Badmouse BTEFUO

Hey leftypol… I know a lof you love badmouse but I gotta say this roght here and roght now.

The man is fucking shit at debate.

Distributist tore him a new asshole and he QUIT at the end. Wath if you want, but it is pretty painfull…

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Your right user, that wasn't a debate. It was a fucking lynching.

-Badmouse

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All I'm saying is that the term "debate" is used far too loosely around here.

Debate isn't two fucks talking.

As a Christian, I can confirm that Distributism is fucking shit. Here is a Distributist's awful attempt at explaining away the need for Social Security.

Life, however, does not always work out the way we plan, sometimes because of circumstances beyond our control, and sometimes because our plans are inadequate. On what level of society should we rely for assistance in such circumstances? This is where work retirement plans, assistance from extended family, and assistance from religious and other social organizations come in. These are much better situated to understand the different needs and considerations of those for whom they provide assistance. Therefore, it is more reasonable to rely primarily on these organizations for those who end up without adequate resources in their retirement than to rely on high levels of government.

Well……he made a pretty good response video to Sargon. It's a shame he didn't realize that defending antifa is not a smart or easy thing to do.

Hello, Mouse here, Ask me Anything

What's the weirdest thing you've masturbated to?

do you defend catgirls on reddit?

yeah maybe something regarding to this debate.

Read Bookchin?

Don't give up.
Mook is a mook, but he's getting better.
You will too.

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Why didn't you stick through it mouse? You made yourself look pretty weak tbh

That is what Sargon said after Kristi Winters.

Badmouse is unironically mousey. He always appears like a scared child even amongst peers. I don't know why he thought he was up for debating, but he clearly wasn't.

Where do you think you got tripped up?
You sound nervous on stream, which probably didn't help.

Because it only would have gotten worse, I honestly feel really shit right now and I don't need a bunch of shitposts telling me how much I fucked up.

Whos vulgar now

Then you shouldnt be on leftypol right now, come back in a few days or something.

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Just speaking from experience, and from what I've learned majoring in psychology, anxiety can really effect how well you perform. It can make it difficult accessing what we've learned. Practice debating with a friend and meditating before hand might help fix that.

Organisations and Institutions should be the level your critique operates on

It was one of the first debates I'd done in a while, just when he started questioning me on how it would function I got startled and starting saying shit I didn't know enough about.
It probably didn't help I was dealing with a more right-leaning guy politically rather than a Liberal like Sargon.

why are you such an SJW?

is this sexist?
your answer is crucial.

Yeah I can understand that. Prepare better in the future.

Don't worry. You'll do better next time. You were in a debate where you had to defend your position, and he only had to attack. You were at a disadvantage from the start.

You will learn from this and prepare yourself better for next time, which hopefuly will be in a balanced kind of debate, where attack and defence happen for both.

It's cool, dude. You'll get better eventually. If mook can do it, you can too.
Those kinds of discussions take practice, especially engaging with different people with varying opinions. I know how that is, and I just argue with them on here. Actually speaking to them verbally is probably a whole different world.

You were being led throughout the entire debate. He knew exactly which questions to make, and what tricks to use, and you fell for them because you assumed he would be honest.

Also, on the brightside, at least it wasn't sargon.
Now you can compensate for your weaknesses if he ever actually does try and get i contact with you again.

Look man you have my sympathies, and it is because of those sympathies that I am going to encourage you to exercise your debating skills more. From what I've seen your main problem was actually responding to distributist with theory. Maybe read a bit more and make a few notes next time.

Distributist isn't a bad guy at all though, and would probablly be more then happy to do another debate. Hell maybe you could bring backup too. Distributist is a heavyweight academic thoufh so you might want to see if you could have him organize a debate between you and another person of an opposing ideology instead, with him moderating. He did something like that awhile back and I'd love to see you in one of those.

Regardless, everyone has their bad days. Honestly I love both your channels and was disapointed to see it end soon :/

Hey Mouse! Chin up, kid! You just need more practice. Also I find it helps to anticipate common questions and have prepared answers and stats. A little prep goes a long way.

Question: ever grown out facial hair? I think you'd look rather dashing with a well groomed goatee

It is sort of my fault in that I didn't know enough about Distributes so I couldn't really counter any points on that.

Being an Ausfag, could someone give me the rundown on what happened? With my internet, it might take days for me to find out.

Thanks for stopping by BM.
In all honesty that fact that you admitted on stream that you were not up to defending your own positions adequately is far better than getting something wrong out of ignorance and embarrassing yourself for talking out of your arse. So don't knock yourself too hard.

Make more shit Mousey

I think a lot of the arguments just didn't come to you when you needed them - it happens.

I suggest in the future keeping notes on your computer to prompt you on responses to common arguments against Socialism.

especially if you get flustered in an argument, everything goes from your mind and you can't make good responses. Debates can make you anxious some times so notes are a good idea

This guy is fucking shit, if we want a comrade as a youtube personality this guy is the last fucking guy.
Hbomberguy is the only guy who comes close to putting any left views in a good light

well thanks for that

Hbomberguy is a smug, painfully unfunny hack.

Well I'm sure BM can improve. His videos are good quality and his arguments are solid; It's just that he's not good at debating.
You never know; Hbomber could be the same.

I like your stuff. it's the internet man, you'll always find people who will hate what you do

Hbomberguy is funny as hell man, maybe you just don't like his style of comedy. He is smug as fuck though, but I think that's part of his comedy

dude fucking lurk moar.

Not to shit on a guy whose videos I do enjoy but when has Hbomber ever put something in a good light? The guys shits on reactionary spooks and makes videogame critiques. Now Shaun&Jen is someone who I'd like to see debate since he always has all the facts at hand and can be very witty.

don't be a faggot to the newfriend :(

Yeah that I can agree with.

Tbf I like the way you fronted up sargon, I just feel it could have been done a lot better, you need to be more agressive getting your point across

That user is a loser. I like your shit mouse

Who is Distributist?

Leftcoms are so lazy they have to take credit for creating an entire genre of shitposts

Fam, it's 2 am. Just get some sleep and stop worrying about it for now. I'm sure it's not as bad as you think.

Fuck you! We will not be bound by time!

Fuck this guy, things were going so civil, son of a bitch.

I love you Badmouse.

When are you going to accept Marx as your lord and savior and come to America to get shit done?

Sorry comrade but you need to be better, you can't be dragged in by the "rationals" tropes, you need to get in their face when they try the cheap tricks

If you had to pin your ideology to one form of socialism (ML, Syndicalism etc), which would you say suits you best?

Looks like Muke is gonna be debating him soon now.

Nazbol

Dude you make alright content but this whiny or self-abasing kind of shit just makes it easier for reactionaries to paint you (and us by extension) and limp-wristed faggots.

Hbomberguy is ant-comedy. He even looks like Tim Heidecker, the difference is I don't think that's what he's aiming for. He just comes off as a weird pathetic mess with a staggering level of unwarranted self importance.

Isn't he ancom?

any body else want to see a muke vs badmouse debate? Anarchism vs Leninism would be good to watch and give both of them some experience in 'friendly' territory

My only problem with him is that he defends feminists even when they do not deserve it. I mean, defending fucking Anita of all things.

Easy to slate anything, Hbomberguy is the biggest and best left personality on youtube atm, don't blame other people because your autism doesn't let you understand comedy

I used to be very firmly An-com. Whilst I still hold that position since its the one I know best about, I've got a fair interest in Marx and other systems, and I am aware that the Soviet Union was not as the common cliche goes.
My views right now are mixed, but if I ever was going to say something, I'd probably say its just plain Communist I suppose, more so leaning on the workers are exploited and should take control of their lives.
Frankly the thing I've learnt most over 2 years is that anything if better than what we have now, and theres no need to be puritanical about a particular set of beliefs.

Yeeeeeeeeeeah, nah, I'd rather not.

To clarify, more of the sort of workers taking the control, I have my issues with the vanguard

Enjoy the gulag, mouse boy.

Yeah I see that, but he is prob the biggest leftist personality on youtube atm so I see past that for now, its took him to this new year to start going for PJW and sargon, he is kinda 9 months too late

This. I'd actually be fine with left/right debates, if the debaters decided on a specific topic, knew the basis of their opponent's position and arguments, and it was refereed like it's supposed to.

why is it that every time someone says they don't like Hbomberguy, someone gets salty

I mean the people who like him for shitting on reactionaries is one thing but you're getting assblasted for people thinking his humor sucks.

You're the one getting your shit pushed in.
You need to look at the bigger picture

Only when all females are macho, with penis sized clitorii and all men submissive, with shriveled ingrown wieners, is true gender equality achieved.
>implying cute is bad

Why do you think sargon avoiding debating with you?
I had a look at his "debates" and he keeps them echo chamber

It's not really surprising that one of his ardent defenders has nothing to fall back on but variations on "you're stupid."

Isn't he supposed to debate Muke soon?

I have heard that, but I honestly think he will back out - coward.

I am not him, but I can shed a small amount of light on it. Sargon has built up an image and a fanbase reliant on "SOSHMALIMS IS WHEN DA GUBBERMENT STEALS THE MONEYS!!!". He outright spreads misinformation about socialism and then backs out of debate when he realizes he's wrong, which I assume is fear of losing viewers.

For example, a bunch of namefags from here once offered to debate him on collectivism, and gave him reading material. If I remember this right, he agreed at first, then, presumably when he actually read what they had sent, pussied out with "H-ha cancelled indefinitely b-because reasons!". He has a history of doing this.

Also, according to a bro of mine, he once, during a stream, went for the "Hahaha dumb socialists they are all just angry teens from tumblr!", put on a video that he thought was an SJW vid, but was actually an explanation of forms of socialism, and then freaked out, stopped the video, and muted chat when people started agreeing with IT and not him. That's something I can't attest to, though.

freudian slip.

he has already pushed the day back. it was supposed to have already happened and then Muke tweeted him about it and Sargon was all "oh yeah, can we move that forward I'm just so busy"

Please God, no. Don't get me wrong, I like Muke, but he's a bad debater, and losing to Sargon of Cukkad would be even more embarrassing than losing to nazis.

This. Muke could one day have what it takes to bring down Carlgon, but he lacks the experience for now. He should debate smaller/dumber youtubers first, like Molymeme.

don't read too much leftypol and think that you have to change your identity every two weeks.

oh and what common cliché do you refer to?

Yeah I have been paying attention to him, his videos he released about Milo he put on alternative channels rather than his own.

He is just an alt-right guy in denial, he was riding the back on some pewdiepie drama recently and got followed and a video share, he has a small window of money/fame it will dry up soon after his 15min

Is Molyneux even debatable, or is he just going to sperg the fuck out, lie, and shout "NO YOU'RE WRONG YOU JUST WANT THE GUBBERMINT TO DO STUFF!"? He seems the type.

That's precisely what he'd do

youtube.com/watch?v=5Du-wt_aVpI

Has any of these youtubers you keep posting debated even once? Everytime I click on something here it's a ridiculous piss contest.

Badmouse is part of the canon of lefty youtubers who haven't really read that much theory but make videos about theory.

that is a debate on youtube. 2 People who probably don't even know what the other person ideology is apart from strawman versions of it shouting "no, you're wrong" at each other until the more snarky one 'wins' at the end

Yes, lol. Sargon has been involved in several debates, though backed out of just as many, and Molyneux has even debated Chomsky.

Yep, this. Fucking embarrassing.

He makes good propaganda that is understandable to newcomers. He isn't anarchopac but he doesn't cater to the same audience.

I recommend watching this youtube.com/watch?v=tn4FWqNNQuk before watching the debate, it makes it easier to see where the guy's coming from.

wew such free thinker

I suppose the sort of 'soviet union was terrible and killed billions because it was inherently bad' sort of thing without going into nuance.

Well, if he wants to avoid discrediting himself he should read before engaging in long winded "debates".


Eyyy

Bookchin memes are better tbh wit chu famatron

Holy shit. All his vids are about Molyneux. Literally all of them

This shit goes back for years too.

wow you sound like PJW, get back to Holla Forums fag

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GET UP, YOU SON OF A BITCH. CUZ user LOVES YOU!
youtu.be/RC6sMFbL288?t=3m11s

He's your stereotypical low-energy, low-test, wishy-washy anarkiddie. I lost count of the times he said "Well that's what people told me" or "this is what I've heard", and when he's asked specifics on an issue he just rambles and verbally shits his pants with constant sighing that reached parody levels since he doesn't actually understand the topic at hand. Any idiot can debate on an imageboard where you've got unlimited time in between posts to google something you don't quite understand, and can spend as much time as you want perfectly structuring your sentences in a coherent manner so that you get the false impression that you're more eloquent than you really are.

Take this same idiot, hand him a microphone, and force him to have that argument in real-time and this is what you get. This is a lesson I hope all of you take to heart.

Agreed. That being said, this wasn't a "debate". You have time to prepare for a debate. Being unable to string sentences together doesn't mean you're stupid. I'm not sure if you are the analytic Marxist (in which case you're going to disapprove of what I'm about to say), but Zizek isn't great at having a contentious, continuous conversation but I wouldn't call him stupid.

Can't say the same for Badmouse. He seems like an average bloke but he should've realized that engaging in debate on a topic you have meme-tier knowledge of is bound to end in failure. I have absolutely no idea why he accepted the "Pol Pot killed guys with glasses therefore you're bourgeoisie" without a fight.

Not that it fucking matters but he pretty clearly isn't "low-test". Look at that hairline and hairiness.

He's pretty fucking weak. Low test is just the term people use.

At 30:00 or so Distributist makes a good point about factory management.

How the fuck DOES a democratically elected factory and system of factories cooperate with each other?

How right-wing is Distributist anyway? I haven't watched any of their videos yet, are we talking lite right-wing or reactionary dribble?

Traditionalist. Like an actual one instead of some cunt who read about Evola on wikipedia.

Catholic almost socialism (distributism) and traditionalism, so i guess right wing lite?

democratically elect a manager

All I can say is badmouse is a lovely man and I would love to spend a night playing vidya with him

So probably almost neo-reactionary. Yeah I'm good, thanks for the heads up.

If you think it's a good idea to enter in a public argument/debate (with a potentially massive audience) on a topic you don't understand while also being unable to string sentences together on the fly, I would argue that's strong indicator of stupidity as you're more likely to damage the cause you're advocating than win any support.
YOU'RE OUT OF LINE

But seriously, Zizek makes up for any verbal shortcomings with charisma and charm, both of which are extremely important when it comes to public speaking, and both of which mouse is fully lacking.


I'm specifically talking about his behavior, as he's demonstrating nearly all of the mental and emotional symptoms of low testosterone. Pic related. That hairiness is due to what appear to be Mediterranean genes. He could perfectly pass as a Greek or Turk.

Zizek has publicly debated far more intimidating and eloquent figures than whatever chucklefuck badmouse just lost to.

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No I know. I was just making a general statement. Badmouse, Muke, etc should all really rethink further "debates" they might get into. Badmouse should be glad this wasn't with Sargon, because he is much better at polemics than Mr. Catholic reactionary.

I agree.

Your response to Sargon was pretty good though.

Those are all generic symptoms common to several psychological disorders ranging from depression to schizophrenia.

Dropped. Come back after reading Hegel for four years in the mountains.

what's actually wrong with Anita? I watched a few of her videos back in the day, didn't really agree with a lot of it but she didn't seem like an 'SJW'

Just a bunch of moralist virgins that are buttmad she fucked her way into the gaming industry.

Damn Mouse, I thought you hated Holla Forums. You should post more often. Also guys, telling him to read isn't very productive, as his dyslexia makes it very difficult for him to read. Give him videos or audiobooks on theory. Anyways mouse, failure is nothing to be afraid of. One only really fails if they don't learn from their experiences. Use this to improve yourself and you'll be fine. Your videos are fantastic btw.

Well, someone finally called it.

she is a scam artist with a victim complex

I thought gamergate was fucking retarded, but this is true. Surprise, surprise, people don't like it and act out when you lie and misrepresent footage to suggest that they are something they aren't.

He Thinks sargons a Liberal, no wonder you are such a fucking mess at debating.

sargon's a lib lol

he is a radical centrist

Except most of that shit was mad exaggerated and most of her vids turned out to actually be entry level critical analysis that was only novel by virtue of the novelty of the medium she focused on. Nothing to freak out about or even talk about for anyone who's experienced critical analysis before, but I wouldn't expect anyone involved in GG to be well read enough to know what that's like anyway.

This is your first time debating, don't take it to heart
Everyone gotta start from somewhere

Doesn't matter, bro. Once somebody has lied once, it muddies the waters, and most perceiving themselves to be at the receiving end of the lie will dislike the liar. Gotta admit, though, I chuckled hard when I heard some of the crap that came out of her mouth.

Polite sage, because this doesn't contribute to the topic at hand at all.

hbomberguy is actually really bad. Not to mention an ultra-idpol

Alright, one minute in and I already know this is going to hurt.

Refer to:


Not every attempt can be a win, so don't beat yourself up over a single flub. Venture to do better instead, or attempt to find peace in not debating people.

On that note: don't fall into the imageboard rhetoric of having to prove your capabilities. Just be you, that was appeal in the first place.


I absolutely adore Zizek, but he is terrible at debating. He'd be laughed out of any formal debate before finishing his introductory thought. Good example of a great theorist, but awful debater.

Are you implying the Schniffmeister wouldn't pull out amazing comebacks from the corner of his shirt he tugs on?

Apart from her being a dishonest cunt about the games she reviews and claiming that games cause sexism, nothing, I guess.
She is totally an SJW.

poetry

Meh it's no skin off my back either way but personally I haven't seen any clips of her lying that weren't taking her out of context and then ironically claiming that it was her ignoring the context of the game she was reviewing. I also hate that pointing this out makes someone some SJW by transitive property when everyone attacking her in the first place revels in "muh rational logicks" as if they were giving her a fair shot in the first place.

If any of them had any intellectual integrity they'd just call her work shallow freshman level pablum (which it is) and move on instead of sperging out about some underlying morality issues that don't exist.

But he has been in debates and clearly doesn't do as badly as you're making out

youtube.com/watch?v=cE25ylnviks

youtube.com/watch?v=q2aV0o4PjGM

Any of his common stunts would either earn him a strike or his point being overturned over a technical foul. Especially his tendency to waffle on length about a subject, stringing together loosely connected points. This doesn't fly.

There's also the problem that he has very little, if any, substantiation of his theories. A lot of what he claims to be sources are non-existent or inflated. This is prime picking for an opponent - not to mention that, depending on the involvement of the moderator, lack of sources can lead to a point being overturned as well.

Again: great theorist, but wouldn't be able to hold his own in a formal debate.


Moderator != formal debate. Formal debate implies there's a set of rules the participants have to abide by.
It's arguable the first video you linked even counts as a debate, let alone a formal one.

Also, Zizek's media-performance in the second video is pretty bad. At least he's not 'eh'-ing as much as he has been doing lately.

Sadlouse BTFO

How can he ever recover?

Right after that the guy asks Badmouse to describe what of Marxism he agrees with, and he says "well, the thing about proletariat and the bourgeoisie". I'm fucking crying.

Mouse, if you happen to still be reading this, can you tell me if you've ever read single text on Marxism with more than, say, 100 pages? Because you're describing yourself as an Anarcho-Communist Marxist-Leninist and it's getting really hard to believe you're doing anything other than throwing as many buzzwords and soundbites as possible, without knowing really what they mean or even the thought process behind them.

Assuming the answer is no, can you then tell me why would you even bother describing yourself as a Communist? Because I see this all the time, people who adhere to a fringe, radical political philosophy without even knowing what it stands for, and I can't really understand it.

Right, I'm not saying Zizek is some god-tier debater or anything. I'm more saying that, even though his personality doesn't lend itself to debate much like BMouse, he still clearly does leagues better against more eloquent people. It's not a personality thing it's a practice/comfort thing.

And just like fucking Muke, as soon as "things have improved without revolution" argument is brought up, he suddenly becomes a Social-Democrat lmao

Ah, then I misunderstood your sentiment; thank you.
I agree! In fact: I would like to emphasize there is a lot aspiring public figures can learn from Zizeks overall performance. BadMouse included.

No. Just no.

The reason BM hasn't read theory is because he has dyslexia and it's really difficult for him to concentrate on text. He has literally made an entire video explaining this.
So considering he hasn't read theory; his videos on explaining socialism are actually really good.

I have ADD and have learned tons of theory from audiobooks while doing other activities - coupled with testing myself on base concepts after. I know it's not exactly the same issue but clearly there are workarounds if he intends this as a serious or even semi-serious pursuit.

Yeah, if only technology had reached the point where people who suck at reading could find hundreds of hours of lectures, podcasts and audiobooks somewhere to make up for it

I also have dyslexia and just listen to audio books and talk to myself aloud about the book and the concepts so it's like a conversation and sinks in better

You guys are overcomplicating anyway. This kind of thing can be avoided by:

1. not being led by the opposition (make sure to ask your own counterquestions instead of answering one after another putting you on the defensive)
2. studying the opponent more specifically (you have to go in ready to take down x philosophy not just assuming you know everything about everything)
3. looking up common areas of dispute between your represented ideology and the one you're debating (allowing you to present these axioms upfront and putting yourself a nose ahead by default of your apparent knowledge lead)

Theory obviously helps but you NEED to take your opponent seriously, literally, and hold them to their ideological identification/allegiance. Don't let a libertarian fight you as a typical conservative.

This is the fault of the retards who actually believe in diamat and make it seem like a credible theory to both outsiders and new-leftists.

man why is it that only the lefties who haven't read enough have been debating recently. On the one hand I'm curious about what happened in the debate, on the other hand I don't think I'd learn much from listening to an hour of this.

Oh boy, this video will be worth watching

It's just very stuttery and cringey, I wouldn't try to learn much from it except to find out what the typical arguments used by this kind of opponent are

Nope, it's the fault of the retards who haven't done their research but still want to have an opinion about it, like you and Mouse.

Whoah, social change happens because of social interaction on both a micro and macro scale. Thank you papa Stalin! Any more sociological truisms?

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yeah. what I'm saying is I wish that some of the more well-read comrades here would do more debates. The last big one I remember was Xerox and the TRS guys but since Xerox couldn't counter a lot of the normie points they were leveling at him, they never got to a lot of their better arguments. I think Comrade Pierre had a convo with them in the comments section that was a lot more interesting.

I feel bad for BadMouse. I've been in his shoes quite a lot arguing with people irl (especially when I became an anarkiddie and thought I finally understood everything). But eventually I learned that if you haven't read much, there's really no point to debating people. The best-case scenario is that you win, but the you haven't learned anything. And of course if you lose you feel like shit for a couple weeks after.

Problem is, the kind of people better suited for debate have other commitments and are also the people who wouldn't be invited to debate anyway as the personalities for "make amusing youtube content" and "would win a debate" are more distinctive than people realize.

Yeah, but there's still a range within the entertainers group. I mean the TRS guys were at least fairly literate and I'd assume this guy is too though I haven't watched his vids. Even on our side there's Pierre, Reb, AW, Yui, and those sorts. I know they're all controversial figures here because they're assholes and pretend to know more than they actually do, but I'd at least say they'd probably be better at holding their ground in a debate than a lot of the people from here doing debates recently.

It seems like the anti-SJ crowd is a lot more conscious of who they're inviting to debates. Even sargon has eventually learned he can't bite off more than he can chew after trying to debate with an actual professor. I just don't understand why it's always the new kids on our side who get into these debates with people who have more experience. It's seems like a wasted opportunity that the namefags who have read more don't debate.

Ok, as someone who has done quite a bit of public speaking and some debate, I'll tell you that knowledge is less than half of the battle unless you are literally Chomsky tier and can ramble off a million detailed sources and references on every topic. Otherwise, you have to rely on personality, tone, and strength of voice much more than on detailed knowledge of theory.

People like Sargon are especially illustrative because, to be as blunt as possible, the man is a dunce. But his voice is better and calmer and he comes off more articulate than people like Pierre who may know more. I don't think the problem is those guys are "assholes" they're just not good speakers.

fair enough.