Why is american antifa so shit?

why is american antifa so shit?

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because I'm not helping them out atm but will

Because they don't lift and think they can get people on their side by destroying anything other than a Bank of America window.

Also

depends on the image you cherrypick. they managed to entirely shutdown the rally in Philly.

You're supposed to destroy houses and break jaws

no. not really. we're anarchists we're supposed to do whatever we want.

would be of help tbh

nice strawman, but that has nothing to do with antifascism

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they do both

They're developing, give it a few years.

Anarchism is codeword for edgy liberalism

They're degenerates, spoiled middle class kids LARPING revolutionaries

kind of like most of this board

all modern life is LARP

there is nothing authentic, not even death

Bitch.
you said
Houses of normal proletarian people. I don't give a fuck. Destroy the jaws of Trumpists? I'm already up for that 24/7

I would never attack the proletarian just cause because I have nothing to gain from them. What you say Anarchists should do they're doing it. They're getting arrested for it even. So yes AntiFa is ballsy, could be better but most are afraid of jail which is understandable. They're young.

You're right. I'm going to keep LARP punching neo-nazis in the face dude..

Can we filter LARPING to 'leaving their house' or something

ask the moderation thread, it's a good idea.

because American lefties are the biggest pussies on the planet


this
they've all got daddies setting up their trustfunds for their 401K
European far-right groups would literally eat American antifa

they have a fucking tantrum and destroy private property, not all of it owned by multinational corporations
breaking someones jaw? what does that accomplish? you just piss them off and turn public opinion against you
why throw a punch when you wont finish it?
dont start a fight unless you're prepared to actually kill someone

Dude you're so hardcore, I wish I could be badass like you

You don't have to specify American lefties. Burgers in general do everything worse. Even Trump is a severely more retarded version of his European counterparts.

European far left would kick Clapistan antifa then the European far right

I'll put a diaper on you if you'd like

why throw a punch when you wont finish it?

not if public opinion is in favor of punching their jaw, moron.


fascist organization isnt worth being angry about? and attacking anything other than multinational corporations is strongly advised against and doesn't happen most of the time

Private property is theft
Throwing a punch IS finishing it

yeah
Trump is putting through Obama's immigration ban plan and the left in America is rolling around on the floor screaming until their face turns blue
Meanwhile in Hungary they're calling for the Nazi camps to be reopened and for the muslims to be interned there
to calls of raucous applause of millions


oh please
European antifa gangrapes women and kicks them into a coma for wearing 'offensive jewelry'
there are far-right groups in Germany who abduct turks and drill holes into the backs of their skulls with pneumatic drills


but public opinion isnt
a small vocal minority believes in the cause
the rest see a weedy vegan sperging out and planting one on a guy talking to a reporter


rationalise that to a normie
explain to them why its ok that Uncle Bob should be beaten to death by an angry mob and his coffee shop burned down because its not a coop

The chances you will be shot to death in the U.S for doing so is quite high unless it happens in a gun control state.

why should we have to rationalize anything to normies?

because they're the proletariat in all those books you've read genius

Antifa is bourgeois tbh

Normies are petit bourgeois. Only with the guidance of the communist party can we defeat them.

Because they're lemmings who will side with whoever can provide them with their decadent luxuries.

and you intend to get into power how?

fug off pls

It's true, though. Normies will side with porky because he can give them what they want.

Except that's bullshit. Porky can't give people fulfillment, genuine connections to other people and other shit necessary to a sound and happy life. The assessment of people in that pic is absolutely E U P H O R I C and only edgy misanthropes would actually believe that shit

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yeah which is why the normie remains unhappy and confused their entire lives

Socialism doesn't give you those things either, m8. Plus most people do care about material possessions and comfort. You need to read books by people who are more intelligent than whoever the fuck wrote what you read.

Meme the norms out of existence. Their downfall is inevitable.

Read Marx
Sure, but a lot people have both and are still completely miserable for reasons I've already mentioned.
Literally no u

Marx has been wrong about nearly everything, m8. A perfect example of a write whose limited intelligence hindered his judgment.
Living in a decentralized society plagued with inefficiency and chaos would be much worse.

lol so you're saying neither capitalism nor communism can provide the social connections and stability that humans need to be emotionally sound and not neurotic modernist messes…and that the best thing to do is read some author that is considered marginally more intelligent than some author based off of some fluctuating social reputation that means less than the void where humanity used to live.

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Name one (1) such thing, Kulak.

>why is american X shit
Hmm

i absolutely loathe Marx's analysis of culture and history being about capital and nothing else
he oversimplifies and reduces it to an abstract concept to hide the fact he was notoriously historically illiterate and his analysis of history operated within the framework of European history circa 1800+ and his analysis of culture within the framework of a middle class alienated German lapsed jew

LTV. Value is 100% subjective.

Not all that accurate, but even so those people were being exploited less than workers are today because production has become so much more efficient with technology. And about half of America is working poor, so depending on your standards (e.g. the gulf in quality of life between rich and poor), you could argue that people's lives are a lot worse.

Marx and Engels made a point to praise capitalism's success in industrializing the world. Their issue with it is that it stays past its usefulness and becomes a drag on the potential of society.

Sure. Google Murray Bookchin.

Marx never claimed it was objective. It is socially determined.

In other words you have no proofs. Get thee to a gulag.

That doesn't refute LTV you colossal retard.


Go back to /r/socialism. Material conditions =/= "capital."

same thing
he believes it isnt impossible to reconcile and destroy different cultures
its idiocy born of naivety
he also appears to not properly understand the power of religious dogma

You think that's retarded, check out the MAGA "march" from my city

They're so outwardly retarded and pathetic that antifa just showed up to snap pics and laugh and then left kind of bewildered

Wasn't because of capitalism either per se. If capitalism hadn't been moderated by social democracy and the worker's movement, the workers would have been kept in abject poverty. It's what we're seeing since 1979: with the collapse of the welfare state, workers rising prosperity has ended, totally decoupled from gross gains in the economy.

Capitalism unchained will always be the same, it will never give anything freely. That takes either collective action or the power of the State.

ftfy

maybe they realised it wouldnt look good to start lobbing bricks at some elderly poor working class dispossessed white Christians

wdhmbt
"The opium of the people" and so forth.

More like it wouldn't be a good look to attack elderly loonies. Those are so clearly not your average christians, even the one guy holding the banner is eyeing them suspiciously

What the fuck are you talking about?

But it does. Labor put into a product that nobody desires doesn't make it valuable. Did your mom huff paint thinner while pregnant?

That's why it's socially necessary labor retard

Read Capital faggot. This is chapter 1.

woah dude, it's almost like Marx's Labour Theory of Value was built on Adam Smith's and they both factor supply and demand.

if you people would only lurk for a half a week or so hundreds of posts would be spared.

Yeah they look a bit evangelical to me

see if the American antifa understand that thats not so bad
in Europe they dont


how did Marx think it would be possible to reconcile islamic and christian working class?
when one still believes one should dominate the other?
obviously that requires the destruction of religion and culture

You literally just heard the name "Labor Theory of Value" and assumed you knew what it meant, didn't you? The point isn't that labor is inherently valuable, but that you need labor to create value.

Idk, looks like a special case of mentally ill to me. I don't think American antifa would be against attacking your typical redhat

when one still believes one should dominate the other?
He didn't? He was pretty happy the US took California from Mexico though.

Seriously just stop posting.

Wtf cult is this? What the fuck is in the water in burgerland?

Everything.

Not what I said. The consumers don't give a shit about what it costs to produce the product. The time and material used to produce something have virtually zero effect on value. If the consumers don't want it, they don't want it. "Muh mudpie" is damage control used by corned lefties who can't come to terms with the fact that Marx was not a very intelligent man by any metric.

a white man in his twenties/thirties with a maga hat yeah they see that as fair game
but doddering old pensioners the American antifa wont attack?
the European antifa does
they attack old men waiting at a bus stop, kick his cane out from beneath him and start stomping his teeth in
they're vicious little cunts


how did Marx think he could reconcile the worlds working class then?
dont tell me he didnt ive read it too many times I know he did

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a lot going on here

I have an example
diamonds

Well I'm also positive I've seen an American old man on the ground blamed on antifa, but now that I think of it I'm pretty sure that turned out to be hilarious friendly fire where another MAGAtard pepper sprayed him by accident

Then I suppose you're fine with me coming over and "reallocating" your computer into my own hands?

confirmed for Holla Forums

Value is how much the consumers are willing to pay for something. If they don't want, or need your product they won't buy it.

That's personal property. These retards are talking about factories and farms.

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dont tell me he didnt ive read it too many times I know he did
Communism was a European project, I don't think he gave a flying fuck what happened in the Ottoman Empire or anything beyond it.
The World was just Europe and whoever Britain took as pets until the 20th century.

well obviously not when you ascribe new meanings to the words

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and why not?
communism has spread as an ideology all over the world hasnt it
are you saying its an outdated economic system and its concepts can no longer be applied in the modern era?

price =/= value

yeah but thats pepper spray
im talking more of being hit in the head with a pipe

You retards are still missing the point. See

thats not a new concept
the Optimates of Rome knew this which is why the Plebeian Revolt was so successful and why it scared Roman aristocrats so much

how do you get from there to what the far-right sees it being put into place as?

We reconcile ethnic resentment through solidarity. There's a reason white American protestants don't hate Italians anymore.

The cost of production is also physiologically based. The material, and tools are only valuable if they are wanted, or needed.
Money cost is merely and avatar for value. You can't see UV rays, but you know they're real because they burn your skin.

Because they were backwater places without any higher culture or industrial output? Because he didn't speak their language or give a shit about their living conditions?
I don't fucking know. He was pretty racist too.

Yeah, but that's not Marx's problem, it's Lenin's, Che's and Mao's. Marx wouldn't really care if all browns went extinct.

No, you are. with no evidence whatsoever.
Also I don't see how differing cultures and a bigger number of people impact an economic theory at all. Much less so considering how globalised Capitalism has become.
If Smith's plans have successfully been transplanted into the 3rd world why can't Marx's?

Yep, read Capital my dude. You've yet to disagree, maybe you're a communist sleeper cell without knowing.

you need a unifying other factor to get behind first
big reason you can unify an American protestant with an Italian catholic is by reconciling the religious difference which is easy because both christian
then one generation and they're on the same language and believe in your multicultural utopia
islam and christianity are much worse, and culturally arabic and pakistani culture is incompatible with the West

READ THE MANGA

You're missing the point that Karl Marx wasn't a very bright man. Consumer demand drives labor. Why create something if nobody wants it. A tree plantation has value before logging because someone needs wood.

You don't. That's why it's called
SOCIALLY NECESSARY LABOR
see

So you admit that value originates with consumer demand? Thanks for proving that I'm smarter than Marx.

No fucking shit you sperglord. Marx agrees with this. The point is that meeting demand requires labor.

Who gives a shit how intelligent he was? You clearly have no understanding of what he wrote.

No. Labor is necessary to produce anything. Therefore, value can only be created through labor. What is produced is determined by social demand, that's why it's called socially necessary labor, as in labor deemed necessary by a society.

They're a bunch of pussified cunts. They didn't do anything when militia members showed up armed during the Columbus rally.

If you want to put it that way, then ok.

Yeah, you're so smart that you make a bunch of statements in agreement with someone and pat yourself on the back for BTFOing them.

Since reading is obviously difficult for you, watch this video series instead
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and please, don't come back until you do

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so your explanation is because marx was a dumb racist?
no you dont
did you know that Judaism, Islam and to a lesser degree Christianity have inherent economic models?

The argument you think you're having:

The argument you're actually having:

what happens to the labor when society no longer deems it necessary? or when society begins to stagnate?

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Then people stop laboring towards that thing
No. Simply wanting something does not create value. You need labor to actually make that thing, thus labor creates value

Consider american jews, who are even better assimilated than Italians.
This was said about catholicism 100 years ago.

Marx was a very intelligent racist.

Which they don't follow because western-style atheistic capitalist is inherently more efficient and they would be out-competed.

atheistic capitalism*

This is your brain on spooks

Why are they such cowards ;_;
LOL antifa is so pathethic and weak, praise Kek!

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no but if you remove those barriers and reduce them all to one level they will begin to gravitate towards their inherent models


the jews are different they've been mimicking that for millennia
catholicism is a religion
im talking about culture
bacha bazi was practiced by Persian satraps in the region of pakistan 2300 years ago exactly 900 years before islam would enter the region and deem homosexuality illegal
that was 1300 years ago and bacha bazi still continues to this day in Pakistan and Afghanistan


yeah i get that
but where does this labor go when society doesnt need it anymore
does it stop existing?

Italian culture is incompatible with the West. Their preists fuck boys and homosexuality is illegal.

you're equating a cabal of deviants who infiltrated and abused a religious institutions power to commit depraved acts of secret pleasure with a pretend religious law everyone knows but noone actually follows being followed and preached by an entire society

what part of this is hard to comprehend

Because they're a bunch of low-intelligence loser kids with no life who fell for the jewish socialism meme.

It's more than a cabal, my friend. It's their culture. They've been fucking boys since before Rome!

and how does this society evolve and innovate?
when all the food and technology needs are met and labor is required what happens to the labor that developed new technologies through competitive production?

the Latin tribe of Rome are distantly related to the Lombardic Germans you refer to as the Italians
they did not have the same culture

There has probably been more demographic change in Pakistan than Italy over the past 2000 years. Please be consistent.

I'm not going to spoonfeed you the entirety of Kapital. Watch the video series I linked

Read a fucking book jfc

there hasnt
an islamic arabic addition and some mongolian/turkic addition which was later enslaved and slowly endangered through massacre and religious genocide by the native/arabized clans
Pakistan is incredibly consistent in unbroken genealogy because they either through war or thousands of years of slavery and eugenics they have exterminated rival populations in the region

No one fucking cares

its not idpol its them trying to attack a point i made by lying about its history
and pretending it doesnt matter

I know, don't feed his delusion. This kind of person lives his entire life in an autistic chamber of autistic obsession with ethnic histories you won't beat him at his game and even if you do nothing will be gained.

other way around tbh
this place needs ids

Either way, someone is being massively autistic and the other person is feeding into it for no reason. This is a thread about yesterday's MAGA marches and antifa in general, not whatever the fuck ethnic minorities existed in 16th century India or whatever the fuck you guys are on about now

ok ok sorry did go a bit off topic but i was trying to prove my point culture persists and cant be influenced entirely by religion or politics/economics

my original comment
American antifa are huge pussies
and they didnt exist in 16th century India, India is a modern day construct

Good!

you answered your own question m8

america is hopeless, please send nukes our way

You will lose.

I already lost my virginity tbh

One day America will nuke itself. It's one of the reason I still keep on living.

Holla Forums fuck off

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Kill yourself, meatcuck.

I will literally fucking eat you
you're getting minced and fed to your peasant children in sausages

Nothing of value would be lost. 300 million literal retards is what USA is made of.