Anticheat

James Torres
James Torres

How would you design a good anticheat solutions considering that all the current ones suck ass?
More generally how to prevent cheating in online games?

All urls found in this thread:
https://www.unknowncheats.me/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1y0kc1/vac_now_reads_all_the_domains_you_have_visited/
https://github.com/AimTuxOfficial/AimTux/
http://docs.nvidia.com/deploy/nvml-api/group
https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/specs/1.0/man/html/VkPhysicalDeviceProperties.html
https://archive.is/MIJRs
Owen Lee
Owen Lee

More generally how to prevent cheating in online games?
its a money issue, cheats exploit bugs in games, or modify things that shouldn't be modified. So either you need a team of anti-cheat engineers that fix up bugs or programmers that find ways to detect modifications.
Then impose permanent IP bans or account bans.

Carson Nguyen
Carson Nguyen

who the fuck cares you goddamn baby? are you upset someone invalidated your 10 minute life affirming video game experience by cheating?

jesus christ grow up you fucking pussy.

Landon Young
Landon Young

test

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

The only solution is LAN party.

Thomas Murphy
Thomas Murphy

calls OP a baby
talks like an angsty call of duty teenager

Carson Gray
Carson Gray

he doesnt pay 600 euro a month for a hardware hack

Elijah Ramirez
Elijah Ramirez

Community run servers that consist of the majority of all servers and have an active and attentive admin staff. Since this is the era of match making, this will likely never happen again.

Tyler Martinez
Tyler Martinez

spurned pussy detected. please go back to whining about how some ebin script kiddie pissed in your cheerios and shot you through a wall and ruined your day.

im gonna go turn on cheat engine while you monitor this thread for more replies to your posts like the virtue signaling faggot you are.

Jack Jenkins
Jack Jenkins

I would ban all players from my game forever. No players - no cheaters.

Ayden Martin
Ayden Martin

Please don't use cheat engine on Holla Forums.

Grayson Clark
Grayson Clark

laugh maniacally at cucks who actually bought the game and can't play it because some based hacker ruins their experience and then record the salt

Oliver Ross
Oliver Ross

Xonotic prevents wall hacking by pruning data about other players before sending the packet back to the client. So even if you can see through walls you wouldn't be able to see the other player.

So there's one.

Caleb Butler
Caleb Butler

To clarify, if the other player would not be in line of sight.

Brandon Gray
Brandon Gray

All current solutions are botnets. They know everything about your system and what you're doing (e.g. VAC scans your DNS history), and from that they make decisions. Despite that, a caring server moderator/administrator still does a better job at spotting cheaters than some proprietary malware. Another solution would be to design game engines such way that cheaters can't get advantages, using as an example.

Henry Bennett
Henry Bennett

VAC scans your DNS history
Not true. You may be confusing it with another anticheat. See: https://www.unknowncheats.me/wiki/Valve_Anti-Cheat

Josiah Cruz
Josiah Cruz

stop making games for pc, play games on console instead. There I just solved it

Jordan Kelly
Jordan Kelly

I'm not sure about the current year but it was the case back in 2014:
https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/1y0kc1/vac_now_reads_all_the_domains_you_have_visited/

Ethan James
Ethan James

ip bock shithole countries

Jose Stewart
Jose Stewart

This, to be honest. Too bad AAA games won't sell if you block USA though.

Grayson Wood
Grayson Wood

cool it with the racist remarks

Jack Wilson
Jack Wilson

Simple, if you catch a player cheating: Don't tell them you've caught them, just throw them in a pool with all the other Germans, Mouthbreathers, and Kids that get a rise out of downloading aimware.
VAC is a barely passable system because it's too slow, and rarely catches private cheats. Ditch the wave system, and simply hand out "Shadowbans" immediately after cheating is detected.

Jeremiah Torres
Jeremiah Torres

Remember thrash like Aequitas? That was a rootkit in all but name and caused constant crashes while people who bought private hacks simply laughed about it.
CS comp play was shit 10 years ago and is probably ten times worse thanks to MUH ESPORZ cancer.

Anthony Price
Anthony Price

use cheats online
need affirmation from a videogame for support is life but since it's a scrub he needs cheat engines
Gitgud

Thomas Howard
Thomas Howard

considering that all the current ones suck ass?
Have you considered that maybe making a good anti-cheat isn't as easy as you think it is?
Despite that, a caring server moderator/administrator still does a better job at spotting cheaters than some proprietary malware.
you know how many times I got banned from games because some whiny admin thought I was cheating? Admins are gay.
Then impose permanent IP bans or account bans.
There are people with dynamic IP's out there who can just change their IP whenever they want.

Austin Morris
Austin Morris

idiots caught by this system will complain about the amount of cheaters
cheaters will out themselves

Logan Campbell
Logan Campbell

im gonna go turn on cheat engine
How are you any different from a nigger? Instead of playing the game like a civilized person you go around like a ape ruining the fun for everyone. What is your problem? Are you literally non-white? Does your live suck so hard you feel the need to spread your pain?

Julian Wright
Julian Wright

need affirmation from a videogame for support is life but since it's a scrub he needs cheat engines

what did she mean by this

Josiah Morales
Josiah Morales

cheat engine
is there seriously a multiplayer game that can't detect that shit?

Cooper Moore
Cooper Moore

I'm sorry, but shadowbanning is a scummy practice no matter how it's performed. Plus, if someone gets falsely accused of hacking, throwing them to the sharks is the opposite of what you want to do.

Charles Jenkins
Charles Jenkins

Permament banning in general is a scummy practice, to be honest. A year is more than enough for a person to revaluate their decisions.

Adam Jackson
Adam Jackson

allow people to host their own server and give them the ability to votekick, anticheat is the shittiest concept ever.

Easton Morgan
Easton Morgan

How would you design a good anticheat solution
Don't. Purposefully encourage the development of cheats and make the entire game about trying to outplay the opposition with superior software.

Jordan Fisher
Jordan Fisher

This, people can do a much better job than some automated program looking for hooked programs(innocuous or malicious.)
Anticheats are malware to begin with and don't even do their seemingly-obvious job well, it more often than not bans legitimate users for overlays or only the most popular hacks, while private hacks take longer to be noticed.

James Gutierrez
James Gutierrez

In Dark souls pvp, the cheaters were usually the ones who were worse at the game and would fall for easy gravity kill bait unless they had an auto-kill switch which was really only ever found on pc.
It was always funny because they were prone to send hate mail after being beaten and in those messages their broken psyche would show how up is down and down is up in their messed up mind.
there's only ever 4 reasons why someone would hack a multiplayer video game.
-to remove tediousness (like quick pvp builds in dark souls as opposed to grinding and farming for 15 hours, this can be bad cause of 0 health builds, but I've made loads of quick pvp builds cause fuck boring grinding)
-it's available - this is the broken psyche one, they usually don't even think they're cheating and are capable of mental gymnastics usually only ever seen in the most brainwashed of soyboys, I've noticed these guys tend to be mexican a lot based on their names and edginess.
-the trophy is better than the game to them - otherwise known as tryhards who suck but really want that top 100 rank.
-trolling - basically the people in this thread which isn't surprising, you can't really blame them when they're a day away from killing themselves and the only thing keeping them alive is making people mad. If they didn't have multiplayer games to hack they'd probably be dead.

Easton Morales
Easton Morales

A year is more than enough for a person to revaluate their decisions.
yeah, what we need is millions of cheaters thinking "time to ragehack again in a year!"

you're fucking retarded

Dylan Peterson
Dylan Peterson

Just so get banned again? I dunno who's more retarded, you or the cheaters.

Benjamin Diaz
Benjamin Diaz

Plus, if someone gets falsely accused of hacking
are you dumb? no game bans because someone claims another was hacking, there wouldn't be a playerbase if that was the case

Zachary Ramirez
Zachary Ramirez

are you dumb? no game bans because someone claims another was hacking, there wouldn't be a playerbase if that was the case
a lot of games ban you because of the amount of reports you get. Pretty sure Siege handles it this way and battlefield too.

Leo Morgan
Leo Morgan

do you not realize that after two years there will constantly be cheaters returning every single day just to ragerhack again? that also implies they're banned instantly, letting them ragehack again for even a day is unacceptable because thousands will be returning to their accounts each month, they will all be ruining someones play session because you're so retarded you think someone who became a ragehacker in the first place actually wants to play the game seriously and that they'll all change. even if 80% of them changed and stopped cheating it wouldn't be worth it, and what about the ones who are still vindictive and so become closet cheaters? have some foresight you fucking mongrel.

Ryan Wright
Ryan Wright

[citation needed]

Ethan Ramirez
Ethan Ramirez

Then make the system reset the 1 year countdown every week it detects cheating. That way the cheaters will forever be stuck in the shadow realm unless they stop cheating for a year.

Jordan Cruz
Jordan Cruz

The easiest way to stop a person from doing something is simply by murdering them. They won't doing much after that, I tell you hwhat.

But a more legal method would be for games to implement a way for users to report cheaters to mods + a way to submit evidence to mods as proof. The subtle cheaters may still get away, but the overt cheaters who noticeably break the game won't escape.

Adrian Edwards
Adrian Edwards

1 problem with this
In tf2 I was accused of hacking and kicked out of servers a lot.

play call of duty 4, its a hackers paradise right now about who can be the bigger god.

John Long
John Long

servers
Better than being banned from the game permanently.

Grayson Lee
Grayson Lee

have cheats
still loses
it would be excusable if she was at least able to place her reticle on the other person since csgo has rng spray, yet she cant even manage that. sad!

Asher Baker
Asher Baker

You have a team that actively searches obscure forums and other sites for the latest cheats. Then update your rootkit almost-illegal-tier malware of a anti-cheat to scan everything and ban both the IP and the hardware permanently and block his game account along with his credit card.
B-but muh privacy
Sometimes we gotta sacrifice some things. I would gladly make an anticheat that is just barely legal as long as it works and BTFOs the subhuman cheaters.

Colton Gomez
Colton Gomez

The simple truth is that valve doesn't care about cheaters, and in fact wants them around. The cheaters are probably one of the biggest profit sources for csgo, since every time they get banned they buy a new copy of the game and keep going as usual.

Anthony Johnson
Anthony Johnson

All anticheats are reactionary by their nature, therefore the only solution is to preemptively obfuscate your game as much as possible, but unless you're writing your game in your own programming language, you'll still get cheaters. Otherwise you're best off with letting people host their own servers. Closet cheaters are worse than blatant cheaters. Closet cheaters are tryhards who're also hybrid edgelords and wiggers who actually care about their face, reputation, and actually competing despite cheating.

I can take my boobs and smack you across the face with them.
That would be hot if she actually had boobs.

That's more of a trust issue than anything else. That said, you'll only get banned from individual servers and groups as opposed to the entire game.

Juan Barnes
Juan Barnes

Tie game accounts to your DNA and require a blood test every time you fire up the game.
If you cheat, your DNA is blacklisted for life - and also you're killed.

Jose Miller
Jose Miller

This is the only correct answer

Cooper Turner
Cooper Turner

That's a great idea, Goldstein.

Hunter Edwards
Hunter Edwards

direct linking reddit
keeping cached versions of your internet history
/reddit/index.html
/out/index.html

Alexander Davis
Alexander Davis

steal someone's hand
make fake DNA tester
There's a world of reasons against biometrics in their various forms, besides that the majority of them aren't all that accurate.

Austin Smith
Austin Smith

The majority of the time it's easy to tell who's cheating, the issue isn't detection but them getting kicked or banned in fast reliable manner. Trying to get into an arms race with cheat devs and go full botnet with file or memory scanning is a waste of time and effort.

Michael Nelson
Michael Nelson

As far as I know, Rocket League doesn't have any cheats at all, despite being competitive and popular. How do they do it?

At least cs has the trust system now, which supposedly only queues you against people with similarly old steam accounts. But otherwise you're right

Adam Phillips
Adam Phillips

Considering how simple the gameplay is they probably do most things server side. Even still a quick search found plenty of videos.

Jordan Bailey
Jordan Bailey

HWID bans like Blizzard does. It works insanely well. Valve has a lot of good ideas with Overwatch not the game, it's a system in CSGO where reports are verified by players by watching the gameplay of the reported player and players are de-rendered if someone is far enough behind a wall to prevent wallhacking.

Bentley Nguyen
Bentley Nguyen

Yes, put the moderation in the hands of idiots.
It can sometimes be good bit it usually goes like
s-someone on your team is cheating
<you need more than x votes to succeed
<No one on said team cares because they win
<There are afks and people who don't pay attention to chat.
free for all
someone is skilled enough to be accused of cheating
vote succeeds
And there are other cases that it's bad regardless of cheats. I've gotten kicked on tf2 while playing as defense engy for not having a high enough score after a while.

Camden Jenkins
Camden Jenkins

I think this thread is limited to counte strike.

Caleb Butler
Caleb Butler

Make online games so bad everyone with taste stops playing them, so the only people left are adolescents and hackers, both of which are inconsequential to everyone else in the world. Oh wait, that's been going on for fifteen-plus years now. Seems like everything is in order, then.

Asher Smith
Asher Smith

I'd run a subroutine to look if, at any point in time, the main attributes of the player character in the multiplayer online game are being altered. Then, rather than having any immediate action, I'd let it wait and check on how well the player is doing. If he's racking up points extremely fast then there's a very high chance that he's cheating to get on other people's nerves, but rather than banning him I'd make it so that a number of random things can happen to his game for a certain amount of time, including:
random crashes to desktop
scores dropping to zero for no apparent reason
screen gradually turning darker or brighter
screenshots of the game automatically becoming the desktop background and folder icons
arbitrarily making certain keybinds not respond
adding a vuvuzela sound that goes off whenever the game is shut down

Benjamin Moore
Benjamin Moore

I’d have my game search his hard drive for a folder titled “family photos” or something similar and then put gay porn in it.

Julian Butler
Julian Butler

Can any user teach me how to cheat? Asking the real questions here

Jace Bennett
Jace Bennett

fairfight still works?

Adrian Stewart
Adrian Stewart

I have to watch this. This is so good
gets the banhammer
I'm laffin

Ayden Rogers
Ayden Rogers

I wouldn't really care. I'd just let people to make their own servers and ban the cheaters themselves. I hate cheaters but cheats are basically mods and trying to be too hostile to cheats you end up accidentally banning mods. It's a community issue, not a developer issue. That's how I see it anyway.

Zachary Miller
Zachary Miller

Weak.
Put pictures of white families and breastfeeding, slender moms in random folders on his computer instead. You want to drive him insane, not just gross him out.

Henry Reyes
Henry Reyes

https://github.com/AimTuxOfficial/AimTux/
you're welcome

Kevin Williams
Kevin Williams

in your own programming language
That won't do shit, still compiles to binary.

Hunter Bailey
Hunter Bailey

How would you design a good anticheat solution

Region banning all IPs east of Poland.

Matthew Bailey
Matthew Bailey

Pay the NSA to be the anti-cheat.

John Cox
John Cox

get rid of competitve modes
get rid of ranking
get rid of leveling up
get rid of matchmaking
There now all of the kids who do that won't play the game in the first place

Jackson Ross
Jackson Ross

By implementing cheat enabled games.

Logan Bailey
Logan Bailey

um

Caleb Morales
Caleb Morales

I'm no software engineer, but my proposed method of handling the problem would be like so:

Use a compiled data file for the game-code of your game ala QuakeWorld, but don't define the main functions engine-side (which is something QuakeWorld does.) Have the server validate the checksum of the progs.dat (or whatever file) based on the one the server is running. This also gets around security issues of custom game-code without the need for sand-boxing. Also do away with horrible horrible shit like client-side damage calculation (I'm looking at you TF2!)

Jeremiah Clark
Jeremiah Clark

It's not that hard, retard.

William King
William King

Closet cheaters really require a social component to deal with them. Most are quietly supported by a large group of non-cheating friends that pressures/gaslights everyone else into letting the cheater get away with it. Gets really bad when everyone on the server is friends, because the cheater is going to naturally be the best at sucking the admin's ego off.

And they are really hard to spot, easiest way I've found is that they play late at night on un-moderated servers, where they very obviously test out all their cheats. Otherwise it requires some edge case like the the hack bugging out while moving up a staircase or someone shooting at a spectator (and even then, their friends all pull gas-lighting duty).

I can tell you, there is A LOT of very mild cheating going on to 'keep up with the Joneses'. Some cheaters do it to gain the attention of the best players, so they can be friends. Yes it is as sad as it sounds; remember the eternal normalfag only cares about his social life

Brayden Jones
Brayden Jones

all these buttblasted CSGO kiddies getting mad at cheaters

Kayden Sullivan
Kayden Sullivan

This, not only hilarious, but it solves the IP switching issue since they won't know about the changes to their account. For PR you just say the usual BS like "Our team is working as hard as we can to eliminate this problem from the community" without mentioning any implementation at all.

Camden Foster
Camden Foster

I would develop strong tools for administrators to remove players and leave the rest to the honor system. Trying to make some incredibly complicated invasive system process to monitor player activity just ends up fucking everybody at the end of the day.

Christian Diaz
Christian Diaz

When you get really carried away with anti-cheat you can end up ruining a game experience. Definitely something to be avoided on a console experience that can't be patched like a PC game.

Parker Phillips
Parker Phillips

I have to admit PSO2's gameguard is a bit silly. the admin prompt kills PSO2 and recording usually means I have to open OBS BEFORE running PSO2

Chase Russell
Chase Russell

Gameguard is a fucking rootkit. The versions of PSO on the other hand got so carried away with memory card save checks that they introduced not only ways for players to accidentally corrupt their character files, but ways for other players to force them to corrupt.

Nolan Green
Nolan Green

found the cheating defense forces

Sebastian Morales
Sebastian Morales

I stoped playing Gunz Online because cheating.

like I don't undertad people who watchs letsplayers and streams and cheaters. I mean all of those do one thing only:

they don't play the game.

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

cheating defense forces
??

David Carter
David Carter

The second reason really has me thinking. I'd regularly PVP with this spic looking faggot on DS1, and he'd always get utterly destroyed. He tried to turn on infinite health once but I knocked him off a ledge, and he justified his cheating by saying he 'only' used infinite stamina and magic most of the time.

Benjamin Hernandez
Benjamin Hernandez

You can't prevent cheating. It's an endless arms race. The best you can do is sweep up as much as you can.

Systems like CS:GO's prime thing tied to your in-game time played and phone number are just ways of making it less likely that an undetected cheater with custom made cheats will still be undetected by the time he gets matched against you, and is willing to risk an account and all that play time against the possibility of future detection.

In some ways I'm fond of the Rockstar method of matching detected cheaters against other detected cheaters, so they don't know they've been detected and get to find out if their cheats are better than someone else's.

Camden Hall
Camden Hall

I would ban people from playing online on any of their steam games.

Leo Smith
Leo Smith

what about people who don't use (((steam)))

Mason Powell
Mason Powell

allow players to host servers
server has dedicated hotpockets
I get that there will be shit mods/players that will try to abuse it. but it's better then having a mallious piece of software search and log every process on your computer.

I have a huge hate for any anti-cheat software since i use a virtual machine to play most games.
Theres nothing wrong with giving people the choice to host for their self even if they're shit
t. freetard

Nolan Cruz
Nolan Cruz

initial cheat
3 month ban
second offense
1 year ban
third offense
2 year ban
fourth offense
5 year ban
etc
This system would end up banning repeat offenders longer than your service will even be alive. So what if they get to hack once every year or three? It's much different than holding the ban and letting them hack for weeks or even months like VAC and then permanently denying them service to every VAC game. That's just a scummy move.

More thorough anticheat is too invasive, it's better to appeal to an audience that will cheat responsibly (make their own cheat server and announce hacking is allowed in its name). If your playerbase is such ass that you think they need permabans, your players all suck.

Brody Gray
Brody Gray

I'd ban them from official servers but let them keep playing.
This makes your game look more popular

Ryder Russell
Ryder Russell

I'd make it so that if you try to cheat, you'd instantly die.

Thomas Williams
Thomas Williams

Bui did it and won.

Matthew Perry
Matthew Perry

two problems:
requires working cheat detection
needs anti-"death circumvention" measures now

Liam Jenkins
Liam Jenkins

My anticheat detects everything, and there is no possible way to circumvent the instant-death.

Caleb Taylor
Caleb Taylor

between having the funds to hire someone that isn't a street-shitter to program it and having your employees put up with your avatarfagging, that's quite the achievement.

Julian Fisher
Julian Fisher

implying it wouldn't just teleport them to the shadow realm

Connor Torres
Connor Torres

The answer is simple: provide fun, unlockable and varied cheats available for single player only, so that anybody who wants to cheat can get their jollies without ruining anybody else's fun.
Also split screen multiplayer so if anybody is cheating they get a shot in the arm like god intended.

Nolan Thompson
Nolan Thompson

splitscreen
THIS

Eli Morgan
Eli Morgan

More generally how to prevent cheating in online games?
Hardware bans.

Bentley Davis
Bentley Davis

writing hardwarw specific code

Brandon Perez
Brandon Perez

Have everyone in the nation equipped with a remote detonated ass impaler, and then in the EULA state that anything considered offensive will result in immediate ass impaling and will also text your mother.

Tyler Hill
Tyler Hill

support custom servers out of the box, with cheat and mod toggles built in
make the client always record matches
users are given a number from the first server they access for ID purposes
allow servers to receive match recordings from the client, randomly and on report
server mod reviews match, decides the guy is cheating and hits his ID number with a cheat tag that may or may not expire
cheat tag notification propagates among the server list
cheater limited to servers that allow cheats

There, cheating resolved without malware.

Xavier Diaz
Xavier Diaz

That would only work if the server mod isn't a faggot, which is never the case

Adrian Sanchez
Adrian Sanchez

mod doesn't like player for some reason or is 12
hits ID with a cheat tag
fucked out of the rest of the game

Luis Rogers
Luis Rogers

Takes a minute to change HWID
Did you came up with a shared Banlist yourself? Still does not stop me from writing my own ESP and hack in your game.

Jordan Hernandez
Jordan Hernandez

Go back to having community run dedicated servers that provide their own admins, that worked brilliantly.

Ethan Nguyen
Ethan Nguyen

Its why to this day Warband and NW have no cheaters/hacking problems.

Lincoln Nguyen
Lincoln Nguyen

Becase it's not really as easy to cheat in those games compared to contemporary FPS games. Visibility does not offer much of an advantage in either of them and neither do they have hitscan weapons that would greatly benefit from perfect aim.

Carson Jones
Carson Jones

they get a shot in the arm like god intended
Fun story:
middle school
at friends
screenlook for easy kill
he goes to punch my chest
I duck
he punches my fucking throat
Never before or since have I been so sure I was going to choke to death

Christopher Brooks
Christopher Brooks

Why not just provide the hacks for free yourself under a pseudonym and then when they try to use them online you can just detect the hack itself directly?

Or possibly have a subdepartment devoted to hax and give them a small budget to purchase the hax/scripts and then code detection software for each one?

Henry King
Henry King

Pretty much, though both also do as much as possible serverside so cheating is harder anyway.

Gavin Ortiz
Gavin Ortiz

cheater kiddy detected

Xavier Sanchez
Xavier Sanchez

Current anti-cheat shit is good enough. You really only need anti-cheat software that is able to detect interference from third-party applications, which you can solve with strict memory access rules using existing OS APIs for shit like virtual memory gating. This is shit we already have and use

The ONLY cheating programs that get past the radar generally speaking are shit like wall hacks that exploit existing game engine APIs and various glitches. This shit isn't an anti-cheat problem. This shit is a straight up engine design problem. And overall, if you really think we need more than that to solve cheaters, then you need to stop being a faggot and bitching about cheaters. Unless they're in every fucking game you play making the game as a whole unplayable, they're not a problem.

Noah Price
Noah Price

samefag detected

Robert Hill
Robert Hill

design an anti-cheat solution
cheat creator looks at how the anti-cheat works
designs a cheat that bypasses the anti-cheat
now you have to release an update that encompasses this cheat as well

Jayden Cox
Jayden Cox

cheaters are just people with mommy issues

Oliver Lopez
Oliver Lopez

someone cheats
laugh at them
someone loses their shit over it
laugh at them too
I don't see what the problem is.

Andrew Flores
Andrew Flores

Spend money on hack for game
Use it once at LAN party
Everyone knows it's you and kicks you out
Tribalism is the only way to live

Josiah Martinez
Josiah Martinez

Community servers patrolled by admins with VAC as a long-term deterrent. It worked for fine for CS and TF2 in the past. Then Volvo decided automated matchmaking was the way of the future.

Owen Lee
Owen Lee

Hire a bunch of janitors who do it for free

Noah Butler
Noah Butler

What kind of retard does it for free?

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

These fine specimen.

Daniel Sullivan
Daniel Sullivan

You can make it optional like Valve does with VAC, Server hosts can disable or enable VAC if you happen to hate for some strange reason.
Why give cheaters a second chance at all? There is no reason to cheat.

Jaxson Gutierrez
Jaxson Gutierrez

If the software gets confused and bans someone for cheating when they didn't. Some very accurate people happen to have twitchy hands/aiming and some people get kicked for flying when they only jumped off of something. It all depends on software quality of the anti-cheat.

Jaxson Powell
Jaxson Powell

How often does that happen and in which games?

Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

What was that game that banned heaps of people recently? you had some of the kids who cheated pretending to be their parents saying that their son didn't cheat, it was pretty funny.

Jose Barnes
Jose Barnes

A kike and the crippled coward who gave away his site to him. Gee.

Tyler James
Tyler James

I'm saying it's a possibility. I know it's a crap game but the kick for flying I've seen in minecraft, and I've seen actual CS players be very twitchy but not actually be cheating; you can tell.

Logan Miller
Logan Miller

i dont know about the twitchy hand thing but flight detection has been notoriously buggy since it was first implemented in games. Thats why it usually doesnt ban just kicks from the server.

Easton Martin
Easton Martin

I don’t know if it has been mentioned yet, but how about an anticheat system that, when it detects someone cheating, silently gives everyone else in the server a wallhack for that person alone and a beeping sound to let you know how close they are. Any ammo that hits the cheater isn’t removed from your magazine, and if there’s an EXP system, it’s doubled for your kills on him. At the same time, his EXP is halved and he starts being unable to find ammo or other weapons dropped on the map. I’m trying to cover a variety of game types here; not all would be applicable at once.

Aaron Kelly
Aaron Kelly

14152677
Nice dubs /reddit/index.html

Counter sage

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

14152677
doesn't make sense, since women are the regulators of sex, and anime mostly targets men. if women wanted to reproduce, they could always lower their standards.

Juan Myers
Juan Myers

But women already want to reproduce just not with white soyboys

Christopher Davis
Christopher Davis

Simple: Send a wave of enraged feminists after the cheater. Results guaranteed.

Bentley Diaz
Bentley Diaz

You can't.

Alexander Taylor
Alexander Taylor

As an avid ArtificialAiming cheater, I've yet to be banned for software detection. Rather, where I get banned usually is games like battlefield with abnormal stats on a per weapon basis.

This is important, as it's one thing to have fun cheesing people with weak or slow firing weapons (and forces you to keep your overall kills per minute low). I'm still many standard deviations above the mean kpm with that particular weapon.

This means there's not much way to rage for more than a day (switching weapons to avoid hitting the 50 kills where the weapon stat ban takes effect). If origin access weren't $5, I would have gone to other games long ago.

Jaxson Rogers
Jaxson Rogers

Anticheats are like DRM in the sense that they will work for a short time when they're new and then be completely useless, maybe even harming or hindering the legit player.

I wonder if something could come up using artificial intelligence. Like, training a neural network or something with both legit players and cheating players and then using that to detect them server side.

Joshua Anderson
Joshua Anderson

maybe even harming or hindering the legit player.
how

Luke King
Luke King

see

Mason Martin
Mason Martin

who cares about those shitty weeb games anyway? It's a trashy game for losers with a shitty anti cheat.

Oliver Hall
Oliver Hall

heres an idea:
when a game starts on a server, it is also started in a secret parallel "universe" server, wherein there is a clone of every player character; those clones are controlled by the computer, and will perform the exact actions of the corresponding player on the normal server
however, the actions of the CPUs are limited by the game mechanics, whereas the actions of the players who cheat are, of course, not because they're cheating
if the CPU players cannot perform an action that the player has performed, then the corresponding player is automatically kicked from the game and reported to a moderator, with the relevant log files

Julian Flores
Julian Flores

but of course, that wouldn't detect aimbots

Ryder Cooper
Ryder Cooper

that's one way to fix it. Either that or we continue the way we are doing right now because that seems to be a good enough solution too.

Christopher Johnson
Christopher Johnson

ask a question
get the answer
autistically sperg out because you are too fucking stupid to comprehend that you are not the center of the entire universe
/tumblr/index.html

Aiden Watson
Aiden Watson

There is a reason why I asked "How often does that happen and in which games?", I knew it was going to be some shit useless game with a shit anti-cheat.

Bentley Perez
Bentley Perez

Too bad AAA games won't sell if you block USA though.
assblasted shitskin detected
dob jej

Adam Cruz
Adam Cruz

doubles down
proves me right
/tumblr/index.html

Thomas Moore
Thomas Moore

Don't try to change the subject, the questions was what games use these anti-cheats and as it turns out only bad games use them.

Elijah Kelly
Elijah Kelly

TRIPLES down
continues to prove me right
is obviously clinically autistic
/suicide/index.html

Tyler Fisher
Tyler Fisher

Unfortunately you also more than double your computation requirements for the server host, so not really feasible.

Asher Martin
Asher Martin

just have the game install a unique file into the game folder for each individual computer, and when they get banned, they just look for that file for identification. if they remove it or get a different one they get instabanned

Dominic Sanders
Dominic Sanders

Most anti-cheat is literally just pointless spyware. Cheating in games happens due to either
<the client is able to read variables he shouldn't
wallhack
aimbot
see the health of enemies
or worse
<the client is able to modify variables he shouldn't
speedhack
weapon hacks
free xp and money
Both are results of bad network code. The second is simple incompetence and bad programming looking at you Rockstar. Some P2P games were also infamous for this. The first could be fixed only by not sending over anything irrelevant to the current view, but it would be very expensive performance-wise for the server and often difficult to code. Modern devs simply can't and won't bother, especially since cheating is quite profitable.

How do you detect cheaply that the CPU player couldn't do that action? Compare the positions every few ticks?

play
get bored
uninstall game
reinstall it later
get banned instantly forever

Brayden Collins
Brayden Collins

only one ban

You are a baby, watch this

Sebastian King
Sebastian King

I cheated every god damn chance I got growing up, and not just in video games.
And I'll keep cheating so long as it helps me to get ahead, and doesn't hurt anyone else.

Dominic Sanchez
Dominic Sanchez

Have an automatic anti-cheat and user reports. When both get a match and you're 100% sure that a person is cheating you get their address which they must to input beforehand in order to play your game from your database and send a "reformation" squad at their doorstep which will then proceed to bash their heads in with a ban hammer live on camera for everyone to see. Once you've done this a couple of times and set the example, you'll see that people won't be so willing to cheat anymore.

Christopher Anderson
Christopher Anderson

he thinks people who cheat will use their real data

Ryan Allen
Ryan Allen

implying retards know basic opsec

Logan Rodriguez
Logan Rodriguez

That being said doing this will make your Anti-Cheat not only banned in pretty much every country with basic human rights, but also gain probably the worst rep in the history of gaymen

Ian Martin
Ian Martin

I have no god damn idea what you're talking about.

Hunter Hill
Hunter Hill

i would make it detect if youre jewish or have jewish goals and if it finds out that you are a kike or kike headed it would turn you to stone

Josiah Torres
Josiah Torres

this

Carson Lopez
Carson Lopez

A cheat system that if you cheat you get a spanking. Cheat again you are put in a diaper and sent to bed

Alexander Adams
Alexander Adams

It's far easier to tie multiplayer access to an online account, like Steam or Origin. Basically anything that requires the client computer to be "honest" can be worked around.
Why do they have links to help pages when you can't appeal your ban anyway?

Samuel Hall
Samuel Hall

They do unban accounts if you can prove you werent the one doing it.

For example your last login was in Harare Zimbabwe when a few hours earlier you were at your home address in your country of birth.

Charles Brooks
Charles Brooks

Bring back dedicated servers. Put it on the servers to fight the problem. It's a massive fucking money sink to fight them, no point.

Wyatt Anderson
Wyatt Anderson

Blizzard manages to fuck everything but anti cheat up.

Ban people by their hardware IDs. You're never going to get all the cheaters but as long as you're not turning your head while they buy your game again you'll ban enough to make it not a big problem. Alternatively make games like Rocket League where no matter how good your information cheats are you still need skill to win.

Lincoln Price
Lincoln Price

kike headed

Kevin Hall
Kevin Hall

being booty blasted by cheating
lmaoing @ ur life

Julian Bennett
Julian Bennett

Your GPU has a UUID that games can use to track you. I just have to ask your drivers like this, there are several API's that expose this hardware feature, here are some of them:

http://docs.nvidia.com/deploy/nvml-api/groupnvmlDeviceQueries.html#groupnvmlDeviceQueries_1g84dca2d06974131ccec1651428596191

https://www.khronos.org/registry/vulkan/specs/1.0/man/html/VkPhysicalDeviceProperties.html

And I can literally ban your GPU from my game :^) . Your hardware has a lot of fingerprints on it and it's pretty hard to find and change all of them. So, you might change one small thing, but it will still match your hardware profile on the Valve/EA/Bethesda cheater database.

Alexander Price
Alexander Price

using cuckvidia hardware
lol

Ryan Price
Ryan Price

Hackers/cheaters should die a slow and painful death.

Jaxson Morgan
Jaxson Morgan

owned by a cheater and had his feefees hurt
Are you autistic?

Nathan Watson
Nathan Watson

Only scanning DNS history
Valve's like a little baby, watch this https://archive.is/MIJRs

Julian Jones
Julian Jones

Teamkill cheater
They throw an almighty sperg fit
Every time.

Nolan Kelly
Nolan Kelly

CS:GO only has RNG spray if you're running and gunning, though. The whole point is to be good enough with your movement to counterstrafe for a pixel perfect tap to the head.

Nicholas Evans
Nicholas Evans

well that's because rocket league is a good game and first person shitters aren't

Gabriel Torres
Gabriel Torres

first person shooters aren't good games

I'm sorry you're so bad at shooters

Parker Rogers
Parker Rogers

now now, no one is bad at shooters. this is a non-argument and first person shooters are a bad genre

Kayden Bennett
Kayden Bennett

It's a standard feature in Vulkan, which means that developers can probably find a vendor specific API for AMD hardware as well as Intel hardware that gives me a UUID as well, or just get it from Vulkan.

Jason Perez
Jason Perez

you autists will go out of your way to be contrarian hipsters

Andrew Rogers
Andrew Rogers

But he's right
The whole gameplay concept of first person shooters is retarded. They're just a malformed doom-like child that tries to be realistic by shoehorning uninteresting, badly thought game mechanics

Nathan Sullivan
Nathan Sullivan

He isn't, shooters are pretty decent. Half Life, Counter Strike, UT and Quake are very good games. This is the peak of gaming, those games are still played today and they have a huge modding community behind them.

Gavin Stewart
Gavin Stewart

send a team around to the real houses of cheaters to tease them and poke some fun
cheater lives in a castle doctrine state, legally executes the team
I'd like to see that. It's like real life cheating–bringing a gun to an inflatable hammer fight. Or just
cheater puts in the address of someone he hates/is known to kill and rape people/etc.
this happens anyway, just not on his property

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson

how to prevent cheating in online games?
play on consoles.

Zachary Walker
Zachary Walker

This is the peak of gaming
peak of normal faggotry. take your dudebro shit and get fucked fag

Gavin Ward
Gavin Ward

So, what is in your opinion the peak of gaming then? Some Japanese visual novels?

Isaac Phillips
Isaac Phillips

STGs

Parker Davis
Parker Davis

You mean STDs (shoot them downs).

Ryan Price
Ryan Price

tfw you cheated
you were put into a servers with shit tone of other cheaters
because you had cheats installed you were able to see people aiming into exact middle of area displayed by your WH when spectating.
each game over half of the server is cheaters.
each game guy leading the score is someone with aimbot
there is no report button to submit
there is no kick option
there are no mods on the server to kick him
<tfw I am describing my cheating experience in MW2 and not some absurd anti-cheat system.

Michael Russell
Michael Russell

no i mean scrolling 4 point tracking games.

Jackson Clark
Jackson Clark

By having user controlled servers.

Evan Peterson
Evan Peterson

Korea does this.

Brody Ramirez
Brody Ramirez

Looks like your dubs script is working just fine.

Cheating is always going to be a problem with online games but I think a big factor is price of entry. It seems like a lot of people cheat on CS:GO because the keys are relatively cheap, so a ban really isnt' that expensive. Free to play games are even worse. It seems that the lower the bar of entry to play, the higher the ratio of cheaters to normal players is.

Ryder Wilson
Ryder Wilson

A lot of people are missing the point that these 'anti-cheat' programs are actually spyware.

Henry Turner
Henry Turner

Actual fines.

Julian Harris
Julian Harris

How would you design a good anticheat solutions considering that all the current ones suck ass?
I don't let anyone else play my game.

Ryan Turner
Ryan Turner

uuid
nVidia specific
That's PCI standard, and it must be spilt to the kernel for mapping. Windows can give it away in a heart beat.

Benjamin Scott
Benjamin Scott

Depends on the game. Depends on the cheat. Flying out of the boundaries never harmed anybody.

Blake Carter
Blake Carter

More generally how to prevent cheating in online games?

What other cheating is there that matters?

Adrian Perez
Adrian Perez

While you are correct that those games handle it that way, they also hand out temp and perm bans with options for appeal, not shadowbans. And only rarely is someone falsely banned (at least in Siege) due to the sheer amount of reports needed. Those games use BattlEye for most of their anti-cheat.

Shadowban people with hard evidence of cheating and keep a hardban system for like 5% of cheaters to maintain the appearance that hackers would KNOW if they got banned, but wouldn't actually be able to tell unless they figured out they were in cheater purgatory.

Luke Morales
Luke Morales

There is only one good anticheat solution: Authoritative servers. As long as a game client is in charge of deciding what is going on in the game, the game is essentially fucked. You can't make sure the client isn't sending manipulated data unless you're in a locked down scenario like iOS or non-hacked consoles. Games with authoritative servers don't have cheaters, and they never will.
ASSFAGGOTS
almost every RTS
MMORPGs, at least most of the game logic
However what you can't avoid even then is scripting.

Nicholas Parker
Nicholas Parker

using windows
LOL

Wyatt Butler
Wyatt Butler

literally using (((vulkan)))
TOP HAHA

Nathaniel Sullivan
Nathaniel Sullivan

considering that all the current ones suck ass?
Punkbuster is extremely effective, and most anticheat systems have almost eradicated wallhacks as they originally were. Wallhacks are still there, of course, but they've been gimped severely.

Easton Gonzalez
Easton Gonzalez

lmao

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