Does anyone else get sick of how much the alt-right ideology has infiltrated other chan communities for non-politics...

Nah I'm getting pretty sick of it too.
Like i'm not left, I hate trannies and have mixed feelings about the entire LGBT community.
But I don't think every fucking problem is because of "the jews" and black people aren't all fucking fucking apes…holy hell if these stormfront niggers aren't starting to annoy me.

Read a book.

The aut right is the new edge. The only wY we can compete with them on the chans is with nazbol memes.

I suppose this is how your ideology functions.

Recently I was discussing someone's family situation on a non-politics board and one of you people entered the discussion spouting how life is just one big BDSM torture dungeon of capitalism and that only communism could provide salvation. You're like the jehovah's of chans. You don't even get Holla Forumsacks jumping in with an "akshually, it's the jews!'' everytime an issue is discussed.

If I read the books that used this model, we should have had communist world revolution and the collapse of capitalism 20 times over by now.

Your model fails on both falsfiability and predictive power, it's always ad hoc reasoning.

The right can present itself as a bunch of edgy underdogs standing up to a self righteous, no fun, PC establishment. that's definitely their main advantage at this point. The left and liberals (until recently an unified block in such matters) have nothing to offer people but dreary guilt sessions and prefab identity roles. it's really the thrill of transgression that keeps the right together.

pol cancer is what turned me from apolitical to leftist

I once though "hmm.. let's go somewhere else on Holla Forums… … let's see what V is doing… oh! A Va11-hall-a thread! Am playing this now… … oh.. it's just faggots complaining that not everyone is straight and the protagonist is a bi grill… Ok. I'll never leave leftypol again."

My money is on Sweden.
What are the odds and where do I place a bet?

its definitely made /sp/ less fun
but /sp/ has been dead for years

Then use >>>/reddit/, most of them are half-way to being woke anyways.

Yeah, it's pretty cancerous. You can't go anywhere on Holla Forums anymore without being subjected to aut-right sperging.

I'm sorry for that, this board is full of retards.

Actually you do.

No such thing

Idk what we could offer to compete with that, maybe try being more genuine and less sanctimonious. There's something really Protestant about the modern left, it's no longer about changing anything, but about promoting in group vibes among the elect few and the righteous while keeping the unclean masses far at bay. While in reality you have to go out there and convince people, you can't just scold them into submission, you gotta offer them something that makes them willing to transform themselves, to go beyond their petty ego motivations and staid identities. I feel like liberal cultural hegemony of the Obama era really got into people's heads, even into many leftists' heads. 'Progress' is not innevitable, in fact, one might even say capitalist civilisation will always harbor a tendency towards barbarism. Cosmopolitan bourgeoisie liberalism can only defend 'diversity' as a commodity- it's vibrant! New! Colourful! Ethnic restaurants and cheap labor! The choice of every discerning consumer! The increasingly resentful natives are just outmoded commodities, while minorities' commodity value always hinges on them reflecting the expectations of the bourgeoisie.

shoot yourself.

I found this quote particularly interesting. How do we advocate for diversity and openness in a way that's not this patronizing "Diversity helps our biznisses!" rhetoric?

10 years ago anons were shitting on scientology and today anons are shitting on SJWs. Same shit.

I've placed a formal request for source pls

Who is "we?" Leftists? It's my understanding that leftists want to achieve a socialist society through the end of exploitative businesses, and capitalism in general.
I'd agree that the left is unpopular, certainly not as popular as the alt-right. This is because it's been lumped in with liberalism- people don't understand that they're different. Maybe we need to piss off both liberals and cons. but ultimately harnessing the collective disillusionment with capitalism that has gripped the Millennial+gen z peoples and removing the depressive apathy towards everything like debt, wage slavery, lack of social security, etc. that literally every person under 35 knows about (in which they cope using "irony," drugs, memes, consumerist shit) and giving them a clear enemy would help. Except this "clear enemy" for most of these ignorant slaves is whyppl/men/patriarchy/idpol already. This is a huge barrier to actually achieving class consciousness for the younger generations.

Simple, you just frame it as being in favor of freedom. Its already the #1 buzzword here in burgerland, and in our case it's actually accurate instead of the "freedom for corporations to fuck you over" that the lolberts preach

Yeah, Holla Forums is the new Holla Forums and as a result all the newfags are edgy nazis. Unlike Holla Forums there isn't a cultural barrier(triforce and other shit) and Holla Forums culture promotes shitposting and memeing at whoever you're arguing with. So when they move to boards like /a/ where there is a strict culture they refuse to conform and shit the place up. I've given up on discussing anime with anyone outside a handful of people here and on /leftyweebpol/ because 4/a/ and 8/a/ have been colonized. I had never seen post quality drop so dramatically until Holla Forums spread their shitposting across 4chan. I really want to return to the good old days or at least have a nice place for anons to discuss hobbies without Holla Forums.

I don't care about the racism or anti-Semitism, what bothers me is the incessant preaching and nagging.

I've even seen people get legitimately offended by family guy of all things.
I've heard similar stories about what nationalists have done to 2ch.
Imageboards are being changed, and not in a good way, we are being co-opted.

anuddah shoah = whit3 gen0cide
fun = deg3neracy

Why are you posting this like we don't know what the wordfilters mean?
Are you some kinda newfag or something?

In fairness I somehow missed the fun one

Yes. Back in 2012.
The transformation is complete now.

While the word "nigger" doesn't trigger me and I even joke around using it with my friends (I'm black and we sometimes like to put emphasis on the "-er") I'm really tired of them making people who say nigger freely and often and about everything as paragons of freedom and intelligence.

I know what you mean. Its gotten so bad at this point that games that were always considered classics now get shat on for having "pozzed" content in them. And now the deciding factor for whether a game is good or not is not, you know whether the game is actually good or not or how the devs treat the players of their game, its about how much "pozz" the game contains. I'm still not clear on why they continue to pretend to like video games then when a Jew was responsible for the invention of them. It probably has something to do with the fact your average Holla Forums goer nowadays has piss poor knowledge of their own hobby's history or roots.

I've literally never seen this.
However, if you go to, say Holla Forums or Holla Forums, clearly everything is being ruined by minorities, women, and all manners of awful bad things.

i wish they would just grow a brain cell. It's obnoxious autism. A cure needs to be found.

Have you been on any hobby boards since 2014?

Elaborate further please.

Ackhshually, we did.
The last time, eight years ago, it was "salvaged" by a massive and ongoing capital infusion to the tune of several trillion dollars, just as millions of workers and young people were told there is simply "no money" to pay for essential public services and social programs. In Michigan, "emergency managers" appointed by the governor and given absolute authority to trump democratically elected local authorities without accountability to the public presided over historic pension-gutting for the sake of protecting creditors, as well as the decision to cut costs by supplying Flint with untreated corrosive water from a major industrial waste dumping site which directly caused over 100,000 cases of lead poisoning. Capitalism "survives" not of its own accord or under its own motions, but because the gangsters in government will take any action, no matter how deleterious to public health, safety, or welfare, no matter how brazenly it contravenes so-called "capitalist principles" of the free market, competition, liberty, and eminent pragmatism.

How many people called the bailouts "socialist"? It's truly telling the extreme methods used by capitalists to prolong the dominance of capital against its own contradictions can be so widely regarded as assaults upon capitalism.

I can see the far right and their ilk being the next group to attack video games as being degenerate to justify censorship. The current progressive gatekeepers will fuck off when the nerd culture fad dies out.

I just wish they would stop sperging out on Holla Forums.

HAHAHAHA

Holla Forums has been shit since 2007.

cast aoi … or something! I DON'T KNOW!

And SocDem will have finaly turned into Fascism!
THE PROFECY WILL BE REALIZED!

If that does happen I would be interested in whether there would be a backlash from Holla Forums or whether they would merely shrink back say nothing and pretend like it isn't happening like a submissive beaten house wife. That's kind of how I see the relationship between both Holla Forums,s and both Holla Forums,s at this point, where Holla Forums is the house wife who refuses to leave no matter how many times her hubby Holla Forums beats the snot out of her because she "still loves him".

OR!!!
They are the same person!!!

That's because leftist memes (excluding nazbol stuff) isn't edgy enough for channers to meme around with.

fucking seriously? do you just spend your time on reddit or something?

They're already doing it, they just don't have enough power to actually change anything.

I remember over ten years ago the most leftist thing you'd see on 4chan is this.
Also the fat faggot who ruled /z/ while it existed. You know, because of his name and all.

Not entirely, its just that whenever an old fag or non pol-autist speaks up about their behavior fucking up the board they get dogpiled.

Yeah this happens at all corners of the internet. You can't go on normie sites like FB, Reddit, or YouTube without seeing some comment on jews. GOd damn you have to be a fucking retard to agree w/ this

Bad things happen, how this means that there is a collapse of private property, trade and wage work; I don't see. Capitalism survives in the same sense any set of human action survives, by not being a thing that can be given a name. Even when your total collapse takes place, there still will be trade, there still will be people who pay other people to do things, there still will be land people claim as their own. All of this is not an entity that can be named, and doing so leads you into carefully crafted language game that imprisons the mind, grinding it in the contradiction between map (the names) and territory (the things).

About as many as those that called the USSR socialist?

Their logic is the same as yours, the word is the name of the ideal, the ideal does not exist and never will, something their adherents realize as well, for they always tell you to read a book or look up the definition, implicitly telling that what they speak of only exists in the folly of language.

yeah, but the younger generations think its hilarious and adopt it freely. And as the number of people online expands exponentially and as forums and image boards become more public along with twitter, then more idiots will start thinking and speaking like Holla Forums trains them to. There's nothing you can do, this is a coordinated psy-op being pushed by d33p [email protected]/* */

SovietRussia?

This is that non-argument where people try to say capitalism is natural, like libertarians who argue bartering is capitalism or something

I just want to talk about video games or anime without muh joos, muh equality, muh hwites, muh blacks, etc. Now it's hard for literally anything to not be filled to the brim with this garbage.

Tell me more about how wanting to get the world nuked and praising the Guillotine is not edgy!

Not to mention all the RAF and so on potential.
It's not that they are not edgy. It's that there is a geniune core of fascists and nazis in the US society, as a result of decades of anti-communist propaganda.

Looks like you just want to promote your nazbol or something…

When the parasite take over enough of the body, it's no longer the body. It's the parasite.

That's mostly because these people have nothing better to do with their lives.

you took a golden quote and tried to debunk it with shit-tier philosophy. fucking pathetic.

People don't seem to mention this often, but it's extraordinary on its face that a "cultural libertarian" movement against industry censorship, against blacklisting, against moral policing, against propagandizing entertainment, against corruption and nepotism, and ostensibly against the real forces which cause these things in common to all industries managed, with Jack Thompson and traditionalist Christian moralism still in the rear view mirror, to be so largely co-opted into today's Holla Forums and a crusade explicitly against perceived social and ideological immorality in society, politics, art, and entertainment, and explicitly against a set of ideas accused of destroying civilization. Many of us came here out of GG, as I did, but the movement at large failed to find a genuinely leftist, anti-identarian expression because it was not open to considering the objective structure of industry as a factor in what we saw, and was heavily influenced to that end by Holla Forums. Similarly, the alignment of SJWs with "the left" led people to believe there was no such valid expression, and so they grew to support the same sorts of practices as a means of defeating their opponents' message, and not of redressing grievances.
It's surprising how so many of the most piercing critiques of capitalism today are unwittingly found under the aegis of "the right wing" amid the assaults of capital's "left"-liberal cheerleaders.

Since the marxist critique of every self-proclaimed socialist nation that ever existed is that they were capitalist because there were things like bartering, you're not really in disagreement with them.

The term "capitalism", in the sense of giving a name to a totality, making it into "system", as if we live in a computer in which a new system can be installed, is like naming the given fact that humans have relationships as "relationism" and then blaming it as the source for anything and everything because every human action can somehow be related to it.

I hope you can understand my post well enough to engage with it.

I wouldn't consider the parasite to be the body though, or at least the original body. Just like how, just as a metaphor I guess, a body snatcher is not the original person that they are imitating no matter how well they can imitate them, there is the truth underneath of the parasite who has invaded. Ive been on chans since 2006 and every single time I look at current Holla Forums I'm fucking shocked by how alienating it is to me. Ive talked to many other people who feel the same way.

I'm not offended, I'm annoyed. Shut the fuck up, fuck sake

I'd be perfectly fine if it was just limited to imageboards. YouTube, twitch, pretty much anywhere with anime, video games or comics is dominated with underage kids drunk on retarded Holla Forums memes

This is a great point to bring up. At the beginnings of the whole gamer gate thing and before there was a genuine contention towards the corporations and shady business practices that drove a lot of what was wrong with games at the time and today as well as games journalism, people were very genuinely concerned with DLC, DRM, always online shit and etc, now there's very little if any discussion on these issues compared to the past, Holla Forums was able to use numbers and force to steer Holla Forums away from criticizing the economics that incentivize the behavior or even just the behavior itself and instead focus on the supposed political orientation of the journalists and the like.

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people still haven't figured out that open world games and multiplayer only games are fraudulent attempts at selling people repetitive content that's artificially expanded outwards indefinitely. Gamers brains have been trained to want retard experiences, so developers give them retard experiences. No one learned anything from GG if they had no one would have bought any of the last 15 AAA titles that have come out since then.

Capitalism =/= "trade, people who pay other people to do things, land people claim as their own."
All you've done here is arbitrarily redefine "capitalism" to mean "any human activity concerned with production and exchange" without giving an explicit, consistent and complete definition, and then used that fulcrum to equivocate the two concepts. Or, if you prefer, 🍀🍀🍀ideals.🍀🍀🍀
You want to talk ideals, fine. Let's talk about the ideal of mathematics. Minkowski space is a sterile abstraction, an ideal, which exists not in the material world but in the realm of thought. If, however, some aspect of material reality can be said to correspond to this ideal, then certain a priori arguments about the nature of Minkowski space can be applied to infer the properties of the real world, and the validity of this inference, and thus of the claimed correspondence, is something that can be studied empirically. And lo and behold, every major prediction of general relativity on the classical scale has been confirmed.
Fuck, I can even go brainlet-tier on this one. The "derivative" is not a real, material thing but an ideal which "only exists in the folly of language," and yet, many physical things do actually have a well-defined position and velocity, and many physical processes do indeed appear, on close inspection, to involve observable quantities changing continuously over time
It does not at all follow that because something is an abstraction or a concept that it must have no utility in explaining the real world, but I'm sure you realize this. What you must see as the most ingenious sophistry is actually quite transparent, however.

Its social engineering, my niggers. This shit is planned. Our psychology is limited and there's certain things that make us tick. There were some Bilderberg documents from 03 I believe that leaked. It said something along the lines of there being planned massive 3rd world immigration to Europe caused by a catastrophe or war in order to breed chaos in the local population and then knee jerk reactionism to get the locals to accept cage cities and extreme limits on travel. I'm basically talking out my ass here because I don't have the Doc to prove it. If some based user here could provide it that'd be amazing. Theres something deeply worrying about the Alt-Right. Its so blatantly a psyop I cant even fathom how people fall for it. I know that talking about conspiracies is Holla Forumss game but we need to consider that too. We as human have a calculable way of reacting to things and there's some people working behind the scenes engineering the social climate we inhabit today. The new Fascists with the advanced technology they now are in possession of as well as the population being simply emotionally and mentally manipulated by talking heads on digital screens is going to lead to a future far darker than that of the 3rd Reich. I really, really don't want to be a nhilism inducing worrywart here but we need a revolution and fast before porkie gets his hands on advanced robots and AI. Godspeed my friends and thank you for showing me the true red pill.

I noticed something odd on how most conservative anti government detractors shifted from "trust nobody" to "the goverment is perfect but the jews/leftists/marxists are corrupting it"

I agree. I don't know how these eternal mongoloids can stomach the idea that the CIA/US govt is leftest in any way. This shit only stems from a total and deep ignorance.

there is actually some merit to saying that the contemporary CIA and State Deparment are Globalist Progressives while the Nat Sec agencies and old CIA were decidedly Corporate Fascist Hegemonic Imperialists. They are warring with each other right now. Blue Deep State versus Red Deep State (NSA and State Dept vs CIA and DoD, traditionally).

This guy is on to something.
I was far left for many years, but the mainstreaming of SJWism around the Occupy era pushed me hard to the right.
What gets me is that on these social issues- diversity, multiculturalism, etc. the far left seems to follow the lead of bourgeois cosmopolitan neoliberalism- i.e. they approach the problem with the same rhetoric as the smug fucking corporate/celebrity elites.

The alt-right often gets dismissed as a homogeneous white supremacist group, but it's not all stormniggers.
They might get frequently shouted down with accusations of 'cuck' and 'nu/pol/' (groupthink reinforcing edginess) but there's the whole 'based minority' meme, the canonization of non-whites like Dorner, ZimZam and Assad, and occasionally some will try to express views about race that are more nuanced than 'kill em all' - i.e. "they are different from us, but I don't wish ill upon them if they don't mess with me"

Also, in a way, I think the fixation on fun is the flip side of SJW posting about racism/sexism/homophobia etc. I'm a little turned off from using the word 'racist' due to my bad experiences with SJWs, but I would still see something like skinheads beating up some random minority just for being in the wrong neighborhood as kinda fucked up. That's definitely on a different level from some infantile bullshit like Holocausts or whining about media representation of obese trans pocs or whatever. Same thing with fun- There are some things I simply have a gut reaction of disgust to, but on the flip side, there are 'stop having fun' guys who use it to purity spiral.

That is true. Possibly. The far scarier reality is that this is all speculation and we're totally in the dark here. The real people in power, Currency manipulators, social engineers, the media elite.. Ect. We dont know their names, we will never see their faces. We dont know anything about them. That's whats terrifying. While it could be a deep state war it could also just be them switching tactics for more or less the same results. We just don't know user.. I'm scared asf but I really do hope you're all well.

But, the Holocaust happened and it was a result of Nazism and Germanic and Slavic anti-Jewish racism.

How is recognizing that Nazism is linked with anti-Jewish beliefs infantile? it just seems like you don't like Porky, a lot of porkies and their advocates are Jews (though not most of them) and so you somehow use this to justify not believing in the holocaust? I'm sort of at a loss here. I don't know what you meant by this statement

wordfilter: micr0aggression = holocaust

What's scarier is that not only can we not know who the deep state people are, especially in Europe and Asia. But, the shadow banking people, the people who own all the mutual funds and banks are totally anonymous. In fact the whole Fed Reserve rothschild narrative is designed to obscure this fact, the actual institutes are all owned by funds and shell corps and no one knows who owns them. The paper trails dry up. I've tried figuring out who owns JP Morgan Chase and Barclays and its impossible to figure out who benefits the most from them. They created a perfect system where they could progressively hide themselves behind walls of deception and information privacy, now none of us know who owns these large funds that own all the major financial firms and industrial firms. It is terrifying, terror is the point, if you are acutely aware of shadow governance you will be looking for names and connections. Not being able to find them, yet knowing for certain they're there is terrifying. There's nothing we can do about it either. I've tried for like 2 years to figure out Bilderberg lists and Mutual Fund ownership and its pretty much impossible.

wew

Im glad that there's others out there that know this. Seeing all the false narratives flaked around no matter the ideology attached to it only further adds to my claims of our society being almost totally manufactured. On a side note I find it funny how Holla Forums is able to almost hit the nail on the head when it comes to conspiracy stuff. They almost have it down but then they try and fit it in their warped narrative and the whole thing just loses all merit and only serves to shroud the truth. Ty for this information though it was very interesting. Anything else you can elaborate on?

also neither the holocaust or holodomor happened.

okok i kid, but the way these historical events are interpreted by pop culture seems weird to me.
The holocaust is treated as something historically unique, like a measuring stick for all other atrocities, and then it's used as a rhetorical tool to justify the actions of neoliberal globalism or the state of israel or something like that. Then, they forbid denying it, which makes doing exactly that the ultimate temptation.

I don't mean for this to devolve into some Holla Forums thread debating holocaust statistics or some shit like that, but it really is fucking weird and certainly related to the functioning of modern capitalism- It's used as a tool to justify the present system we have. A lot of parodies depict american culture as not being able to tell the difference between communism and nazism- the good guy fights 'commie-nazis'.
It sort of implies that any deviation from the present path- soulless global consumerist dystopian shithole- automatically leads to gas chambers and pictures of emaciated children.

Understand I can't endorse this without evidence and it's the first I've heard of it, but I think there's at least circumstantial evidence Holla Forums is being heavily manipulated. Tracking down the HWNDU flag by airplane contacts against flight plans, (really.) bird calls against migration patterns, and position of stars in the sky all without prior information or any hint as to a systematic screening process besides the final land sweep seems implausible at best, as does the "investigation" of antifa agitators with 3/4ths of their faces covered in a few frames of video which rapidly reveals names, pictures, professional affiliations, and so on. Rather than suspicions of what other actors closer to the cases themselves may be involved, and to what end, we see an uncritical belief in the triumph of spooky autism magic and little skepticism of a "we are all-powerful, god is on our side, and god is us" narrative which may be fed by these outside actors and seems poised to eventually dominate the consciousness of the general public. This aligns rather closely with the Encyclopedia of Marxism's comments on fascism
>8. Voluntarist Ideology: Fascism adopts a certain kind of “voluntarism;” they believe that an act of will, if sufficiently powerful, can make something true. Thus all sorts of ideas about racial inferiority, historical destiny, even physical science, are supported by means of violence, in the belief that they can be made true. It is this sense that Fascism is subjectivist. [emphasis original]
marxists.org/encyclopedia/terms/f/a.htm#fascism

I find it odd how little skepticism and distrust is applied to the narrative itself that these particular institutions and these particular figures are uniquely worthy of skepticism and distrust. Those themselves who purport to provide accountability are not held accountable. How are we to "know" that Trump isn't part of the same "jewish conspiracy" and merely a front to advance it through staging controlled opposition? Holla Forums is quite hostile to these questions, although they're quite consistent with their whole worldview and epistemology in the first place. What this reveals is a cultivated tendency towards political analysis by means of wishful thinking, especially in tandem with observation of the "meme magic got him elected" narrative and the above comments on subjectivism. This, and apparent identification of an immaterial enemy, should certainly feed which is an otherwise baffling observation about mainstream right-libertarian currents rejecting the pretense of libertarianism itself, in droves. To defeat the "anti-libertarians" themselves, and not to establish libertarian policy. Just like the political fate of GG –

I think the best way to explain this is a genuine, deep seated conflict within the bourgeoisie on the tactical matters of class rule. Different tactics favor different sections, and certain sections disagree with others on the matter of who benefits most from what, and why. I'm a little leery of explaining historical events in terms of warring deep states rather than material forces.

Come on. The bourgeoisie doesn't need to invent facts. They can fit any set of facts to the desired narrative and then treat the two as synonymous. It's all spectacle.
The evidence is overwhelming it happened. But "truth creation" is not a property of the facts themselves. The events and the comprehension of the events are distinct things, much as their political activity is to erase this distinction in the public consciousness to substitute one in for the other.

Just don't believe what people tell you, go research things. Always look for sources that disagree with you, even if it makes you want to vomit. I've read way too much nazi propaganda and weird right wing fringe theories for someone who hates that way of thinking. But, because of that i basically have a good grasp on the fascist psyche and historiography.

OHHH, so it was just an issue with the holocaust INDUSTRY and the way it com modifies genocide and uses it as a cultural and political weapon. Yeah that shit is disgusting.
Yeah, i agree with all this. Its also fascinating how German Jews are the ones who bitch about it but Ostjuden received the worst of it.
One of many, yes.
Yes, and I think that this is projection from a guilty conscience. Considering the unspeakable atrocities committed in SE Asia, the Korean Peninsula and Latin America by the US

yes, Holla Forums is deep-state and led around by old KGB, Tsarist and Nazi propaganda narratives. They also are purposefully blind to white porkies and go out of their way to ignore anything that they do.
i'm a little leery about terms like "material forces" which sounds as spooky to me as the "ether" or "karma". The idea that there is a divide in governance and capital is pretty uncontroversial. There is clearly a conflict of interests between American Security Council, John Bircher, DoD spooks and the NSA, State Dept creeps. It goes back to who sided with who in WW2. Fabians (Cambridge Apostles, Soc Dems) who sided with USSR and Crypto-Fascist Spooks who sided with Nazis. They're even using progressives and crypto-fascists as their foot soldiers

To be frank, it's more like "they were capitalist because the state privately owned the means of production," provided the critique is attempting to demonstrate that the society was actually capitalist rather than subject to the contradictions of international capitalism in the first place. Trotsky for instance shies away from describing the Stalinist USSR as "state capitalist" but rather approaches the matter through the lens of permanent revolution which regards capitalism as an international system subject to constant pressures, through the form of incentives, towards expansion into new product, resource, labor, and commodity markets. It's really a generalization of the understanding of imperialism as international continuation of local bourgeois interests by force against the local bourgeoisie of other nation-states and pre-capitalist societies. As with the Paris commune, Catalonia, and so on which collapsed not under the weight of their own contradictions but by active subversion by foreign powers in the name of bourgeois interests, and those places who resisted this subversion to varying levels of necessity with authoritarian rule or fell to authoritarianism through this justification, we cannot stably cordon ourselves off in some corner of the world and declare capitalism to "not exist" there, without actually solving it on the grand scale.

IF, however, you mean "communist" in the sense of the hypothetical end of history where classes, money, and the state have ceased to exist, rather than "communist" in the sense of the proletariat organized as the ruling class, the existence of bartering is indeed evidence that not all goods and services are freely given and received, so yes. But there's nobody who has ever seriously contended that the former state of affairs has ever been reached, so the point is moot.
It is another equivocal fulcrum that the right relies quite heavily upon, however, arguing the unsuitability or impracticality of one and proceeding as if it was proven about the other. It's unfortunate that any and all attempts to point out this fallacy as a disingenuous rhetorical sleight of hand is itself perceived as disingenuous.

Here you radically misunderstand Marxist epistemology. "Capitalism" is not a totality, it is not defined as "the current, all-encompassing state of affairs, whatever that may be" but is instead defined objectively as a specific way that the social relationships around production are structured, and then analyzed for its implications for, influences upon, and role in forming "the current, all-encompassing state of affairs, whatever that may be." This is what we mean by the "materialist conception of history." The totality can only be studied and comprehended in its specific character by looking at the principal factors which demonstrably shape it and how they do so, not by heuristically manipulating this totality itself - as the postmodernists have settled upon in rejecting "meta-narratives" about reality.
This is, unsurprisingly, yet another equivocal fulcrum the right makes use of. For example, if I were to make the definition
>We are said to live in a capitalist society if we inhabit a society of some sort in which capitalism exists
it is clear that the first instance of the word capital* refers to the totality which you describe, i.e. some society itself at large, being the actual phenomena of social organization around production together with those remaining elements of society which they influence and those which they do not, and that the second refers specifically to the manner in which the social relations are structured. So "capitalism" is at times meant as the concept, and at others as societies in which it occurs, but this is always clear from context. Substituting one for the other (see above,) as you have done here, is another unfortunately common use of the same fallacy.

Honestly though most Holla Forumsacks and liberals who come here to argue aren't even aware of their implicit reliance on the argument structure you've provided here, and I commend you for that and for coming to argue in good faith. We appreciate it

Right-wingers have the money to afford shills to keep their narrative in people's faces all the time. They want control over culture, same as the SJWs do. There are a lot of people who are getting really tired of their shit, though.

wew trips of truth.

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Ayy careful there, the shill gambit is a bit of a double-edged rhetorical sword. "My opponent's been paid to disagree with me" can be a bit of a dishonest maneuver.

Nazbols can try to hold it in for only so long.

pls happen

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