ICE CREAM SEXUALITY - BILL NYE THE IDPOL GUY

"shut up loser" is not an argument. Your identity is a terrible basis for political stance or beliefs regardless of how "natural" or manufactured your identity is. If you make the argument you are making you welcome a flood of asinine non-arguments explaining just how innate and natural their identity is as if that's the fucking point.

This. The liberal notion that people were born gay, are biologically gay and will always stay gay is extremely backwards and reactionary.

Nazis are so fucking dumb that their beliefs have to be color coded for them. They can't even rage properly about "homosexual propaganda" and instead take it as "rayce mix.ing" propaganda

Explain

This. There is no heterosexuality and there is no homosexuality. There is only horny.

I am a horny supremacist.

So, Christian sexual reeducation is correct?

"identity" isn't natural dude. Why do we have to have "identities" at all?

nice job, bill.

the amount of pandering in this show is hilarious if you consider the fact that it clearly isn't actually meant for a child audience like the original, and instead just has a celebrity everyone has nostalgia for telling them things they already know. it's lazy as hell but will get all kinds of praise for its 'bravery' despite saying the same surface level socjus issues all of this buzzfeed-type content repeats ad nauseum.

What an asinine question. Identities can be constructed out of anything. The trick to defeating idpol isn't to fight against individual flavors of idpol by arguing how natural they are or not (which would vary depending on definitions of "natural" before you got to any serious discussion on the topic anyway) but by saying (correctly) that any politics based on anything immaterial is pointless at best and subversive at worst.

wew.

Sounds like pure ideology but ok. Idk why you're so fixated on the abstract idea of an 'identity'. Who we are is obviously not best represented by 'identity' at all, its just some made up bullshit. And its this very same made up bullshit that is the core of the reason identity politics came to fruition. Identity is something that drives your ideology up the fucking wall. I don't want to subscribe to it.

You can have your leftism without complaining about identity politics literally anywhere else though.

It's the key issue at the moment.

Maybe if you're a retard who lives online.

Because arguing around the right axioms are absolutely vital when arguing what are fundamentally philosophical points. When you agree to the terms of the debate that "the more natural something is the more correct it is to allow it to shape your ideology or outlook" you're already arguing from a compromised position. This is a big problem on the left where there is a pressure to capitulate to the set narrative of your ideological opponent and hurt your cause from the get.

HAHAHAHA this is like a Holla Forums parody of liberal brainwashing EXCEPT IT'S FUCKING REAL, HOLY SHIT

he says while posting on the gamergate and nazis imageboard

And even with that fact there are still so few actual leftypol users that we were the last board brought back after the hacking. And there is a huge reason for it. So many idiots on here are so against idpol that they push the rest of the left away resulting in all of those who are pushed away going back to their more mainstream hangouts where they are innundated with centrist leftist propaganda.

It wasnt always like that either. We used to be a very diverse board. But this is just another example of Holla Forums coming up with a real asshole plan to fuck with us and us letting them get away with it.

They were openly planning for a very long time how to 'get the left to eat themselves' and welp… They did it… All they had to do was push intersectional idpol memes… And we let them do it.

And every time I try to fix that everyone always just shuts me down and says 'no you are wrong'. The left has far too many fracture points and whereas the right has no real fracture points.

See what I am getting at here? Without some all encompassing, more important than anything else, common purpose the left will continue on its current losing streak. And its not like with the 'reagan era conservative idiots' where they just wanted anticommunist policies… Most of the other side wants us dead. They were recorded chanting about throwing leftists out of helicopters, while beating up leftists, in front of police, and the recording was played on national television, and not only were they not arrested but the internet cheered for them.

We are losing and its because most of the left is too stupid to take a step back and re-examine what is occurring and actually ask why, what are we doing wrong. Instead of just saying 'no we arent doing anything wrong its the evil fascists'

Its breathtakingly short sighted.

The implications go way beyond the internet.
Have you been living under a rock or something?

Some spooky ass shit, nigga

Google "sexual fluidity"

not really and you're also a fucking nerd

you need to go back >>>/tumblr/

I'm on Holla Forums. Sorry I thought this board would care more about leftist politics than having constant idpol bitching threads.

I could count the number of people, including liberals, I have met that genuinely care about idpol the way the Internet does on one hand.

Am fine with sending liberals back to reddit.
I think we are still fine, we just need to stop caring about traps and other BS so much.

Isn't being done with capitalism enough? What more do we need?

We know what the US "left" is doing wrong. It's letting liberals take over.

AND NO! IdPol, Gender, Race and other spooks are not the main problem.
Making them important is the main problem, because you think the US is the world.

can we nuke the US now, please?

disdainful sage

I genuinely believe you are retarded.

Bernie lost because the DNC colluded with Hillary to steal the nomination.

The leaked emails show they were planning bottom of the barrel tactics like campaigning in the bible belt about how he was an atheist or something to that extent.

Hillary gave the working class the biggest "fuck you" by not even bothering to show up in Michigan and Wisconsin. Trump went up there and both of those states turned red for the first time in decades.

My fucking sides, holy shit

NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR 72 GENDERS IN THE REAL WORLD

IF YOU CAMPAIGN ON LGBTBBQ AND TRANSGENDERS YOU WILL STILL LOSE EVEN IF EVERY SINGLE GAY AND TRANS PERSON IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY VOTES FOR YOU.

He could've just stayed that one guy people had fond childhood memories of due to his original show, but no, he had to go full retard. Sad.

Fucking thank you.

When wages are the lowest they've been since the great depression but the only politics people will argue about is IdPol, something is very wrong.

The right wing are arguably falling for it worse than us too.

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Billy should do more science and less politics imo.

And also I think its dumb, this whole thinig. I especially can't stand people who want everyone else to be like them. I'm noticing gay people do this. They love talking about how gay they are and shit and it just gets cringey after a while. I know to some degree its based on insecurity, but its like, ok, your gay, i get it, who fucking cares now shut the fuck up.

The vast majority of those who subscribe to identity politics are not proletarians. The fact is, the proletarians know what issues matter but everyone else is arguing over the murmurs of psychological theory regarding identity.

Psychology, as much as it is important, is ultimately irrelevant to class conflict.

This is one issue that Holla Forums knows quite a bit about. I'm serious, you guys are some of the biggest perverts on Holla Forums, and you know how mutable sexuality is. I'd love to see you go the next step and realize why elements of the left are expanding the victimhood umbrella to eventually include everybody but cis white hetero males.

What will you do when masculine big dick white men go extinct? Save the white whales, fam.

Yeah this place has really gone to shit

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There's nothing funnier than someone saying leftypolers are X on 8ch, like its something endemic to leftism, yet, there's plenty of fucked up shit on other imageboards here i wouldn't dare click on

i admit the whole trap obsession here is stupid or just annoying if your not into it. same for the whole cartoon porn shit, its all dumb, but wow, you have to be kidding me with this sentiment. pure projection on your part m8

Liberals don't jerk off to loli impregnation doujins.

Name one, you fucking pussy.

people fetishizing children, for example. that's pretty fucked up imo

Jesus you guys are fucking awful. IDPOL is the biggest issue. Especially with this vid, it's literally trying to SYNTHESIZE ITSELF WITH SCIENCE, which should be hte most anti-idpol thing ever……

But that's exactly what goes on here.
That's why people are complaining about identity politics.

What do you think is occurring here?
Everywhere else people just blame fascists instead.

Sorry m8, cat's out of the bag on Holla Forums fun. The IP overlaps with the other boards was revealed after the hack.

I've seen workers at graveyards make multiple 500+ post threads about fucking corpses on the job. I've seen dead bodies, shitting dick nipples, animal mutilation, and snuff films.
Quit being such a little baby.
I really think

the point is, people here have tried to defend that kind of stuff here, and i don't think its ever lasted in a thread. there's numerous people that come out to stamp that shit out here and your accusations that the left are 'more degenerate' is laughable

i mean, there was a dude who was in the trump campaign down south who just got busted for cp… so, like i say, you should just stfu with this dumb shit

Didn't Holla Forums have an issue with "age of consent" threads a while back? Sounds like the pot calling the kettle black.

cool, here's a cookie now fuck offf

I wouldn't be surprised. There's plenty of dirty shit far righties are into, and i wouldn't be surprised they have massive pedo problems with how much they fetishize over 'white babies' and 'young pure white women' all the time

Too bad it's supported by scientific evidence.

i think it's because the straight ice cream was also white

The leaks showed a lot of bad stuff but nothing compares to the undeniable statistical evidence for election fraud.

alexanderhiggins.com/stanford-berkley-study-1-77-billion-chance-hillary-won-primary-without-widespread-election-fraud/

I can't imagine being so sheltered that I don't even know that "vanilla" is shorthand for "average heterosexual sex" irl.

Everything's just so fucking bleak. On one side you have a seemingly unstoppable tide of reaction, we might be going back to the 50s as far sexuality is concerned. On the other, we got liberals retreating into self congratulatory infantilising shit like this, in which its all about 'identity' and identity is just a fashion accessory and a commodity. People are supposed to watch Bill Nye's show and feel reassured about being part of a liberal in-group that is in the end powerless bitchy high school clique. The thing that puts me off about this sort of media is how condescending and twee it is, like an inverted version of 50s kids educational stuff. And I'm bi/ mexican not Holla Forums at all. The only thing left for you is to celebrate the commodity while the world around you descends into a living nightmare.

the anxiety of liberal media gets more apparent every day imo. as it gets more and more obvious that the clintonite american left has completely and utterly failed, the media cheerleaders of those in power seem to be in a state of panic over how to paint themselves as both the winning team and the good guys, despite the bleakness of our actual situation staring us all in the face. i mean jfc look at the BLATANT pathology underlying all the russia stuff. it's embarrassing. these people have no idea what to do.

i think this is why we're seeing more 'idpol' issues in these types of programs. it allows them the moral high ground over both the right and far left (or """class essentialists""""), and, because big capital has no issue funding programs such as bill's garbage here, power is able to clothe itself as a supporter of the marginalized, rather than their creator.

but hey, the silver lining is that it at least seems to be falling apart under its own stupidity.

All the trans people I've met irl are pretty left and not at all neoliberals. Turns out liberal identity politics offers only illusory benefits unless you are already part of the ruling class. Nobody is really fooled by this, and the fact it's being used as a bludgeon by a collapsing liberal movement just makes things easier for reactionaries and the right.

Some drawfag get me Salted Carmel x Starberry on the double.

Bill Nye is a literal shill nowadays. Fuck that guy.

think of it this way:

Do you think you could be educated to like the taste of piss?

No, but you're not predisposed to drinking piss, guess what, other people are.

It's still degenerate, and we shouldn't be advocating for the right of piss drinkers to drink piss where ever they like.

You are stupid. Root causes for homosexuality have been found in the physical structure of the brain. Sexual attraction is as real as physical structure.

Can I see the study

You're the kind of faggot who reports any thread that isn't about theory, aren't you?

No you can't because this information is decades fucking old, in every single god damn psychology textbook in existence, and considered common knowledge by anyone with any exposure to academia. Look it up you illiterate mongoloid.

No one is denying that. All I'm saying is that sexuality is fluid and heavily molded by external influences. Liberals do a retarded 180 on the fundamentalist idea that "homosexuality is a choice" and flip it into "homosexuality is an innate permanent condition that external influences cannot change" which is total bullshit.

Surely you can find one paper then?

Friendly reminder that not everything that mentions an identity is "identity politics"

Friendly reminder Bill Nye is now an America political figure

Undiluted Soros-funded liberal cringe. Not for the faint of heart.

Yeah the video is annoying but the reactionaries getting triggered by it are even more annoying

Daily reminder identity politics is good as long as no identity replaces class and reactionary identity politics is bad. There's nothing really wrong with this video either other than that it's a dumbing down of things. I don't see why people here are caught up with a postmodern understanding of sexuality to a point of homophobia towards the identity more than the act. If you're not turned on by girls that doesn't mean you never will be but it also doesn't mean you shouldn't use the label homosexual, it gets the point across.

You Take Those Personal Attacks Back
Label aversion in the left needs to stop. All pansexual says is "I like to have sex with all sorts of genders". It doesn't say that pansexual makes you special. All non-binary says is that your hormone levels and nerve mapping aren't strongly indicative of male or female and you have some degree of uncomfortableness in your body. Same with "dragon soul", it's nerve mapping and false memories (I don't like that term because it's positivist but whatever). I don't know what "sodom and gomorrah orgy with ice cream people" means but quite frankly my newfriend the left is scientific and you are not.

*ron paul gestures* AND WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

I've seen a couple lulzy centrists and even republicans but they're mostly older white trans women.

This

Read: never.

Thank you. It's like we can't converse or theorise about anything relating to race or gender ever because retarded newshits scream IDPOL IDPOL IDPOL at the very mention. What was once a catchy term for the criticism of identities taking the place or importance over class-based political struggle is now a meaningless buzzword.

You idiot. All sexual desire is socially constructed from the ground up.

It is correct if you think that having more homosexuals is a bad thing.

no. never. plz read.

… Yep. Your Ideology is so pure, it creates it's own pseudoscience.

AKA the only reason they have been created to begin with

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true. but, at the same time, whenever we try to have a productive discussion about those things, Holla Forums and idpolers derail the conversation entirely. Also, because we can never discuss it properly, many people don't seem to understand what it means to be against idpol, mainly that it is not about perpetuating or ignoring the oppression of minorities.

the problem with 'identity politics', imo, is the tendency to become a tool for what deleuze called the society of control. It becomes just another way to manage people. The disciplinary societies that existed before the society of control managed people through punishments, ie. jail, while our current society is just one huge controlled environment. Of course, stuff such as trans rights or anti racism are important, but I can't help but feel a little suspicious about the way the whole thing is being framed

cidadeinseguranca.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/deleuze_control.pdf

Some reading comprehension you have, fucktard. All I said was that there was evidence that sexuality can change throughout someone's lifetime. Next time fucking read before you make yourself look like an ass.

In that case, finding a study should very simple, if it's so commonplace, no?

"pansexual" is a meme sexuality that doesn't exist outside dumblr. It's 'bisexual' for snowflakes.

this is so outrageously fucked up, only 1% of the population actually likes this madness right? surely 99% of americans recognise this for the depraved brainwashing it is don't they?

you leftypol cunts should be worried about this, because fun like this is becoming strongly associated with marxism and communism in general, whether rightly or wrongly. lots of those people turning up to the berkley protests to fight antifa were turned by seeing fun like this, and it's only getting worse.

You know it would be more convo convo if you didn't keep getting caught in the word filter. This isn't significant because it contradicts your spooky views on morality. It's just irrelevant and childish, and deserves a response tempered according to its relevance

Fuck that. Diamat and dianat to the dustbin. It is diasex's time I shine.

More convincing*

literally all the media produced by late capitalism tends to be depraved brainwashing. The right merely prefers a slightly different flavor of brainwash. Try critically watching popular right wing media such as Sargon, Stephen Crowder, that McInness cunt, its really fucking stupid and degrading, proto fascist drivel. Even popular normie tv tends to look like an ultraviolent porno with jarringly childish comic book storylines. Corporate media is not made for the benefit of people, but for the marketing of consumer products.

source?

>>>/gulag/

You should have seen the segment where some indian fucker was bitching about white people. I swear some of the things he said were legitimately racist.

The remarkable thing about all this is how tenuous it is. Homosexuality is certainly not genetic- it isn't shared among twins- and it likely isn't congenital- every theory they come up with for why it would be (female hormones in utero, for example) gets debunked.

And yet it's believed almost universally by young people.

Great job guys, idpol is scared now.

>>>Holla Forums

what the fuck is this
it is significant because this turns people away from your side, as i said, rightly or wrongly people attribute drivel like this Nye shit with communism, marxism, feminism, sexual liberation etc. seeing this genuinely turns people away from the left, this is the mud at the bottom of the slippery slope. even in this thread there are apologists acting like this isn't insane and isn't undermining western civilisation and culture.

oh wait, you guys are all for that. traditional morality and sexuality is all just oppression, and that you guys believe that is why seeing stuff like this turns people against you. i don't think you can gain more support as long as your position condones programming like this, regular folk will never back this. they like family, tradition, reasonable morality. a society filled with this can not stand.

yeah i dislike mcinness and crowder as well, just crass douche bags, and i just find sargon boring. i guess the people with the widest appeal just tend to be milk toast douche bags who rely on shock and crude humour. but those people also have appeal because at least they are pointing to stuff that is very clearly insanity, and are saying "hey, wait, that's insane." as long as they have ludicrous stuff like this to point at, they'll keep gaining a wider audience, because they are right.

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how is this "idpol" and how is this related at all to leftist politics? seriously, if you want to complain about shit like this, take it to Holla Forums. fuck off.

I literally corrected it to "convincing" a couple posts down. Contain your ADHD. And no, you don't counter idpol with your own brand of idpol you massive dork.

There is literally nothing wrong with imposed feminization.

YES THERE IS!

from the looks of it, the other ice creams are sexually harrassing vanilla, attempting to pressure him into joining some sort of depraved pansexual orgy.

and he's loving every minute of it. it's the age old meme about homophobes being closet homos. what's making you guys spaz?

It's gay recruitement ZOG Occupied Government-a-ganda, notice how even if you are vanila you definitely have to be gay now and join depraved pansexual orgies with the rest

The only thing this is undermining is the left you sperg.
Capitalism and its "culture" are not going to collapse just because of a few painfully gay cartoons.
If only it were so simple.

You should be glad what a nice liberal distraction this serves actually.
When the cartoons start instructing people to slaughter the bourgeois, be worried then.

You can't make every man bi, or gay, just because you want to.

The problem is "forcing the straight away".

again, the cartoon is joking about homophobes being afraid that maybe they're gay. it's a criticism of homophobes that's almost as old as bill nye if not more. it's a fucking joke. nobody rapes vanilla ice creams.

Middleman here, I don't care what the hell crazy fetishes anyone is into as long as it's consenting.
But when you bring that into politics, I will stay the fuck away from any political party that embraces sexual fetishes or what have you.
If I had to choose between the two extremes, this alone would tip me over to the fascists.

i feel there's a pressure for everyone to be gay just because it's oh so PC and progressive. I have nothing about gays, it's just the smugness of it all that puts me off.

noted :^)

Riiiiight… Only straight men rape women.. RIIIIIGHT!

sure I jerk off to gay porn occasionally, but im convinced the really commited gays are just doing it for virtue signalling brownie points

Lol, so you're saying that idpol determines what politics you follow? Please tell me you don't.

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They rape them to transform them into gay and have a self contradictory progressive message on tv?

No, meant more as a general statement towards Holla Forums
Whatever you guys are trying to accomplish politically will be overshadowed by the company you keep.
The sexuality shit stands out to normies like me, I'm saying if you ever want to be taken seriously in the real world you need to disavow or ignore sexual fetishes instead of embracing.
Just my $.02
for the record I think the world should strive long term for what you guys believe in, but honestly it's looking more like facism first in the short term.

But user.. don't you know you have to try it first to know? Come on… You'll see you'll like it…

Humans are not their ideologies or sexualities.
Being gay or woman doesn't mean you cannot force someone to have sex with you.

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Well… there are ways…

Also, the sexuality thing is only triggered by pol or reddit here.

no i don't and neither does the person who made the cartoon

who said anything about that? i said that literally nobody in the world is doing what the cartoon portrays because the cartoon is a cartoon.

I underestimated the Holla Forums subversion on this board. Now it's nothing but Holla Forumsyps rarely discussing leftist politics and instead constantly bitching about idpolers and advocating accelerationism.

Maybe we should make it clearer that we're not liberals, but there's only so much "liberals get the bullet, too" spraypaint a place can handle.

yeah i saw that, was just wondering how you managed that particular fuck up
lel did you just call family, tradition and reasonable morality idpol?

the death of traditional morality, sexuality, family, religion and marriage isn't undermining western civilisation?
it's not a few cartoons, this is the mainstream view pushed on big networks by famous people, we've been on the road to this as the dominant ideology for decades.
why would i be worried, i'm low-class. i think all the upper-middle class whites in antifa, and all the degenerates peddling shlock like in the OP should be the ones worried if we get to that point.
only it's never going to happen, regular people are ever increasingly being disgusted and turned right by this propaganda, by what they're seeing from antifa in berkley, amongst other things. the "bourgeois" aren't going to be slaughtered, commies are going to be purged. which is what i'm telling you, you lot should be purging this horrific fun from your ranks, it's co-opting and corrupting and destroying you. as long as you have obese trans-racial otherkin faggots loud and proud among you, you'll never get anywhere.

Yes, the world is not ran by the chans whether Holla Forums believes it or not.

While anecdotal, the perception is the more to the left of the political spectrum the more you are 'open' to sexual fetishes.
The vast majority of college students that identify with your political beliefs also loudly identify with some type of sexual identity thing or whatever.
Again, I don't care what consenting people do, but in real life I've always associated sexual fetishes/beliefs with the communists because of this.

From lurking different boards I can gather that much, and maybe it is the liberals who've overshadowed political beliefs with sexual beliefs. But I've never seen or heard of a /lefty/ disavow or steer away from the loud sexual belief people. Because from the outside looking in, honestly that sexual shit is what I thought 90% of you guys were fighting for.

No one would dispute that. I'm disputing that you're a normie

Hah oh, well you got me there.
Just by posting I've failed the normie test.

being gay is just really lame and pc, gay 'sex' is technically not even sex, but merely a display of tolerance and diversity

Even Holla Forums talks about traps, they just don't have threads about them because they're overmoderated.
>>>/marx/ is pretty much fun free if you really care.
The real problem was that the split between Holla Forums and /leftyb/ failed.

Hey, yeah!
I'm not a pedophile. I'm just a different flavor!

This is why I only date black men and call them the n word while they pound my butt. I feel so naughty being excellent and going against the narrative.

the pic doesnt explain what the big deal is tho

I meant that as an observation to real life not online.
If you go to a lefty rally or meet up you will find an alarming number of 'loudly' dressed homosexual/pansexual/whatever people who would be more suited towards a lbgt parade than a lefty meetup.
My whole point is that in real life the leftist has been taken over and subverted by sexual fetish people.
I'm not saying you need to start hanging gays from trees or anything crazy but there needs to be a serious seperation from sexual identity and political identity because the sexual shit will always overshadow the politics no matter how good your beliefs are.
And you might agree and so might all of Holla Forums but I havn't seen or heard of anyone doing a damn thing about it.

I agree with this 100%, although sometimes rightwingers get vague about what constitutes as fun like painted hair and tattos or whatever.

I think this applies not only to real communist movements but to other stuff like weed legalization and etc… , lifestylists tend to damage their cause with this kind of image.

If the only thing stopping you from having gay sex is how counter culture it is, you might be fucking gay

Having blue hair isn't being loudly dressed as a sexual deviant. It's not like people show up to rallies in bondage gear or something, have you ever seen a pride parade?

Yea, the right is be no means innocent but you have to keep in mind it's not the right you're trying to attract it's the people on the fence who make the difference.
There will always be left and right with their different flavors, but it's the people who don't feel strongly one way or another that decide a nation's politics.
And like you were getting at, it all comes down to perception. As long as the communists/leftist embrace the sexual fetish people they will never sway the fence sitters to their side.
That's it for me. It's late, and I've got essays to write, but glad I could have some coherent conversation.

Wearing rainbows, 'look at me!' clothing/hairstyles, crossdressing men/women, drug addict looking, high school goth looking… etc
If it were a minority of members it wouldn't be worth bringing up, but it's the majority.
It's about perception not about individuality.
You can campaign a great message and really get your beliefs across but when you're standing next to a 6'4" man dressed as a woman screaming in a lispy high pitched voice… no one is going to remember a damn word you say.
See as to why this is important.

reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/67dj54/fake_scientist/

Sexuality isn't innate but it isn't something you choose either.

Unfortunately no. It's just sensationalism for profit. Meanwhile the shit that actually matters, like how our wealth is distributed, remains the same. People are losing their minds over nothing, a little bit of decadence. Traditions come and go, you will survive.

But yeah, we are the ones that need to worry about it, not the right. We have to take back the left from the insanity that is corrupting it. I'm frustrated of waiting for change while these people take all the spotlight for their stupid fetishes. This is not progress, it's bullshitting disguised as progress. The liberals had their chance and fucked us royally, now we have to pick up the pieces.

You wanna know how I know you spend too much time online?

Is there a problem, you buzzkill?

Opposing and discriminating these people is the opposite of what leftists believe in. We're not playing the popularity game here. Our ideas are already the most misunderstood and unpopular in America. If you get so upset at seeing a drag queen that you switch to the fascist side, let's face it, you already were one in the first place.
I fucking hate liberals, idpol, this >>1607858 shit, which is 100% funded and motivated by porky, but as for real workers who happen to be whatever it is they are, I'll stand by them if they stand by me. Big fucking deal if they like anal sex or dress up as women. I'd rather take one of them over a classcuck who doesn't know the meaning of struggle bitching about strawmen online.

what is your explanation for why the percentage of african-americans raised in single parent homes has gone from ~20% to ~70% over the last 80 years? and why this number is rising for everyone? i see the broken family and lack of fathers as being the prime driver of black crime/drug use/delinquency and incaraceration. and i attribute the death of their family to the loss of structured religion, as well as government policies like welfare making things worse. but you're saying that's just sensationalism, so what's your explanation?
no society could survive the death of the family.

it's going to snatch the culture war away from you and hand it to the right, the left went way too far with this insanity. people barely think of marxism as economic anymore, it's all been mired in the cultural shit.

i'm not on the ball with your word filters lel

Certainly not your laughably naive "ideas → culture → action" idea of how humans work. Every single societal issue or question is answered by right wingers by telling people to just change their ideas and culture, as if those things aren't derived from conditions and environment. The Holla Forums-tier "they made rap music to destroy the black family because they listen to it and decide to stop being family men" is so retarded I have no idea how anyone can structure an entire world-view based on that belief.

That's also why you guys are freaking out so much more at the vid in OP while we're just rolling our eyes. Neither of us supports this dumb shit, but you're the only people who could watch that and think that it has literal brainwashing powers.

stirnerites are incredibly simplistic yet can't for the life of them accept the simplest distinctions like man and woman

traps really aren't gay though. sexuality is about appearance, not an objectivityScience! signifier like an element from the perioditc table. if it weren't, porn wouldn't do anything to us because an image of a woman is not a woman. knowing that, going after traps specifically is still sorta gay in the sense that it's about the sexual domination of another man

This thread in a nutshell.

Not really, people living in similar environments can have vastly different cultures. There's no evidence for your determinism.

how about you answer instead of getting smarmy about it lad.
yeah, so the conditions and environment have gotten worse, and african-american culture has deteriorated, even as living standards and wealth have gone up. my explanation is the death of god, religion and traditional morality. rap culture is a symptom that exacerbates the problem, not the root cause itself.
what's your explanation for the death of the black family, and how much of a problem do you think it is please.

more strawman.
kids watch this, teenagers watch this, and adults with the critical thinking of teenagers watch this. obviously it mostly appeals to the people who already got sucked in during the 60's or recently in college, but if this is mainstream culture now you'd be an idiot not to recognise the influence that has. everyday you see this more and more, that has an affect.
also see the shit they're inserting into elementary school, it's ideologically identical and just as retarded and insane.

When we talk about human outcomes we talk about averages, not each separate individual. Weirdly, you guys always participate in this mode of thinking and then accuse us of trying to make everyone a special snowflake.

Talking about averages doesn't explain the vastly different cultures that people who live in similar environments have.

There's only the "as if", and from there on it's beggin the question.

Based on the reaction I've seen from all demographics it mostly appeals to no one. It's just a bad, unentertaining skit regardless of the politics of it.

Not really, and in fact living standards for a lot of people in America has gone down significantly despite the liberal protestations to the contrary. A lot of it comes from job security and other industry concerns that affect everybody, while others are more focused like uneven policing and housing regulation, insufficient infrastructure spending in different communities, and a lackluster effort at enforcing the called integration measures (which ironically are way worse in the "non-racist" north).

People are heavily segregated socioeconomically within the same cities. In each neighborhood the culture, along with the conditions, do not vary significantly.

Muslims living in a european or american neighborhood are more culturally similar to their family back home than to their native neighbours.

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must appeal to someone, it made television, it had an audience, obviously someone thought enough people would watch it for it to be worth funding.

you dont have an explanation for the breakdown of the black family do you. i gave you mine and you knocked them off as unimportant sensationalism, i figured you might have something better.

Black people never had solid economic ground beneath them. When recessions hit they get his disporportionally harder. You can't have a cohesive family when nobody is gainfully employed. Black families have way less wealth than other races, even individuals that find their way out of the ghetto bring their trash mentality with them anyway. They also have no support and maybe supporting many others unlike their white neighbors who have successful siblings/parents/grandparents.

You think Muslims living in America are on average more culturally similar to Muslims in Ethiopia than they are to American Christians? You're delusional.

Shows do poorly all the time. Including Nye's last foray into television, so there's even precedent.

I actually gave several reasons. Maybe I just wasn't specific enough. Restrictive covenants, redlining, and blockbusting specifically within the black community forced blacks into ghettos where predatory lending made home ownership unaffordable. This leads to residential decay including the persistence of old lead paint/pipes which were also not maintained at the same standard as "nicer" (i.e. not black) neighborhoods. Lead paint poisons children which leads to further depressed intelligence and makes children more susceptible to violence and more likely to drop out of already lackluster school systems, which all leads to a shitton of black men in the back of police vans and in prisons. Which is not exactly conducive to a community with good stable familial outcomes.

You believe that people undergo a complete transformation as soon they move to another country. I ask for your evidence of this.

Lol no, your material conditions and environment growing up do not change if you move to a new neighborhood or even country. This is a gradual change, but a noticeable one. That's why I'm sure you spam the PEW research about how muslims all have terrible views all the time but ignore that in the US, for example, muslims are actually more accepting of lgbt and women than evangelicals on average (though based on this convo I'm not sure if you consider that a good or a bad thing).

look at any poll comparing the opinions of muslim immigrants in the west to muslims who grew up in the west.

When did antisemitism become so normal?

Ah, the marxist version of "things be like they do".

More accepting of women? What is this supposed to mean?

Of course muslims can be completely tolerant of those around them in appearance, this however, isn't cultural similarity. People aren't similar only because they aren't at each others throats.

The second and third generations are actually more radical.

when edgy teens on the internet got conned by stormfront into spreading their propaganda "ironically"

Hey I'm the original guy you were talking to

Some of those are pretty good points. I remember hearing some similar arguments before.
Come to think of it, I would say a lot of these messages could have a negative impact on people.
I still don't think it would cause society itself to collapse, but I can see how they could be linked to lower quality of life for the poor in particular. Gives me something to think about.

But at the same time, it's always an problem figuring out where liberal co-opting ends and the alt-right shilling begins. I can understand people being apprehensive about challenging the status quo, but I personally don't want to deify some philosophers from the industrial age either.

and yet they made it. they obviously believe there is an audience for this stuff. if you look what kind of people come out of colleges nowadays it's hard to blame them.

no disagreements with that, minimum wage laws and an over regulated market leading to the loss of blue collared jobs also obviously hit them hard, and the drug war is a complete disaster. ironically many of these things are democrat policy, who blacks exclusively vote for.
there's still the cultural issue though, fewer people are getting married, all people are getting married older, and 50% of the people that do get married end up divorcing. there's an obvious causal affect here as a result of women getting educated, feminism, sexual liberation, and the loss of structured religion. religion used to structure family relations, it created communities that people could rely on, but that's been eroded away at for over a century.

more black kids were raised by both their parents during slavery than are now, the leading cause of death of african-americans is abortion. i don't get how we can blame poverty for this, everyone was poorer back then but these are the problems now.

this board needs ID's
monogamy is a universal in all human societies for a reason, but it's been ever more pushed to the side in the modern age, and that's catastrophic. the delinquency rates for children raised in broken homes is really telling, if you want a healthy society you need healthy families.

Sorry bro, you come to a place with marxists you're going to get marxist analysis. Surely you have at least that bare minimum level of self-awareness? And of course, the idea that material things are less important than your feelings is infantile and deserving of nothing more than outright dismissal.

Less misogyn.istic views. I was getting around the wordfilter, though I'm sure anyone with the least bit of imagination could imagine what that would entail.

I'm sorry, but the idea that palestinean christians and palestinean muslims have less similar cultures than their respective counterparts in the US is just silly. I guarantee you that all the Abduls in your city are more likely to be sitting around listening to Drake than to Rami Yacoub.

Kill yourself. Ephebophobia has no place here or anywhere else that isn't named Reddit.

Strongly disagree. Why is it you believe that marriage outcomes are the root cause as opposed to another symptom of the kinds of problems I described? It's pretty well-known that more stable environments lead people to more readily marry. People in prisons don't want to get married. Lead poisoned people are less stable and less likely to get married. Young women (and men) who grew up knowing only irresponsible and irrational role models turn to the only things they see as "in their control" and lean towards crime and erratic lifestyles less conducive to marriage. Funnily enough, this isn't even a purely black phenomena as even white families are having declining rates of stable marriage over the past couple decades.

Nothing ironic about it. The only differences on a large scale between the democrats and the republicans are largely cosmetic. You put in a republican and they're more brazen about some things and more aroused by the idea of increased policing (that does fuck all). You put a democrat in there and they virtue signal about all the great woke shit they'll do, but they're just instituting sneakier "republican" policies. In my own city a significant portion of the so-called democrats do almost nothing but try to shove through privatization legislation for the schools/prisons/infrastructure while being in bed with the corporations running the town. And the republicans in town are their first or second cousins once removed, but occasionally they get on a stage together to pretend they really disagree. It's all a joke and a shameless scam.

We don't live in pure 2D, user.

I come from Holla Forums

We have ovens for you and your coveted Bill Nye.

nobody here covets him

If only you could read as well as you can LARP and realize no one likes him here either.

I know science me. Stuff is real, and marxists believe stuff is real, and they call this materialism, so by saying that something is material it is true because stuff is real.

This could mean a whole lot. If we take the given definition of muhsogyny by feminists, islam certainly is muhsogynistic, but then there's the contradiction of the coalition agaist whitey falling apart using this definition, so it is stretched to make islam the most feminist religion there is.

You could be wrong, you could be right, I'm not going to wriggle my way through the linguistic hoops of leftism in an effort to have them keep have their ownership of the good words and the bad words as to not upset the ideology.

There we have it, Holla Forums really is just a bunch of boys in the hood because they listen to moonman dropping his sick rhymes. You people are so superficial.

Do you have an actual critique of materialism other than "lol that's marxist"? Because that's certainly more tautological than what I said despite your implications.

Spending too much time in college sounds more like it.

Suffer not the commie to live, you and Bill Nye are the same.

You shall be purged. NacSoc shall reign supreme.

The critique I have of materialism is that of the leap from "there's stuff" to "marxists talk about stuff so they're correct".

this is like nazbol level autism here, only it's genuine.

No one has ever described materialism that way. Kindly refer me to this analysis.

It's the practical use of "materialism", that the official version is different speaks for itself.

Your critique is that marxists use it and you disagree with it and therefore it's wrong. Forgive me if I'm not wowed by your devastating critique

Holla Forums's guy

More like

Do you really want to talk candidate betrayals? How's your neocon daddy doing?

My critique is that there is never any evidence for it's propositions, just a signal to marxism.

Holla Forums : >"Idpol is bad because it distracts from the real isues!"

Your own axioms are not based on evidence, nor would you ever hold yourself to that standard. Not only is your critique baseless, it's laughably misguided in its basic assumptions.

Never said oppose or discriminate, just not embrace. All the sexual identity shit should be on the backburner instead of the forefront.
And your movement is misunderstood due in part to your fear of discrimination against of gender confused/homosexual people.
If you don't understand the necessity of convincing the middle ground folk then you will never be successful.
If you try by force without the fencesitter support, even the liberals will be quick to put you down.
By promoting feminism and lbgt you've inadvertenly sidetracked your own party.

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That video comments on youtube are…just as one would expect tbh.

Also Gender Accelerationism when?

It's not "A FUCKING STUDY" you braindead cunt. It's literally every psychologist and neuroscientist just saying "we don't give a shit, you're born that way, it's not something we even need to study, kind of like mental illness, but it's not an illness because it doesn't damage your everyday life, and we don't care if it makes conservatives say 'ewww'". Fucking kill yourself.

Uhhhhhhhh you know Bernie Sanders said from the very beginning of that race that he would endorse Clinton if he lost, right? Politics is a game, do you expect him to not play it?

Citation fucking needed.

Here. Watch this.
dailymotion.com/video/x222wl0_do-communists-have-better-sex_shortfilms

Sexual fetishes are a result of capitalistic alienation and sexual repression.

Those videos made me cringe hard but then reading all those triggered comments brought a smile to my face.

This man, that never existed, never actually did everything he could.

youtube.com/watch?v=l0-mUbGklqU

And bourgeois struggle against the capitalists as well, since gay men who get into weird sex shit tend to be successful bourgies.

Wut?
You mean like the man who wrestles with himself, monty python sketch?

youtube.com/watch?v=0-9qZ4Zs6Ys

This is so far from the truth. People on the rest of the internet are driven away from other left online communities by their retarted idpol and come here. Holla Forums is probably in the top 3 larges leftist online communities despite the inaccessible nature of imageboards and the difficulty for newfags to find an obscure website not listed on google. If /r/socialism had the same culture and moderation as Holla Forums half the website would be converted to socialism by now.

Also,
stop pretending you are anything more then a newfag fresh off the boat from reddit. If you don't like the anti-idpol stance on Holla Forums then you can fuck off back there.

I won't argue with that, the evidence seems overwhelmingly true in this aspect.
BUT not embracing =/= repression
You can acknowledge these things and accept them without openly supporting them.
My point being is that these things exist and that's fine, but when you openly endorse them on a political platform then it becomes part of your political identity.
For instance, if you constantly support transexuals your worker's party will start to transition into the transexual party.
Don't discriminate and acknowledge appropriately, but don't support or embrace is what I'm saying.

Daily reminder that you're still a Puerto Mierda nigger and this is never going to change until you lose that trip and drop the idpol, you retarded faggot redditard.

Have you ever noticed that since the great recession in 2008 the same problem that were always attributed to Afro-American culture (absent fathers, drug addiction/alcoholism, dependence on welfare, criminality) have started to afflict white working class communities as well? We now have people like JD Vance writing high-profile books (see Hillbilly Elegy) about these problems. In both white and black America they are said to result from a d*generate culture when really they result from economic privation and joblessness.

These problems largely didn't effect the White Community until de-industralization and the financial crisis caught up with them. Economic privation causes cultural problems not the other way around. The ruling class and their ideologists just make great effort to try and always explain poverty as resulting from cultural deficiency because they can't acknowledge that it is a necessary part of a capitalist economic system.

If you wan't to end the cultural pathologies present in minority communities (and increasingly in poor white communities) start by recognizing they result from poverty and that this poverty is a necessary part of Capitalism.

These people need to be put up against the wall.

Where is the argument Mr. Madpants?

Giving new meaning to commodity fetishism.

You realize the bourgeoisie and the capitalists are not the same class, right?

lmao read a book kid

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation#Twin_studies
There's obviously a genetic or epigenetic influence here, otherwise we'd expect P(gay|gay sibling)=P(gay)

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The video was really cringey and weird, but gender and sexuality are not learned behaviors. All these Holla Forums newfags and classcucks don't even know why idpol is bad. Idpol serves to divide. On the right, that means racism, nationalism, sexism etc. On the​ left, it's when you let things like race and sexuality get in the way of class politics. That doesn't mean racism isn't important and sexism doesn't happen. Both of those things need to be addressed. But when we put racism and sexism, which are tools porky uses, before class politics, we let porky continue raping us all. Racism and sexism would be a lot easier to address were we to get rid of capitalism and establish democratic organizations in our everyday lives.

Not just that, but racism, sexism, and all other identarian strife are bought-and-paid-for products of class rule. It's impossible to "abolish" them without making them obsolete, and it's impossible to make them obsolete without overturning capitalism.
It's the classic materialism vs idealism question all over again. Ultimately we have to say either that oppression of socially defined groups presupposes that of objectively defined ones, or vice versa. Idpol is toxic not because it "serves to divide," but because it reverses the true nature of things and obscures the real mechanics of class rule, producing wholly ineffectual "activism," controlled opposition that need not actually be controlled as the basis for its activity has already rendered it ineffectual.

what in the fuck

I don't want to live in this planet anymore.

Also, I don't give a shit about the ice cream sketch. It could be used to attack racism with a few touches anyway.

Unironically this tbh

Immolate yourself, faggot. This is coming from a bisexual anarchist.

Does this b8 require a paid subscription?

Mr. Dubtrips, you noticed that it's a video mocking him, right?

People do not choose to be gay, straight, lesbian, or transgender. If you believe otherwise, try choosing to be gay and see what happens.

t. Chad Thundercock

learned =/= freely chosen
You can be abused for years and develop deeply maladaptive ways of dealing with the world and others in it, where you clearly haven't chosen the latter. And so on.

I actually kind of wish I was straight just so I could go suck cock or get fucked while super not into it and get off on the degradation of it all. Forced bi is hot af fam

Wait wait so do qt nervous betafags actually turn prisongay because they can't get with women? I thought that was just a meme

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LOL some butthurt reactionary banned me for my other post. And I got my ban appeal denied. What do you expect. Rule #1 of moderating an online community is you ban people when they break a rule and no other time, especially not "turn down the idpol". If you need to ban people outside of that you need more rules.

do you ever notice that nobody ever concurs with you? do you ever notice that your posts go totally ignored while everyone else responds to me normally? do you ever notice the silent disdain that everyone else in this community has for you? when you contribute something to the left that isn't whining at me because i think the superstructure of bigotry won't vanish because the base of hierarchy does come at me, but in the meantime you can start by figuring out who does and doesn't come from reddit. hint: i've been here since 2013 and you've been here since 2016 and you've stopped visiting entirely except to pop on and call me a newfag and too young and an SJW so maybe senpai will respond and you can pretend that I'm mad and that you have a 17 year old online boyfriend so you have SOMETHING in your life. Get schooled you boring pathetic lowlife nerd, oh wait can't do that because the cartels shot it up, so much for Puerto Mierda ya fucking loser, Puerto Rico greattst countrey and go kill yourself.

don't lie user you like the second picture way more than the first one.

when will you finally get it in your skulls how much Hitler would've hated waifu culture

t. positivist

I'll agree with you that the term is mostly unnecessary, I see it as a certification that you're not a trans/nb-phobe like some bisexual people are. More of a "why not" than a "why".

Oh no don't get me wrong, we are and should remain wary of idpol as a whole because it's used to replace class politics. Before the Cold War the Democratic Party was generally revolutionary, post Cold War there were almost no differences between them and the Republicans especially in the Eisenhower era (I'd say, ironically, that the main one was that the Democrats knew how to balance a budget) until the Civil Rights Movement happened and Democrats found their niche. You know why right? Reaction to the "threat" of Russia. Long story short Embrace with caution.

Shit
My point was there's a variety of factors that cause someone to become gay that we already know about that would explain the correlation in between twins and homosexuality, not to mention twins often see each other in varying levels of nudity. The whole Gay Gene thing was invented by eugenicists who wanted to cure it and it's not something we should be considering in modern discourse.

Also fuck BO and mods

Everybody normally called you a fucking idiot idpoler, and did so correctly, you stupid nigger. You'll always be a nigger as long as you continue to be a stupid idpoler faggot. Let go of your niggerness.

Not great enough to teach mierda niggers to use spellcheck. :^)

Whats so bad about identity politics why do you guys want to deny people the right to express themselves as they wish and demand justice for their kind?

you will NEVER EVER be white no matter how hard you try
greattst countrey is a meme you fucking dip

No.
Nobody here thinks it should be illegal to say Offensive Things unless that's like a call to violence or something that would already be illegal in France or Germany like heiling. We do however think you should probably be a decent person and avoid saying things that you know would offend people in arenas where they would hear them.

Lares, I want to lock up your cock and force you to read theory if you ever want to fap again

Do you have an actual argument orrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

I'm just telling you to stop being a nigger. That doesn't mean you become white.

So you admit you're resorting to memefaggotry instead of just taking off your trip and not advocating for idpol. Correct, you'll always be a nigger.

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I don't give a shit whether sexuality is innate or not
Why does it even matter

t. triggered nigger.

You can't be this dumb

Top fucking kek.

Yeah. You have no idea what you're doing.

Huh. Seems almost like we could control for environmental factors and get a sense of the relative genetic contribution by comparing identical and fraternal twins. What's that? It's in the first line?
Hmm…

Yeah, it's totally justified to throw a hypothesis out because you don't like who proposed it and why. That's a smart, rational thing to do.

>idpol is alright as long as you don't do "too much" or let it replace class politics, I swear, there's some nonzero amount of an identarian approach to understanding a fundamentally class-based society that isn't diversionary or counterproductive

Dude, as somebody who's liked you from back when you popped up in the US election cyclical, giving us the straight dope on the corporate sale of Puerto Rico, this isn't a good hill to die on.

Moreso even than most idpol, sexual behavior as a field of study is profoundly retarded right now. Scientific inquiry is thrown out the window in favor of blind pseudoscientific political dogma (dogma that isn't even universal among SJWs. Watch episode 3 of Hjernevask, and marvel at the continental European SJW "academic" establishment screeching that faggotry is 100% social without exception, just as autistically as their American counterparts screech the exact opposite), psychological conversion therapy is condemned as universally inhumane for all patients while pharma-surgical "transition" is held up as the unquestionable universal panacea, the counterculture's old rallying cry of knocking down the barrier between the sexes is replaced by a campaign to erect an infinite number of new ones, and the entire issue of sexual minorities as a whole is blown insanely out of proportion to its demographic size or its importance to their lives.

Even though it isn't as threatening in practical political terms, it's seriously on par with young earth creationism or global warming denial in terms of sheer anti-intellectual stubbornness.

The skit OP links is pretty much "whytrumpwon.mp4", the cancer killing leftism, let it go.

They have a basis in reality, and that basis is material conditions and the conflicting material interests of disparate identity groups resulting from the class structure of society. This antagonism is not fundamental to nature, however, but is a product of definite social relations around concrete things like production and can be analyzed as such.
Why would shekelberg need to "keep the wyatt man down, man" when his survival, security, and comfort is guaranteed, independently of his station, by fully automated luxury socialism? Why would you need to pay gibs money when people have guaranteed employment and control of the full product of their labor at worst, or all their needs met by automation at best? Why would blacks resent you for "keeping them down," or whatever, when porky no longer is?
You have to think about which antagonisms are fundamentally solvable, and which are fundamental. What do you think the basis of society and its basic activity are?

Again, there IS such a thing as "white interests," although they do not apply equally to whites of all nations, across all social positions, and the same for every definition of "white" you might use. They exist, they're "real" but they're products of capitalism, and so are racial interests counter to your own. The only way to achieve and secure white interests in perpetuity is to make them and/or the opposing interests obsolete. And that entails changing the fundamental material structure of society.

If anything, it's harder or impossible to explain the full scope of ethnic conflict in history without a materialist analysis. I guess the Bosnian Serbs and Croats are vastly different, incompatible, and just genetically predisposed to violent conflict, yeah? It's been that way throughout all of history…

Probably the best rejoinder to Holla Forums's autism is the history of strife inside Europe. Not just between the (extremely recent) nations of today, but between individual kingdoms, duchies, city-states, and clans.

What once was totally assured accusations of subhumanity and constant waves of brutal ethnic cleansing, has either vanished or been reduced to half-hearted antics only revived for brief sessions of bemused soccer hooliganism.

Your opinion should be party dogma.

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Liberals reeeeeeeee

We REALLY need some gulags

No. Gulags were an awful part of Russia's history and were basically slavery.