So, what is Holla Forums general view on criminals and criminality?I have been...

Elijah Gonzalez
Elijah Gonzalez

So, what is Holla Forums general view on criminals and criminality?I have been getting some really heated up discussion on my local leftist groups
In my country, 90% of the leftists are on the liberal spectre, and they are famous "criminal defenders" that believe that criminals dont deserve to the threatened by the police, because they are victims of the society and the system
I dont believe that bullshit, and I usually get called a fascist when I disagree that criminals deserve to be punished, and that the police should kill them if it threatens the police officer life or they absolutely refuse to co-operate in any possible way
We have dozens of different rehabilitation programs to try and get criminals back into society, but the results are poor and in general just a waste on the public money
So, basically, fuck criminals, we dont want them, and we dont need them, any of their kind

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http://www.diariodepernambuco.com.br/app/noticia/brasil/2017/05/09/interna_brasil,702899/brasil-lidera-numero-de-assassinatos-no-mundo-60-mil-mortes-no-ano.shtml
http://brasil.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,50-milhoes-de-brasileiros-tem-algum-amigo-ou-parente-que-foi-assassinado,70001767264
http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All
http://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/01/05/politica/1483624203_712909.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate
Zachary Adams
Zachary Adams

Just realized how I fucked up on the grammar here, sorry
"nd I usually get called a fascist when I AGREE that criminals deserve to be punished"

Owen Sanders
Owen Sanders

sounds about in line with stalinist praxis

Lucas Baker
Lucas Baker

We have dozens of different rehabilitation programs to try and get criminals back into society, but the results are poor and in general just a waste on the public money

Do you have any source on that? Because I know that in my country around 70% of first time convicts don't offend again. In large part due to rehabilitation. Yet most people here seem to believe that rehabilitation doesn't work and everyone should die which is dumb.

Wyatt Mitchell
Wyatt Mitchell

Isn't most American rehab, just like the rest of American justice system, a money-go-round?

Jackson Hernandez
Jackson Hernandez

We have dozens of different rehabilitation programs to try and get criminals back into society, but the results are poor and in general just a waste on the public money

[citation needed]

Gabriel Morales
Gabriel Morales

It depends. The existence of drug crimes is stupid. But people like murderers or rapists need to be removed from society and locked up.

Jacob Williams
Jacob Williams

throw criminals in confined spaces with other criminals
they keep being criminals
BUT HOW!

Hudson Young
Hudson Young

How does leftypol justify the fact that under communism African Americans would still make up a disproportionate number of people in the gulags? Really makes you think…

Ryan Diaz
Ryan Diaz

Are you implying Republicunts and white supremacists aren't going there?

Wyatt Williams
Wyatt Williams

Crimes against property are acceptable under capitalism. Crimes against an individual's body are not. Theft (especially non-violent theft) should not be punished.

James Brooks
James Brooks

pander to my american idpol please
nah

Justin Lewis
Justin Lewis

Except they don't. Norway has a lower recidivism rate than the US even though their prison system is more rehabilitation focused.

Liam Jenkins
Liam Jenkins

Based on what? Your feelings?

Henry Wood
Henry Wood

your local is right. fuck off red fascist

Levi Allen
Levi Allen

wait are you saying norway has more rehab focused prisons or the us

Carter Hernandez
Carter Hernandez

Norway obviously, Norwegian prison is like a vacation compared to US prisons.

Luke Gomez
Luke Gomez

their prison system is more rehabilitation focused.

Keep telling yourself that, just look at what Nordcuck prison did to Varg Vikernes.

Julian Fisher
Julian Fisher

Varg was already an absolute madman before he went to prison

Aiden Bell
Aiden Bell

varg is way more tame and stable than in the 90s

Nicholas Ortiz
Nicholas Ortiz

Could you be more clueless

Grayson Morris
Grayson Morris

left the country, bought land, got a family
holy shit someone stop the nords

Caleb Butler
Caleb Butler

Depends heavily on the crime. How is one to defend rape, murder, slavery, kidnapping; even if they are after all products of the material conditions of the criminal? On the other hand, certain crimes like fraud, robbery, and killings may (on a case by case basis) be approved, but definitely not publicly.

Why are these leftists defending criminals when they should be more dedicated to the emancipation of the proletariat, though?

Easton Harris
Easton Harris

Why are these leftists defending criminals when they should be more dedicated to the emancipation of the proletariat, though?

Most likely they are just red liberals and are trying to justify migrant/minority crime somehow. That's the only time I have ever seen this.

Aaron Green
Aaron Green

le migrant INVASION we must be very scared of the migrants the migrants the migrants the owiehgwoaiehgwoi4utwoithwoit

kys fascist

Adrian Rivera
Adrian Rivera

Why are these leftists defending criminals when they should be more dedicated to the emancipation of the proletariat, though?
How many booj end up in prison for shoplifting?

Luke Jackson
Luke Jackson

Depends on the crime.
Victimless "crimes" like drugs are always ok. Fuck DEA.
Other stuff like theft, burglary, arson, etc. entirely depend on who the victim is. Was a bank robbed? Was a store shoplifted from? Was someone's mansion burned down? Hell yeah, that's rad. Stealing from poor people? Fuck you.

I support the death penalty for all murderers and rapists.

Luis Fisher
Luis Fisher

Hello goon-kun

Ayden Morgan
Ayden Morgan

Few, probably less than proletarians. Why?

Xavier Perez
Xavier Perez

How is one to defend rape, murder, slavery, kidnapping; even if they are after all products of the material conditions of the criminal?
Easy: It's part of their culture and the defendant didn't know the cries for help meant it wasn't consensual. He is the real victim and deserves more money.

William Taylor
William Taylor

who kills the executioner?

Dominic Hall
Dominic Hall

I know you are trolling but this is actually something that has already been addressed by Hobbes in Leviathan. Read it.

Austin Foster
Austin Foster

I'm brazilian, not american, and only have sources in portuguese
But really, if you consider that we are talking about a country that registers almost 60.000 murders per year
http://www.diariodepernambuco.com.br/app/noticia/brasil/2017/05/09/interna_brasil,702899/brasil-lidera-numero-de-assassinatos-no-mundo-60-mil-mortes-no-ano.shtml

A country that a huge chunk of the population has had a parent killed
http://brasil.estadao.com.br/noticias/geral,50-milhoes-de-brasileiros-tem-algum-amigo-ou-parente-que-foi-assassinado,70001767264

And that still has one of the biggest prison populations in the world
http://www.prisonstudies.org/highest-to-lowest/prison-population-total?field_region_taxonomy_tid=All

http://brasil.elpais.com/brasil/2017/01/05/politica/1483624203_712909.html

You cant really say that our prisons and rehabilitation services are top notch
I'm not going to let crime take over my city and control my life just because some leftliberal snowflakes thinks they are the victims here

Nolan Hernandez
Nolan Hernandez

Yet most people here seem to believe that rehabilitation doesn't work and everyone should die which is dumb.
Most of us aren't nazbols or tankies.

Elijah Ortiz
Elijah Ortiz

Executing murderers and rapists isn't murder, it's exterminating vermin.

Asher Davis
Asher Davis

"Rehab" doesn't work because it isn't meant to. Every empty bed at a private prison is money going down the drain. Here the states can be fined for not keeping a prison over a certain occupancy percentage.
Because of this I am skeptical of most charges and tend to lean towards the criminal.

Jacob Ward
Jacob Ward

This would be my response to whoever uttered this shit.

Eh, I don't see how that has bearing on what I said, but I agree.

Aaron Anderson
Aaron Anderson

Quoted the wrong person. My bad.

Jaxson Taylor
Jaxson Taylor

I agree with your friends, sorry OP, it depends what kind of crime obviously but it's hard to get by these days and people can make mistakes.

Michael Morris
Michael Morris

Brazil has 19 of the top 50 cities with highest murder rate:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

Justin King
Justin King

And do you think that maybe the fact that half of Brazilians live in shanty towns might have something to do with with high rates of violence and gang activity?

Nathaniel Cox
Nathaniel Cox

Crime is just a spook. Don't forget to steal from every store until capitalism collapses.

Jason Miller
Jason Miller

First of all, "criminals" covers way too many types of offenses, classes and situations, to say nothing of the country in question. It should be broken up in categories such as these. I think it's better to separate by type of offense.

We have dozens of different rehabilitation programs to try and get criminals back into society, but the results are poor and in general just a waste on the public money
Details, please. Also, how is your prison system, national living standards, and government?

Regardless, if you see the prison system's goal is to punish, you already fucked up. That's quite literally pre-historic. If rehabilitation doesn't work for whatever reason, then by all means, keep then caged for life, but do it for the safety of the public. And abut just plain killing, well, the idealist in me says the State should never be trusted, let alone with the choice of life or death over someone. In practice, well, the world would be an undeniably better place if they ate a lead salad. If a sociopath does become a professional criminal, for example, he's a lost case.

Asher Williams
Asher Williams

OP if you ever pirated music or some show and yes that includes streaming.. guess what? You're a criminal.

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