you overlooked a fact: you could have trumpetness, but the moment you perceive trumpetess you need to recognize a negative of it.

Easton Foster
Easton Foster

If something exists
Let me stop you right there because nothing exists. Thing-ness is an abstraction created by our minds to make the world inelligible. The world is simply the world, a vast holistic existence. Whatever we might say about things as things (rather than things as references to the universe within particular bounds) applies only to the abstract, artificial echo of the world we create to deal with the world.

Carson Walker
Carson Walker

Posadism is the form from which all other forms of imperfect leftism are derived. I thought we all knew this?

Henry Lewis
Henry Lewis

Natural numbers "exist". What's the largest number?

inb4 norman wildberger

Leo Jones
Leo Jones

Are you an empiricist?

Angel Peterson
Angel Peterson

I guess.

Lucas Smith
Lucas Smith

the marxist-est leftism is leftism without marx

Nathan Hill
Nathan Hill

all the trumpets should go to the best trumpet player

Colton White
Colton White

implying things inside your head aren't material

Henry Jackson
Henry Jackson

Doesn't follow.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

What?

Jack Ramirez
Jack Ramirez

There can be Truth; immanent, universally establishable quality, but it cannot be graded qualitatively as its own immutable, fixed in time and space Truth.

Matthew Hughes
Matthew Hughes

Natural numbers "exist"
Mathematical Platonists get out re

Isaiah Sullivan
Isaiah Sullivan

While your mind is material, the thingness your mind imposes is an emergent property that does not exist materially, only abstractly.

Jack Hughes
Jack Hughes

how can something abstract have concrete consequences?

Gavin Smith
Gavin Smith

Then we find the most socialist socialist and he will lead us to the promised commune.

Michael Parker
Michael Parker

Would the best trumpet be the best for what?
Trumpeting, one would think.

Jaxon Ortiz
Jaxon Ortiz

Fuck off so-crates

Austin Russell
Austin Russell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Form_of_the_Good

Adam Gonzalez
Adam Gonzalez

But user, nothing in our lives exist. We're all holograms. We are but 3D projections of a 2D reality; volume is an illusion, a mere side effect of the existence of surface areas. The shadows on the cave wall were the real beings all along.

Sebastian Wright
Sebastian Wright

Are you saying that anime is real

Hunter Baker
Hunter Baker

If you were being serious, I'd have to say that argument is already loaded with a bunch of presuppositions. But socialist theory is an evolving, hopefully scientific school of thought. Nobody can be the most socialist socialist anymore than one can be the most physicist physicist, unless the most socialist socialist is the one that is the closes to the truth of revolutionary socialist theory. But how do you find that socialist without experimenting on their theories, in the same way that you cannot find the physicist closest to the truth without experimenting on theirs? And given the magnitude of the problem of directing, taking advantage of, building etc. social movements and revolutionary activity, it isn't so easy to just choose the guy closest to the truth out of a lineup of thinkers, especially when he has muh privileged thought that we apparently can't obtain.

Dominic Hernandez
Dominic Hernandez

I'm afraid anime is just a 2D projection of a 3D projection (us). That makes anime twice unreal. I'm sorry.

Gabriel Lee
Gabriel Lee

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_model_of_arithmetic

Robert Watson
Robert Watson

<but it was not a real trumpet

Hunter Perez
Hunter Perez

read hegel

Carson Wright
Carson Wright

does that not mean that there must be a something-est something
No, because -est is a human invented concept. Things just are, but people project subjective meaning onto them. Physically a trumpet is just contorted metal, what makes it a trumpet is arbitrary human standards.

Mason Smith
Mason Smith

how does reading an idealist help me in trying to show that guy that ideology is material?

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