Team Fortress 2 Vintage: Hotpockets get out edition

Lincoln Martinez
Lincoln Martinez

Old thread is bumplocked and near-death, so here's a new one.

TF2V, what is it?
TF2V is a "pre-mannconomy" version of TF2 without the visual clutter and bloat. The only QoL additions is Pyro's airblast and the Engineer building carry. As well as additions of stock gamemodes such as Payload, KotH and Arena.

Downloads

Full game:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage

Mirrors:
Current full build (V2.5): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1gXHJCkdUUONmhiMXF5VjJVbUk
Current patch (V2R1 to V2.5): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1gXHJCkdUUOa3VXd2d6NFEtcWM
Current Server files (V2.5): https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1gXHJCkdUUOZVRBMVlXVWRiVFE

TF2V GIT REPO
https://github.com/TF2V/TF2Vintage

Server
memesystem - Team Fortress 2 vintage
173.17.10.105:30001

Primetime is usually 3pm EST and sometimes around 10pm EST

All urls found in this thread:
http://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1gXHJCkdUUONmhiMXF5VjJVbUk
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1gXHJCkdUUOa3VXd2d6NFEtcWM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1gXHJCkdUUOZVRBMVlXVWRiVFE
https://github.com/TF2V/TF2Vintage
https://archive.fo/4rSez
https://archive.fo/vjsGX
https://archive.fo/2ig5u
https://archive.fo/rbfQ1
https://archive.fo/o9dvh
https://archive.fo/gc3Ni
https://archive.fo/QEzFW
https://archive.fo/OK747
https://archive.fo/F3k6k
https://archive.fo/ambLC
https://tf2maps.net/threads/whalerace.11224/
http://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage/downloads/team-fortress-2-vintage-v29
http://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage/news/setting-up-a-tf2v-server
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_creep
http://poal.me/dl7beo
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/May_21,_2008_Patch
http://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage/downloads/team-fortress-2-vintage-v29
https://mega.nz/#!mBEzwToA!xO5nd5P_pEPqUm0A5dkSHImPX8_FrFS6-C0Kq2w1p18
https://pastebin.com/8GMQPSSy
Alexander Wood
Alexander Wood

First for him

Cooper Jones
Cooper Jones

Get in here fuckers we're playing video games

Alexander Foster
Alexander Foster

pre-mannconomy

So theres new weapons right?

Christian Roberts
Christian Roberts

Dev wanted "pre mannconomy", players wanted "vanilla", so no.

Eli Scott
Eli Scott

new weapons arent completely off the table (or so i heard) but the dev wants to focus on polishing the game and making it work

Matthew Butler
Matthew Butler

2v2 and its switching to pl_redship

Thomas Stewart
Thomas Stewart

Fuck! Oh well i just wanted to play with other weapons before they got nerfed so hard that only 20% of them are usable imo.

Ayden Mitchell
Ayden Mitchell

well again, not completely off the table. First the game, then the content i guess

Caleb Smith
Caleb Smith

forget the steam revemu post

Oliver Lewis
Oliver Lewis

going 5v5

Brayden Murphy
Brayden Murphy

Does tf2vintage have Unusual Specialized Kill Streak Sophisticated Sufficiently Lethal Horseless Headless Horsemann's Headtakers?

Isaiah Nelson
Isaiah Nelson

no, now fuck off you tau loving faggot

Camden Howard
Camden Howard

that was a confusing but fun map

Ryder Cooper
Ryder Cooper

Is there hats yet?

Elijah Flores
Elijah Flores

Where are the hats?

Matthew Flores
Matthew Flores

I din do nuffin

Elijah Baker
Elijah Baker

When are hats going to be added?

Justin Rodriguez
Justin Rodriguez

I would be OK with certain on-style hats but I think that defies the purpose of TF2V, if you ask me though, I would be trying to migrate the whole game onto a reliable engine.

Dylan Rivera
Dylan Rivera

Just put the hats on the guns

Camden Price
Camden Price

hats
I would be OK with certain on-style hats
that defies the purpose of TF2V
not only that, also kills the style of TF2. If anything cosmetic is to be added, it would be the weapon reskins that are in the live game and i will continue to argue that certain taunts are acceptable

Colton Hall
Colton Hall

Taunts would be way better, I assume you talk about taunts that are not related to dissonant stuff like electric guitars and the like.

Isaiah Murphy
Isaiah Murphy

I was mostly thinking about the laugh taunt

Gavin Hernandez
Gavin Hernandez

Some of the dances would be OK if you ask me and some character specific ones I think.

Connor Nguyen
Connor Nguyen

agreed. the specific ones are ok, but the dance ones, while not all of them are cancer, might just be too much

Kevin Stewart
Kevin Stewart

Can anyone find the netcode for nutf2 so we can look at the "fix" they made for hit-registration?

James Lewis
James Lewis

I like the Russian dance personally, the aerobics is stupid, conga is debatable.

Cooper Wood
Cooper Wood

I'm against interactive taunts because it just invites the reddit shitters who want to be "friendly" in game

Xavier Rodriguez
Xavier Rodriguez

8v7 on cp_mountainlab

Carson Rivera
Carson Rivera

regardless of taunts, youll get those "friendly heavies" and "friendly spy crabs". Cancer is cancer.

Evan Fisher
Evan Fisher

Good point, then I guess only the class specific would suffice in some cases, as for the alt weapons, not sure, sometimes I just think some of them should be just incorporated into the stock ones, for example, detonator, flare gun and scorch shot, I think recently some aspects of the quick fix were added to all mediguns, still limited to certain classes if you ask me, not all of them need an upgrade.

But then again, that would be a different TF2 branch on itself.

Austin Torres
Austin Torres

I want the spycrab taunt just for the sake of taunting after kills.

Jace Johnson
Jace Johnson

But then again, that would be a different TF2 branch on itself.
exactly, one thing at a time. im sure the devs know what they're doing.

The spycrab taunt is already in the game. As a spy taunt with the disguise kit until you get it, it never was its own thing, just a disguise kit taunt that randomly occurs

Joshua Diaz
Joshua Diaz

Stop with the meme maps.
They download slow as fug and are hit and miss.

Aiden Morales
Aiden Morales

stop with the meme maps
gay

Anthony Anderson
Anthony Anderson

More meme maps
They funny.

Cameron Reed
Cameron Reed

https://archive.fo/4rSez
https://archive.fo/vjsGX
https://archive.fo/2ig5u
https://archive.fo/rbfQ1
https://archive.fo/o9dvh
https://archive.fo/gc3Ni
https://archive.fo/QEzFW
https://archive.fo/OK747
https://archive.fo/F3k6k
https://archive.fo/ambLC

Eli Collins
Eli Collins

Vaporwave one is great

Jacob Ramirez
Jacob Ramirez

I made a thing for the moddb page.

Ayden Hughes
Ayden Hughes

nice, replaced the header on the mod page with it

Ryder Wright
Ryder Wright

keep trying to play
forget I'm shit and make my team lose
quit

Leo Baker
Leo Baker

Don't give up user! Keep practicing and you'll get better!

Ayden Hall
Ayden Hall

Gotta try that's all there is too it. It's something I miss about old community servers, even shit players coming in got good because you were meeting the same people day in and day out.

Nathaniel Smith
Nathaniel Smith

Where v3

Ryder Hernandez
Ryder Hernandez

TF2V is a "pre-mannconomy" version of TF2
Confirmed for moving away from vanilla eventually?

Liam Jackson
Liam Jackson

NEVER EVER

The point was always pre-mannconomy, but that doesnt mean that the option to go full stock will be removed.

Ryan Smith
Ryan Smith

Is there anyone online right now?

Colton Baker
Colton Baker

I'm up to join if others are.

Isaiah Gonzalez
Isaiah Gonzalez

2.9 might be out this weekend. 3 is just new binaries.

Dylan Flores
Dylan Flores

My push for v3 is just a means of me locking out the TF2C people from just renaming the folder to connect since if the class files differ they can't connect

Christopher Williams
Christopher Williams

Uh OH

Wyatt Martinez
Wyatt Martinez

missing map X, disconnecting
how do i fix this

Landon Barnes
Landon Barnes

B.Y.O.B.
that better be the SOAD song

Luke White
Luke White

eh its ok, but it aint SOAD.

Aiden Edwards
Aiden Edwards

SOAD?

Adrian Murphy
Adrian Murphy

https://tf2maps.net/threads/whalerace.11224/

Sebastian Campbell
Sebastian Campbell

SODA

David Howard
David Howard

Is Wacky Races in yet?

Dylan Williams
Dylan Williams

muh armenian genocide

Noah Davis
Noah Davis

crashes
fugg

Ian Harris
Ian Harris

crashes
Same here. Cant load.

Jonathan Russell
Jonathan Russell

System Of A Down

Bentley Morris
Bentley Morris

Memeserver is still VAC secured for some reason

I ain't touching this game until there's at least one non-VAC server to play on.

Aiden Stewart
Aiden Stewart

switch models to medium

Aaron Brown
Aaron Brown

recording time?

Alexander Jenkins
Alexander Jenkins

they are

Easton Smith
Easton Smith

VAC just prevents cheating you whiner you can still use non-steam clients to play

Evan Clark
Evan Clark

Willingly allowing (((secretive proprietary software))) that you have no clue what it is or what it's doing to run on the server on a game where the versions in use as a clusterfuck all the way back to V1

This game is dead to me until non-VAC servers exist.

Julian White
Julian White

Why would anyone cater to people who don't want anti-cheat?

Oliver Reyes
Oliver Reyes

whelp gotta wait then.

To be fair originally both servers didn't have VAC enabled. This guy is just a whinger

Logan Price
Logan Price

Which is when it was great because there was no VAC. The fact VAC is now added and one server only exists now (also with VAC) is bullshit. It was fun earlier to play TF2V when it was just two servers to dick around in, but now that they've become tryhard as shit with (((anti-cheat))) it's not worth it to play it.

Good luck on the rest of your little TF2C knockoff.

Nolan Butler
Nolan Butler

You're acting like a sperg calm down, and if it triggers you host a non VAC server yourself

Dominic Adams
Dominic Adams

there is so much stupid in this post i cant even begin to explain.

Nolan Johnson
Nolan Johnson

If you're worried about vac, wait around 'til serveranon gets off his arse and puts his server back up.

Jonathan Reyes
Jonathan Reyes

My complaint is that the current builds are all over the place, so if the server is running some variant of 2.5 modified then it's a different check than a stock 2.5 which means the player is cheating. When you consider a system that is supposedly perfect and never wrong, it would be bullshit to be permabanned from every source game ever just because of a failed hash check on my game files on a backwater mod on a mongolian sheepherder website.

Isaac Perry
Isaac Perry

thing is it checks on the dll
the increments don't actually change any files nor do they contain malicious code that can execute. There are people still connecting and can connect with V1 clients because the versions outside 3 are nothing but bug fixes

Jace Bailey
Jace Bailey

My complaint is that the current builds are all over the place
it would be bullshit to be permabanned from every source game ever just because of a failed hash check on my game files
Yes, because the 18 people playing yesterday all got VAC banned because each person was using a different build of V2.5.

Jaxson White
Jaxson White

just play it in linux and disable vac or some shit

Joshua Turner
Joshua Turner

won't let me cheat, so you guys must just be tryhards
Good luck on the rest of your little TF2C knockoff

Gee, I really wonder who could be behind this post.

William Cooper
William Cooper

YALL READY

Carson Hernandez
Carson Hernandez

FUGGING CHECKED

Bentley Murphy
Bentley Murphy

(checked)
YES

Jordan James
Jordan James

so if the server is running some variant of 2.5 modified then it's a different check than a stock 2.5 which means the player is cheating.
that's not how VAC works
VAC only scans the engine's executables to make sure they haven't been tampered with

you're not a
CHEATER
are you?

Charles Gonzalez
Charles Gonzalez

http://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage/downloads/team-fortress-2-vintage-v29

SOON

Nicholas Hughes
Nicholas Hughes

Hey guys how easy is it to host a server
An user a few threads ago said something like putting the files in the source dedicated server folder and running a .bat but I couldn't get it to work
Ive port forwarded, set the ip to static and all that jazz, I've hosted minecraft and halo online servers no problem. I just can't set this shit up.

Charles James
Charles James

http://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage/news/setting-up-a-tf2v-server

Jaxson Carter
Jaxson Carter

I still want a hat
Cold Snap Cap.

Jeremiah Roberts
Jeremiah Roberts

Legend, thanks mate
I probably could have found that myself but I'm at work rn so didn't get a chance to

Samuel Lopez
Samuel Lopez

wanting shitty all class cosmetics
wanting anything from end of the line

Nicholas Wright
Nicholas Wright

Australia server host up, I'll try keep it up as much as possible [s]if people actually play on it[/s]

Do plugins or whatever work with TF2V? If so which ones should I download, also how do I allocate more ram to the server? I have little clue as to what I'm doing, but at least the servers showing up in the browser.

Dylan Bennett
Dylan Bennett

Needing hats

Some do, shit like the voting system and whatnot. We had a user named pip try and set up a meme map server that was shit like dodgeball, but we coulnd't figure out what was wrong with the set up so for plugins you may have to do some guess work

Cameron Brown
Cameron Brown

What's the IP and port?

Camden Perry
Camden Perry

There we go, could have sworn I recorded redship

Brody Nelson
Brody Nelson

naw, you said you would the round after redship

Come join guys, playing barnblitz

Lincoln Nguyen
Lincoln Nguyen

weird. Sorry for the audio loss it happens because I have to answer all those lovely steam messages.

Tyler Adams
Tyler Adams

disguising as the scout
What the fuck are you doing?

Anthony Rivera
Anthony Rivera

Jump around like a retard, also it's viable when there's like 4 scouts, not to mention the scout is hunched over misplacing the head hitbox, sine all that changes is the model when disguised retard snipers will aim for the scout's head instead of where the spy's head really is

Angel Rogers
Angel Rogers

Did you mute the mic spammer? You fucking philistine!

Matthew White
Matthew White

I always do because I like to hear things other than low quality music pumped through a routed sound channel.

Jose Lee
Jose Lee

low quality
One day I hope you'll learn to appreciate the finer things in life

Jaxon Cooper
Jaxon Cooper

"No weapons should be allowed" and "the game is pre-Mannconomy" in the same sentence is delusional

Nolan Brooks
Nolan Brooks

yes and no
pre-mannconomy also includes things like airblast and building hauling, as well as things like Payload, KotH and Arena. Your focus on weapons and hats outs you like an idiot

Chase Young
Chase Young

I spent so many hours, probably over 1k, on TF2 years ago, even after mannconomy. It was my daily go to, and it was what I did with all my free time. When the joy of that game died, I also died inside. Here's hoping this brings at least some of that fun back. I'm not going to be horribly disappointed by Holla Forums communities AGAIN, r-right?

Hudson Lee
Hudson Lee

Nah. The Holla Forums community is actually fun to play with. No bullshit weapons or hat trading makes the game actually feel like a game instead of a trading sim.

Zachary Reed
Zachary Reed

But I said weapons, not hats. Not that there's anything wrong with hats and other cosmetics that actually fit the game's color palette and visual design, ie NOT the thirty fucking billion winter cosmetics. It's actually amazing how many hats stop looking like complete ass if you use one of the team-colors like Waterlogged Lab Coat. Either way I think once the popularity of the game climbs (if it does) then the vanillafags will get a rude awakening as to how many people actually want the entire game being stock-only at the end of the day, going by the glowing popularity of stock-only servers even in TF2's heyday; that is to say, few to none, and sparsely populated. But on the other hand I don't want weapons and fiddling around with their balance to be even approached until shit's not fucked and all the gamemodes work properly, ie no wonky cart-collision on Payload. Until that day when TF2V's shit is not fucked, which is coming along more quickly than I expected it to if I'm honest, I am content to laugh at stock-plebs.

Joshua Gomez
Joshua Gomez

I agree hats that fit the desing should stay but it becomes a slipper slope, same with weapons. Some hats I'd restrict to classes like proof of purchase being solly only since it fits with the motif of a soldier.

Again don't worry about it focus on weapons isn't a thing right now, like you said we're focused on bug fixes and everything in that realm. The last update to vintage according to dev user will be loadout menu being turned back on. Personally I think some weapons should come back albeit tweaked, but it's an easier said than done job if you consider the amount of work under the hood needs to be done to enable things like sandman stun and whatnot. It's not that simple really, and given my dark ages peasant tier understanding of C++ it's a daunting task.

Content to laugh at stock plebs.
Here's my argument for stock;
It's where the game felt like the classes actually mattered ,where you needed a medic get a good push going. Modern TF2 and even pre-mannconomy TF2 started fudging that with things that changed class roles, people opting into weapons that altered how the class played a lot of times to the detriment of their team (battle medics with blaut for example). With stock you have a clear idea of the class coming at you and their role on the battlefield even with players behind the control. Not to mention items added something I personally hate and it's the people who sit in spawn for hours at a time trying to trade for shit. If you gave people these weapons at the start there'd be no point, you'd have your sidegrades and upgrades from the get go, the only implementation I can see working is old TF2 style where you have achievements and achievement milestones that completing them unlock the weapons. Again going back to slippery slope you'd then get groups of people going "why isn't item X, Y, Z in game?" To put it in another way, you give a child something they want, and then the child next to them demands something they want because child A got what they wanted so it's only fair.

In any case If people wanting pre-mannconomy weapons want to stand up and start the framework for code handling those weapons by all means, not only will you get what you want but it will speed up what you want after everything is said and done. Then all devanon or myself owuld have to do is integrate your code, test it and see if the appropriate weapons work. Wall of text done

Jonathan Jenkins
Jonathan Jenkins

TF2V, Zombie Master Reborn, and Ace Attorney Online prove there are some instances where
playing with Holla Forums
can actually be fun and not fucking soul-rending.

Justin Diaz
Justin Diaz

I for the life of me could not figure out how to work the AAO interface, but that's neither here nor there. I guess as long as avatar fags or actual fags don't start showing up, it'll be fine. From the few communities around here that I've seen, those seem to be the biggest red flags.

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

I think Mannconomy was where weapons started getting bad but sticking to pre-Mannconomy or Mannconomy itself for weapons as a baseline would work out well, personally. There's still quite a lot of variety that sticks to class roles there and weapons that didn't even then could feasibly be tweaked, ie absolutely anything that self-heals, isn't related to Medic, and doesn't have a significant penalty for self-heal such as the Sandvich. Also no Demoknight shit since I don't think anybody likes those things that isn't a pubstomper or a shitter.

Trading is a fun thought-exercise if applied to TF2V because all the classical backbones of the economy would not be present, as well as skinner-boxes like keys and crates. Bill's Hat and Max's Head were both promotional items and became the backbone of the TF2 economy as a result of their scarcity, but Bill's Hat is the only one of the two that isn't fuck-ugly (and if it would be included in the first place as anything but a Soldier, maybe Heavy item would be up for debate) and as mentioned they're promotional items. And with everybody being used to 1.33 refined as a baseline for craft-hats, I'd see a reversion back to the actual Mannconomy setup where the lone refined has quite a lot of trade-in value, potentially even moreso since there aren't those backbones. Oh, also that bloody wonderful trade API they had before the move to Steam trading, it just werked.

Actual methods of obtaining those weapons are something I hadn't put thought into; probably craft-recipes and achievement milestones like days of yore since a drop system seems like a bitch and a half to figure out and may or may not need a dedicated server. I do think that just flat-out using Mannconomy or up to the Engineer Update as a baseline for weapons to pick from would solve the slippery-slope about weapons, but its own nature as an open-source project would also have a hand in that; if somebody is insistent on having a weapon in then they can program it in themselves and either make a request to merge it with the master source or start their own fork and be amazed as they're the only person that plays their fork because they couldn't stand the idea of using anything but Black Box.

Adam Powell
Adam Powell

I'd rather have up to engy, because mannconomy introduced shit like the polycount weapons that were stupid.

Again from a coding point adding the weapons is a massive undertaking. even adding the TF_IS_STUNNED would require extra code to dictate whats happening.

Ryan Miller
Ryan Miller

Personally I don't see much of a problem with not having that because the only alt weapons I ever used were the sandman and back burner.

Grayson Jones
Grayson Jones

So when do people usually play? It's completely empty right now, but got to go in, see that it works. Hope there's more than just that one cart map set

Parker Torres
Parker Torres

not wanting all weapons available to their respective classes at all times
Do you play League of Legends or something?

Carter Rogers
Carter Rogers

The only QoL additions is Pyro's airblast and the Engineer building carry.
Wat about upgrading teleport and dispenser?

Joshua Walker
Joshua Walker

That's in too.

Elijah Barnes
Elijah Barnes

Trading is a fun
Fuck off, retard.

Oliver Rivera
Oliver Rivera

That is fucking gay when games do that.
Unlocking shit in multiplayer never works out for the best.

Joseph Harris
Joseph Harris

It's gay when the game doesn't make you buy all the characters and weapons you need to actually play the game?

Evan Green
Evan Green

Cool, this TF2 might be worth playing then.

Noah Moore
Noah Moore

I think you misunderstand
unlocking shit through buying is the same thing as unlocking
shit makes me angry when games do that

Brandon Brown
Brandon Brown

I think an achievement system would work best so it means people who put in effort are rewarded. On the other hand if you have everything from the get go why use anything other than the flash weapons?

Henry Richardson
Henry Richardson

GET IN FAGGOTS

Jonathan Perry
Jonathan Perry

What the fuck.
Okay so here's what I get
2nd guy I'm replying to made word salad reply on purpose
1st guy is aping the guy he's replying to( ) because he has poor reading comprehension and is trying to disagree with someone that agrees with him

Nathan Phillips
Nathan Phillips

Uh, okay. I thought you were mad at me for a second there. Glad we could resolve this misunderstanding.

Liam Russell
Liam Russell

trying to disagree with someone that agrees with him
I wasn't disagreeing though,
maybe I should have made that clear.

Brayden Parker
Brayden Parker

Sadly I'm at work until late in the evening. However seeing as people we're dicussing it ill throw my two cents in as well.

HERE IS HOW YOU ABSOLUTELY FIX THE ISSUE WITH THE WEAPONS
After the game has been polish and made into a proper game, devanon was going to take a look at adding stuff. Up to here its completely understandable for everyone. In fact(as i told devanon before but ill say it here so everyon can see),the way items are added SHOULD be similar to how volvo did it back in the day (IE CLASS UPDATES) This allows the devteam to properly handle and balance every class 1 at a time. So say the first class to be updated is Scout, then a month later Soldier, etc. If devteam were to port ALL the class weapons at once, it would not only take longer, but also be complete mayham to balance.

Loadout and backpack menu of course should be implemented for the sake of the addition of the weapons/taunts/content and organization, however, with these theoretical items comes the question "How do I obtain them?"
drop system
I do believe this is a terrible method because it would only promote idling and bullshit drops (even if you tweak the rates, they would still be 1000% bullshit). Not to mention the technical issues of having a server dedicated specifically for this.
Achivements
Again, a method that promotes shittery. What's stopping someone from farming all the achievements on a private server? Not only that, most TF2 achievements are ridiculous and completely asinine. Its not a terrible idea, it can be improved (as i will state later) but like the drop system its still not the way to go.
Crafting&trading
Trading promotes the garbage that liveTF2 has turned into today. Crafting however can work, but without the drop system to feed this method it becomes useless. If someone brains storms a method to use the crafting system without resorting to random drops and trading, it MIGHT work.
lol just give everyone the items on release
Eh, personally I'd rather WORK for the damn things rather than get free shit.

Now, my idea is:
Grant weapons/items based on playtime or challenges with that specific weapon/class
FOR EXAMPLE
play soldier
want new rocket launcher
have certain challenges on a menu
kill X people with rocket launcher or something or other
have meter fill up under challenge
once challenge is complete and meter full, the player is granted item
Very similar to the Achievement method, however without the need to preform asinine shit to complete them. The only problem I see is that people will make private servers and farm them. Only way to counter it is make it track LIVE PLAYER KILLS and not have it register when bots are killed. That isnt too hard to implement is it?

/walloftext

Joseph Mitchell
Joseph Mitchell

I agree, especially with the latter statement.You could also do things like contracts neat idea implemented poorly that gives you a certain item on completion, just don't make it too grindy like 100000 kills or something

Gavin Evans
Gavin Evans

But like I said, just an idea. don't think it would do too well.

Ryan Thomas
Ryan Thomas

It would be nice to let servers decide whether or not to have all guns unlocked or have user progression enabled, but that would be fucking impossible to code in.

Blake Gomez
Blake Gomez

Contracts are just dynamic achievements tbh. The grind might be necessary just so it isnt too easy to complete, but not too hard. Just to spitball a number:
get 250 rocket kills
complete
get new rocket launcher
Now you could keep it going, have the new rocket launcher also have its own challenge. What would the reward be? lol I dont know. If there are things like purely cosmetic weapons (for example the big kill spy revolver or anything that has stock stats but reskinned) they would have their own side methods, same goes for anything like a taunt or, dare I say, hat.

Brayden Smith
Brayden Smith

Most evenings tend to get some good games going

Jose Clark
Jose Clark

You mean stock only servers? Those would still be a thing.
have user progression enabled, but that would be fucking impossible to code in.
Not really, remember, LiveTF2 already has that with achivements, they wont register/progress if sv_cheats is set to 1. All it would take is to reverse engineer that into "Disable_challenge_progression 1"

Jaxon Hill
Jaxon Hill

Adding weapons is already a fucking pain to do. remember weapons need to be coded.

Logan Lee
Logan Lee

we want a game that retains the original spirit of the game and keeping its artstyle from being cluttered
BUT WE ARE ALSO GONNA RUN MEME MAPS BECUASE THEY ARE """FUN"""

why not just let people wear orbiting cock all class lime green fedoras if you are gonna run these shitty meme maps, becuase you're already fucking the artstyle and the game.

fuck man I just wanna play TF2 without having all this unnecessary bullshit forced on me.

Henry James
Henry James

No, not stock only. Have all weapons unlocked on that one server.
which is why
impossible to code in

Nathaniel Campbell
Nathaniel Campbell

people wanting to play specific maps is the same as building a mod around them

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

Have all weapons unlocked on that one server.
Ah, well if my memory serves, back in the day there used to be server plugins that allowed you to choose and use weapons that you didnt have (even shit like the golden wrench and hats like max's head and the fucking earbuds)
Adding weapons is already a fucking pain to do. remember weapons need to be coded.
That as well, but mod magic has proven effective before.I mean im willing to try my hand at itThat I should succeed, well thats a different story

Hudson Miller
Hudson Miller

people who want new weapons/cosmetics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

people who want to add things like achievements/milestones
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_creep

Please don't try to add anything new. The game is fine as it is. Adding more weapons/items is just going to result in TF2C 2.0. Just focus on making it stable.

That's up to the server owner. If you want pure stock maps, make your own server.

Anthony Johnson
Anthony Johnson

Apparently they also don't run in the map rotation either, they're there if you want to enable them but are inactive so a server that isn't configured won't see them.

Easton Sanchez
Easton Sanchez

Just focus on making it stable.
Of course. That's always the main importance and why I REALLY CANT STRESS THIS ENOUGH WHEN PEOPLE BRING UP HATS/WEAPONS/CRAP.

Jose Carter
Jose Carter

It doesnt matter what the mod is for if the only server available to me runs meme maps that completely defeat the purpose of said mod. If Im gonna play visual clusterfuck shitty gameplay I may as well play main TF2 because at least then I'd be able to make kids cry by playing the game well

Im not sinking money into a server just because the people who are running the already existing servers for a game with less than 20 players are retarded. Im not gonna fucking bother playing anymore because Im NOT gonna be apart of another repeat of TF2C where the people who want to fucking play TF2 are beat out by people who wanna play LOLSORANDUMSHOOTYGAMEONMULTICOLOREDSHITMAPSWITHMEMES. This shit always has and always will be fucking cancer

Adam Harris
Adam Harris

getting this mad
Not only are the meme maps out of rotation, but you can also !nominate and vote for the map you want. If your ass is THAT chapped over not playing the map you want, you can always !rtv. The first time to vote the next map and if you wait a while and !rtv again, then the map will change. Hopefully this will calm your autism down a few notches.

Cameron Gomez
Cameron Gomez

Im not sinking money into a server
Well, that's your own problem then. Quit your bitchin', nigger, and just let things be.

Zachary Jackson
Zachary Jackson

I've never been on for a meme map and I've played several very good games of TF2 on these servers. Have you even played it yet?

Jace Foster
Jace Foster

I see a problem
instead of fixing it myself I want others to do it for me
/leftypol/index.html

Wyatt Watson
Wyatt Watson

They were the most popular meme maps on live TF2, so it makes sense to add a set of optional meme maps to TF2V. When played sparingly they're a fun breath of air.

Charles Sanders
Charles Sanders

the maps existance doesnt matter you can just RTV them!
hats dont matter you can just mod them out!

Its not something that needs "fixing" I just want people to reign in their autism. It starts out with a meme map or two, but then suddenly its the only thing everyone ever votes for. Im just so fucking tired of vanilla being beaten out time and time again because of people who get a 10 second high from playing on shitty maps. If we're gonna go for a less cluttered and standard TF2 experience the playerbase and the server owners need to nut up and accept that maps are just as important as weapons and cosmetics to the experience. I get the same fucking vibe from these faggots who push these maps that I get from the FRIENDLY faggots who wanna force everyone to have fun their inane bullshit way at the expenses of everyone elses fun, and then claim "NO FUN ALLOWED" at anyone who doesnt want to go along with it.

Yeah its a fuckin' minor thing but it gets on my tits nonetheless, and I see it becoming a bigger problem down the road

Sebastian Edwards
Sebastian Edwards

I don't know what you guys are referring to, because in over 10 hours of playing this I have not encountered a single meme map. At worst there were a few underdeveloped amateur maps

Jaxson Cooper
Jaxson Cooper

I think he thinks things like whacky races. The thing is while these maps exist in server rotation they barely ever get picked. Even shit like redship is an actual map instead of meme shit

Michael Johnson
Michael Johnson

Yeah again its not a big deal right now, but its like when some dude starts bringing his girlfriend. Its usually not a big deal at the time but its a sign shits about to go downhill.

Carter Russell
Carter Russell

Name me some mememaps, only one I can think of is the vaporwave one, but I actually like that one

Camden Adams
Camden Adams

still this assblasted
I DO understand your point, but realize that TF2V is STILL a young and in development thing.There arent any alternatives for ANY of us. So at this point you have two options
shut the fuck up, and play the maps regardless of what it is. If you hate mememaps with a burning passion RTV, nominate something else and try to vote it out
make your own fucking server, give people another server option and improve the quality of this mod, even if it is a tinybit

Probably referring to stuff like plr_highertower or anything that isnt vanilla. cp_cloak best map:^)

Nolan Miller
Nolan Miller

forgot to add
IF you still cant get your way, sit the map out until something better comes on

Mason Nguyen
Mason Nguyen

Yep, TF2V now ships with wacky and balloonrace by default since the servers had them on them. Technically ctf_flyingfortresses and cp_orange are also meme maps.

Logan Kelly
Logan Kelly

I did all of this shit for TF2 and Im not gonna do it again. Im trying to fucking warn you all of a potential iceberg ahead. Lets say you do get people from outside Holla Forums. Are they gonna continue voting for the stock maps? Fuck no, they are gonna be going STRAIGHT for the shitty meme maps. You wanna continue the way things are going fine but dont say you weren't warned when shit starts to go south and TF2V becomes another laughing stock like TF2C did, because I fucking warned them too and they didnt listen either and were telling me the same exact bullshit you are spouting.

Samuel Wood
Samuel Wood

Then move to another server? With V3 coming out /v/intage fun is coming back.

Just bitching
If shit goes south people will just make new servers. you wanna be a redditor who sits on his ass and bitch about things then keep doing it.

They'll keep voting for them
Server owner has to add them first and you can't just instantly replay a map/

Jaxon Brown
Jaxon Brown

We should segregate ourselves from the outsiders using separate but "equal" servers

Jose Russell
Jose Russell

Lets say you do get people from outside Holla Forums.
letting people in from outside of Holla Forums

Josiah Hughes
Josiah Hughes

http://poal.me/dl7beo

Jace Miller
Jace Miller

Christ calm the fuck down. I understand what you mean and of course i see the potential dangers ahead. I didnt see the horrors of the TF2C drama here myself, only heard about it later. Again, what other options do we have currently? Sitting here, pissing and moaning about it wont solve the fucking problem.

Charles Richardson
Charles Richardson

atleast 2 people clicking between yes and no rapidly
my fucking sides split

Robert Williams
Robert Williams

neither dev user or myself see no problem. The issue with new people coming in is instead of telling them to "take the current community as it is or leave it" the typical reaction, especially in these threads seems to be nothing short of mental breakdowns.

Remember the rules of a server are what ultimately what you're playing by. So if redditors come in shitting up the server get the op to kick em out. They now have a two choices

Reform and try again or get banned
Make their own cancer containment server

Bentley Gonzalez
Bentley Gonzalez

I was pretty good at cookieclicker.

Owen Lewis
Owen Lewis

Come play anons. It'll be a lot more fun than shitposting about meme maps, promise :^)

Nathan Collins
Nathan Collins

Plus, letting people in means the mod gains popularity, it gets talked about, gains feedback and suggested to play more often. With that also comes potentially more servers and the cancer that is reddit.
I'm all for kicking and banning cancer and reddit on sight but im also for more players, more activity, more servers and more popularity. The only problem I see is scaring away any new potential players because some dickwad decided to go around, act like an asshat, get banned and start shittalking the mod at every possible second on every possible website.

Isaiah Smith
Isaiah Smith

so basically alphablaster 2.0?

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

Anyone up for a game?
All this talk of newfags ruining everything is triggering me.

Dominic Perez
Dominic Perez

Again, wasnt there for most of the TF2C drama but ill just nod and say yes.

Furthermore, this poll is unnecessary tbh.
running a server with barely any player numbers with a password
There is no reason to do this, If TF2V had a constant number of players(regardless of their origins) then yes /v/intage fun can run with a password.
inb4 muh sekrit klub
inb4 muh circlejerk
It's either that or playing with meme spouting undertale/ponyfags when players start pouring in.

Nolan Miller
Nolan Miller

running a server for a game*with barely any player numbers with a password

Adam Powell
Adam Powell

just get on and play, when the mod dies it dies so play while its still alive

Ian Perez
Ian Perez

You should only worry about making a server with password if the game gets gorillions of players. Which I doubt.

Brayden Gonzalez
Brayden Gonzalez

I don't get it. You want the server to have people and be popular, but at the same time you don't because that'll invite cancer? Make up your mind, this is what I mentioned in my first post, Holla Forums communities always cannibalize themselves because they worry over petty shit.
Thanks for the clarification, I wasn't sure if you were talking about a server for a game or not on this video game thread.

Elijah Sanders
Elijah Sanders

just get on and play
Fag, I would love to but im still at work and when I get home I still have shit to do.

I mean think about it like this:
next weekend there is the /radcorp/ gamenight for TF2V
TF2C will probably fail to deliver on actually updating its fucking game and cause a drop in player numbers
LiveTF2 still hasnt had its BIG update and once it hits it'll probably be so shit it makes players quit for good.
If the conditions are favorable that should bring in player numbers, even if they arent massive

You want the server to have people and be popular, but at the same time you don't because that'll invite cancer?
It's not that I cant make up my mind, its more of weighing the pros and cons. I either bite the bullet and accept the facts or sit here on this taiwanese basket weaving forum discussing a potential way to fix and avoid the problems that plagued projects like this in the past.
they worry over petty shit.
The death of a project isnt petty, especially if it can be avoided.
Thanks for the clarification
Just wanted to correct my mistake, is all.

Matthew Cooper
Matthew Cooper

Fix what? an influx of users at worst would cause new servers to open up. No where on the moddb page is there a reference to 8ch.

I'm curious what your fears are because they seem to revolve around the mod becoming popular. and that's where it ends and the huffing and "I literally can't even" begins.

Are you worried they'll impact what gets added? Are you worried about the server being flooded by shitters that will no doubt be kicked and chased out by the veterans (us) and forced to set up their own camp or adapt.

Noah Peterson
Noah Peterson

an influx of users at worst would cause new servers to open up
I think thats a good thing, but of course comes with its problems. Again, weighing pros and cons.
No where on the moddb page is there a reference to 8ch.
Not my fear, muh sekrit klub is the last of my concern.
I'm curious what your fears are
Skinwalkers.
they seem to revolve around the mod becoming popular
Like the previous user mentioned, Holla Forums communities end up cannibalizing themselves. Not just the devs or server owners but the users/players as well. TF2C gets mentioned alot and with good reason, its drama that occured fairly reciently and is still fresh in some people's minds. If whatever happend during that timeframe can be avoided, the better. Even if the specific problems TF2C had arent present, the same issue of Holla Forums communities/projects falling apart is still present.
and that's where it ends and the huffing and "I literally can't even" begins.
Trying to avoid that.
Are you worried they'll impact what gets added?
Not really, because I know that the people that spearhead this project arent complete morons. I'm putting my good faith in this team but nothing lasts forever and shit is bound to change drastically
Are you worried about the server being flooded by shitters that will no doubt be kicked and chased out by the veterans (us) and forced to set up their own camp or adapt.
I'm all for chasing out shitters, but then the so called "Alphablaster 2.0" occurs where you have the shitters go around scaring any new players into thinking the devs and server owners are a bunch of tryhards or purists or whatever insult/term they come up with and use.

basically
get popular thats great
oh a bunch of shitters, we'll shoo them away
<now they've taken to shittalk the game and scare away new players
the popularity and numbers get cut
eventually ends up dying down because of the lack of players and interest
the shitters have dedicated full autism into shittalking and ruining this game for everyone just because they cant stop being autistic for 20 minutes worth of gameplay

Ryan Mitchell
Ryan Mitchell

Ok no I see that, also thanks for the chuckle.

This is the worse case scenario yes, but there is a silver lining. Consider looking at the moddb page. You'd see the mod page manager being friendly and helping with issues. In this day and age people love to shit talk on mod pages, and this is where public appeal can be won by opening discourse. Remember we aren't the left we aren't going to shout down these retards, we're going to show people how retarded the people decrying us are when we go "look let's sit down and talk about what you're bitching about and see where your issue lays."

Then when the retard opens his mouth and outs himself all we have to do is offer a shrug and go "Dunno what to tell you my friend other than these seem to be a YOU problem and not a problem with the mod."

Jayden Reyes
Jayden Reyes

Also a heads up because 2.9 requires a fresh install for clients server owners will need to do the same. my 2.9 client just go rejected for map version mismatch

Brody Brown
Brody Brown

Yes, I briefly took a gander at the moddb page and I did like what I see. That's why I have full confidence in this team and I know they have their heads on track and in the right place. Sure, call me paranoid or autistic for worrying too much about shit like this but history has a tendency to repeat itself.

Carson Jenkins
Carson Jenkins

Not my fear, muh sekrit klub is the last of my concern.
That's good to hear. The "sekrit klub" mentality is what killed TF2C (see; AlphaBlaster)

Jose Ortiz
Jose Ortiz

No I agree with you this is an issue. and with no one daring to make a plebbit account to just drop this in their little cess pit it's probably gonna remain small for awhile. the people who still play TF2C are pretty much the devs and the "beta testers" so pretty much they'll gain no traction really.

Well sekrit club should be exercised to an extent. If we flood the place with idiots it causes an issue. However the mentality we want is "adapt or die" which is adapt to our way of life or fuck right off or make your own little enclave.

Jaxon Rodriguez
Jaxon Rodriguez

it's probably gonna remain small for awhile.
It's for the best while TF2V gets polished.

Elijah Turner
Elijah Turner

10 players on the server

Joseph Nelson
Joseph Nelson

I'll be rejoining. My game just gave me a black screen again and I had to quit out to correct it. I probably need to lower my settings for TF2 to stop this.

Jason Myers
Jason Myers

try setting models to medium. It's a quick and dirty fix for a problem that was corrected in V2.9/3.

Jacob Wood
Jacob Wood

That's the buildings error, change your model quality to medium until 2.9 launches.

Cooper Hill
Cooper Hill

This better be fixed in 2.9

Daniel Gray
Daniel Gray

It is, but you're gonna need to do a fresh install

Jackson Mitchell
Jackson Mitchell

wew. finally back from work ill see if i can play if anyone is still around

Kayden Walker
Kayden Walker

there's 13 people on right now

Aiden Parker
Aiden Parker

Ok, I'm going a bit nuts here. A few years ago, I remember seeing a video from someone about goldrush, where they were able to get under the map near the blue spawn on the first part. I really want to try to replicate that so I can exploit it do some bug reports for the devs

Andrew Lopez
Andrew Lopez

map exploits are map based and not code based. we actually tried this with the 2fort and trying to put a TP in spawn. didn't work

Isaac Green
Isaac Green

Fixed a long time ago
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/May_21,_2008_Patch

Justin Johnson
Justin Johnson

2fort_invasion voted
oh god please no
serber is kill

sappy we need you

Asher Howard
Asher Howard

highertower

I was looking forawd to steel, dammit.

Adam Evans
Adam Evans

highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower
highertower

Jason Wright
Jason Wright

ok nevermind it reset haha

Samuel Allen
Samuel Allen

2fort_invasion was removed in 2.5, koth_probed is removed in 2.9 and the strange cp_cloak map is also removed in 2.9 as well. Servers should pull them out of their rotation when possible.

Alexander Price
Alexander Price

balloonrace
RTV
ravenholm
Bachingo nominates cp_steel
RTV
get fucking 2fort
server crashes

Jason Perry
Jason Perry

cp_cloak removed in 2.9
RIP in piece

Ayden Torres
Ayden Torres

sappy should do that then so this shit stops happening

Jaxson Collins
Jaxson Collins

I'm getting an error message saying that steam_appid.txt couldn't be detected when I launch TF2V.exe, what did I fuck up?

Ayden Foster
Ayden Foster

did you launch source 2013 base multiplayer once? it needs to generate the appid file

Elijah Powell
Elijah Powell

Thanks for confirming I'm fucking retarded.

Oliver Bennett
Oliver Bennett

we're all special here user :^)

Owen Garcia
Owen Garcia

TF2V is GAY
Where are the hats? How do you tell each other apart? How are you supposed to spycheck? Did you remove taunts just so you wouldn't get BMed?

Caleb Jones
Caleb Jones

360 SPIN SIT ON CHAIR OPEN NOT SMUG ANIME GIRL FOLDER NOT EVEN LOOK
SEE TF2 REMAKE THREAD
MACRO BUTTON FOR "F6" TO OPEN THREAD AND SCREAM WHERE ARE THE HATS
>NEW REPLY

Asher Torres
Asher Torres

falling for the bait

Gavin Scott
Gavin Scott

wow such an epic post comrade
many upboats to you for your remarkable skills
exx dee
this is a quality post

Robert Nguyen
Robert Nguyen

your remarkable skills
I would actually destroy you in MGE. I used to be UGC Highlander Gold, faggot. Your stupid vanilla mods won't save you.

Jeremiah Lopez
Jeremiah Lopez

Nah Bachingo would rek you

so would Deku

You're just a scrub who needs hats

Lincoln Moore
Lincoln Moore

namefags in the TF2 community
Do you ERP with each other, too? None of you even have a second of comp experience.

Lincoln Lewis
Lincoln Lewis

namefags
dude its like the same 20 people every day, you're bound to recognize them at somepoint.

Aiden Gonzalez
Aiden Gonzalez

Low quality
Just like your picture your posts are low quality

Ayden Sanders
Ayden Sanders

Ya you're going to run into the same people a lot, but I would think you wouldn't want to throw names out in the thread. Nothing scares off an autistic lurker more than knowing that his name might be seen and/or remembered, and that there is an already established click. Keep the names in game, thread should probably stick to talking about the game itself, don't turn this into a /vg/ esq social circle jerk.

Ryan Adams
Ryan Adams

That would be a cool stand, like a combo between California King Bed and Wired

Thomas Parker
Thomas Parker

True, but usernames are going to pop up alot in screenshots, chat screencaps and videos so.

cool stand
inb4 thread devolves into stand discussions
do agree tho

Matthew Mitchell
Matthew Mitchell

same 20 people every day
Is it anything like a trade server where your buddies just fuck around and sometimes scrim, or is it 24/7 actually playing the game?

Bubblegum Crash a best

Carson Morales
Carson Morales

unless the server is dead we're mostly playing the actual game

Isaac Williams
Isaac Williams

Is it anything like a trade server where your buddies just fuck around and sometimes scrim, or is it 24/7 actually playing the game?
anything like a trade server
I should hang you for even saying that.
24/7 actually playing
24/7
fuck i wish. For now its just
ask in thread if people want to play
fuck around with low numbers
once it hits 2v2 or more it starts being a real game
then the numbers climb as more people are available to play

Luis Phillips
Luis Phillips

Crash
Eh
Really sucks how the series got fucked over by the studios animating it. What could have beem right?

Depends, it's a mix bag really a lot of times we're playign to win sometimes we're fucking around. fucking around usually happens when its a low player count so like if it's 3v3 you might see something like one team is one class and the other team is another class and they try to win that way. or just straight up sniper duels

Ayden Rivera
Ayden Rivera

usernames are going to pop up alot in screenshots, chat screencaps and videos
Ya but that doesn't mean you have to mention the names in the pictures. Again, you don't want to be /vg/ esq circle jerk, that's what happens to A LOT of communities here, and that's about the time they die.

Ryder Gutierrez
Ryder Gutierrez

that's when they die
no it isn't
they're usually long dead before it reaches that point as the people who started the shit leave and newfags overrun it

Christopher Campbell
Christopher Campbell

baits incredibly hard
posts anime pics every time
Ruggarell, is that you?

Adam Martinez
Adam Martinez

Ruggs has nothing to do with this

Christopher Perez
Christopher Perez

Is true there are trouble with plugins to work at all in vintage?
I just want to make my shitty freak fortress server to function in this game

Christopher Diaz
Christopher Diaz

dunno if it'll work just try. if not try older versions a lot of these plugins require things that this might not have in the coding

Jaxon Perez
Jaxon Perez

A lot of the Polycount weapons were bad but in fairness Valve typically threw out the submitted stats and replaced it with retardedness. Refer to Black Box which was designed as a one-shot retardedly slow launcher you'd have to be suicidal to rocketjump with and Valve made it a self-heal weapon.
If anything forcing you to roll stock-only for some length of time forces you to learn the ins and outs of the game. Tying them to achievements was a good move on Valve's part; you do well, you get to play around with some new sidegrades and find the niche that's right for you.
thought-exercise

Gavin Flores
Gavin Flores

A lot of the Polycount weapons were bad but in fairness Valve typically threw out the submitted stats and replaced it with retardedness

To be fair, this is what I would do to get the weapons in TF2V to work. Some coding doesn't work right, so F-A-N would change from a two shot weapon with mobility/knockback to a one shot weapon with crowd control.

Ethan Harris
Ethan Harris

If we are going to have alternate weapons, dont make any kind of unlock system. It would be best if everyone was on equal footing.

Chase Nelson
Chase Nelson

nah an unlock system works best. reward people for playing. the old achievement system worked. you're not fucked if you're rolling stock only, this isn't league of casuals where buying the latest hero will let you win

Dominic Phillips
Dominic Phillips

The point of new weapons should be that they may be countered with certain stock weapons easily. Something like the winger making it harder to hit scoot, with a debuff that'd make the scout much more susceptible to sentries or fire damage, as a crappy example.

Landon Morales
Landon Morales

The achievement system was always shit. That's why achievement servers became a thing so fast, because people just want to play with all the goddamn weapons.

Angel Morris
Angel Morris

Yeah, Valve's forgotten there's supposed to be a tradeoff for these things. Hell, even go rather far back with the Direct Hit, that thing was made to cater to Soldiers who abided by the tactic of aiming at feet, then shooting again midair: much faster rockets, rockets do more damage, and minicrits in the air, the trade-off being it's worthless for splash-damage and trying to aim vaguely at the enemy like with the normal launcher just means you miss and your ass is probably dead.

Henry Roberts
Henry Roberts

thats because TF2 grew their achievements out. in any case now isn't the time to be idea manning about these systems when we still need to polish shit

Jonathan Cruz
Jonathan Cruz

This. When you make weapons unlocked through cheevos, you are going to have an influx of people playing retardedly because they need to do x thing to get a weapon they want, then people are going to collude for the weapons. You're also going to have people stop playing or disregarding the mod altogether because they have to do asinine things to play with everything. Just make them all unlocked from the start. If you really want to tie somthing to cheevos, make them hats or somthing cosmetic.

Easton Diaz
Easton Diaz

ITT people who completely disregarded my wall of text

FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE FOR AND AGAINST THE ACHIEVEMENT SYSTEM
a tl;dr of my previous post
make challenges (sort of a mix between achievements and the contracts only less shit)based on what you want to unlock
say you want a weapon
<do X task with weapon
<complete
<get new weapon on completion
<if its something like a weapon reskin like the big kill, make a side challenge for it, same goes for any cosmetic or taunt
this removes asinine tasks from LIVE TF2 achievements
make it so it only tracks LIVE PLAYER KILLS and not BOT KILLS to counter the idling/farming

That way people EARN the fucking things and still have FUN
BUT AGAIN, I CANT STRESS ENOUGH THAT THE GAME SHOULD BE POLISHED 100% FIRST AND THEN WE CAN SHITFLING AND WORRY ABOUT EXTRA SHIT

Austin Hughes
Austin Hughes

At this point there should probably be some collective of ideas and an explanation of why they're retarded or why they aren't being worked on at the moment, ie "shut up about items because we don't have everything ironed out to the point we even want to consider them"

Nolan Bell
Nolan Bell

This thread will most likely be archived like the rest but we can cap what I've said ITT and repost it in later threads so maybe people could shut the fuck up about it since the topic has already been handled and answered.

Camden Long
Camden Long

Just make the weapons available from the start and call it a day.

Luis Campbell
Luis Campbell

nah

Isaac Cruz
Isaac Cruz

not wanting to work for them
not wanting the satisfaction of earning something
getting everything for free

Noah Ramirez
Noah Ramirez

non-stock faggots are making a ruckus again
Let it go already.

Parker Harris
Parker Harris

Shit band and you're a fag.

Parker Richardson
Parker Richardson

Sorry m9, the game is free, the stock weapons are free– there's no point to suddenly put up a wall for new players other than to piss absolutely everyone off.

Kayden Davis
Kayden Davis

That's horrible logic
Add weapons
nah fuck off make us the frame work for the weapons and then we'll consider it. easy right?

Bentley Turner
Bentley Turner

"reward people for playing"
A total unnecessary nuisance, just makes people farm for shit and hinders access if you switch accounts or if it's unreliable. Not to mention non-stock is fucking AIDS and only a couple items added well to the game, so they should be put on a hopefully permanent hiatus.

Austin Nguyen
Austin Nguyen

for absolute fucks sake
THE TOPIC HAS ALREADY BEEN DEALT WITH, THE GAME NEEDS TO BE FIXED AND POLISHED FIRST. DROP IT

no u

Dominic Ortiz
Dominic Ortiz

Hinders if you switch accounts
But why would you switch? again you're bringing up weapons when work is still being done on the game itself. if you want weapons added so bad build the framework of each weapon and then submit them, make sure they work and are tested.

Jason Russell
Jason Russell

I don't want weapons, just saying achievement-walling is a shit idea regardless.

Colton Wood
Colton Wood

Not really. it depends on how it's executed

Wyatt Perez
Wyatt Perez

achievement-walling
keeps using the term achievement when we clearly talked about substituting it for something different, more effective and not completely asinine.

Luke Clark
Luke Clark

Y-yeah. But I'm against adding ANYTHING, just fixing everything.

Aaron Cruz
Aaron Cruz

not wanting the satisfaction of earning something
playing a team based multiplayer game
so he can unlock guns

Jonathan Wright
Jonathan Wright

playing a team based multiplayer game
not being a valuable asset to that team as X class
not being so good at it that all your hard work and dedication is rewarded
not wanting your brain to release a fuckton of dopamine and other feelgood chemicals into your system

Austin Sanders
Austin Sanders

muh reward me for doing x
muh "I like arbitrary grinding when it doesn't remotely call for it"
fuck off hipster, nobody wants stupid shenanigans for broken and imbalanced weapons that only cover the gaping holes in your skill.

In other news, great pop lately guys.

Camden Ward
Camden Ward

not being a valuable asset to that team as X class
>IMPLYING YOU CAN'T JUST GIT GUD
Had me going there for a while.

Luis Morris
Luis Morris

broken and imbalanced weapons
implying the devs wont actually try and balance them
that only cover the gaping holes in your skill.
im-fucking-plying i wont suck with the other weapons anyway
muh "I like arbitrary grinding when it doesn't remotely call for it"
again completely missing the fact that I was suggesting a method that DOESNT FUCKING INVOLVE GRINDING
I'll state again: this is a non-issue and if we keep kvetching back and forth like this, its most likely the devs are going to give up trying and halt the project entirely.
The topic of ITEMS is now a done deal until the devanons actually decide to tackle it.

Jordan Foster
Jordan Foster

Items may likely be added in the future like mentioned in previous threads. If any items are added later, they'll probably be after V3. I am interested in the Kritzkrieg and the Jag as possible items to use.

Brody Gomez
Brody Gomez

i want the crusaders crossbow

Easton Gomez
Easton Gomez

Ok, why need items as a reward when you're getting gud anyway. Getting gud enough to be useful in a team IS the reward, not some skinner box 10 seconds of joy after you finally unlock what you want then back to doing more "challenges."

Elijah Clark
Elijah Clark

There's a difference when shit becomes tedious. If you're playing just to grind of course it becomes tedious, you want it to be a natural grind, something players will pay no real heed to as it just came from them playing normally. Originally vitasaw IIRC or blautsauger required you to get ALL medic achievements.

Now some of the medic achievements were dumb like "uber 15 steam friends" yeah that's tedious. but shit like "Heal XXXXX amount of damage" that comes naturally from playing medic and someone who p;lays medic a lot will get this naturally through playing the role.

for example say we make a achievement for scout that's just "X kills with scattergun" again this seems dumb but as a scout you're primarily using your scattergun as a primary damage dealing means.

A big problem is a lot of the kill count ones put them behind goals like "500 kills" or "kill 5 enemies in one life" , this can be easily worked around with achievements that are challenging but still rewarding. As an engineer I can think of one such as "Keep your sentry alive while an ubered enemy tries to focus it down".

Jackson Scott
Jackson Scott

Getting gud enough to be useful in a team IS the reward
I agree, but having something else that can turn the tides or help win could prove beneficial to that team. For example a Medic with a kritzkrieg being successful where a regular uber would fail.
Just having the item doesnt prove your usefulness, its effectively using it for the benefit of your team. Thats why you got that item, because you manage to apply yourself so well in the game that you now have a second method, or rather an alternative playstyle, that could help your allies reach victory.

Finally some voice of reason

Alexander Jones
Alexander Jones

I agree, but having something else that can turn the tides or help win could prove beneficial to that team.
Not an argument against not wanting a Skinner box in a game with a small target audience and an even smaller devteam.
because you manage to apply yourself so well in the game that you now have a second method
But even if you didn't and everyone had the same weapons, a shit player will still suck and get their team killed without map knowledge and practice with the weapon. There's no point other than wanting a Skinner box, and the same shit that killed the fun in TF2.

Jace Moore
Jace Moore

Saying "not an argument" doesn't invalidate what I said. fuck off and stop being austistic

Cooper Young
Cooper Young

Should've also put you're flinging buzzwords at this point

Jose Perez
Jose Perez

he stopped at reading "not an argument"
It was a non sequitur. Completely unrelated to what I was saying, I hate actually fucking naming fallacies because that shit is tacky as hell.

Jaxson Phillips
Jaxson Phillips

It's a thing
No it's you copping out because you have no real argument and want shit handed to you on a silver platter like an SJW in the tech industry

Matthew Murphy
Matthew Murphy

completely misreads everything I say
stops reading at not an argument
continues to say something I agree with, being that different ways to play would help the game's longevity as skilled players could, but refuses to acknowledge the scope of the game, how a fucking shitty unlock system would effect the game
a useless one because everyone would jump on that shit the second it updated unless some of the shit was ridiculous as hell and luck based
The only good thing would be that it keeps the newfags out, but with a population of maybe 30 it doesn't fucking matter.
I might have wrote my last post wrong, the first period was supposed to be a comma and the comma should have been a period.

Jack Morales
Jack Morales

Any yurotrash servers?

William Cooper
William Cooper

holy shit the amount of autistic shitflinging happening in this thread right now is retarded. Why the fuck is anyone even trying to find the shittiest way to implement loadouts when the game doesn't even function properly?
contracts are shit. Having an artificial restriction on what shit you can equip, "natural" or not is retarded in a multiplayer-only game and you should feel retarded.
I completely agree with what you're saying about this but can we save this autism for when if devanon implement loadouts?

This entire argument is fucking worthless until some fag goes and makes a fork with shit anyways, so can we drop this crap and go back to playing video games now?

Jordan Clark
Jordan Clark

almost forgot

Easton Kelly
Easton Kelly

install TF2 again
2600 hours of my life wasted on this game
remember that I have no hats
uninstall

why, valve

Sebastian Cruz
Sebastian Cruz

Come back to the thread after a busy day yesterday
people whining for non-stock weapons
again

Noah Mitchell
Noah Mitchell

Quick-Fix is better than Medi Gun.

Kayden Mitchell
Kayden Mitchell

Playing retail TF2
why?

Charles Sullivan
Charles Sullivan

Even comp allows like 10x more weapons than this does.

What's the point of unnecessarily restricting gameplay options? Weapons aren't cosmetics.

Gavin Perez
Gavin Perez

Because right now there are no actual weapons to add. Because simply adding models doesn't make them work in game, their functionality is dictated by code that doesn't exist in vintage.

TO THE WEAPON FAGS
It ain't happening till the game gets everything fixed neatly and nicely and even then we'd have to make code for the weapons, so unless you want to help stop bitching about weapons. that simple

Jackson Bailey
Jackson Bailey

FITE ME! I DARE U!

Austin White
Austin White

No, here's the (you) you were looking for though.

Mason Moore
Mason Moore

Fuck off, (1) and done.
The last played is when I checked how the game was now.

Matthew Howard
Matthew Howard

posting easily-edited screencaps of hours played
Link the account page, you dorks.

Joshua Lee
Joshua Lee

implying there is anything to be gained from lying on 8/v/
Used to websites where you have an account and public record?

Julian Lopez
Julian Lopez

Make way

It hurts seeing what has become of TF2. The last good update was the Engineer update. Since then I've only occasionally shared some unusuals from retarded kids

Zachary White
Zachary White

:: i didn't logged in for months, work brings me more satisfaction
:: i only play this game one month straight per year or two
thanks for all the (you)'s, but… no thanks, thanks for admitting my special needs though.

I understand that kids want to bring back the good ol' times, but why not accept that all games are total shite and we would rather create our own from scratch? That is the process of creation and the maximum both mental and moral satisfaction of a process of a creation.

And we were laughing at our parents listening to some sher "singing", yet now we are listening to "modernized" version of 80's bad quality drum beats and call it "aesthetic".

My call is that of an interested person who would rather participate in an act of creation, rather than "recreation", which is at best "reanimation" of a fallen game which is itself is fun only when you play with friends (like every other crap game out there). Volvo was done when they decided to bring "dota 2" to life, not looking for the original creator of that map (who was a russian blizzard forum moderator at the long passed moment; boy i wish you were there listening to his cries to eternity! he probably hanged himself though).
So, let's create something new and call it a day. And bash some hipsters while we are at it.

Bentley Sullivan
Bentley Sullivan

anything to be gained from lying on 8/v/
You gain more (You)s and a bit of an ego boost.

Gabriel Wilson
Gabriel Wilson

Why put effort into creating anything new?
Plus, we're having fun.

Anyone up for a game?

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

sure

Chase Rogers
Chase Rogers

Oh yeah let me check my Holla Forums Karma and all the replies I've ever recieved.
OH WAIT

Leo Fisher
Leo Fisher

TWO MINUTES TI:L LAUNCH

Joshua Diaz
Joshua Diaz

not capping every single one of your posts and putting them into folders organized by amount of replies

Luke Hill
Luke Hill

we arena now

Adam Moore
Adam Moore

Alright, I'm joining.

Jeremiah Hernandez
Jeremiah Hernandez

wasting hard drive space to invalidate the purpose of using an anonymous image board
capping your own posts

Adam Kelly
Adam Kelly

http://www.moddb.com/mods/team-fortress-2-vintage/downloads/team-fortress-2-vintage-v29

IT'S LIVE

Mega link mirror:
https://mega.nz/#!mBEzwToA!xO5nd5P_pEPqUm0A5dkSHImPX8_FrFS6-C0Kq2w1p18

Luke Lopez
Luke Lopez

worring about hard drive space in current year
My posts are good enough to be put on a plaque.

Kevin Gray
Kevin Gray

Well that explains everything.
Begone THOT.

Nathaniel Fisher
Nathaniel Fisher

Give me my fucking (You).

Brayden Howard
Brayden Howard

Jesus Christ, I hope we're not playing with honest-to-God tripfags

Charles Watson
Charles Watson

maybe you should join and find out

Chase Roberts
Chase Roberts

I've got stuff to do now but I will absolutely be on at night

Jayden Nelson
Jayden Nelson

this isn't v3

Elijah Green
Elijah Green

taunt sliding is enabled
Never change this.

Jayden Anderson
Jayden Anderson

don't intend to

also v2.9/v3 maps that are packaged with it use that compression format, so sappy and other server owners will need to do a fresh install as well.

Asher Adams
Asher Adams

the act of creation is the best thing that can happen to you, faggot. Just do that once, it's nothing like your worthless neet's lifestyle.

Jaxon Adams
Jaxon Adams

So are people playing today or is everyone just downloading 2.9 now?

Luke Price
Luke Price

Can ctf_hellfire and highertower be removed from the map pool please?

Nolan Sanders
Nolan Sanders

some are waiting for 2.9 to download so yeah

Christian Cooper
Christian Cooper

Is it even possible to have a good game on hightower, let alone highertower?

Carson Lopez
Carson Lopez

thirty minutes until the ooomph

Xavier Ortiz
Xavier Ortiz

Oh boy, i cant wait to download 4 gigs at 1.5MBs

Lucas Myers
Lucas Myers

I want to host a server in Europe (I hosted Europoor for tf2c sometime ago) but all links ITT except for github are dead.

David Thomas
David Thomas

2.9 released so all the old 2.5 links are dead. next thread we'll have the links fixed

Asher Bailey
Asher Bailey

See read you finnish fuck.

Carter Campbell
Carter Campbell

It takes forever to unpack all this shit.

Josiah Cooper
Josiah Cooper

I'm not finish dummy, does it have linux binaries or do I have to compile myself ? I remember I had to compile this stuff myself for europoor… I don't fucking remember how I set up this server, I know I need to install steam and download the source sdk MP but we'll see how it goes. Unless someone has a guide.

Oliver Sanchez
Oliver Sanchez

it does, all releases will contain the binaries

Eli Campbell
Eli Campbell

may i ask why you're not finnish ?

Jaxson Rivera
Jaxson Rivera

Because I was born outside of Finland I guess. Also I'm not Mongolian, I don't go to sauna every day, I don't snipe russians on regular basis (I wish I was) and I don't have spurdo / gondola in my herb.

Connor Rogers
Connor Rogers

Is anyone on?
I fear everyone's going to spend their friday doing stupid things like hanging out with friends and family instead of playing tf2v.

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

Can you make a package of the stuff only needed for the server ? I have a tiny SSD on the server, don't want to take all the space with unncessesary models and sounds etc.

Nathan Myers
Nathan Myers

It takes forever to get this ready. Give it some time.

Henry Rodriguez
Henry Rodriguez

My server will be 24/7, it's on dedicated server not on my own PC.. Just make sure to come. I could probably host another game on top of it, the server is quite good.

Aaron Butler
Aaron Butler

There were people playing about an hour ago. I had to go run some errands but I'm up and ready right now.

Camden Garcia
Camden Garcia

downloading V2.9 now

Xavier Powell
Xavier Powell

15 minute download
20 minutes to unpack
3 minute virus scan
I hope i dont have to do this with 3.0

Owen King
Owen King

your map differs from the servers

Is memesystem not on 2.9 yet or somthing?

Camden Bennett
Camden Bennett

Are we stef posting now?

Easton Ward
Easton Ward

why are people not finnish ? it's like the best thing ever.

Cooper Edwards
Cooper Edwards

wait, wait, okay, okay, i just downloaded it and i have no fuggin clue what to do with it
no executable in sight, what do

Nathaniel Flores
Nathaniel Flores

i love you too

Noah Long
Noah Long

Read the moddb page. Download source multiplayer 2013 base in steam tools. Stick tf2vintage in your sourcemods folder in steam. Restart steam. Launch tf2vintage.

Nathaniel Brown
Nathaniel Brown

Source SDK 2013 multiplayer base*

Ethan Turner
Ethan Turner

i thought this thing didn't use steam.

Charles Foster
Charles Foster

There is a way to not use steam but i have no idea.

Ryder Wright
Ryder Wright

The Vintage XPerience
XPerience

If this is who I think it is. I thought you said your XP machine crapped out after the massive amounts of micspam from everyone when we were playing TF2C?

Justin Mitchell
Justin Mitchell

well if there's no other way than steam i'm not using it. what would the appeal be if i can just take tf2 from steam, have all items, all maps and all games with a few thousands more players without any bugs or glitches ?

Chase Brooks
Chase Brooks

You have to deal with hats, non stock weapons, worse optimization, clashing art styles with hats, hackers, traders, "friendlies", ect.

James Murphy
James Murphy

SERVER WHEN?

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

there IS a no steam method. Read the previous threads, the second post.

Henry Price
Henry Price

it's not and sappy isn't responding

OP completely forgot this

Nathan Thompson
Nathan Thompson

It does when 10 people micspam at once. This box is much newer than the one used on the original XP server.

Nathaniel Thompson
Nathaniel Thompson

a picture taken of the simpsons streaming with a cursor in the middle
How about "who's_the_retarded_nigger_responsible_for_this.jpg"

Joshua Gutierrez
Joshua Gutierrez

memesystem is running on 2.9

REMEMBER YOU NEED A CLEAN INSTALL of 2.9 DO NOT TRY TO PATCH 2.5 OR SHIT WILL BREAK

Ayden Miller
Ayden Miller

On Europoor I almost had a MicRadio, where I had music on the server and a ghost player playing it over the "mic". I should try doing it again, the quality wasn't even that bad.

Josiah Bennett
Josiah Bennett

Does this use the beta shading seen in pre-release material?

Adam Jones
Adam Jones

No, however there are mods that do just that so grab em from game banana

Andrew Perry
Andrew Perry

Oh that's good information, I'm going to try that out

Charles Ross
Charles Ross

you wanna go whole hog there is a HD beta model pack that works in tandem with the ultimate beta lighting mod.

The model pack requires you to install it first THEN the lighting to work. also back up the medic head model and textures because the beta pack fucks up and removes em by accident

Adam Mitchell
Adam Mitchell

memesystem is running on 2.9
can't see shit cap'n

Nathaniel Sanders
Nathaniel Sanders

steam revemu users need IP address to connect

Levi Phillips
Levi Phillips

Vintage XPerience
104.228.168.228:27015

memesystem
173.17.10.105:30001

Josiah James
Josiah James

Still can't connect, the last version worked just fine. TF2 doesn't need to be installed, right?

Brandon Ortiz
Brandon Ortiz

memesystem is currently down, dunno if XP allows no-steam

David Wright
David Wright

i'm fucking giving up

James Sanchez
James Sanchez

okie doke.

Jeremiah Diaz
Jeremiah Diaz

https://pastebin.com/8GMQPSSy

pastebin for the next thread

Xavier Clark
Xavier Clark

I'm on Steam and can't find either.

Luke Brooks
Luke Brooks

anyone playing?

Gavin Jackson
Gavin Jackson

everyone's left for today. wait until tomorrow. people usually start joining at around 4PM

Brody Turner
Brody Turner

crap, shouldve got here earlier ill be playing joint ops then

Jason Young
Jason Young

It's just that not everyone has downloaded 2.9 yet and memesystem was outdated for a bit. Most players on at a time was 7 anyways. Tomorrow should jump back to normal.

Nolan Mitchell
Nolan Mitchell

Don't be silly; No one here has friends.

Lucas King
Lucas King

i'll be your friend.

Ryan Reed
Ryan Reed

So is someone gonna make a new thread with the 2.9 download and anti-steam instructions so we can get a big weekend pop?

Luis Kelly
Luis Kelly

Oh hell yes 2.9 is here everyone is so exiting this is going to be awesome
As a result of 2.9, today no one can play

Ah, what a shame, I was dying to play today.

Dylan Watson
Dylan Watson

We played a pretty good game on highertower. Distilled autism so pure it'd make Everclear look like toilet water.

Connor Taylor
Connor Taylor

Wait, what? You're telling me that 2007 TF2 is wasted on a shitty map like hightower? Who voted for this shit?

Jackson Taylor
Jackson Taylor

once we get to page 13

To be fair this isn't strictly 2007 TF2, if that was the case we wouldn't even have PL/PLR

Grayson Robinson
Grayson Robinson

no no, its HIGHER tower, as in a skyscraper.

Connor Powell
Connor Powell

hightower
No, it's *higher*tower.

Charles Adams
Charles Adams

join the map
look around
no carts
"where are the carts"
look up
oh

Jaxson Robinson
Jaxson Robinson

Still garbage, pretty shameful. Would be a million times better playing on an actual map.

Jackson Ramirez
Jackson Ramirez

Fuck, who is up for more?

Jeremiah Thompson
Jeremiah Thompson

he didn't see the map that came after highertower
On a more serious note, can we please have less meme maps or at least keep them low in the rotation?

Jackson Evans
Jackson Evans

complain to sappy

Jack Stewart
Jack Stewart

Someone get AGDQ on this.
We need to make the payloads stop floating.

Andrew Barnes
Andrew Barnes

I could just edit the OP

Cameron Price
Cameron Price

thread is past the bump limit we'll save it for the next thread

Jose Thomas
Jose Thomas

very well

Brody Martin
Brody Martin

thread is Hotpockets get out edition
hotpockets show anyway

Carter Clark
Carter Clark

:^)

Cooper Young
Cooper Young

New thread?

Nathaniel Richardson
Nathaniel Richardson

Any reason why my clean 2.9 installation has a different map than memeserver?

Elijah Young
Elijah Young

replace file with 2.5 map
it works
what gives

Jack Perez
Jack Perez

seems sappy changed shit after changing it.

and of coruse he's fucking offline

Kayden Green
Kayden Green

2.9 is still running the outdated model retextures with the fucked up lightwarps
what exactly did 2.9 fix?

Chase Harris
Chase Harris

I'll take "What is a load of horseshit?" for 500 alex
clean install of 2.9

Eli White
Eli White

Sappy wanted to use his 2.5 files instead of the 2.9 files, so he's using the 2.9 version with 2.5 files causing the map errors.

What is clean install

The only thing you should back up is your playerstats.dmx file.

Daniel Nelson
Daniel Nelson

i fucked up copying some of my custom shit pls no bully

Easton Collins
Easton Collins

fucking figured.

Happens to the best of us so whatever

Grayson Moore
Grayson Moore

The only thing you should back up is your playerstats.dmx file.
not saving your cfg folder
I bet you don't even run this game on a toaster with 15 fps

Joshua Williams
Joshua Williams

Fuck, i just deleted the whole thing. Rip my player stats.

Aaron Miller
Aaron Miller

You are in insecure mode. You must restart before you can connect to secured servers

Nathan Ward
Nathan Ward

Because I told devanon repeatedly not to add extra maps to 2.9 and he did anyways.
I'm not fixing it, if you get an error on anything other than a pre-Mannconomy map it's up to you to fix.

Blake Wilson
Blake Wilson

Can someone upload it to a normal host that I can just wget ? Mega won't let me (it acts as if I downloaded 5GB today already, moddb is like 500kb / sec…. I'm trying to host a server.

Nathan Jenkins
Nathan Jenkins

Nevermind, suddenly it jumped to 11Mb/s.
Check these trips

Xavier Carter
Xavier Carter

I don't get it though you had the maps from 2.9 then you roll back, that makes no sense you're fucking people over

Matthew Bailey
Matthew Bailey

Can I run TF2V on a toaster?

Dominic Mitchell
Dominic Mitchell

Salami Inc TF2V Division server is up.
185.62.188.116
24/7 european server

Kayden Gray
Kayden Gray

should be able to. there's actually a guide to optimize TF2 for toasters. should follow that

Oliver Myers
Oliver Myers

there's actually a guide to optimize TF2 for toasters. should follow that
Where dubsman? Please I need to know.

Brandon Morris
Brandon Morris

Google tf2 max fps config

Jaxson Cook
Jaxson Cook

Will do, thanks.

Evan Taylor
Evan Taylor

Breaking your server because you're mad that the map files got updated and instead of using the new versions you throw a temper tantrum
Complaining about using new maps in the game which aren't even in the official mapcycle while dumb maps like highertower are consistently played
Uses VAC on the server despite the VAC system in TF2V not being updated at all since V1

Jose Perry
Jose Perry

Is TF2V not compatible with metamod ? It worked for me on TF2C server.

Logan Scott
Logan Scott

You know he is the one providing a service for everyone else and he hasn't actually broken the server. You might take that into account when you assemble your list of insults

Landon Johnson
Landon Johnson

he actually has, he rolled up to 2.9 only to roll back for no given reason. Then we have another server op waiting on v3 binaries when those are still being sorted and will be delivered as a patch instead of it's own version unless more fixes come along.

I'm not angry I'm just trying to understand the logic behind these actions

Cameron Nguyen
Cameron Nguyen

My server is up

Oliver Jenkins
Oliver Jenkins

well sappy's server is back to running 2.9 it seems.

In any case hopefully the spy issue will be resolved

Caleb Roberts
Caleb Roberts

Glad to see there's a european server as well
come playing faggots

Adrian Sanders
Adrian Sanders

I'll be there shortly

Leo Bennett
Leo Bennett

Hold on Benis, i'm installing steam on windows

Evan Hernandez
Evan Hernandez

don't need steam

Lincoln Roberts
Lincoln Roberts

But I I need sdk even though I copied the linux version, it downloads everything from scratch fucking hell

Tyler Bennett
Tyler Bennett

OP omitted it but there's a way,

2nd post is always supposed to be steamrevemu

Jeremiah Watson
Jeremiah Watson

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