simply to counter environmental impact and perhaps a little animal rights thrown in
preachy pretentious veganism is not a thing, supposing moral superiority and whatnot
but trying to encourage people to take a look at how many more resources are used to sustain a meat-eating diet compared to that of a diet more reliant on veggies/grains/nuts is surely not a bad thing
virtual water consumption is very interesting and suggest people read up on it
hopefully this - people who just go 'burn it all down we'll build socialism from the ashes hahaha' are just lazy depressed fuckers who have no idea what the fuck they're doing with their lives or their politics so their proposal is just suicide with less effort on their part
found the vegan
Chase Walker
Liberals
Dylan Martinez
Berniebros or "economic determinists."
Carson Hernandez
Found the liberal.
Ryder James
We have an answer to OP: lifestylists.
Aaron Torres
I'm actually not a vegan, but try to eat centered around an awareness of consumption (like getting stuff locally to get off the tit of the industrial food system, and eating seasonally)
Not sure if you're just shitposting or not
Parker Parker
white people
Anthony Parker
ah, my apologies, let me correct myself in the vein of
found the lifestylist
Jacob Harris
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Brayden Hernandez
Let's be honest, from 1970-2017 it was 'sexist bros' and 'racists'. Liberal idpol has overtaken every modern left movement in the west.
Dominic Long
Assadists and Russiabros.
Jeremiah Price
fpbp
Nathan Anderson
never said that, just said pic related
Joshua Jones
Cops
Those who favor inaction will claim that those who engage in direct action are trying to lure leftists into being arrested, and those who want to do things will accuse those who do not of trying to derail the movement.
Brandon Sanders
Tell me more of this, OP.
Alexander Rogers
How is veganism any different from boycotting Israeli hummus because you want to show support for the Palestinians?
Daniel Kelly
It's more being pragmatic, not really as focused with ethics but point taken
Jacob Reyes
good question, the answer is that there is no difference, they are both utterly pointless attempts to make yourself feel good about being trapped in an amoral machine-society
Leo Smith
Where has self-aggrandizement came in at all to this discussion? You're projecting really hard here. How is inaction and apathy any better? You're not revolting from your armchair right now..what exactly are you doing? I hardly consider it a sacrifice to have altered my die
Lucas Carter
Here's some lifestylist madlibs:
"You've completely misunderstood the goals of __ [boycott/consumption-based activity]. It is not about __ [noble long-term goal] but about recognizing that you, as a ___ [privil3ged identity] contribute to ___ [bad thing], and by opting out of contributing to it, you are thereby __ [PoMo verb] your mind.
The literally roots of all human hierarchy come from animal domestication.
Dylan Hernandez
This has got to be the dumbest criticism I have ever heard
Anthony Peterson
please explain what you meant by this??
Nolan Torres
The difference is that the Palestinians specifically asked everyone to boycott Israel. Animals have never asked humans not to eat them or their eggs/milk.
Grayson Garcia
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Owen Baker
Yes, I'm sure animals are really content with the standards of factory farming
Lincoln Adams
Holla Forums is absolutely retarded now
Nolan Jones
those certainly are a bunch of pdfs that i'm never gonna read because i know perfectly well that they're all repeating at length a fact that i already know which is that industrial meat production is bad. luckily i'm not arguing that industrial meat production is good so no need to autistically screech at me in pdf form
the literal roots of all human hierarchy came from our eeeevil subjugation of plants you enormous baby. even if animals somehow didn't exist we'd still need to defend and organise the distribution of excess grain and seeds and whatever else you people eat
no, some of them are lifestylists too
Justin Smith
The leftcom purge is coming.
Easton Gray
So what exactly are you trying to argue against here, then? The mere discussion of this makes you a lifestylist?
Jackson Brown
Actually, most Palestinians in Palestine have a nuanced view on BDS. They like that Americans and others are educating themselves on the situation, but realize they'll be the ones hurt by boycotts the most sine the bulk of their pitiful economy consists of Israeli companies and dollars.
It would be a much better idea IMHO to go and visit Palestine and spend your money on Palestinian-made goods in the homeland, or to just donate money to anti-Zionist groups like JVP.
John Evans
All the above.
Carson Foster
i don't think he even knows, user
Juan Martin
no i'm arguing against all the people claiming that their special snowflake diets are going to do one single goddamn thing to change how capitalism treats animals.
i'm separately arguing against the further discussion of veganism because shut up shut up shut up i don't fucking care i know and knowing does no good only communism will fix this shut uuuuuuuuuuppp
also yeah there is a 1:1 correlation between people who bring up veganism and useless lifestylists
Elijah Hill
liberal/redditor is the slur of 2017 as an added bonus, we'll also have at least 4 active threads about whether trans are left or not, daily!
Christopher Morales
Sauce?
Xavier Cruz
The only reason you're a vegan is because you live far away from the nearest tasty cheese.
Thomas Reyes
This is the only threat right now. Even tankies are better.
Adrian Allen
also fuck you i always know exactly what i'm arguing even when i lowercase shitpost at 2 am
because if there's one thing that screams 'class struggle' to me, it's thinking really hard about other peoples' genitalia in a non-sexual context. yeah the traptalk can fly away back to reddit or Holla Forums or just anywhere really
Asher Thomas
This tbh.
Imagine how glorious a world without Zionists, mutualists, tankies, TERFs, brosocialists/mananarchists and nazbols would be.
Henry Gomez
that world would be too good for us, we would not deserve it
Benjamin Torres
Probably fascists.
Anthony Rodriguez
THE BEST WAY TO BRING ABOUT COMMUNISM IS TO KEEP BUYING PRODUCTS FROM BUSINESSES WITH SHITTY PRACTICES UNTIL LE REVOLUTION COMMENCES
William Brown
never said that, nor implied it. do you enjoy misrepresenting others or are you just retarded
Wyatt Diaz
All you need to know is, usually when western leftists talk about "the Palestinians" they're only referring to small groups of Palestinian intellectuals (who tend to be wayyyyy to the left of the general Palestinian population), especially those living outside of the OPT (Barghouti lives in Akka for instance).
There are real statistics showing how boycotting Israeli goods does more harm than good for the Palestinians in the long-term since, again, most of them are in such shitty situations that their only options are to work for Israelis (including on the settlements). Again, if helping the Palestinians is your main concern, it would be better to just visit Palestine and spend all your savings there, rather than walking into a Trader Joe's and dumping Israeli hummus on the floor.
Ryder Walker
Holla Forums
Josiah Myers
spoken like someone who has obviously never dumped israeli hummus on the floor of a trader joe's and felt their soul ascend to the realm of freedom and touched the face of marx and heard the voice of lenin tell them that they're doing the right thing
Christopher Martinez
That accusation is timeless
Austin Thompson
doesn't this just make a loss for the store in question and by depleting their stock of it prompt them to buy more?
Matthew Bailey
Brocialists
Brayden Myers
Yes, and it also hurts the wage slaves working at the company, because they often get blamed for not dealing with nasty customers properly.
Source: happened to me once.
Austin Harris
That was 2015.
Adrian Turner
both of these points are correct, yes
Alexander Sanchez
gtfo they cool they can fuck off. i stand with gaddafi they cool. btfo sjws. sjws are not real leftist, maybe we should hunt them next? we are comming bucko
maybe we should witchhunt leftcoms?
Jack Brooks
this may be true but the point is to hurt the company's reputation by demonstrating public outcry over its choice of products to carry. shaming companies for carrying apartheid foods has worked in the past (see: south africa).
Benjamin Howard
no, all of our previous witch hunts were correct. we were especially correct to try removing you guys, you are a gigantic fucking embarrassment to both the left and the right
(checked) the active resistance of black south african labour and its centrality to the south african economy was what worked in the past you poor paternalist fool, not a bunch of leftists complaining half a world away
John Foster
This only gets you so far.
I used to work for a retail outlet with an extremely bad record (i.e. swetshops, labor abuses, environmental fuckery, you name it). However people still came in there all the time to buy their stuff, because 1. it was cheap and 2. stylish. Not to mention, had the company lost a shitload of profits due to a large-scale campaign, I would have been out of a job, which would only make me harbor resentment towards the said boycott movement.
There really is no way to be ethical under capitalism. You can attack people for eating Israeli foods all you want, it's not going to help the Palestinians at all nor will it weaken the military relationship between the US and Israel (which is the real source of this entire mess). Virtue signalling isn't politics and a huge problem is that for the past five years leftists have been lead to believe it is politics.
Christian Anderson
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Lincoln Torres
Plus dont forget the best employment possibility a Palestinian has is to work for an Israeli company. Where the wages are very high by comparison.
You are boycotting products made by Palestinians so they cant feed their families, in order to help Palestine.
Eli Watson
That's the other problem: in the case of South Africa, black South Africans on the ground were the ones leading the struggle. In the case of Palestine, most of these international campaigns are behind lead by Palestinian intellectuals who are very far removed from the rest of their people. Did we see Palestinian workers attempt to expropriate the SodaStream factories? No! What we see are a bunch of college kids who treat Palestine as if it is just another form of idpol.
Cameron Roberts
That's why I recommend going over there yourself and directly spending your money on Palestinian-made goods. Don't stop there either, stay and do some kind of Habitat For Humanity type work. Protest the apartheid wall. Direct action will always trump "conscious consumerism".
Ryder Ramirez
But I actually kinda like you guys, you're total bros.
Samuel Howard
I like his font.
Benjamin Richardson
only like 50% of them nigga
im sorry
Asher Long
Where did this happen op, in your head? On reddit? Where exactly?
Lucas Watson
obviosly not Holla Forums since anfem was not mentioned
Isaiah Sanders
We already have one, only this time it's a real enemy.
It's idpol liberals
Ethan Sullivan
THIS
Justin Evans
You're kidding. That is the original.
Ryder Foster
Definitely this.
Wyatt Collins
OP here.
I'm a geezer who has been involved on the far-left for over 10 years. I remember all of this stuff quite well. There were periods of time in 2009-2010 when everyone hated Noam Chomsky for being pro-two state solution in Israel/Palestine. If you were a Chomskyite you were denounced as a "crypto-Zionist".
Then Occupy happened and no one gave a shit about Palestine anymore. Everything seemed very good and we all believed the left would be revived. Of course, this was also the time when the cooperative movement was at its height, and a lot of leftists became very weary of mutualists and market socialists because they came off as very an-cappy. "Coops don't abolish the value-form!!!" I'm no fan of markets, but it got to the point where everyone was accusing each other of being a MarkSoc even for making the point that coops can do some good things.
2013 was when I first heard the term "tankie" and the rest of the year consisted of finger-pointing at other leftists for being tankies. If you disapproved of Obama's drone strikes in Syria you were instantly a tankie. If you said the USSR under Brezhnev wasn't all that bad you were a tankie. If you liked Althusser you were a tankie. And so on (sniff).
2014 was when everyone began accusing every other left-wing woman of being a TERF. TERF-this, TERF-that. Even acknowledging that female oppression is primarily rooted in biological (or perceived biological) makeup got you labeled a TERF. /r/anarchism was notorious for this.
By 2015 everyone was trying to root out "brocialists" and "manarchists". By this point, the left had gone full idpol. This was also at the height of tumblr when everyone decided they were a postmodern academic who could shame others into submission. What a fucking mess that was.
Now thanks to Holla Forums we have a breeding ground for NazBols, and every other left-winger under the age of 25 is accused of having NazBol sympathies.
Liam Robinson
sounds like moslt sjw thing tbh
Lucas Stewart
Wrong And wrong as well
Jackson Edwards
Neoliberals don't count.
Jackson Rivera
I meant to say that it was implied you were an Assadist if you spoke out against US imperialism in Syria.
Camden Martinez
How did I do?
Andrew Edwards
came here to say this
Christopher Brooks
Nihilists, hopefully.
Landon Robinson
Perfect
Adrian Edwards
We must hunt those who do not defend DPRK in their struggle against US imperialism
Ryan Parker
Well, it is the most obvious example of a boycott which all the usual anti-boycott people support.
Nathaniel Ortiz
that's the joke you retardissimo
Adrian Stewart
The left has always been sectarian. All you can do is learn to work around it. Only leddit newfags think certain tendencies should be banned. I think nazbols are spooked as fuck, for example, but they provide meaningful discussion and can handle their banter, which is all that matters. Though it's also funny to watch them BTFO Holla Forums with their own reasoning.
The real issue has always been leddit and Holla Forums trying to subvert the board, because as particularists they have no qualms with being lying hypocrites.
Jacob Ortiz
Most of these groups are right-deviationist, so the new group targeted will be whatever comes off as sympathetic to the right.
Ryder Garcia
Too easy, they don't run when chased.
Ryan Lee
It's already happening.
Joseph Ross
THIS. Everyone not onboard the neolib shill train will be accused of dancing on Putin's strings. "Leftists" are leading the new red scare.
Really activates those soy-almonds
John Richardson
I know a lot of Bernie fanboys who have jumped on the "every leftist I don't like is a Russiaboo" train.
Juan Martin
FPBP
Nathaniel Murphy
No mods, no masters.
Isaac Russell
The election of Trump proved that right wing victories provokes left wing radicalization among the apolitical and left liberals. We must accelerate in order to kill liberalism.
Oliver Smith
The real make-or-break point isn't its effect on leftists, but whether or not it will cause rightists to put their precious cultural spooks on the backburner and work with leftists against neocons in their own class interest. The break between Trump and his supporters over Syria is encouraging, but uncertain.
Elijah Sanchez
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Ryder Carter
The economic situation is completely different. Reagan was part of a larger right wing "counter revolution" against Keynesian thought. Things are not going to get any better unless right wingers suddenly decide to go full leftist (which they won't.)
Landon Howard
Yes, largely by their hand.
Look, for all this board's rightful shitting on succdems the truth is that since the succdem era ended, all but the tiniest spark of class consciousness disappeared in workers.
And it's gonna keep being that way if less leftists politicians are around.
I'mma let you in on a secret: no politician in a liberal democracy has ever done anything they didn't think they could justify to the people somehow. Every liberal democracy politician's aim is to be reelected until they can't run anymore. They won't do something the majority of the people don't like unless they're retards.
Having dumb politicians in your parliament or wherever isn't gonna magically make all those leftists grow out of nowhere. They ain't around. People don't trust them because of 30 years of propaganda.
I swear to god everytime someone with more than 15 employees has to file bankruptcy in europe everyone blames the unions. Everytime, without fail.
Kevin Jackson
That was explicitly neocon, whereas the Trump-era populism is explicitly anti-neocon. Officially, that is, it remains to be seen whether the masses of rightists actually stop allowing themselves to be cucked against the string of neocon betrayals by Trump and his ilk.
Michael Butler
Go home you fuckwit.
Aaron Wood
I can't decide who I hate more out of
Xavier Edwards
Why not just hate them all equally?
Nolan Miller
Spooked.
Noah White
Egoists. Leftcoms actually read and say useful stuff every now and then. Accelerationists are retards, but egoists beat them every time.
William Hill
LeftComms are the least awful.
Sebastian Reed
Accelerationists are semi-ironical memetards, egoists are actual retards. Leftcoms are the only ones that probably read a book in their life.
Levi Gray
Conditions were way different under Reagan than they are today. Most Americans loved Ronnie when he was first elected. Most Americans hate Trump.