Explain this shit to mewhy do you maintain that anarchoegoism is against...

Jack Scott
Jack Scott

explain this shit to me
why do you maintain that anarchoegoism is against capitalism?

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https://theconjurehouse.com/2016/11/18/the-stirner-wasnt-a-capitalist-you-fucking-idiot-cheat-sheet/
https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Offended
https://theconjurehouse.com/2016/11/18/the-stirner-wasnt-a-capitalist-you-fucking-idiot-cheat-sheet/
https://youtu.be/fodrQUW0MKM?t=128
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0mne8bAdiY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GDP_of_China#/media/File:GDP_per_capita_of_China_and_India.svg
http://www.infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionG6
https://mises.org/library/not-so-wild-wild-west
https://sredniowiecznaislandia.com/english-summary/
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility#/media/File:Intergenerational_mobility_graph-1.jpg
http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/
https://theconjurehouse.com/2016/11/18/the-stirner-wasnt-a-capitalist-you-fucking-idiot-cheat-sheet/
http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=anarcho%20capitalism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IfRmkCxyk8
https://www.miasik.net/archive/tag/ip/
https://libcom.org/library/capitalism-communism-gilles-dauve
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/francois-martin-and-jean-barrot-aka-gilles-dauve-eclipse-and-re-emergence-of-the-communist-move#toc7
http://www.sinistra.net/lib/pro/whyrusnsoc.html
Noah Gonzalez
Noah Gonzalez

egoist = ruling class

inb4 muh bootstraps

Brody Carter
Brody Carter

egoist is overtly above-average of course

Joshua Cooper
Joshua Cooper

No one claims that. Our claim is that capitalism is not in the self interest of the workers.

Ethan Young
Ethan Young

mhm and you know better than workers themselves what is in their self interest because much false consciousness

Ayden Powell
Ayden Powell

and you know better than workers themselves
Class isn't an identity, retarded Standpoint Theory doesn't apply here, and no, obviously having one's labor exploited does not benefit one in any meaningful way. Don't be retarded.

Daniel Fisher
Daniel Fisher

Implying Stirner uses should.
Capitalism relies on the spook of private property.
An egoist in the vein of Stirner values autonomy from fixed ideas. Capitalism subjugates people to them.

Colton Garcia
Colton Garcia

Because private property is a massive spook and no egoist gives a damn about.

Landon Mitchell
Landon Mitchell

the logical conclusion of rational self interest is co-operation
see stirner's idea of a union of egoists, kropotkin's idea of mutual aid and marx's idea of class struggle

ancap is anti-individualist

Bentley Reed
Bentley Reed

And where did Stirner ever say that exploitation is simply "wrong"? Did you get that from a meme by a guy who got his info on Stirner from memes and so on? Maybe he said rather something along the lines of being a slave not being in your self-interest, and likewise with some other social roles.

Zachary Garcia
Zachary Garcia

https://theconjurehouse.com/2016/11/18/the-stirner-wasnt-a-capitalist-you-fucking-idiot-cheat-sheet/

/thread

Hudson Fisher
Hudson Fisher

It's against your self interest to be exploited. Who the fuck said anything about "wrong"?

William Stewart
William Stewart

Under this formulation the present state would always be in the self interest of all parties. What a banal "point"

Caleb Sanchez
Caleb Sanchez

that reasoning leads you no where as you can rationalize anything into being a spook, you could simply say that marxism does not offer what is in my self-interests no matter which position you occupy. The easy way would be to compare the real wages across countries with different political systems in the 20th century.

they way Stirner acted, it would be parasitic co-operation

Aiden Powell
Aiden Powell

I would have an honest discussion with you if you weren't posting gore for no reason

Ian Smith
Ian Smith

>you could simply say that marxism does not offer what is in my self-interests
You absolutely could
And that's why we argue that it is

Jonathan Clark
Jonathan Clark

the left button is ayn rand not striner

Nathan Jenkins
Nathan Jenkins

parasitic co-operation
the only way people can interact with eachother is by leeching resources
Society is not a zero-sum game, misanthropic jackass. We are greater than the sum of our parts.

David Brooks
David Brooks

you really drawed that shitty meme thing only to be told that Stirner doesn't gives a fuck about who exploits who.

But he is sure as hell that those exploited should just embrace their egoism & fight back for their own individual welfare.

as seen:

it took you all that effort to just fuck off back to /pol/ with nothing. What a retard hahahah.

Brody Hill
Brody Hill

that reasoning leads you no where as you can rationalize anything into being a spook
But any abstraction can become a spook.
Even fucking Sonic lore. It all depend on one's relationship with ideas, more than the ideas themselves.

Blake Lewis
Blake Lewis

that reasoning leads you no where as you can rationalize anything into being a spook
Fuck, you finally figured it out?

Caleb Watson
Caleb Watson

I don't think he even read any of Stirner books.He is retarded thinks Stirner is a "socialist/communist/marxist" lmao.

giving Stirner any of those identities or the identity the retard likes (i.e. Capitalist) is so dumb.

Xavier Thomas
Xavier Thomas

This for fucks sake.

Cooper Mitchell
Cooper Mitchell

Since I'm part of the working class the capitalist exploitation is against my own self interest.

Christian Phillips
Christian Phillips

Class isn't an identity
prove

if i get rid of morality why should i baww about much exploitation proles?

i do

the logical conclusion of rational self interest is co-operation
not always u moron

being a slave not being in your self-interest
it is an opinion, egoist doest not give a shit about opinions of others

what about
it is against your self interest to discar private property
?

is not it?

https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Offended

she embraced morality u moron

But he is sure as hell that those exploited should just embrace their egoism & fight back for their own individual welfare.
why? why did he value happiness of proles more than happines than higher class?

bosses work too u fucking moron

Oliver Murphy
Oliver Murphy

material conditions are identity
imagine being this much of a retard

Benjamin Collins
Benjamin Collins

ok now tell me how much $ should i have to be considered borgouise

Luis Williams
Luis Williams

borgouise
Class is defined by your relation to means of production, not your salary.

Gavin Carter
Gavin Carter

this nigga

Hudson Bennett
Hudson Bennett

everyone is a mean of production in service economy

Michael Sanders
Michael Sanders

muh human capital
Let me just conjure food and housing out of thin air. Totally don't need farms or factories for that.

Bentley Watson
Bentley Watson

protip: sell your labour to buy food and housing

Jason Diaz
Jason Diaz

pro tip: get your homies, grab your rifles & get rid the "boss". Do whatever you want with the means of production for your individual(s) self-interest(s).

Aaron Hernandez
Aaron Hernandez

protip: think of the reasons why today we have almost no co-ops
because they are outcompeted by hierarchical firms

Jonathan King
Jonathan King

it is against your self interest to discard private property
Most people do not own private property. It is against the self interest of the majority of people so it is rational for that majority to be against its use and wielding

Colton Clark
Colton Clark

is not it?
Do you believe all previous systems of governance were equally beneficial to all who lived under them? If not, then the other statement does not follow.

Mason Miller
Mason Miller

there you go you said it yourself.
hierarchy.
state.
capitalism = state. gn retard.

Jose Lopez
Jose Lopez

is my house with garden private or personal property?

Do you believe all previous systems of governance were equally beneficial to all who lived under them?
equally
where did you take this from?

only weak ppl fear hierarchy because they are at the bottom

Zachary Hill
Zachary Hill

is my house with garden private or personal property?
Personal

Joshua Reyes
Joshua Reyes

where did you take this from?
Initial statement by you indicated that it cannot be in workers' self interest if they didn't already change the system under which they lived. I am telling you that this does not follow or else any other system could be validated by the fact people living under it have not changed it. This of course wouldn't mean it wasn't in their self interests to do so

Adrian White
Adrian White

ok but do not you see that private property is a beneficial spook?

much false consciousness
kys

Michael Murphy
Michael Murphy

kys
If you have to resort to non-arguments then you should reconsider your stance. Clearly people have not and will not always spontaneously work in their self-interest. This is self-evident to anyone who has spent any time thinking about societal changes through history

Jaxon Scott
Jaxon Scott

ok but do not you see that private property is a beneficial spook?
If it's beneficial to only a small minority, what rational reason would the majority have to uphold it?

Leo Ramirez
Leo Ramirez

individual knows better what he wants than bureucrat or ideologue commie

capitalism benefits all

Wyatt Walker
Wyatt Walker

We're not talking about capitalism in general we're talking specifically about private property. You already ceded the point that most people don't own it so it cannot possibly benefit "all" or even the majority

Christian Walker
Christian Walker

so it cannot possibly benefit "all" or even the majority
why?

Owen Clark
Owen Clark

individual knows better what he wants than bureucrat or ideologue commie
I have no idea what you're trying to say here. But there are a ton of reasons why the individual would settle for a non-optimal situation.

If commie was meant as a pejorative, then I am disappointed in your inability to argue without them.

Benjamin Wilson
Benjamin Wilson

How would most people benefit from something they do not and cannot own?

Nicholas Ortiz
Nicholas Ortiz

he is spooked as fuck just let him talk to himself all day. he is also a dumbass dweeb behind a keyboard irl, he really doesn't matters.
He is also not rich irl, as if the hierarchic Capitalist system benefited him. It really works against him and his family welfare.
Just leave him off to die, go to sleep you have better things to do.

Wyatt Perez
Wyatt Perez

You'd be surprised, my work is extremely boring for large stretches of time. But if he's not willing to learn then you're right and I'll be done with it

Daniel King
Daniel King

yeah, just go read some book you're interested in. this guy is still a manchild, until he grows the fuck up he won't learn anything.

Nolan Lee
Nolan Lee

govern your own slaves not other free ppl, live and let live

capitalism

Brody Rodriguez
Brody Rodriguez

The capitalist exploitation of the worker is against my self-interest because I am a worker, not "morally wrong". You are an illiterate bootlicker who believes socialists think in terms of moralism because you obviously don't read. Tell me why I should defend porky's property rights when I stand to gain nothing for it without resorting to some form of moralism in the form of "muh theft" or "muh natural rights".

Easton Myers
Easton Myers

that pic
You do realize we are critical of liberal feminism because their idea of justice is just "more female CEOs lmao" right? We want to abolish the throne, not become the new king.

Connor Bennett
Connor Bennett

exploitation
oversensitive sjw detected
also
boss is a worker too

it is totalitarian feminism not liberal one

Liam Rogers
Liam Rogers

capitalism benefits all
XD ebin

Easton Jenkins
Easton Jenkins

totalitarian feminism
/incel/index.html

Austin Hill
Austin Hill

anarchy = pro capitalism

Commies are just too stupid to get that freedom cannot exist without capitalism.

Eli Ward
Eli Ward

homeless ppl in capitalist countries live better than normal ppl in communist countries

Ryder Roberts
Ryder Roberts

anarchy = pro hierarchy
Why do you have a child's understanding of anarchism?

Liam Ward
Liam Ward

communist countries
lol

Lincoln Murphy
Lincoln Murphy

Alright OP, if we're whipping out the witty images and starting to argue in bad faith, let me ask you a few questions

Why do you support pedophilia?
Why do you support selling drugs to kids?
Why do you support corporate tyranny?
How are taxes not a form of rent that the government charges you for living within their sovereign territory?
How is exerting property rights over a huge territory not a state?

Christian Brooks
Christian Brooks

if capitalism means hierarchy for you then 2 sexes mean hierarchy for you too?

Isaiah Sanchez
Isaiah Sanchez

Why do you support selling drugs to kids?
To be fair, why don't you? Were you never a kid before?

Camden Martin
Camden Martin

only 2 sexes
Why? You some kinda humanist, anti-science faggot? How gross.

Kevin Russell
Kevin Russell

Here OP, get BTFO
https://theconjurehouse.com/2016/11/18/the-stirner-wasnt-a-capitalist-you-fucking-idiot-cheat-sheet/

I know it's you, crypto-ancap faggot.

Cooper Jackson
Cooper Jackson

The value of what I produce is greater than what I am paid back in wages, the surplus is privately appropriated. I engage in this activity in spite of this because the means of production are privately monopolized. This phenomenon is fundamental to this mode of production. I want control over labour and the surplus I create because it is in my self-interest. The sjw buzzword would be "oppression". Exploitation as used by marxists and most people is purely descriptive and not moralizing. I'm saying this for the good of your brain: read more books please. Come back when you've cured your illiteracy.

Christian Allen
Christian Allen

most people here*

Ian Bennett
Ian Bennett

Why do you support pedophilia?
it does not harmy anyone

Why do you support selling drugs to kids?
volenti non fit iniuria

Why do you support corporate tyranny?
tyranny
???

How are taxes not a form of rent that the government charges you for living within their sovereign territory?
it is not legitimately owned because it was stolen

How is exerting property rights over a huge territory not a state?
see above

it was simplification

tldr

produce
are you living in 3rd word country?

Ian Cooper
Ian Cooper

it was simplification
Like everything you think, eh?

Jaxson Rodriguez
Jaxson Rodriguez

this anarcho-tankie thinks anything except stalinism is ancap
Go figure the faggot who constantly posts about how we need to stop the de,generate sexual minorities would think something so silly and still have the audacity to use an anarchist flag.

Thomas Cox
Thomas Cox

i did not write that only 2

Adam Price
Adam Price

Legitimately owned

Nice spooks nerd. I though this was about egoism being in support of capitalism.

Christopher Hughes
Christopher Hughes

this spook is beneficial

Sebastian Morales
Sebastian Morales

caring about the enviroment is communism
you are fucking braindead, kill yourself crypto-fascist

James Flores
James Flores

anarcho-tankie
I'm a tankie for not rejecting organization instead of opting for post-left smashie bullshit?
faggot
that's homophobic dude, reported to the thought police
who constantly posts about how we need to stop the de,generate sexual minorities
that's not me, jackass

Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

nope
i care about environment and im not a commie

Carson Turner
Carson Turner

it does not harmy anyone
You're a sick fuck, you know that?
volenti non fit iniuria
Non-adults are completely socially and intellectually developed now?
tyranny
???
Corporations and governments collaborate yet your solution is to just let corporations reign free and replace state power with private institutions.
it is not legitimately owned because it was stolen
How so? The modern nation-state evolved out of feudal territories.

Dylan Edwards
Dylan Edwards

I'm a tankie for not rejecting organization instead of opting for post-left smashie bullshit?
nihilism isn't so much post-leftist as it's divorced from the left, born in a vacuum and such.
that's not me, jackass
Well that's who the "ancom" who keeps calling me an ancap is.

Logan Richardson
Logan Richardson

Hitler was a socialist
Mises praised fascism. And see pic related.

Parker Nelson
Parker Nelson

Privatized rights is just another way of saying muh privilege. Whenever we want to take away muh privilege, you screech. If you have more money, then you have a higher advantage of obtaining property. You are born with life, and born with liberty, but the right to private property ends the right of life and liberty.

Adrian Howard
Adrian Howard

Yes, but in the first world. Where do we get all our goods from that make the first world possible? Pic related

Kevin Murphy
Kevin Murphy

Too bad that quote was said by Gregor Asser, who was killed by Hitler's Government.

Lincoln Bennett
Lincoln Bennett

Property rights are always state enforced, dumb anarkiddy.

John Peterson
John Peterson

He's about as anarchist as you are communist.
So like, not at all.

Jason Diaz
Jason Diaz

You're a sick fuck, you know that?
shut up normie

Non-adults are completely socially and intellectually developed now?
no

Corporations and governments collaborate yet your solution is to just let corporations reign free and replace state power with private institutions.
yes

How so?
not every property owner agreed to be included to state

im not mises and yes hitler was a socialist proofs https://youtu.be/fodrQUW0MKM?t=128

privilege is sth granted from state

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0mne8bAdiY

ok lets destroy state and see if property rights are maintain

Christian Nguyen
Christian Nguyen

ok lets destroy state and see if property rights are maintain
Sure. when you're child slaves revolt against you don't expect the police to intervene.

Brayden Roberts
Brayden Roberts

Privilege is granted from the state
Thanks for proving us right.

Sweatshops are unfair do to the employers taking advantage of desperate people. If people are desperate, then higher the price they are willing to buy. The same rule applies to wages, the more disparate they are of wanting a job so they do not die, the more they are willing to accept low pay and harsh conditions.

Gabriel Stewart
Gabriel Stewart

i think most ancaps do not think that child of a slave is a slave
i think most of them do not acknowledge slavery as being ok with NAP, they are ok with subservience tho

Dylan Reyes
Dylan Reyes

property is not a muh privilege
also picrel

Jace Diaz
Jace Diaz

property is not a muh muh privilege
Collective and personal property are not.
Private (as in, stolen) property definitely is though, it's a position of muh privilege over the people who you necessarily must exploit to maintain a form of property defined by its exploitation.

Jaxson Jackson
Jaxson Jackson

Owning, running, and making decisions over your workplace is oppression
Having a boss that has the final say over decisions that majority's voice is not accounted for is not.

Isaiah Scott
Isaiah Scott

one day I'll own this boot/gulag

Jack Martin
Jack Martin

no one forces ppl to work for burgoueise

Owning, running, and making decisions over your workplace is oppression
it is opression if you have no other option

Having a boss that has the final say over decisions that majority's voice is not accounted for is not.
it is not opression

Bentley Lopez
Bentley Lopez

It's not oppression because they have no other option
You seem to ignore my argument here

Oliver Wood
Oliver Wood

no one forces ppl to work for burgoueise
"Work or starve, you have the choice!"

Luke Peterson
Luke Peterson

no one forces ppl to work for burgoueise

Jason Sullivan
Jason Sullivan

fortunately you do not have one employer on market as in communism

Sebastian Green
Sebastian Green

Being a bootlicker for your boss is real shitty egoism. Have you tried actually reading stirner if you want to reconcile him with capitalism?

Brody Gutierrez
Brody Gutierrez

Stirner's definition of property is vastly different than anything compatible with capitalism. In capitalism property is a fixed idea. In legal standpoint you can very well not own a particular thing but think you do (eg. your facebook account), or legally own something but be unable to make use of it. For Stirnerites owning means using. One thing can be used/owned at the same time by multiple people. Ownership is not based on any legal allowance but action.

Isaiah Morgan
Isaiah Morgan

no one forces ppl to work for burgoueise

Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

employer
communism

Michael Clark
Michael Clark

Market
Employer
Communism

Good god, read a book you illiterate retard. Communism and markets/wage labour is antithetical. If you have one you do not have the other.

Kevin Collins
Kevin Collins

im to be self employed

Jose Morris
Jose Morris

But in capitalism, all the employers want to exploit you. The free market is a slave market.

Brandon Collins
Brandon Collins

Holy fuck you're retarded

Oliver Bell
Oliver Bell

yes in communism you have duty to work or you are killed

what is a black market
also communism ends as state capitalism, always

you can go to co-op

Grayson Rivera
Grayson Rivera

yes in communism you have duty to work or you are killed
when you have to lie to support your position
lmao

Justin Price
Justin Price

dunning kruger effect the meme

Shit ancaps say: People who don't work are lazy. Everyone should work and stop being a parasite. But communism is bad because it wants everyone to work

Nicholas Nguyen
Nicholas Nguyen

Market does not exist without state, because private property and trade commodity requires legal status to function.

Henry Murphy
Henry Murphy

you can go to co-op
But how can co-ops compete in a free market with the domination by the big corporations?

Jackson Diaz
Jackson Diaz

yes in communism you have duty to work or you are killed
communism is free time and nothing else
you can go to co-op
no you fucking can't. co-ops will inevitably be forced to adopt abusive business practices in order to stay in business
that pic
bottom right
my economic philosophy perfectly aligns with the ruling class ideology but i'm a free thinker lel

Ryan Adams
Ryan Adams

Was meant for that

Wyatt Brown
Wyatt Brown

this is how communism looked like

ancaps do not want to be coerced to anything

so why we have international trade yet no international state?

so co-ops are not productive enough? sad!

communism is free time and nothing else
you forgot about unicorns

my economic philosophy perfectly aligns with the ruling class ideology but i'm a free thinker lel
ruling class are socialists

Asher Powell
Asher Powell

this is how communism looked like
posts picture of capitalism
???

Nathan Diaz
Nathan Diaz

All systems rely on violence, so it is petty to be complaining about it. We do not care if oppression is peaceful or violent, we just see it as oppression.

Connor Russell
Connor Russell

she embraced morality u moron
Which Striner would press the left button since it is something he would never agree with. Not like he would press the right immediately too though

Ian Carter
Ian Carter

All systems rely on violence
Except communism.

Jacob Watson
Jacob Watson

liberalism is totalitarian fam. totalitarian ancapistanism.

Cooper Ortiz
Cooper Ortiz

ancaps do not want to be coerced to anything
do wages exist in ancapistan?
ruling class are socialists
oh vey, the libertarians know, shut it down!
Except communism.
defeating capitalism is going to require a lot of violence user

Jonathan Hughes
Jonathan Hughes

Neo-cons: Let's bomb socialist countries like Iraq, Libya, and Syria in order to have global capitalism.
Ancaps: That's stupid, we should just do that peacefully.

Ancaps are no different from neo-cons, both want the same thing.

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

so why we have international trade yet no international state?
all international trade functions based on trade deals procured through corresponding states. state is well within power to lock out private proprietors from dealing with other states

Jackson Russell
Jackson Russell

defeating capitalism is going to require a lot of violence user
Defeating capitalism and building communism will be two different events tied directly to each other.

Joseph Baker
Joseph Baker

illiterate mob
I like how it outright admits that ancaps are just misanthropes who see democracy as mob rule and just want an oligarchy.

Dylan Jenkins
Dylan Jenkins

so co-ops are not productive enough? sad!
So productiveness justify exploitation according to you?

Daniel Lewis
Daniel Lewis

Stirner would have spit on buttons and made up his own goddamn mind.

Nathan Thompson
Nathan Thompson

wow ancaps r dum

Isaac Reyes
Isaac Reyes

I'm not a Stirnerite, but the basic gist is, unless you're a bourgeois yourself (and there a 99% chance that you're not), your self interest as a wage worker is antithetical to that of the capitalist class. Therefore, capitalist exploitation of the working class is wrong because it entails that you are being exploited.

Nathaniel Cook
Nathaniel Cook

pic unrelated

what if someone wants to be "opressed"?

when ppl tried to do communism it finished extremery violently inb4 not real communism xD

maybe in the usa

do wages exist in ancapistan?
we will see

i respect choices of other ppl (commies included) unlike commies

all international trade functions based on trade deals procured through corresponding states.
black market too?

it is not exploaitation if it is voluntary

Henry Green
Henry Green

when ppl tried to do communism it finished extremery violently inb4 not real communism xD
If I say it's communism, and say you're not allowed to say it wasn't, then it was ha ha!
No. That was state capitalism. inb4 it wasn't.

Hudson Lewis
Hudson Lewis

what if someone wants to be "opressed"?
it is not exploaitation if it is voluntary
Here, I have some voluntary spanking for you. I'll just tell private court you liked it.

Evan Gutierrez
Evan Gutierrez

it is not exploaitation if it is voluntary
"Be exploited or starve! But if you choose to be exploited it's not exploitation then!"

Robert Cox
Robert Cox

homeless ppl in capitalist countries live better than normal ppl in communist countries
[citation needed]

muh 100 gorillions
Literally made up by the BIG BLACK BOOK

Samuel Fisher
Samuel Fisher

That's what I wanted to say fam

Ethan Adams
Ethan Adams

how many times implementation of communism must fail in order for you to realize that it will always fail?

classes are spooks

homeless ppl in capitalist countries live better than normal ppl in communist countries
they will not be killed and they can get food from bins

Brayden Morales
Brayden Morales

it is not exploaitation if it is voluntary
have to perform certain tasks in order to ensure my own survival
"voluntary"

Gavin White
Gavin White

muh liberals
you realize you are a liberal on steroids right?
classes are spooks
You already tried this, faggot. Material conditions are not spooks.

Parker Young
Parker Young

drug dealers are legitimate businessmen with special legal status and zero tax rate, without state there is no black market as well. cryptocurrencies are legal only as long as the state allows it.

Sebastian Martinez
Sebastian Martinez

you can rely on charity

im right wing

Material conditions are not spooks.
so homosexualism is not a spook too?

drug dealers are legitimate businessmen with special legal status
so what is their legal status?

Hunter Barnes
Hunter Barnes

they will not be killed
were you literally born yesterday
and they can get food from bins
dumpster diving and handing out food to the homeless is illegal in many parts of America

Nicholas Thompson
Nicholas Thompson

The successes of capitalism relies on sweatshops and the exploitation of the poverty stricken countries.

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

what if someone wants to be "opressed"?
it is not exploaitation if it is voluntary
what is voluntary

Andrew Cooper
Andrew Cooper

they will not be killed and they can get food from bins
Normal people aren't killed in communist countries you moron.

The executions under Stalin's Purges and the Cultural Revolution were almost exclusively other communists, state apparatchiks and certain elements of the intelligentsia. Normal people were not killed.

Colton Taylor
Colton Taylor

dumpster diving and handing out food to the homeless is illegal in many parts of America
i do not support current system

exploitation
kys sjw scum

go to dictionary

Gabriel Brown
Gabriel Brown

kys sjw scum
Solid argument here. You still haven't dealt with class being a material reality, btw.

Sebastian Hall
Sebastian Hall

i do not support current system
so in ancapistan you can go dumpster diving for free? Won't you get shot by private security forces for violating muh private property rights?

Nathan Nelson
Nathan Nelson

how many times implementation of communism must fail in order for you to realize that it will always fail?
I'm a nihilist, I recognize that building communism before destroying everything else first won't work. This is why I advocate destroying everything except communism.

Charles Cook
Charles Cook

i visited dictionary, sounds like some metaphysical mumbo jumbo with no basis on real human interactions

Juan Johnson
Juan Johnson

Ancapistan is whatever the ancap wants it to be.

Michael Nguyen
Michael Nguyen

im right wing
What is a liberal?

Noah Nelson
Noah Nelson

im not normal person

we will see

you are cryptocommie-altruist-sjw who wants to seem edgy

David Bell
David Bell

right wing

Daniel Davis
Daniel Davis

"Crony capitalism" is actually pretty redpilled if you ask me. Think about it. The politician and the businessman voluntary exchange goods and services.

Buh muh taxation!

The taxes go into bombing socialist countries and to kill leftist scum

Buh muh competition!
if you aren't smart enough to use the state to benefit yourself then you are too dumb to run a real business. Besides, i'll be able to buy more goods at cheap prices, and my customers will be happy.

Buh muh free trade

Why should I care about my competition? I am strong, and they are weak. Why should I give up my profits so my competition can steal my customers away?

Ryan Brooks
Ryan Brooks

communists' goal is to have higher wages

Jason Carter
Jason Carter

We are liberals
Ok user

Nathaniel Turner
Nathaniel Turner

you are cryptocommie-altruist-sjw who wants to seem edgy
uhm, I'm not a mirror

Hunter Clark
Hunter Clark

Ancapism is a big psyop to get nerds to defend actually existing capitalism.

Leo Reyes
Leo Reyes

don't tread on me
And yet by declaring something as your private property you have effectively treaded on the rest of the world. Ancaps are just half past six anarchists

Jayden Rivera
Jayden Rivera

according to european definition yes im sort of liberal

The politician and the businessman voluntary exchange goods and services.
politician does not exchange his goods

if you aren't smart enough to use the state to benefit yourself then you are too dumb to run a real busines
using a state is immoral

Jeremiah Anderson
Jeremiah Anderson

hitler was a socialist proofs
I see linking to a video of a half baked conspiracy theorist counts as evidence these days. No need to show that they abolished value form of eliminated the wage position and private property, ITS SOCIALIST BECAUSE THIS TARD SAYS SO

neck yourself

Gabriel Bell
Gabriel Bell

using a state is immoral
here goes your stirner out the window m8

Thomas Miller
Thomas Miller

He exchanges services aka laws

Using the state is immoral
There is no morals in capitalism you dumbass. It is amoral. What matters is profit and that's it. If it benefits me the individual to use the state to profit personally, then I will do it. Trying to make the majority happy by making things fair makes you a socialist.

Asher Green
Asher Green

morals
You're spooked, user. Study the history of the American labour movement.

Nathaniel Bennett
Nathaniel Bennett

you can rely on charity
"Be exploited or beg!"
Wow, what an improvement.

Eli Fisher
Eli Fisher

antisemitism
bydło tire

And yet by declaring something as your private property you have effectively treaded on the rest of the world.
i do not care about you feeling offended lol

He exchanges services aka laws
but he has monopoly on it

we need certain mentality in order to maintain ancap

what for

you cannot get rid of morality

Andrew Roberts
Andrew Roberts

what for
To see something of market morals in action.

Hunter Gray
Hunter Gray

If capitalists shape the monopoly of power in our favor then no socialist will come into power.

Aiden Jones
Aiden Jones

Can the "crony" state capitalist change his flag (for rethuglican as example)? It's becoming confusing to follow.

Jonathan Moore
Jonathan Moore

boss is a worker too
Boss isn't usually owner. Why are you posting limp one liners about an ideology you don't understand?

Logan Thompson
Logan Thompson

Fine, you commie scum

Grayson Long
Grayson Long

crony capitalism is kinda socialism :/

Robert Mitchell
Robert Mitchell

I wouldn't be so sure of that.

Camden Nelson
Camden Nelson

Define socialism.

David Scott
David Scott

Thanks, porky flag is perfect.

Jordan Taylor
Jordan Taylor

Socialism is when the means of production are owned by workers. Crony capitalism seeks to use the state to prevent this. Ancaps wouldn't stand a chance against socialists uprising; especially if tankies rise in power. You need to end the revolution in the bud. We must use the state to our advantage in order to save private property.

Angel Smith
Angel Smith

im not normal person
And?

Hunter Garcia
Hunter Garcia

crony capitalism is kinda socialism :/
crony capitalism is kinda the workers owning the means of production

Wyatt Green
Wyatt Green

i do not know how about you but i live in generally service economy
marxism is outdated

and i would have been killed by commies for being queer

statism is socialism

Jason Hall
Jason Hall

Service economy
And where do all the goods for those services comes from? Sweatshops
I keep going back to the same point yet you don't seem to get it into your head.

Nathan Williams
Nathan Williams

being queer
For real?

statism is socialism
So you don't know what socialism is, I'm sure you think about social-democray or even Stalinism.

Caleb Bailey
Caleb Bailey

that image
I don't need to understand the ideology to critique it

service economy
Production is always most important. You need food and stuff.

statism is socialism
Indistinguishable from a troll.
So for you, humans have been socialist since agriculture, and they were protosocialist communitarian hunter-gatherers before that?

Jonathan Torres
Jonathan Torres

You keep assuming only the first world is capitalist or something yet stop where all the goods come from. Our problem with capitalism isn't in the first world alone but the whole world. Capitalism has two fronts, the producers (exploited) and the consumers (Exploiters). They are divided by countries (first and third worlds). The successes in the first world rely on the sweatshop and exploitative labor of the third.

Gabriel Richardson
Gabriel Richardson

Since when Nazbol gives a shit about third-world? Aren't they subhuman according to other Nazbols?
Are you sure you're not some kind of Maoist?

Ian Bailey
Ian Bailey

co tam na kurahenie

Wyatt Moore
Wyatt Moore

marx can suck it because i live in a post industrial economy and this means that now suddenly capital, wage labour and private property don't real

Ryan Anderson
Ryan Anderson

A bit of a ramble bu bear with me. I've been Nazbol for a long while but slowly moved away from nationalism and racialism over time. I still consider myself a nazbol in some regards but I believe in a month or two I'll just be a communist. My attitude toward immigration greatly change seeing that neither letting immigrants in or baring them our will solve the underlying problems. My conclusion is that only a global revolution can solve these problems and by that point national almost seems like a useless thing to support.

Ethan Wilson
Ethan Wilson

but workers can expropriate "bourgeise" via state

poor nations become rich thanks to factories etc. see china

Production is always most important
good luck working in production for lowest wages

dej kmk

now suddenly you can make a living having your own human capital only, you do not need machines like 100 years ago. wake up

Ryder Baker
Ryder Baker

I believe in a month or two I'll just be a communist

And I believe you're already just a communist, you should really drop that flag right now, comrade.

Nathaniel Nelson
Nathaniel Nelson

good luck working in production for lowest wages
let me just talk about something totally different
Like I said, indistinguishable from a troll. Read C4SS to balance out the Mises institute lectures.

Asher Hill
Asher Hill

Can you believe that two years ago I was a ancap? And today, I drop all aspects of rightists two years later? My past self would be in horror.

Jace Martinez
Jace Martinez

I wonder who made the factories possible?

Gabriel Roberts
Gabriel Roberts

poor nations become rich thanks to factories etc. see china
Only the owners of those factories becomes rich, the workers stay poor.

I hope OP will becomes like you even if it must take years.

Isaiah Cooper
Isaiah Cooper

but workers can expropriate "bourgeise" via state
Uh, no.

The state doing things isn't socialism. Socialism is the means of production being directly controlled by the workers. This can be done through the medium of the state, but that doesn't make everything the state does some form of socialism.

Grayson Collins
Grayson Collins

so why chiese ppl are not poor now?

Connor Gomez
Connor Gomez

They are.

Juan Wood
Juan Wood

so why chiese ppl are not poor now?
Because the chinese people you're talking about are not workers, they are owners or managers.

Henry Carter
Henry Carter

Take a look at statistics

you too

Jaxon Richardson
Jaxon Richardson

If one were even to conceive the case that every individual in the people had expressed the same will, and hereby a complete “collective will” had come into being, the matter would still remain the same. Would I not be bound today and henceforth to my will of yesterday? My will would in this case be frozen. Wretched stability!

Luke Russell
Luke Russell

bere ar da proofs :DDDDDDD

Ethan Flores
Ethan Flores

What statistics?

That a "middle class" grows around industrialization?

Sure, but that doesn't mean the basic factory worker is treated any better.

Mason Clark
Mason Clark

The argument isn't about being poor or rich. It's really about power. There was a time in the American south where slaves could pay to be free from slavery. Here, they are far richer than African Tribes. Yet, under the African tribes, the members had power over their tribe. The free slaves had no power over their nation when they were freed. What we want is the worker to have power over his community, and to run it.

Jose Diaz
Jose Diaz

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_GDP_of_China#/media/File:GDP_per_capita_of_China_and_India.svg

middle class = factory worker
no?

What we want is the worker to have power over his community, and to run it.
i do not want to be ruled by proles

so socialdemocracy is not socialism?

Carson Smith
Carson Smith

middle class = factory worker
lel

Jeremiah Rogers
Jeremiah Rogers

I guess you're talking about the raise of wages, that's absolutely nothing compares to rise of profits that owners have made on the back of the workers. You should take a look at statistics too.

And why are you defending China anyway, do you like Authoritarian State Capitalism now?

Noah Long
Noah Long

Ford
I told you to read about the labour movement, fam
middle class = factory worker
Indistinguishable from a troll. How much of a narcissistic do you have to be to believe that you're right in your criticism of ideas you clearly have no understanding of? Jumping on the first alternative politics you see and learning nothing about opposing systems is silly. Step up your game.

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

this is how it was in the usa 50 years ago
average worker could feed his 5 kids and nonworking wife
thanks to capitalism

borgoueise should have profit because it is he who risks his commodities not being sold and not making profit- he has to pay wages to workers despite commodities not being sold at protif

Jace Howard
Jace Howard

Too bad. You will be ruled by the proles and the peasantry. I do not care if it is peaceful or violent. Ancaps like to say that we do not understand economics. I say to you, that you don't understand politics. Politics is about obtaining, retaining, and making power invincible. This is done first through peace but the foundation is violence. All system, whether capitalism, and socialism relies on violence. To defend and to be vigilant of oppression. That is all. Ancaps like to be petty about violence, yet even their NAP relies on violence to a certain extent. Of course, it is "just" in their eyes. But it is also just in our eyes to take away the bourgeoisie' property. It is irrelevant and petty to whine about voluntary exchange. In the end, I do not care about it.

Aaron Reyes
Aaron Reyes

middle class = factory worker
no?
No. Chinese factory workers don't have it any better. The "middle class" pops up in the form of the bureaucracy that forms around this large-scale production and the petit bourgeois that pop up to provide services in large population centers. The factory workers' lives are not made any better by industrialization.

Noah Rodriguez
Noah Rodriguez

thanks to capitalism
thanks to capitalism when the labor movement was still strong, long before neoliberal deregulation and privatization

Jacob Sanchez
Jacob Sanchez

this is how it was in the usa 50 years ago
You're using the USA fifty years ago to support le magical market fixing everything?

David Butler
David Butler

socialdemocracy is not socialism?
nah, we want full gommie abolition of work and money

Adrian Ross
Adrian Ross

gdp
producing more = not being poor or exploited

Brandon Kelly
Brandon Kelly

so socialdemocracy is not socialism?
Yes.

Social democracy is a form of Keynesian liberalism. It isn't socialism.

Jacob Morales
Jacob Morales

so socialdemocracy is not socialism?
Social-Democracy is Liberalism with a strong welfare state.

borgoueise should have profit because it is he who risks his commodities not being sold and not making profit- he has to pay wages to workers despite commodities not being sold at protif
But it's the workers who make the commodities, the bourgeois don't do shit, if the workers could collectively run the factory, they would not need the bourgeois anymore, but in capitalism the bourgeois needs the workers.

Cameron Wood
Cameron Wood

You will be ruled by the proles and the peasantry
2017
waiting for communist revolution
XD

so why factory workers in the 50 had high wages etc in the usa?

wikipedia says you are wrong

Brayden Ramirez
Brayden Ramirez

so why factory workers in the 50 had high wages etc in the usa?
class is wage
factory workers in the US had high wages because of free market magic
Are unions a legitimate market force?

Camden Stewart
Camden Stewart

XD
Not an argument

Wikipedia says you are wrong
Social Democracy is not the same a Democratic Socialism.

Justin Sanders
Justin Sanders

wikipedia says you are wrong
Another Ancap lie.

Josiah Torres
Josiah Torres

in 13 years it will be 50 years of le magical market ruining everything

Michael Watson
Michael Watson

in ancap?

Social Democracy is not the same a Democratic Socialism.
wikipedia says socialdemocracy is part of democratic socialism

see categories

we live in socialism now

Brody Bennett
Brody Bennett

Read where is says not to be confused with Democratic Socialism

Jose Wilson
Jose Wilson

in ancap?
Sure.

we live in socialism now
If we pretend that anything you decide is socialism is socialism.

see categories
It's related to socialism. The other poster has highlighted the important part. I can't imagine what the inside of your head is like if the category is more important than as clear a statement as that.

Leo Sullivan
Leo Sullivan

we live in socialism now
i wish

Anthony Morales
Anthony Morales

We live under socialism
How so? I would like to here how we live under socialism. Even you said we are mostly a consumerist society in the west. How can we live under socialism where the means of production are owned by the workers when most of the production is outside the west?

Leo Mitchell
Leo Mitchell

Are unions a legitimate market force?
yes

because we have no real private property today, everything is collectivised

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

because we have no real private property today, everything is collectivised
ok i'm done here

Joshua Jones
Joshua Jones

If you keep responding after this post you're a fucking retard.

Joshua Morgan
Joshua Morgan

surely this guy is just a masterbaiter not even ancaps are this retarded

Tyler Fisher
Tyler Fisher

not an argument

Adam Sanchez
Adam Sanchez

because we have no real private property today, everything is collectivised
What does that even mean?

Christopher Sanchez
Christopher Sanchez

But that has been the case for a long time.

Grayson Torres
Grayson Torres

well yea it's an insult

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

that if you own a plot of land you have pay tax to state so you kinda just rent it

Blake Anderson
Blake Anderson

So you must be retarded..

Henry Russell
Henry Russell

Ok everyone loves ancap baiting but enough is enough.

Jacob Morris
Jacob Morris

kys commie scum
go to north korea

Cooper Howard
Cooper Howard

The fuck has this got almost 240 replies?

Jose Hall
Jose Hall

Land value tax is not fucking collectivization, I'm not gonna explain you everything about politic and economy.

because we have no real private property today, everything is collectivised
You don't know what socialism is, and you don't know what collectivization is, so you probably don't know what capitalism is too, you're just an illiterate anarchist who (according to the memes you keep posting) comes from /pol/ and that took the last internet trendy ideology.

Carson Hill
Carson Hill

do not tell me what to do with my children commie

Thomas James
Thomas James

so why factory workers in the 50 had high wages etc in the usa?
Because:
1) Unions were at the height of their power in the mid-20th century.
2) There was a labor shortage in the United States. There had historically always been a labor shortage in the United States up until the 70s, but this was greatly increased in the post-WWII United States, where the US was the only power to have its productive capacities completely unharmed by the devastation of the war. This meant that throughout most of the mid-20th century the United States supplied Western Europe (as well as areas in other parts of the world that now-destroyed European factories once served), creating a massive demand for factory workers and an incredibly competitive labor market in favor of the worker.

This, however, was not something built to last. Industrialists dropped American workers at their first opportunity and no amount of free market magic is going to cause these conditions to return.

Cameron Stewart
Cameron Stewart

Child labor and soldiers are freedom fighters.

Jaxon Campbell
Jaxon Campbell

hunting is the same as having your labour exploited for someone else's benefit
Enough.

Elijah Sanchez
Elijah Sanchez

Not as if people can hunt on state or private land without interacting with the state or private property owner

Camden James
Camden James

That image
Detroit's economy fucking up and left it. The Democrats are shit, but the fate of Detroit had nothing to do with them.

Justin Wright
Justin Wright

Mfw I can no longer tell if ancaps are shitposting or being honest

Anthony Taylor
Anthony Taylor

workers own means of production
Maoists are fucking retarded. The Kims basically own everything in North Korea.

Carson Collins
Carson Collins

who do you cite?

you both benefit

Benjamin Kelly
Benjamin Kelly

yeah, but what about this absurd hypothetical situation
People call naturalistic fallacy on this because this sort of ancap logic only works in some kind of fantasy land, whether you're some kind of Robinson Crusoe on a remote island, a farmer in the middle of nowhere or the last man on earth, it has nothing to do with our current reality. It's an attempt to establish some kind of "natural law", a sort of secularized version of Divine Right or the Great Chain of Being, where capitalism rules on a mandate from "nature" and all of its shortcomings can be handwaved as being somehow an immutable part of "nature".

Christopher Parker
Christopher Parker

ancap exists where mutually voluntary transaction exist

Isaac Edwards
Isaac Edwards

he's this angry
this is embarrassing. stop throwing a temper tantrum.

Camden Carter
Camden Carter

The difference between socialists and communists saying it is not real communism or socialism is vastly different compared to capitalist doing the same thing.

When we say that it was "Not real" we give an objective definition that we can all agree on. That is, the worker ownership of the means of production. We all agree on this definition but has different interpretations. This is why ancoms and marxist leninists keep getting into heated debates. Even the Marxists leninists and ancoms give real world examples of socialsim and communism. If there are negative aspect, they critique and try to improve it.

This is unlike ancaps. Their view of capitalism is so vague and subjective that is can mean anything and thus can never be wrong or have negative sides. It is just simple "Free exchange". Even in communes, there is free exchange of goods. Your definition can make you move around the goal post into saying "Capitalism has never been tried". At least socialists and communists admit they have tried in the past.

Cameron Wood
Cameron Wood

communism is totalitarian because it wants to exterminate any other way of economy
it is the antinomy of liberty

Jaxson Bennett
Jaxson Bennett

Capitalism also exterminates any other way of economy. What's your point?

Camden Gray
Camden Gray

capitalism does not ban collective ownership

Nathan Moore
Nathan Moore

if I'm not free to exploit other's labour, what freedom do I have?

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

Does anyone have the anarchist version of this?

Brody Murphy
Brody Murphy

Yes it does. Pinochet?

Michael Sanders
Michael Sanders

ancap exists where mutually voluntary transaction exist
So was feudalism ancap? After all, peasants would "voluntarily" swear fealty to their lord in exchange for protection.

Zachary White
Zachary White

Not him, are you saying chile under pinochet was ancap? How fucking retarded are you?
Keep it up OP, it's funny to see a pack of commie brainlets collectively throw a 3rd-grader temper tantrum while trying to hidet their anger poorly

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

kys pussy

i ment lessie faire capitalism

not really because all the land was monarch's

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

All land was privately owned by the monarch.

Ryder Cook
Ryder Cook

did he get the land peacefully?

Jace Bell
Jace Bell

Capitalism didn't get its land peacefully either.

Jaxson Parker
Jaxson Parker

crony capitalism =/= free market capitalism

Matthew Lewis
Matthew Lewis

has free market capitalism ever existed :thinking:

Ryan Smith
Ryan Smith

NOT REAL CAPITALISM

Christian Barnes
Christian Barnes

"Free market capitalism" is an impossibility.

Capitalism spread itself through violence. All capitalist property only exist because state violence made it possible sometime in the past.

Tyler Baker
Tyler Baker

Just a reminder capitalism cannot be human nature if capitalism never happened.

Jack Sanchez
Jack Sanchez

All land is "privately" owned by the state. Nice logic you literal fucking idiot.
Holy shit, forget "basic economics", communists literally know nothing about basic politics. Commie thought is just one long succession of retards making up their own social theories equally completely ungrounded in reality pretending their knowledge is legitimate and that they're not retards because they back up each other's retarded statements. This board is a joke. remember when it got absolutely btfo by a literal reddit?
Seriously dude, you're a fucking idiot.

Lincoln Flores
Lincoln Flores

yes

All capitalist property only exist because state violence made it possible sometime in the past.
state is a threat to property not its defender

Julian Thomas
Julian Thomas

when my dude?

Jaxon Evans
Jaxon Evans

private property is a threat to personal property, not its defender

Thomas Walker
Thomas Walker

state is a threat to property not its defender

James Cook
James Cook

r u ok

Angel Hill
Angel Hill

Not this meme again. Crony capitalism is the inevitable result of a free market.

Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

iceland, wild west

how?

Cameron Morris
Cameron Morris

you howhow me first on how state is a threat to property

Kevin Anderson
Kevin Anderson

iceland,

ah before capitalism existed. And where they had slaves.

wild west

Fake news, link me some actual historians claiming this ty

Owen Martinez
Owen Martinez

Nah dude, I'm just having a flashback to that one time this board pissed it's pants and threw a pathetic temper tantrum because even reddit wouldn't let it in. pretty funny.

Carson Murphy
Carson Murphy

im happy for you

Logan White
Logan White

http://www.infoshop.org/AnarchistFAQSectionG6

Sums it up pretty well. Although i really don't understand how you can interpret Stirner as pro-capitalism

Nolan Morales
Nolan Morales

you cannot shot trespasers in europe because of state

https://mises.org/library/not-so-wild-wild-west

Jose Jenkins
Jose Jenkins

Adam Smith, one of the earliest capitalist economists (in fact, he was the one who coined the term "capitalism") noted capitalism's dependency on state violence to maintain itself.

Wherever there is great property there is great inequality. For one very rich man there must be at least five hundred poor, and the affluence of the few supposes the indigence of the many. The affluence of the rich excites the indignation of the poor, who are often both driven by want, and prompted by envy, to invade his possessions. It is only under the shelter of the civil magistrate that the owner of that valuable property, which is acquired by the labour of many years, or perhaps of many successive generations, can sleep a single night in security. He is at all times surrounded by unknown enemies, whom, though he never provoked, he can never appease, and from whose injustice he can be protected only by the powerful arm of the civil magistrate continually held up to chastise it. The acquisition of valuable and extensive property, therefore, necessarily requires the establishment of civil government. Where there is no property, or at least none that exceeds the value of two or three days' labour, civil government is not so necessary.
-Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations

Ancaps don't even understand foundational capitalist literature, much less "muh basic economics". Go back to reading your neolib propaganda.

Adam Carter
Adam Carter

it is crony capitalism

Gabriel Bennett
Gabriel Bennett

so clearly free market capitalism doesn't work since rip the wild west

Grayson Morgan
Grayson Morgan

Iceland
You mean when they had slaves or when there were a big welfare state?

Wild West
Oh, you mean the time-period who's most iconic figures, the cowboys, were cattlemen who didn't give a shit about private property and Old West Porky (the ranchers) had to get big daddy federal government to apprehend them?

Xavier Allen
Xavier Allen

some guy's, who's first language probably isn't english, random 1 sentence retorts are absolutely btfoing Holla Forums's continuous autism
Gold.

Ayden Cook
Ayden Cook

it works but it needs NAP

Henry Sanders
Henry Sanders

I mean it clearly doesn't since it fuckin died no spook can save it

Gabriel Peterson
Gabriel Peterson

All capitalism is "crony" capitalism.

Liam Torres
Liam Torres

Adam Smith was wrong that's not capitalism!

James Garcia
James Garcia

(you)

ancap defense league turn up

Owen James
Owen James

Isn't that from the comic that ended because the author was a schizo who thought she saw saw some redditor outsider of her house and then threw a childish fit?

Wyatt Cruz
Wyatt Cruz

you can BTFO Adam Smith by saying "muh crony capitalisms ;_;"
/liberty/ pls

Nicholas Stewart
Nicholas Stewart

I was once libertarian. I could look myself in the eyes and not see a libertarian. I could join a group of libertarians and there will be no libertarian. To this day, i do not believe libertarians exist because all of them claim to be the real one.

Isaiah Parker
Isaiah Parker

https://sredniowiecznaislandia.com/english-summary/

we need change in mentality for ancap

who are you citing?

Jaxson Ross
Jaxson Ross

I have literally never heard that before. There's no foundation to that claim.

Ryan Bennett
Ryan Bennett

yea you need to accept it doesn't work, every real free market society died

Kevin Allen
Kevin Allen

If we're alone on an island with one stream and I mix my piss labour with the stream first, are you going to peacefully accept this state of affairs and work the land on my island for a share of the crops you raise?

Logan Foster
Logan Foster

Got me, that meme is the epic new way to say "downvote" for all your reddit uhh.. I mean Holla Forums pals

Eli Jenkins
Eli Jenkins

new way

Wyatt Wood
Wyatt Wood

http://www.jakubw.com/2013/11/a-realistically-optimistic-scenario-for.html

piss labour
no such thing

Jaxson Davis
Jaxson Davis

Why are you ancap rather than mutualist?

John Price
John Price

just go full Pinochet you cucky

Gabriel Moore
Gabriel Moore

no such thing
Socialist. I mixed my labour with the stream, you moocher fuck.

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

i feel bad about expropriating ppl, and i disagree with proudhound because i do not hate every hierarchy

Levi Scott
Levi Scott

i feel bad about expropriating ppl, and i disagree with proudhound because i do not hate every hierarchy

t.bootlicker

Michael Gutierrez
Michael Gutierrez

Iceland had slaves though
doesn't even address it
Okay then.

Josiah Mitchell
Josiah Mitchell

expropriating ppl
Nobody but absentee ""owners"" would be.

He has been selective in what he answers through the whole thread.

Jordan Perry
Jordan Perry

Nobody but absentee ""owners"" would be.
i want to buy plot and do nothing on it because i want to observe wildlife, will i be expropriated?

Brandon Wright
Brandon Wright

No she just wanted to do more widely appealing art and felt like she couldn't make time focusing on a niche comic that just leftypol reads
I hope one day she decides to pick it back up

Jackson Green
Jackson Green

No, you'd be using it.

Josiah Gonzalez
Josiah Gonzalez

implying r/socialism's mods weren't triggered enough to employ active measures

Jordan Rodriguez
Jordan Rodriguez

what if i go to vacation?

John Adams
John Adams

i love you, do you have a youtube channel?

Grayson Smith
Grayson Smith

the wheels of progress must be slowed so my little stupid niche can exist
Every time.

Nathan Rodriguez
Nathan Rodriguez

yes i do

Adrian Reed
Adrian Reed

link it my dude

Daniel Myers
Daniel Myers

i do not want to be doxxed

??

Anthony Hill
Anthony Hill

Hard to get doxxed from a youtube alone my friend

David Diaz
David Diaz

Proudhon comes back to cuck you you and sets up a workshop.

Blake Nelson
Blake Nelson

Massive systematic injustice exists, we should get rid of it
Yeah, but what about some insignificant benefit it allows?
That shit.

Connor Turner
Connor Turner

yes life is not just but free market makes it more just- if you work hard and are ambitious and have predispositions you can climb social ladder

Daniel Anderson
Daniel Anderson

So the state is stopping this from happening atm right?

Charles Powell
Charles Powell

yes beacuse of minimal wages etc

Bentley White
Bentley White

how good was the social mobility in Iceland

Owen Morgan
Owen Morgan

ask mr gogłoza

Josiah Edwards
Josiah Edwards

yes life is not just but free market makes it more just- if you work hard and are ambitious and have predispositions you can climb social ladder
There has always been modes for social mobility. In the Roman Empire, there were methods for slaves to earn their freedom and for non-citizens to become citizens. Under feudalism, peasants could join guilds, the clergy or become squires. The mere existence of social mobility doesn't justify the system.

Elijah Cook
Elijah Cook

i agree

Jose Clark
Jose Clark

im asking you were is the proof that free markets improve social mobility. Did the wild west have tons of it?

William White
William White

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_mobility#/media/File:Intergenerational_mobility_graph-1.jpg

Mason Morgan
Mason Morgan

http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/

So the welfare states of scandinavia has higher social mobility than the US?

Oliver Ortiz
Oliver Ortiz

How does this prove your point again lul

Ethan Phillips
Ethan Phillips

uk is more free market than denmark

Angel Edwards
Angel Edwards

Read https://theconjurehouse.com/2016/11/18/the-stirner-wasnt-a-capitalist-you-fucking-idiot-cheat-sheet/

Ancap explain to me how intellectual property would work in ancapistan. What can you do if someone "steals" your immaterial property, like Music (rights), Movie (richts) or innovation? Can you shoot them? Can you sue them efficiency, without the need for a coercive state and thus crony capitalism? Because if not, you'd have no Music, Movies, Software, Games, etc. since everyone would rather torrent the stuff than pay for a license. Also, industrial espionage (or any kind of privacy invasion or stalking for that matter) wouldn't be illegal, so there would be no incentive to innovate, since you can just copy someone elses patents for free.

inb4 a economy sustained by patreon and kickstarter
You know you can't sustain that, especially considering that there is no method to ensure the websites doas promised.

Also, what ca you do against permanent banckru bankruptcy? Let's say I pay my pension or insurance all my life, then suddenly th company goes bankrupt (PR scandal because of who knows what - maybe something related to social justice or a smear campaign by a competitor - why ? Because it's profitable, and that the only thig capitalism will do). The next day I break my leg or something, but can't get the money to get well again. What now? My insurance is gone, I'm broke and free because I don't habe to put chicken in my chicken soup or something like that. Same applies for pensions.

It's all nonsense, and nobody outside of the US is even remotely interested in that. Just stop being an embarrassment. Half of your replies are just memes, the other helf is worse. Capitalism, the way we use it, is a mode of production. Something you don't care about, since it's all a distribution dichotomy, and that's the only problem. Having the abstract "freedom", to choose between two or more options - a market. It's a abstraction, a metaphor, a ideal - and as sch won't an can't exist. Anarcho capitalism is hence the futile attempt to adapt the real world to the flawed assumptions of (neoclassical/bourgeois) economic and the super human conception ofnthe " homo economicus". And you say we don't know anything about human nature.

Anthony Lewis
Anthony Lewis

You dont understand the graph, the lower the number the higher the social mobility

http://www.epi.org/publication/usa-lags-peer-countries-mobility/

Isaac Collins
Isaac Collins

so how does this prove your point lul?

Liam Hernandez
Liam Hernandez

What can you do if someone "steals" your immaterial property, like Music (rights), Movie (richts) or innovation?
if it was online and someone downloaded it you cannot do anything about it

Because if not, you'd have no Music, Movies, Software, Games, etc. since everyone would rather torrent the stuff than pay for a license.
how come we have perfume industry and design industry yet no intellectual property there?

Also, what ca you do against permanent banckru bankruptcy? Let's say I pay my pension or insurance all my life, then suddenly th company goes bankrupt (PR scandal because of who knows what - maybe something related to social justice or a smear campaign by a competitor - why ? Because it's profitable, and that the only thig capitalism will do). The next day I break my leg or something, but can't get the money to get well again. What now? My insurance is gone, I'm broke and free because I don't habe to put chicken in my chicken soup or something like that. Same applies for pensions.
depends on specific agreement

It's all nonsense, and nobody outside of the US is even remotely interested in that.
im not from the usa

Having the abstract "freedom", to choose between two or more options - a market. It's a abstraction, a metaphor, a ideal - and as sch won't an can't exist
????!?!?!

Jace King
Jace King

pls respond to me why you post graphs you dont understand and how stronger the welfare state is= higher social mobility

James Ortiz
James Ortiz

proven by the graph you posted btw ty

Gabriel Thompson
Gabriel Thompson

Extra note for >>1788115:

Anarcho capitalism has to be borderless. If not, outside (non NAP respecting forces) will rush in and take over. No random mish-mash of uncoordinated, voluntary gun-owners can protect themselves from a professional army. Therefore for anarcho capitalism to exist, no governments are allowed to reign - ignoring the fact that the conditions for governments to form still exist.

So, without borders, and assuming the inevitable feudal system hasn't set in yet, anyone can move anywhere they want - and get employment. In fact, it's even better - they have to. But since there is a far grander demand for jobs than are offered (everyone is competing with everyone after all), the global wage-level will be equalized. And think of how that would look like now. The mean wage of Africa, China, India competing with Europe and the USA. Even within Europe there would be great problems, looking at the difference between northern and southern wages. Plus, child labor is profitable again (nobody is punishing you if you do it), so families might just send their children to Bangladesh instead of going to school, since otherwise they would just starve. It's profitable. But of course, the child will stay in poverty since he doesn't have any relevant skills and is probably illiterate. Good luck living beyond 20.

So we have a international game of people, competing with each other to get some wage, to survive, mass migrations to where ever wages provide a minimally better life, total freedom to fire anyone, abuse them or anything else, because they signed a """voluntary""" contract, and they totally have the freedom to go work where ever they want to. But at the same time, every business can fail, due to the most random reasons one can imagine. So much for a stable economy, everyone will trust and invest in.

It's obvious that none of this will ever be implemented - the people who are currently in power would never want it to happen. Your only role is to ensure orthodoxy in libertarian parties, making sure they don't start getting more realistic and allowing certain (obviously necessary) market regulations.

What strikes the normal person as obvious, evades your mind totally: the government isn't here to provide the best possible service, in the way markets would. They are only supposed to ensure stability and preserve the conditions for a economy, where nobody has to fear that their fringe private currency might loose all it's value tomorrow, their bank might be gone for good, or all the businesses in the region might move on to somewhere where it's more profitable to sell. These aren't the circumstances for a market to flourish. In fact, the opposite, ie. stability is exactly what all your "market success stories" are based on. Do you think people would have founded Apple or Uber if they had to fear for their life? I doubt it. Your level of hypocrisy is unimaginable.

Wyatt Barnes
Wyatt Barnes

if it was online and someone downloaded it you cannot do anything about it
That's what I'm talking about - you sell me a song, I upload it on piratebay. As you said
you cannot do anything about it
Nobody will give you any money, you'll make a loss on your production, and as such, since it had become unprofitable to make music (movies, games, etc.) they won't be produced, no matter the demand. Since paying customers don't exist. And why should anyone pay you, if everyone is born into a utilitarian, materialist (in the bad sense), profit-maximising mindset, not caring about anything that won't be of a benefit to exactly an just them? Ignoring the fact that there won't be a state to ensure the propaganda flowing, through schools and so on

how come we have perfume industry and design industry yet no intellectual property there?
1. We don't live under anarcho capitalism???
2. What does the perfume industry have to do with anything? Are you talking about formulas (here we have the intellectual property), which can be copied, especially if it's profitable to do so?
3. Same applies to the "design industry", except if you implied something else nobody understood.

depends on specific agreement
There is nobody to agree or disagree with. The company you made a deal with is gone, has vanished, nonexistent. You've lost all your money, and can't get it back, and will die now because you have to pay for health care. But since your choice to do so is totally voluntary, there's absolutely no chance anyone will try to rip you off at all. Ignore the UK before the NHS. That's totally not what it's going to be like.

Sidenote: if you unironically conciser this a voluntary choice, taxes are voluntary too, since you have the permanent freedom to kill yourself at any time you wish.

im not from the usa
But according to google trends, 100% of the searches on "aanrcho capitalism" come from the USA: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=anarcho%20capitalism

I know special snowflakes like you exist everywhere, but ancapism still is only "relevant" (in a relative sense) within the USA, since they have a retarded hate of governments anyways.

????!?!?!
Excuse my polemics. I was making fun of the ancap conception of a market, in the most abstract form possible (choosing between two or more options). Hence all the stupid analogies like "marketplace of ideas".

William Perez
William Perez

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IfRmkCxyk8

2. What does the perfume industry have to do with anything? Are you talking about formulas (here we have the intellectual property), which can be copied, especially if it's profitable to do so?
these industries thrive having no IP

There is nobody to agree or disagree with.
they should be taken to court for not abiding to agreement

taxes are voluntary too, since you have the permanent freedom to kill yourself at any time you wish.
taxation is extortion, commies can set up co-ops to escape "exploitation" and i cannot set own free territory legally

Logan Gray
Logan Gray

coops wont escape exploitation read Marx you pleb. Also i want more graphs you dont understand

Nathaniel Price
Nathaniel Price

coops wont escape exploitation
because rightwingers will work in hierarchical firms?

Daniel Parker
Daniel Parker

Read Marxs critique of Proudhon. Also can we agree that clearly welfare states increase social mobility and free markets do not. As you say britain has a freer market than the US and lower mobility. Good graph good graph

Camden Foster
Camden Foster

no, you tell me

Gavin Watson
Gavin Watson

You are in desperate need of reading anything when you post graphs that disprove your statement

Kayden Thompson
Kayden Thompson

these industries thrive having no IP
My point wasn't that industries can only thrive with IP, but certain industries cannot exist without. The degree to which you misunderstood my point is astonishing, which explains my response.

they should be taken to court for not abiding to agreement
Who? The bankrupt company, with no more money? And you except them to pay? Great and successful economy ensured.

taxation is extortion, commies can set up co-ops to escape "exploitation" and i cannot set own free territory legally
Not even related to what I was talking about, and since there is a conversation already going on about this, I'll not comment.

Also, why are you ignoring vast pasts of my posts (and misrepresenting or derailing the rest)? What about ? Anarcho capitalism is the easiest ideology to argue for, since whatever the issue is, you just have to say the market will do it and assume the economists are right. But you still fail miserably at it, and if you weren't that dishonest and stubborn, you would have given up a long time ago. **Which you have the freedom to do at any time, btw''

Asher Wood
Asher Wood

industries cannot exist without.
what?

And you except them to pay?
they can sell their organs

Parker Robinson
Parker Robinson

what?
If you had been reading along, you would remember my examples (from ):
Music, Movies, Software, Games

they can sell their organs
1. You only have so many organs to sell
2. Try telling that to everyone, and still except the market not to be overflowed with organs.

Just pathetic.

Jaxon Baker
Jaxon Baker

funny because maciej miąsik- famous polish game developer is against IP

James Davis
James Davis

maciej miąsik
This is the worst case of a anecdotal evidence fallacy I've ever seen. Not only do you not mention any of his arguments, or cit him saying something related to it, but you post no information about this allegedly "famous" game developer. When you google him, half the results are in polish, so I have no idea what the argument is even supposed to be.

You're basically saying "someone else has a argument, so my position is ok"

Again: pathetic

Parker Ramirez
Parker Ramirez

google translate u moron

Noah Sullivan
Noah Sullivan

Give me at least a source or a article where he talks about it, before I translate everything I can assume he wrote.

Pathetic.

Hudson Martin
Hudson Martin

https://www.miasik.net/archive/tag/ip/

Nathan Hill
Nathan Hill

While I try finding an argument in between all the articles, could you so kind as to summarize his position or the position (you too seem to hold) in general. Remember, the thread in anchored, so times running out.

Joseph Torres
Joseph Torres

Or any articles where he talks about the points I've made.

I saw this quote in one of his articles:
We must recognize libertarianism as the principal advocates of freedom, science, human knowledge, information, competition in the free market, justice and private property rights that patents and copyrights are completely 100% contrary to the purpose of property rights. They undercut property rights. They interfere with the development of science and disrupt the process of acquiring knowledge and freedom of expression. Science, knowledge and property are designed to overcome the shortcomings and allow for prosperity. Supporting something that undermines it is at the same time the opposite of prosperity, freedom, knowledge and ideas. I would say - do not fix, but let's get rid of them [patents and copyright].
And frankly, it has nothing to do with the objections I raised.

Joseph Campbell
Joseph Campbell

if you pirate a game you do not steal it because someone must lose sth for it to be the case of stealing. and it is not certain that these ppl would buy if they had not possibility of downloading illegally

Dylan Hernandez
Dylan Hernandez

Is that seriously everything? Thats once again entirely unrelated to what I'm talking about (if it is actually everything). I'm not arguing that is is or is not illegal (or should be), I even put "steals" in quotes in my first post

My argument is coming from a totally amoralistic position, I'm not concerend with what's right or not. All I'm saying is that without IP Games, Movies, Music would be distributed for free over Piratebay or whatever, and the producers would have a very hard time to make a profit, regardless of whether it's "actually" illegal or not.

Pathetic.

Nathan Hall
Nathan Hall

monty python's dvds skyrocketted after making their movies publicly avalible

Gavin Rodriguez
Gavin Rodriguez

That's a nice statement you've got there.

Connor Nelson
Connor Nelson

Assuming your argument is "Monty Python making their movies public, and experiencing higher CD sales, means that whenever a company would do this, they would sell more CDs":
- You're ignoring the whole context. Usually companies don't do this (if it were profitable, they would be doing it), so their "kind gesture" was well revived by loyal fans.
- They are Monty Python - not a no-name series, but one of the most famous comedy shows ever - it's not naive to assume they have a bit of a benefit because of that

Owen Barnes
Owen Barnes

why only the famous benefit from this phenomenon in your opinion?

Carter Jones
Carter Jones

I'm not talking about any law or regularity here. I'm saying this was a very specific example, within a specific context, that doesn't necessarily mean that it would work for everyone everywhere whenever they tried to do so.

Or do you actually believe that this would be the case, even if everyone gave away their stuff for free? Under anarcho-capitalism, the last grain on non-comercialized relationships would eventually fade away, and all of human existence would be geared towards one and only one goal: Profit for the sake of Profit. The kind of empathy we still do experience, like in this case when older actors publish their old movies, without any real risk in the end, would probably be far more weaker, since everyone would be born into a
utilitarian, materialist (in the bad sense), profit-maximising mindset, not caring about anything that won't be of a benefit to exactly an just them?
(From )

So if you would please stop evading my arguments, ignoring more and more of them, sidestepping and deraling, can you then just admit that there is a intrinsic problem with intellectual property and capitalism, where at the same time it is necessary but it's also impossible to uphold. If you do so, you've admitted to yourself one of the contradictions of capitalism - with hopefully more to follow.

Evan Hernandez
Evan Hernandez

all of human existence would be geared towards one and only one goal: Profit for the sake of Profit
wtf are you talking about? it is obvioous strawman

Blake Collins
Blake Collins

It's a bit hyperbolic, I'll give you that, but I still insist that that is fundamental to capitalism (as a mode of production). Or do what exactly are you disagreeing about. How is this a strawman, because you know, you can't just shout out some fallacy without explaining why it's relevant here.

Camden Evans
Camden Evans

capitalism is for plurality of mentalities unlike totalitarian left wing ideologies, i support capitalism because i like diversity

Christopher Rivera
Christopher Rivera

We're talking about a mode of production, sweetie. And regarding that, you have still not brought up a single point.

unlike totalitarian left wing ideologies
Strawman, because you are assuming all "left wing ideologies" are the same, or at least the same in their aspect of being totalitarian, which you don't further elaborate, and leave me having to assume and guess what you're talking about

i support capitalism because i like diversity
Could you elaborate? Diversity of what? All if see is formal diversity, nothing essential. What company can reproduce itself in a method other than producing profit to sustain itself? It seems pretty un-diverse, if you ask me.

Asher Bailey
Asher Bailey

in capitalism mode of production be like in socialism (co-op) but do not steal. but commies just want to pretend they work and get money and in capitalism they are outcompeted by traditional firms so they bawww much opression

Robert Thompson
Robert Thompson

You're grammer is getting worse and worse, so I have no idea what you are trying to say.

I'll try to reformulate what I am understanding, and you correct me if I'm wrong:
A capitalist mode of production would be like socialism, with co-ops, but without theft.
But communists want to pretend as to be working, but still get payed
Under capitalism they are outcompeted by traditional firms, so they say "bawww much opression"

Also, try reading this, since you seem to lack very elementary knowledge of what we are trying to talk about: https://libcom.org/library/capitalism-communism-gilles-dauve - even if you disagree, knowing the opponents side better, is always a plus.

Bentley Nelson
Bentley Nelson

capitalism does not ban common ownership of means of prodution, but the thing is that co-ops fail on free market usually- what proves that traditional firms are better

Jeremiah Martin
Jeremiah Martin

Capitalism doesn't "ban" anything, the way a state would. But it is mutually exclusive with society as a whole owning the MoP and using them for for a social good, and not the individual good of those who own it. Because, you know, co-ops aren't socialism. Again, read the article.

+ Where did you get that co-ops usually fail?

Jacob Jones
Jacob Jones

co-ops aren't socialism
ah so every bourgouise must be expropriated in every part of earth for socialism to work?

Evan Myers
Evan Myers

I'm too tiered to go through all the standard gotchas and strawmen, so I once again beg you to read the article.

Nowhere did I imply anything like that, I'm guessing you were just waiting for me to say something along those lines to spit out some baseless accusation. If not, please explain how you got the that conclusion. Also, please stop the retarded formulation - eg. "for socialism to work" - it has such a negative baggage, brining with it tons and tons of cold war memes and assumptions that are just based on propaganda and the same paroles one hears over and over again.

Henry Gonzalez
Henry Gonzalez

i read somewhere that in order for communism to work whole earth must be communistic

Robert Jackson
Robert Jackson

I'm pretty sure that if a communist wrote it, he didn't phrase it that way, since while I might understand what he would be intending to say, people like you would interpret the wrong message.

The point is that capitalism, in an effort to save itself, will always try to crush communist uprisings, as we've seen in history over and over again. If at war, the already established force (capitalism) would have a decisive advantage, for I believe obvious reasons, in the same way feudalism had a advantage against capitalism (at first). So it's not a issue of for "communism to work" (again, I'm assuming you're thinking of the USSR here or something), since the same if true for capitalism. What's special about capitalism, is also it's permanent will to expand, meaning that it will, wherever the circumstances exist, for wage labour to take place and production for exchange is viable, go there and take over. In fact, one might argue that if these conditions still exist, capitalism was never overcome in the first place.

So we see it's a far more nuanced issue that you tried to make it out with that crude statement, even if I just wrote a short paragraph. If you intend to know more, again, I advise you to read the article. I've even linked it as a pdf. And here's another link: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/francois-martin-and-jean-barrot-aka-gilles-dauve-eclipse-and-re-emergence-of-the-communist-move#toc7 ! It's really not that hard to read it, and it will help you understand what you're arguing against, much easier and more efficient!

Carter Johnson
Carter Johnson

will always try to crush communist uprisings
via ppl selling in communism goods for money in black market?

Ryan Butler
Ryan Butler

So you are talking about the USSR? Read this: http://www.sinistra.net/lib/pro/whyrusnsoc.html to find out why the soviet union (and all it's satellites) were capitalist.

Long story short: if markets do arise, especially if it's not just people trading stuff they don't even need for survival, like clothes or games (which doesn't stand in conflict with communism - we don't indent to abolish trade as such, but with production for exchange additionally, we want to get rid of trade being the fundamental part of society which coordinates it's productive process. Two people swaping stuff in their free time, is not our concern nor our problem. We don't care)

Ayden Clark
Ayden Clark

Oops, forgot to finish my sentence ^^:
if markets do arise, especially if it's not just people trading stuff they don't even need for survival, like clothes or games…
we haven't overcome capitalism, as a mode of production, no matter how planned the economy officially is. Don't fall for the trap of believing black markets were a subversion of the USSR - they were an integral part of it's operations.

Alexander Barnes
Alexander Barnes

will always try to crush communist uprisings
hm maybe capitalist states attack communist ones because communists murder own citizens

Brayden Anderson
Brayden Anderson

1. You know they couldn't care less. How many other states have committed genocide without capitalist interventions
2. "Communism" is still stateless, but I get what you're trying to say "the alleged socialist regimes of the cold war"
3. I'm talking about uprisings, not states in the quote you took from me. This is anything from the Paris commune to enlightend modern day strikes
4. Don't ever belive a word Marxist-Lenninists/Tankies/Stalinists tell you

Cooper Sanchez
Cooper Sanchez

How many other states have committed genocide without capitalist interventions
how many?>>1789085

Jaxon Kelly
Jaxon Kelly

Look, you're obviously either trolling or have no interest to honestly participate in a conversation. I'll leave you with these two pictures, and once again a strong with and recommendation to read "Capitalism and Communism" by Dauve. Either way, at least for now it makes no sense to continue this conversation, since it's late where I am, and I have to go to sleep. I'll check by tomorrow again, to see if you actually bring up any worthwhile points, so this isn't necessarily over, don't worry.

Liam Diaz
Liam Diaz

that picrel
it is not capitalism fail that some niggers die
the problem is that capitalism is so productive that 1st world countries send aid to africa and niggers breed like crazy and even ebola and aids cannot help

William Cruz
William Cruz

Fucking ancraps BTFO all over this thread.

Josiah Jackson
Josiah Jackson

yea who gives a fuck tho. just ban all of them for being socially retarded.

Juan Robinson
Juan Robinson

Threads like this where capitalists are BTFO actually strengthen my "faith" in leftism, though. I want them to keep it coming. But to each his own. But I can see how it can get irritating. I'm actually new to leftism, so I need to be reassured. I'm still trying to educate myself, but I can't decide what to read first a lot of times.

Hudson King
Hudson King

where was i btfo?

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

This. An egoist capitalist will seek to maintain capitalism, and an egoist prole will seek to abolish capitalism.

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