"Feminism will fix all of mens issues"
"asking for rights for men is worse than the rise of fascism"
"not enough women billionaires"
"Communism can't fix sexism!"
Why is this pathological liberal bullshit so much more successful than anything on the left?
Cause it's got porky's support.
The thing is third-wave feminism is actually totally unsuccessful. It makes a lot of noise and has a lot of cultural power, but when it comes to actually improving Women's lives its done very little.
This is because the actual things that would improve Women's lives (maternity leave, child subsidies, state daycare, single payer healthcare) would cut into Capitalist profits. The only "victories" the have won are consciousness raising and cultural representation which has a very small impact on Women lives. The only thing that could conceivably be considered a real material victory is more Women's representation in the oppressor class but this benefits a muh privileged few.
Feminism (if it really aims to improve Women's lives) can only be successful when it confronts porky, the current iteration doesn't do that at all and shouldn't really be considered successful.
Also as much as porky loves to whine about "not a zero-sum game!" there are limited spots at the top and you must knock someone back down to get it.
What do you mean? Beyonce gets to run sweatshops now! You mean to tell me this hasn't improved the lives of working class women?! What about my snarky Beyonce gifs on Twitter???
if you don't like beyonce you're holding back her market shares
It's an academic-bourgeois ideology and therefore it has a lot of representation in the media and education sec.
Plus it's partially backed by capitalists because they want to promote carrierism for women to increadse competition of human capital.
Last but not least idpol has long tradition in the US because it's a mechanism to shadow class issues.
I would literally strangle any bitch that said this to me IRL provided I was properly inebriated.
It's also the fact that supporting idpol requires literally no effort on the part of the supporter. Whereas being a real leftist you have to organize and shit.
You're just as bad.
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MRAs are right about family law in western countries. They are wrong on just about everything else though.
Men's Rights activists have legitimate grievances
- Male suicide epidemic
- Men die earlier than women
- Men have the most dangerous jobs
- When men want to talk about their problems, they are told "Suck it up! Man up! Stop being such a pussy! Stop whining! Boys don't cry!"
- Men are valued based on their utility as human doings. Men are not valued as human beings like women are.
- Men's health issues are given far less financial support than women's health issues
- Almost no men's shelters. Tons of women's shelters.
- Boys are falling behind in school, college, etc.
- Unemployment hits men the hardest
- The Opiate overdose epidemic (often tied with the suicide epidemic)
These problems are either due to capitalism, or meaningless expressions of personal anxiety. I would say the same of any feminist grievances.
This guy get it
Micronationalism a shit
The difference is women can get help easier if they ask for it.
People are trying their best to get women into science more for example.
Hell lets not talk about police and how men are treated there compared to women (can be part their fault as well depending on how we act but still).
They aren't "trying" anything, it's slacktivism for bourgeois first worlders trying to improve their personal reputations. The culture war is a farce.
Yea I see these sorts of events all the time. "Get women in science career day" and Women's STEM Scholarship. What's funny is it's almost condescending.
No 'almost' about it
true its not almost condescending, it is condescending. But for some reason its not perceived that way, instead its seen as "empowering"
I dunno, but it's managed to make me quietly apathetic to the idea of women's rights being rolled back where once it would've outraged me on principle. I'm not nasty enough to outright advocate it, but I mean, if I was in a hung parliament situation and I could get my industrial policy passed by allowing sex discrimination to appease old-school Conservatives or something… Suffice to say, my policy is getting through.
(Admittedly this is in concert with data that showed that until ~2005, women have consistently preferred the Conservative party and that every British government from 1945 to 1992 or so would've been Labour but for women's suffrage.)
Naturally in broader anti-capitalist terms I put this aside because it would be a ridiculous kind of compromise to make and my apathy being anything more than apathy, representing any kind of compromise-route would become a form of idpol unto itself. Socialism, not Brocialism - but in reformist terms, Brocial Democracy > some kind of portmanteau of "Female" and "Liberalism" or something I don't know pay someone else to do it.
tbf this is in large part down to Men to begin with. (Though obviously when you take 50% of the population either way, what it really means is a sub-grouping.)
Because in short, men want to fuck women. They have inherent value just for having an orifice, particularly in a society still vaguely dominated by men in a less overt way than before. To a large extent I would apply similar things to how people appear to care about women when they're sad: It's ultimately an illusory care, built either on female social structure or on some guy desperate to get his dick wet. (or acting on impulses that ultimately go back to "he wants his dick wet" even if he doesn't actually want to fuck this one girl.)
in these terms the entirety of humanity quickly becomes quite contemptible. society would be less ridiculous if it was built on a silly principle like "people love alcohol" over "people like to fuck"
tl;dr all of humanity stop liking what i don't like.
jesus christ reddit newfaggotry is fucking leaking again
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Western feminism is nothing but upper class white women screeching that there arent enough women ceo's and college feminists screeching because a video game character is more attractive than them.
There is a class divide in feminism i have never seen any woman ever address.
This is why they were so shocked when white women from middle america voted trump, turns out they are more worried about how they are going to feed their kids than the aspirations of corporate grandma.
Capitalism has pretty much absorbed and commdified feminism to the point it is no longer a threat and used as way to sell products and make corporations seem less evil.
I think MRA's do have some points about all the child support divorce nonsense, but im a neet virgin retard who has never got laid so i dont really care to intently on relationship issues, and besides my self esteem resides in the 9th circle of hell and i always blame myself rather than others.
I dont like when feminist treat masculinity as an absolute evil instead of just a flawed sexuality.
They use words like toxic masculinity, that word toxic, its so passive aggressive, you arent going to turn a lot of men using words like that.
There are benefits to masculinity and femininity
What did clintons win even mean to these women?
That a woman would now be the corporate puppet, the war monger, the "leader".
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these "problems" might be real, but MRAs are still shit
the Nazis faced very real problems, but in a mystified way. same happens to MRAs, replace Jews for feminist academia or whatever the fuck these niggas whine about today.
Go back to /pol retard.
The only "victories" are blokes in dresses and so-called male allies calling women "TERFS", "cis" and "white feminists" :^)
The third-wave is revisionism par excellence.
I am shocked, shocked!
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It absolutely is. If you actually listen to what feminists say about what keeps women out of STEM, their theory boils doen to a genetic inability on the part of women–human nature. Of course, then they will complain that STEM is wrong for being based in how they claim that men think, but the supposed problem is still framed in exactly the same way that mysogynists frame it. Women just can't think like that. It is profoundly insulting and paternalistic if you think about it.
Because some people don't understand base -> super structure.
tbf TERFism is cuntery of the highest order.
my more conspiratorially minded side of the brain thinks it basically amounts to trying to lock "men" out of the muh privileged position they want to carve for themselves in capitalism, as opposed to do anything particularly radical vis-a-vis gender as a whole, adopting a completely reactionary position on trans* people out of man-hatred.
Nah that's a loss on the part of feminism too.
Feminists just switched from going after people post-transition to trying to prevent transition in the first place. Get the medical aspects classified as elective to throw up financial barriers, gaslighting people into 'non-binary' identities that don't threaten their precious fucking notions of gender,l tricking the public into thinking that NBs and trans are the same thing to keep people in the dark. Hell they even stood by silently as liberal politicians made alliances with explicit TERFs like Raymond and Steinem.
This is one of the problems with feminism as it exists as a movement in society.
People who like feminism and think of themselves as feminists tend to automatically support anyone who calls themselves 'feminist' and accept anything called 'feminism.' So malignant fucks get listened to and their ideas gain some traction even if most people arent explicitly advocating for the very most heinous shit.
Young teenagers have a different sleep rhythm than younger children or adults. They have trouble waking up early. This is not due to partying, it is a biologically determined phase of your life. Teenage boys have even more trouble waking up early than girls. This translates into problems with keeping up attention at school. A shift in when school starts for teens would deal with this problem. This has been known since at least the 1970s. And according to you, this is due to… capitalism. Great explanation. Or is that other thing, a meaningless expression of personal anxiety?
The gap between the average male and female lifespan is different in different countries. Would you say that this is due to different amounts of capitalism in these countries? What nonsense.
Never seen on TV, you mean. Let's call the farce with muh womynz in the top 100 CEO positions what it is: trickle-down feminism.
Women are extremely vulnerable during pregnancy and when they have a young child that can't be left alone. Any feminism worth its salt must deal with that, so that you aren't economically dependent on the whims of another individual in that situation. We need some memorable acronym that spells this out, and put that in front of the word feminism to distinguish it from the other.
capitalism→pro sports broadcasts→high value placed on youth sports(especially with capitalist rationale like 'muh comptetiton' or other things)→sports practice at school, cant be too late→ school is too early
capitalism!
nah though you're not wrong. having to get up that early made high school at least 30% more hellish.
t. HS dropout.
The enthusiastic promotion of women CEOs/Women in STEM/Woman bank executives is starting to look like a form of capitalist social engineering. Participation within capitalism is being equated with liberation and 'progress', regardless of how precarious, unrewarding or ethically dubious it actually is. Multinational Corporations, once universally derided, have rebranded themselves as unimpeachable instruments of 'progress' and social change. 'Feminism' became omnipresent as an ideology at the cost of becoming utterly meaningless. 'Empowerment' is not even about what an individual really wants to do or even finds enjoyable, but about rebranding acts of consumption as moral and political statements
That has always been the case. For a good laugh, look up how freed female slaves reacted to feminist demands that they be given jobs after the Civil War. They knew what slavery looked like.
Probably a legitimate grievance, but driven by pressure of success in a hyper-competitive capitalist system
Basically just shitty health issues, not really much of a problem desu since its around 5 years either way
Essentially the same as 1
Literally just an example of the dominance of the preferable narrative of the ruling class, also a non-issue
Bullshit spooky non-issue, also probably false
True, that's an issue
Also an issue, largely based on perceptions influenced by porky's narrative
This is somewhat of an issue, reflecting a shift in education which should be corrected
Same as the first point
Essentially a product of relative poverty, caused by wealth accumulation
Without female and minority porkies they'd risk all the women or all the ethnics uniting against them.
Representation idpol is just a useful way to reinforce the system.