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Sorry for the long post. Any Brazilian fellas out there? Or anyone with some knowledge about the situation and want to discuss?

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only one road to take now

I follow Greenwald on twitter so I occasionaly get a glimpse into the fuckery thats happening in Brazil. Is there any hope left or are you going to suffer under the worst kind of plutocracy for decades?

You realize that Vice President "Temer" or whoever he was is form the same party as the President? "You should vote for the Worker's Party President because the Worker's Party vice president was bad" sounds like a mighty non-argument.

What does the opposition to the current government look like?

They aren't from the same party.
Temer is from PMDB, Dilma is from PT.
Brazillian politics works through huge and cancerous "alliances".

I can relate


The worker party can maybe win the presidential election in 2018, but even if they do it, I really doubt the congress will support them. Half of the left parties (which are practically non existent here) hates them because of the corruption.


Yes I understand, and you're right. The worker party allied with the Temer's party, to get majority in the congress and to win the election


A bunch of left parties with something about 1/4 in congress I think

Keep killing Nazis in Ukraine!

Free Novorossiya!

Love Brazil!

The logical conclusion of this argument is that the SHITTIER he is, the more the party that elected him will get votes. If people were moved by that argument, politics anywhere would go to shit, because there would be left-wing parties electing right-wing presidents that got more votes the shittier he was.

It would literally be the politics of trash.

Actually PMDB doesn't define it's standing, it's always supporting the major party at the time. The major party always need they support to win. Right now they're allied with a right-wing party, doing some neo-liberalism shit. It's really crazy actually

Do we really want to give this another go though? I mean, Lula was straight up neolib. And when Dilma tried to be a good keynesian girl our economy colapsed. And PT is still the same, compromises and all. We need sum fuking alternatives. And real ones, not PSOL's bullshit opportunism.

I had a dream I was in Novorossiya last night and it was lucid as fuck. Everything was blowing up though and it was not good times.

would you volunteer in a Brazilian civil war, anons?

what are you even saying?

Thanks for the support bro


I don't think we have any. I like PSOL, they just fucking see the capital power over our nation. Of course, to all the other people they're crazy af.
One party that think a little different is the Novo, with the distrital voting thing. But they're neoshit


If the time comes, sure comrade, we're really close to this anyway

STFU. Both sides suck in that conflict. Just ignore it, focus on anti-capitalism.

Bruh this actually happens here.

The thing in brazil is fucking terrifying.
How can a false conscience poison so many people so effectivly?

There are a lot of right-wing nationalists on both sides but it is the Ukrainians who are committing crimes against Russians, Jews and all the other minorities. I understand the fear of Russian expansion and that the separatists are by no means innocent but they are the lesser evil in my view.

i'll be right along side you, tovarisch

The fear is always around to go back, the new middle class doesn't want to get poorer again. Of course the speeches of hate towards social welfare to less than poorer people actually almost define political views here

i wish you would all stop being fucking retarded
t. uruguayan.

How can you describe Uruguay right now? Is the left still strong?

It's a pretty good place to live imho.
That said I have no idea how the left is doing over there. I actually don't live in Uruguay now and back when I did I didn't concern myself with politics at all.

I think you mean Cisplatina.
:^).

Are you in Rojava mate?

t. brazillian

no

Actually education and health are not going to get frozen you dumbass.
Should definitely stop reading brazil247, quit your shitty fucked up college and then kill yourself along with your teacher.
I don't understand how the fuck you know english youre so fkin dumb.(USER WAS TRIGGERED BY ALL OTHER POSTS IN THIS THREAD, damn this morenazi is triggered)

Oh yeah, that's the funniest thing about it all.

It's fucking fantastic.

TFW I thought this was Brazilian Nazbol at first glance

Are you going to argue that the government isn't super corrupt? Not even the usual Worker's Party supporter tries to argue that, holy fuck.
Things really get warped when you view them form miles away using the internet.

I know this is bait, but pls bait harder.

So socdems created the instrument of their demise?

Usual lover of the regular media cock

Of course it is corrupt, you fucking dumbass, you're talking about a third world country with a bourgeoisie political system.


go back to Holla Forums your classcuck wage slave

The funniest parts are the stupid civil servants. Here in Rio Grande do Sul they've campaigned against Tarso(PT) during the elections complaining that he wasn't giving enough raises, now they don't get any raise nor are payed and if it wasn't for previous PT govs securing a modicum of job security they would have already lost their jobs.

I think so. If someone got any better financially during the social welfare years, it certainly doesn't think it was because of the minimum raises, and think that giving a family 25 dollars a month is outrageous to stop extreme poverty


PT is the son of evil no matter what.

PSOL are my our guys

How do we bring Plinio back from the dead?

Of course it was corrupt but it was no more or less corrupt than previous governments. The thing is that Dilma got impeached for simply doing something that literally every predecessor of her did. So the "super corrupt" on this context was just an excuse to get rid of PT not against corruption per se.

Just like Jango was, or Vargas before…
Mó legal saber que nego continua a repetir os mesmos erros.


The funny part about all of this is that it was probably the only government to actually pretended to fight corruption.

sadly, we don't even have real alternatives
Ciro Gomes? Dá bilhão?

And what about the Black Blocs being referred as terrorists?

Presented without any comments. I rest my case.

never forget

Freixo my man

What's the context of the third pic?

Well the party was born from a split from PT when they started going more and more to the right with the class collaboration.They never sold out during importante votations in the senate/congress, of course it could change if they become bigger but thats something that we can't know.

>phillip-butler.com/mad-world/
Five seconds on google. There are a few Brazilians fighting for the separatists in Ukraine, some tankies and some nazbols, until a couple of years a go there were communities helping whoever wanted to go there but it stopped and I don't know if it ever returned

I know everyone says this, but if this shit happens, I will leave the country for good. Thank God Europorky is so thirsty for immigrants, so I can claim a passport by jus sanguinis.

It's anoying to check 55/pol/ and see them gloating about 3 conservative candidates in the next election and shit, and Lula is PT's and the """""left's""""" last gasp.

I've been considering this, but maybe Rojava? Maybe it's really becoming to be a fair and nice country? Idk, need some research to decide.

And about the brazilian chan, I can't fucking understand how everyone like to suck each others off

Start a coop that provides education and healthcare to the people that will be affected

a lot of spanish american socialist flags look fash as fuck

Nosotros

Technically Brazil is Portuguese though so you probably should've said Latin American or Latino instead.

For the love of Bookchin, user. They are in the middle of the war.

I don't have the health to fight in a war (which is a convenient excuse because it means I'll never have to know if I have the balls for it either).

why are there so many brazilian ancaps?

My opinion: It's basically a lot of young people who recently got some money because of the economic growth of the country, believing in all that "small businessman ethics". Maybe it's a evolution of "new atheism".

There's some old people too, but they have the money and all that.

Aut right is to the 10's what new atheism was to the 00's
I've been thinking about making a thread about this.

The average brazillian mentality it's all about "Fuck you, I've got mine" and needless to say ancap shit fits perfectly into it.

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1) A disproportionate fraction of 3rd-world online activity is "middle" class
2) 3rd-world middle class aren't just richer proles with a sprinkling of petite bourg like in the 1st-world, but almost uniformly ultra-porky bourgs and managers

This gets my vote. In poorer countries, internet users, or at least the ones who speak English and venture outside Facebook, tend to be middle class or higher due to simple economics. So it ends up being full of reactionaries.

Definitely do it, sounds dope.

We need a Vargas of the Left.

and no, Lula isn't it

So what is the retirement age?

Brizola could have been it, if he had been a more able player. But alas.

Brizola even made a land reform in RS during his governorship… Man. I had a Leninist-lukacsian professor who was even part of Brizola's campaign in the early 90s. The Left should have been all behind him tbh…

PCB supported fucking Sarney reeeeeeee

PCB are the doom and gloom party. They were against armed struggle during the dictatorship because they knew it was useless. If they are full acceleration now it would only make sense.

Novidade pra mim, já que eu trabalho terceirizado.

Não, valeu. Freixo é legal, mas no geral, não é forte o suficiente pra ganhar nada.

the most famous brazilian lukacsians are/were all over brizola (ze paulo netto, jose chasin, carlos nelson coutinho)

Muh vidya taxes are theft

Today's PCB is just a minor faction of the old PCB. The majoritarian faction tried to destroy the party and went to form PPS, which nowadays is just a PSDB proxy. Fuck you Roberto Freire.

A lot of Brazilian marxists are closeted varguistas.

PCdoB (Marxista-Lenista-Maoista-Dengista) quando?

ummmm

I mean… I know I am…there are no other choices now a days…


Marxism-Leninism-Posadism with Varguist tendencies

O que o /leftybrpol/ pensa disso?
geysonsantoshotmailcom.jusbrasil.com.br/artigos/219848538/a-esquerda-e-o-crime-organizado

just by reading the headline and the first paragraph I can tell the ideology is so pure it makes smirnoff vodka taste like dishwater

true. they are one step to go full nazbol. also call everything postmodernism, like wtf.

Dont mind me, i just come here to post this mp4.

Brazilian NazBol could actually work, if you think about it. Just remove the thing about races and bam! perfect.

Why the unions in the privates services sector are so weak here? Why the left cannot organize these workers? This happen in another countries as well?

Toyotist + Neo liberal revolution, user. And yes.

man, we need to make more memes. i'm just too lazy right now…

What exactly is the problem with Lula and the Workers' Party?

They were the proletarian hope but went the full neoliberal corrupt route when they got in power.

Turns out you can't really do anything with the presidency alone and that the so called popular support was never really a thing to begin with. That and they were never really that marxists or revolutionary, plenty of members were(with a reasonable number of them still being) but they never really had much influence.

Bump, there is any hope for 2018? Any Holla Forums approved candidates?

This is the only Holla Forums approved candidate.

Get some guns and start doing political work, I doubt those faggots will let go so soon. Unless you are some fucking loony like the MNN.

DÁ BILHÃO?

might as well just support Ciro instead because he truly is /ourguy/

are you from cpl?

Being completely honest, it doesn't matter left or right in Brazil, I know it's cliche but they are all bad.

You say "financial crises hit Brazil" like it wasn't the leftist governments fault in the first place.

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Eu tenho pena dos duplos-digitos por serem desperdiçados de tal maneira

kys tbh fam

Meant for

Is there a single government in Brazilian history that hasn't gone through an economic crisis?

One of the fundamental problem of third world countries is that they themselves have little control over their own economies. An example I read from Massimo D'Alema: look at one of those mega financial or brokerage or whatever firms, headquartered in the WTC One World Trade Center. You go in there and see some 30-something young go-getter, trading millions around like it's monopoly money, probably with pure speculation. A single one of these fuckers has more power over the Brazilian economy than any one of our senators. It's utterly necessary for the country to regain independence over its own economy, and I'm not even talking about nationalizing industries or shit. Just having the balls and brains to set own own economic agenda.

But unfortunately, our Porkies are the personification of a comprador elite: both servile (no balls) and incompetent (no brains). So they'll keep doing the same shit they have been doing for 500 years and never worked, and when it inevitably ends up in yet another financial crisis a decade down the road, they'll somehow blame it all on the left. Fuck it all.

There's nothing worth saving here. We need a cleansing fire, indiscriminate in its destruction, the only truly just force for it spares nothing and turns everything into the same thing: we will all be equal as ashes.

Vamos explodir o cristo redentor.

That would only bring the wrath of spooked masses.

Now if you managed to slip a bomb into the Senate on the other hand, the people would call you a hero.

Porky: As you wish, folks.

tfw

TOP kek

PragerU actually did. They and the Mises Institute are going all out on us, Anões.


"How Socialism Ruined my Country"
youtube.com/watch?v=bKhR9i5CGkA

this, you cant talk about any of this shit without talking about the massive scam/gambling ring that is global finance, you talk of trading millions well those are your small time capos these fucking parasites trade QUADRILLIONS, their derivatives and all the toxic fucking paper they move arounbd and interlink with everthing dwarfs the realeconomy of the entire globe thousands of times over

the need to be removed, be that through some kind of financial war crimes tribunal or other means, nothing will get fixed until they are, the 1.5 number is an outdated conservative estimate btw its much higher at this point

globalresearch.ca/global-derivatives-1-5-quadrillion-time-bomb/5464666

The most ridiculous part of the financial sector scam? In spite of the usual "end of history rome egypt and sumeria were capitalist TINA lel" droning, this is a very recent phenomenon. Both high finance as a whole, and derivatives specifically, were until the coup of politics by neoliberalism in the 1970s a much smaller part of the economy. The expansion of the derivatives market serves as a case in point to the rest of finance, until the late 1990s they were primarily an obscure mechanism to control price volatility in commodities markets, but became a means of storing away the ill-gotten plunder of neoliberal pseudo-capitalists.

Why do I say pseudo-capitalists? Because the supposed function of capitalists is to reinvest profits, which they haven't been since the 1970s. Instead, they've been sitting on it, their overflowing mattresses overflowing first into private banks, then stock markets, then foreign currencies, then derivatives. Now that's exploded in 2008, the final frontier is the bond market, where sovereigns have such massive demand from "investors" that bonds aren't just issued with "negative real interest", but "negative ABSOLUTE interest". In other words, bonds that are literally worse than cash!

That is the future, porky porking so hard that instead of paying their employees, improving their MoP, letting banks give normal people credit, or even paying taxes, they're burning "their" money just to keep it out of our hands.

If the entire thing were shut down, it wouldn't be some unprecedented change, just a shift back about 2-3 decades.

Forgot one pic

It's amazing rightists whine about "government debt" when negative real interest means the bonds we issue are essentially free money from porky:
blogs.ft.com/gavyndavies/2015/02/01/how-negative-can-interest-rates-go/

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Wait, so could I put all my money into Spanish and Italian bonds and live like a king?

youtube.com/watch?v=57R2vwfZku0

Wtf I love Muke now? ??

Any hope for Lula turning left?
Also, are guys ready for the strikes in the public services and the propaganda against them?

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To be honest, he might as well go full left-wing populism and bring the good old Varguism back.

If, and only if, they don't arrest him first.

But doubts are had.

There are any indications of that? I dont follow anything about PT.

If there are conditions for it, then yes. Remember: Dilma started as the leftiest president since Jango and yet we got a coup d'etat. Getting a left-wing congress would be crucial for a left turn in national politics.

The main major current in the party might change for the lefter one, as the militants aren't happy with how things have been going and the party leadership answers have been confusing at best. They have a party congress coming soon, we'll see how things go.

Nope, the cow died from tuberculosis, if you know what i mean.


Impossible with the actual scenario.


Good to know, maybe there some hope.

Its the text from the "PEC" which froze up public expenditure.

Im very skeptcial. Lula is just power hungry. Member 02? (pic related)

Dilma was a good keynesian girl who dindu nuffin. Fight me on this.

I hope you are getting some guns and learning how to use them, because shit is only getting downhill for now on. Maybe this time the left actually does base political work, maybe some guys will read this based book and stop making the same shitty mistakes.
Who I'm kidding, we are going to keep on this eternal cycle with the same errors and resentment fucking up everything
Serio, leiam Jacob Gorender, filho da puta é foda pra caralho.

Yeah, she did nothing, because she doesn't have a political base on congress to aprove the "reforms".

It's one of the thnigs that most piss me off about this place. It desperately wants to be more like America, but it feels like it's copying all the shit parts and ignoring the good things on purpose.


WEW

Ele tem a cara perfeita de um deslumbrado, do tipo "queria que papai e mamãe estivessem na Disneylândia quando eu nasci para que eu pudesse ser cidadão Americano". Esse vai longe e daqui a pouco vai ser pundit nos EUA.

Lembro-me vagamente de que, uma década atrás, teve um protesto de algum grupo tipo Cansados, e a Globo entrevistou um malaco qualquer como sendo "líder". Acontece que o "líder" trabalhava pra Globo, e era também do tipo deslumbrado. É capaz que seja esse mesmo Felipe, mas não achei evidências no Google.


Surely you mean "for porky"?

There is no leadership other than Lula. Virtually everyone else got caught in some scandal or other. I remember back during his first election, PT had a massive roster of charismatic leaders with spotless reputations. Lula is just about the only one that hasn't been nailed… yet. If When he does, PT either dies or has to do a 180º.

Did you really search through the catalog just to post that?

Whoah boy

How does this keep happening?

Brazilian fascist revolution when? FUCK COMMIES

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MORTE A TODOS OS PRETOS IMUNDOS
MORTE AOS COMUNISTAS FILHA DA PUTA
CASTELLO BRANCO NAO FEZ NADA ERRADO

Fascist politicians tell simple solutions, like kill all bandits, kill the natives that live in potential mineral rich areas, the workers party doesn't like to work, gays are shit etc etc.

Kek