Best friend is a Liberal

What am I doing wrong, Holla Forums? I have known these fuckers for years, and I have only slid them leftward slightly. at least I purged the Fascist sympathies from my Liberal friend, but that's about it.

Any advice on communist indoctrination?

a year of reeducation perhaps

pick one

stop seeing the world as an RPG, it's not mages vs tanks,like it's not humans vs orcs

You need to tell them to google murray bookchin

Peak autism

Dude I would kill for a liberal best friend. All of my friends are conservative as fuck, Trump apologists, testosterone politics, all that. Anytime they talk about anything political I just say I'm not into politics.

I'm sure murray bookchin is better than this. He has to be.

I'm a Leninist and all my friends are right wing libertarians and ancaps.

They are pretty set in there ways, but I tell them my point of view and they mostly agree.

The Anti-Authoritarian Right is kinda hit in miss, but in my case they would be willing to work with Communists/Leftists in a Revolution against the modern Capitalist state in America.

I couldn't castrate myself like that. Grow a spine, if your friends exile you because of your views they haven't been your friends anyway

Being an unrelatable anarkiddie and missing the point entirely. Indoctrination is shit, because as soon as people find out you've been lying to them, they're going to either become completely disenfranchised and apathetic nihilists who aren't interested in revolution, or they're going to flip and go to the other side.

If you're extremely eloquent, it's quite easy to BREAK THE CONDITIONING :^🍀🍀🍀 convert succdems into ultra pro-gun lolberts with good arguments and statistics if you're able to converse without spilling your spaghetti. This will instill in them an extreme distrust of the state. From there you can gradually lead them down the path towards true communism by explaining how the state and capitalism are completely entwined, and how all of the terrible things happening in the West right now can be traced back to late stage capitalism. It may take a while, but they'll eventually come around as they realize that ancapistan is an unworkable fantasy and communism is inevitable.

But seriously, the 2nd half is good advice, I could probably pull that off with a little effort.


Guy refuses to stick an ideology to himself, and what I know is that he is a statist and extrmely capitalist, so all I can call him is a capitalist statist, as that's what he is.

Be an ultra tankie and make sure to start all your rants with how much you hate Obama and Hillary and maybe you'll get somewhere. Testosterone politics is all about aesthetics anyway so you can get away with being a macho tankie LARPer

You misspelled "socdem"

I've been slowly but surely converting my coworker from ignorant malcontent to anti statism and anti capitalism.
After that it'll be easy to "suggest" an alternative to them.

Appeal to them on a personal level and focus on the flaws within capitalism rather then your vision for how society should be.

Strategies I've had success with:

1. Converting apolitical people by explaining that monied interests are why politics seems so hopeless and nothing can ever get done. Many apolitical people are so because they see the system as hopelessly corrupted and impossible to change explain that this results from the disproportionate influence of the rich. "Is true democracy possible when there are ulra-rich people who inevitably acquire an unequal amount of influence?"

2. Despook people on private property by beginning by talking about natural resources. "Do you really think its fair that our countries oil, minerals etc. are used to make corporations(and foreigners) rich?" "Does it really make sense that an individual can extract from a mine because they paid off a corrupt government to own it?"

3.Talk to artsy people about how much art is undervalued and cheapened in capitalist society. "Do you really think profitability is how we should be deciding which art is worthwhile." It is insane how effective this is most artists are already latently leftist and many are poor. If you tell them that artists hard life in modern day society comes from capitalism they will become very rabid. Many of my artsy friends have become more extreme then I am and "jokingly" talk about killing cops now.

4. If you are younger talk about how our generation has no future link this to the neoliberal trend in policy. "Our parents seemed like they had it a lot easier, what changes in govt. policies, and income distribution could have caused this."

5. Don't be afraid to convert people to socdem with the example of Nordics. From their take them further left by explain how reforms are inevitably undermined as long as the rich maintain the influence their property gives them.

6. Many you people and especially women, care a lot about the environment. Explain how capitalism will inevitably exacerbate this problem . (read bookchin on this if you don't understand why)

7. Convert libertarians to mutualism.

Also I have a couple tankie friends, one of whom is a rabbid Stalinist, putinist, Maoist etc. (Just the personality, he'd rather ignorant about the ideologies)
And their dismissal of anarchism as a goal and acceptance of state tyranny pisses me off.

My group of friends grew up to be either apologist liberals (which can be annoying, but is totally fine) or idpol SJWs. It's not that bad, man.

Think I just became a tankie.

I advise you put the politics away and enjoy your friends and gf. Worker's revolution is glorious but what is really gonna make you happy is having loving and caring friends.

Why the everliving fuck would you try to turn socdems who probably already have some animosity towards corporations to lolberts? How is that the easier path than demonstrating that even their favorite socdem/policies work in favor of business?

It's extremely effective. The meme that lolberts tend to slide towards fascism is actually true, but that's because they don't have a guiding hand leading them to the correct conclusion.. As long as you're able to fulfill that role as the guiding hand, you're fine.


Because you need to build up that transition with a rock solid foundation, or they're vulnerable to just getting flipped again. Lolbertarianism is the perfect jumping off point for Burgers.

That is not what he is suggesting. Read about the differences between first and second nature.

But what if they're not autistic?

But to be serious for a moment I've already flipped plenty of socdem bernie lovers and at no point was libertarianism a viable or convincing option for argumentation.

I think the issue here is you have kind of an idealized version of what lolberts believe in your mind. You can unfuck an ANcap, but you can't unfuck an anCAP, if you catch my drift. And you'll be surprised how many of those types are just expressing their devotion to capitalism and only hate the government as it relates to its perceived interference in the free market (pbuh).

It might be effective, but I consider lolbertarians perhaps the most infuriating of all political ideologies. The mix of utopianism and unabridged selfish-cruelty manages to hit just the right spot.
though that might just be my latent social democrat/Keynes fanboyism speaking.

Still talking to them? You have us, user.

Do what I do:

Don't get too much involved in politics but do subtly drop a thorough critique of the capitalist system and its fake democracy, complete with geopolitical background, whenever people arrive at a point where they say "well this doesn't fix it but that doesn't fix it either".

Whenever people are at a point where they don't know who to blame, you have an open goal to put the blame wherever you like with a plausible sounding argumentation. Bonus points for being actually right and well read.

No need to explicitly state what you are or what you think, just keep hammering away at the foundations of their beliefs.

Flipping dumbfuck brocialists isn't hard, though. Give me three months and I could turn them into unironic 14/88 neetsoc LARPers.


Not at all. As you said, lolberts exist on a spectrum :^).
I would argue that you can semi-permanently unfuck anyone, it's just a matter of convincing arguments that can't adequately be refuted by the opposition. It's easier if they're already disillusioned with capitalism, but that isn't a requirement by any means. I can't stress this part enough though, you have to use rock solid arguments, because if they can just google something you've said and find some asshole (who may not even be right) saying something that appears to blow you the fuck out on that position, you're going to lose credibility and your position is going to be weakened if you didn't base everything you said on easily sourced studies and stats.

Another common mistake is feeling like you've got to have an answer for everything, which can lead you into making bad arguments based on feels, that can again backfire and cause you to lose credibility.

No offense, but this seems a fairly naive view of human belief. It's simply not the case that people listen to strongly reasoned arguments above all or pay close attention to evidence. They can easily be swayed by badly formed and badly argued points if they're just delivered in the correct way.

As I said in my first post, you've got to be a good speaker. Of course if you just rant like a sperg and can't communicate your arguments and stats in an interesting manner to where they don't want you to stop talking, then yes, you're going to have issues with knowledge retention.

I'm not coming at this from a theoretical point of view, I've put this strategy into practice with a 100% success rate.

Best fucking feeling when you overhear a conversation between a co-worker you converted arguing about a topic you've educated them on, and they whip out some stats you didn't even know about because they were so interested they went and did an autistic amount of research on the subject