RDW CELEBRATION THREAD

Luke Cruz
Luke Cruz

https://youtube.com/watch?v=G4gPXvW3DG4

IT'S HERE, WE DID IT, AND IT'S AMAZING. TODAY IS A DAY THAT WILL GO DOWN IN Holla Forums HISTORY.

Edit: Newfriends, if you wish to view the rest of this or any thread and post in a particular thread, click reply to the right of that thread. DO NOT post from the first page, otherwise you will be creating a new thread, which you may if you believe your topic warrants a new thread. Please keep all questions on how to operate the board interface to the FAQ thread, which you may find below. This is the CELEBRATION thread. As such, you may come to be welcomed and to CELEBRATE your arrival with us in this thread.

Welcome.

All urls found in this thread:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G4gPXvW3DG4
https://archive.org/leftypol/index.html)
http://www.democracyatwork.info/get_involved#volunteer
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nhtw5/richard_d_wolff_economic_update_fixing_capitalism/
http://bunkermag.org/the-sociology-of-hypernormalisation/
https://www.reddit.com/r/leftypol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMroWnWIqs0
https://www.xkcd.com
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn
http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/participatory-planning-michael-albert-robin-hahnel.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parecon
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/04/allende-chile-beer-medina-cybersyn/
http://imgur.com/a/ATM0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGC3uJadXh0
https://www.reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nr0e8/sharing_my_perspective_on_things_thatve_been/
https://ceddit.com/r/socialism/new
https://www.marxists.org/archive/mandel/1969/08/statecapitalism.htm
http://tiqqunista.jottit.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqnwUSevgo4
Cameron Ross
Cameron Ross

Holy fucking shit. Well done, comrades. Priority is now to control the more autistic sections of the board to avoid alienating new arrivals.

Sebastian Thompson
Sebastian Thompson

The dialectic is in motion

William Sanchez
William Sanchez

but will r/socialism accomplish anything in retaliation?

other than liberal whining

Jacob Gonzalez
Jacob Gonzalez

We came, buckos

Grayson Fisher
Grayson Fisher

God, that got me so hyped, well done buckos.

Brayden Sanchez
Brayden Sanchez

PRAISE THE MARKET SOCIALIST NEW YORKER

Lincoln Williams
Lincoln Williams

Well I see the mods did a good job of banning all the serial troublemakers including myself and cleaning up the catalog ahaha

Welcome, normies

Cooper Collins
Cooper Collins

.net

based

Ryder Cook
Ryder Cook

thread stickied

based

Joseph Edwards
Joseph Edwards

LEFTYPOL…
LEFTYPOL.
THEY'RE AN INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE
Did he even visit? He may have went to .pl if he googled it.
RDW tripcode when?

Wyatt Hall
Wyatt Hall

Honestly, I think he did the link is correct in the youtube description. Whether he liked what he saw is up to the interpretation but hell if someone asked me to explain Holla Forums I would probably stumble too.

Joshua Johnson
Joshua Johnson

Reminder to post this video on leftist spaces on Reddit and up vote ones that have been posted

Christian Baker
Christian Baker

THEY DID NOT EVEN CARE ABOUT CLASS STRUGGLE BEFORE YOU, Holla Forums!

Oliver Collins
Oliver Collins

[email protected] wants to thank this month's sponsorship that was actually a group effort, of a group of viewers from the Holla Forums (slash-L-E-F-T-Y-P-O-L-slash) online community (https://archive.org/leftypol/index.html) pulled together to raise enough to sponsor tonight's recording. Thank you all for your efforts, and thank you to the organizer who put it all together, we all appreciate your collective support

we fucking did it lads

Isaac Nelson
Isaac Nelson

He even pronounced correctly lol

Eli Powell
Eli Powell

I feel kind of embarrassed. RDW probably came here, saw some inane posts, a nazbol, and then had to go drink some whiskey to cope with the fact that he's supported by edgy channers.

Also, we just pissed off a lot our leftcoms.

Aiden Miller
Aiden Miller

Whether he liked what he saw is up to the interpretation
Hell no, this place is horrible

Ethan Bennett
Ethan Bennett

Leftcoms are eternally pissed off at everything.
Here's an experiment you can do. next time you see a leftcom in the wild, just agree with him on everything, accept every assertion he makes, and see where it takes you, see what they end up asking you to do, and offer all the help you can. You'll see just how vacuous and ineffectual their praxis is. Then they'll post a GMiL comic about why it doesn't need to be.

Kayden Lewis
Kayden Lewis

tfw he's actually reading bordiga

Ian Ramirez
Ian Ramirez

alright guys. If we truly expect an influx of newfriends from this, then it's time to get to work populating the front page and catalog with high quality threads.

Christopher King
Christopher King

DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM IS REAL

Julian Gomez
Julian Gomez

YES! Twenty bucks well spent

Anthony Ross
Anthony Ross

Hell no, this place is horrible
It maybe a hellhole but this my home and in a weird way I feel like we're one big dysfunctional family except instead of one kid being autistic all the kids are autistic

Jaxson Baker
Jaxson Baker

Last video got 85.000 views

Fugg.
We migth see some newfriends.

Parker Perez
Parker Perez

Read Zizek, Stirner, Adorno, Nietzche…

NO BORDIGA
NO FUCKING BORDIGA

UPDATE THIS NOW

Logan Edwards
Logan Edwards

some other obscure writer no one has ever heard of…
I think that covers it tbh

Evan Scott
Evan Scott

I'll leave this hear.

Parker Hall
Parker Hall

Things to do for possible newfriend influx:

Infodump thread

Tell people to read the FAQ

Repel assmad false flagging /pol/acks

Get our crowdfunders together again and crowdfund RDW a bottle of whiskey to soothe his pain after reading this board and this site

Adam Nelson
Adam Nelson

INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE

Andrew Ward
Andrew Ward

Wow comrades good work.

Btw I'm a web developer, if the board managers wanted any help (including building an independent leftypol website) I'm offering my help.

Good luck rebels HQ.

Eli Thompson
Eli Thompson

yes please for the independent leftist chan idea. Bunkerchan and 0ch suck ass

Josiah Diaz
Josiah Diaz

next goal should be to get Zizek to dedicate his next book to Holla Forums. He'll agree to do this for a gram of crack.

Adrian James
Adrian James

Who knows what Dick Wolff saw when checking out this place? Race-bait /pol/ threads, NazBols, tfw no socialist gf threads, Gulagposting, Posadist threads, idPol shitstorms, communist pepes, who knows?!?!?

Andrew Ross
Andrew Ross

I know we loathe Reddit here, but this might be worth a trip over there. It's too good not to do. The /r/socialism mods' heads would fucking explode at the thought of anyone knowing there's a leftist alternative to their politically correct safe space.

Carter Murphy
Carter Murphy

We got a place called bunkerchan but it is dead. as annoying as right-wing raids are i think this place is good enough to stick with, our very presence on this site also greatly upsets said right-wingers which is very funny.

Andrew Edwards
Andrew Edwards

Yes, and we can make it easier to use for normies… if any admin wanted my help pass to me your email, I would be happy to help.

Kevin Butler
Kevin Butler

how did our board end up going downhill in quality so much? not to sound like a tinfoil or anything, but I'm beginning to imagine there is some group with huge amounts of resources that are extremely opposed to socialist movements. time to take my meds again, lol.

Justin Roberts
Justin Roberts

He doesn't smoke crack; he clearly snorts cocaine salt.

Noah Gutierrez
Noah Gutierrez

Are you absolutely sure you want to make everything friendlier for normies? Why don't you frequent a facebook group instead of this place then?

Charles Flores
Charles Flores

No doubt, but miraculously there are actually a few decent threads up right now. Maybe if enough people show up, the Holla Forums reading group can actually function.

EVERYONE POST ALUNYA

Matthew Bell
Matthew Bell

Okay, whatever is the best, comrade.

I'm offering my help for any project anyway if it's not related to a board…

Nicholas Rodriguez
Nicholas Rodriguez

REMINDER TO POST SLINGS AND UPHOLD MARXIST-ALUNYAIST THOUGHT

Zachary Gutierrez
Zachary Gutierrez

I mean having a independent chan or some other place would be awesome but i just don't think we have the numbers to populate it.

Noah Smith
Noah Smith

Don't worry about it for now. At least there are fallback spots Holla Forums can go to if anything happens to Holla Forums. The most important thing is that we're here in /pol/'s fascist hug box and that triggers the fuck out of them. Maybe one day, if we fight hard enough, Holla Forums can be a free speech site again.

Oh, and we might want to let newcomers know about the comedy word filters, lest they get hopelessly confused. Maybe we should take them off temporarily?

Daniel Baker
Daniel Baker

I'm new here, what words are filtered… let me try this one: Trump is a major cuck.

Julian Martinez
Julian Martinez

National Socialism
Problematic

You'll see as you go.

Austin Richardson
Austin Richardson

Wait.. what happened???

Jackson Brooks
Jackson Brooks

What excellent news. Was slightly nervous about it fulfilling your expectations, but it looks like the majority of you are satisfied, I'm very glad. I had been in correspondence with [email protected] prior to the event, just to check everything was going to plan.

Thank you to all who donated or shared the donation link around. Democracy at Work and myself are greatly appreciative of your contributions. Big thanks to Shane and Betsy from [email protected] for helping us make this happen, too.

Sorry for not being able to write something longer or more comprehensive, I need to leave for work in about 5 minutes.

So to end, here is a link to Democracy at Work's "Get involved" page: http://www.democracyatwork.info/get_involved#volunteer . If you have any skills that may help them produce the great things they produce, then feel free to drop a message and offer your assistance. Animators, graphic designers, writers, and so on and so on and so on. Regardless of your specific qualms with the finer points (as I've seen convincingly on recent threads), Democracy at Work and 'The Wolff' provides us with some brilliant educational resources about economics, something in this day and age that must not be taken for granted.

Once again, cheers to all who contributed and those that will help in the future endeavors of our board.

Austin Wood
Austin Wood

"email protected" is D(at)W, Democracy at Work

Anthony Perry
Anthony Perry

Need to leave for my daily toil, got some shipping containers to unload (kill me). Will be on the thread later today.

Nathaniel Thompson
Nathaniel Thompson

Wait, tell us if Papa Wolff was disgusted or amused by us.

Angel Wright
Angel Wright

I just had a thought. Where's the Bunkermag editor? I haven't heard anything out of them in a while. Maybe it's time to revive Bunkermag.

Henry Hall
Henry Hall

Can we put the best foot forward? Most people assume Hoxha is a beard hating paranoid. Why not start with a book sharing thread?

Mason Sullivan
Mason Sullivan

well, i may need to be more careful with my banning so i dont ban newfags and redditors who are curious

Dylan Green
Dylan Green

Are you admitting to ban people that lightly? For being dissident to the board's status quo?

Nicholas Parker
Nicholas Parker

revive Bunkermag.
it was barely alive in the first place

Christopher Hughes
Christopher Hughes

Pls do another fundraiser

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

I'm not new, but i never understood Wolff's position. Is he a market socialist or what?

Brandon Parker
Brandon Parker

At the very most he believes that a gradualist market-socialist solution is the best stepping stone to actually FALC.
In terms of how it may breed a collectivist and mutualist ethos in the people, he might be right.

Bentley Rogers
Bentley Rogers

Well worth my $15. When is Wolff Feeder starting another donation pool?

Happy new year, Holla Forums! <3

Isaiah Brown
Isaiah Brown

There are a lot of raids from /pol/ here, so the mods are trigger happy at times. There's a moderation feedback thread for situations like that. /pol/ has their mod feedback on another board, /polmeta/, which never gets looked at by anyone. Having the feedback posted on the board itself is better.

Nathaniel Hall
Nathaniel Hall

fresh OC for truth

Noah Cruz
Noah Cruz

Kek

This is exactly how I read his comment as well.

Phresh OC from Catgrill as usual!

Lincoln Allen
Lincoln Allen

Haha good shit drawfriend

Carter Bennett
Carter Bennett

ayy

Benjamin Morales
Benjamin Morales

Tip for people new to imageboards: The catalog is your friend.

Xavier Flores
Xavier Flores

This.
Good threads can only be kept alive if enough people actually use the catalog.

Nicholas Cooper
Nicholas Cooper

interesting group of people we are beholden to because they are sponsoring us
kek

Aaron Thomas
Aaron Thomas

Front page right now is
give me a shorter version of das kapital
whats your best argument against capitalism
fucking feminists
socialist video games
which socialist tendency would you have sexual intercourse with
bordigists sound fucking retarded
discussion of trump being pissed on
bitching about liberals who oppose the death penalty
discussion of russia/syria conflict
anti-U.S imperialism thread
drug thread
bitching about political correctness
Truly this is a great tome of left wing knowledge.

Nolan Allen
Nolan Allen

Seems pretty based to me, reddit. Mad?

Ryan Scott
Ryan Scott

Yet another normal day on leftypol.

Actually, you do have a point.
It's the same threads over and over for ever and ever…

Eli Russell
Eli Russell

BO, change the dead board message so it doesn't confuse people.

Owen Bell
Owen Bell

almost fainted when the god almighty Wolff said Holla Forums

Henry Sanchez
Henry Sanchez

start fucking posting on it then

RARE PRICKLY!

Is pic related you by anychance?
I remember you posting before. You are epitome of reddit cancer.

Ian Perez
Ian Perez

what they end up asking you to do
I see you have not yet grasped the core of LeftCommunism.

Adam Roberts
Adam Roberts

a few /pol/ raids are veiled as question on the original post

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

dog bless richard

Easton Bailey
Easton Bailey

American election.

Parker Ward
Parker Ward

And that fundamental flaw is…
Capitalism
And to disestablish capitalism, we should…
Start by taking control of capital away from private capitalists by attempting to transition to a coop economy

Jeremiah Morgan
Jeremiah Morgan

DUBS CONFIRM

It's crazy to think that this board only had 100 posters once upon a time.

Noah Hughes
Noah Hughes

what a delight

they are an interesting group of people

heheh i'm sure he took a peek here, wonder what threads he stumbled into

Luke Moore
Luke Moore

Top OC right here.

Daniel Cruz
Daniel Cruz

interesting group of people

Joshua Thomas
Joshua Thomas

AND TRIPs

Leo Russell
Leo Russell

BEHOLDEN






Jayden Bennett
Jayden Bennett

YES
E
S

Nolan Ward
Nolan Ward

Holy fucking shit, almost ten minutes of straight up dialectical materialism at the end, where he even fucking namedrops communism as the alternative.

Ryan Gray
Ryan Gray

any /interesting/ in?

Luis Fisher
Luis Fisher

Seems good to me tbh

Chase Carter
Chase Carter

I'm willing to help with this too, very interested in doing this.

Joshua White
Joshua White

Does this mean even more market """"""""""""""""""""socialist"""""""""""""""""""" cancer on this board? What a time to be alive.

Aiden Russell
Aiden Russell

Read a book faggot

Also
Saging a sticky

Connor Allen
Connor Allen

tfw slowly gaining influence in leftypol

James Robinson
James Robinson

that was a pretty good episode

Jayden Green
Jayden Green

can we change the board message? newfriends may be confused

Nicholas Brooks
Nicholas Brooks

This reply should hopefully be in 1 topic i think - lets see (Marxist from Britain)

Kayden Bennett
Kayden Bennett

i love you drawfriend

Samuel Ward
Samuel Ward

You don't need to fill the name, email and subject fields.
Putting sage on the email field makes it so that your post doesn't bump the thread, please lurk a bit more before posting.

Brody Garcia
Brody Garcia

Welcome, newfriend.

Telling a newfriend to lurk more just because he doesnt know obscure unwritten features

Stop.

Camden Powell
Camden Powell

But yes, you can reply to threads without putting in name, email or subject. Typing "sage" in the email field stops bumping, but you can also just check the "do not bump" box if you want to.

Thomas Scott
Thomas Scott

You can go to anfem breeding dungeon voluntarily if you choose.

David Watson
David Watson

Leave if you're easily offended: we're absolute cunts.

Levi Anderson
Levi Anderson

what the fuck board volunteer? Whats with the hostility toward drawgirl?

Lincoln Price
Lincoln Price

You did good work, Wolff Feeder.

Adam Powell
Adam Powell

implying he's a new friend
implying new friends know what sage is

Daniel Allen
Daniel Allen

There is only hostility here.

"Communism is not love. Communism is a hammer which we use to crush the enemy."
–Comrade Mao

Dominic Russell
Dominic Russell

I didn't get it either. What a cunt.

Julian Jackson
Julian Jackson

implying new friends know what sage is
He ticked the "do not bump" box.

Jackson Reyes
Jackson Reyes

That awkward ass endorsement of leftypol

You know he was embarrassed.

Alexander Sanders
Alexander Sanders

Quality stuff.

I spend a few months coming here, then don't come here for a few months. Not sure why. But every time I come back, it warms my heart to see that our userbase has grown.

Adrian Rodriguez
Adrian Rodriguez

https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nhtw5/richard_d_wolff_economic_update_fixing_capitalism/

Even r/socialism is pleased

Logan Turner
Logan Turner

being sent to anfem breeding dungeon is a great honor, why wouldn't you want to come? Theirs cookies n shit.

David Sanchez
David Sanchez

Two deleted comments already.
No, they're butthurt.

Robert Brooks
Robert Brooks

I'm not feeling /leftypol7 to be any different today

Lincoln Morales
Lincoln Morales

We should do it once a year as a frivolous joke.
Once again, thanks to the folks at LEFTYpol for sponsoring tonight's event.
This is the SECOND time we've had the honor of being supported by that, uh, interesting group of people.

Benjamin Evans
Benjamin Evans

YES

Nolan Hughes
Nolan Hughes

I stop visiting for a day and you fags get noticed by Wolff-sempai, you magnificent comrades!

Ethan Edwards
Ethan Edwards

If I'm remembering rightly that deleted thread was someone asking what leftypol is and a response saying something like 'socialists without idpol'.

Nolan Harris
Nolan Harris

Daily reminder that r/socialism is shit.

Ethan Richardson
Ethan Richardson

I'm tempted to make a post about Stalinist moderation, but I think it'd do more harm than good.

Leo Morales
Leo Morales

Is there a way to see the deleted posts? Like a wayback machine for leddit?

Ryder Thomas
Ryder Thomas

The comment said "ayyy /leftypol/"

Thomas Gutierrez
Thomas Gutierrez

But how do you know?

Jacob Robinson
Jacob Robinson

2764 views so far

I wonder what % actually checks us out.

Gavin King
Gavin King

I saw it before it was deleted

Jordan Parker
Jordan Parker

Its on

Dylan Jackson
Dylan Jackson

Catgrill drawfag is best drawfag.

Landon Garcia
Landon Garcia

I saw /r/latestagecapitalism had a thread about the video, but it looks like it's been deleted now.

Lucas Peterson
Lucas Peterson

And as always, reddit is twelve steps behind the imageboards.

Jack Smith
Jack Smith

Am I about to start a shitstorm? The description box has changed and now cannot see mention of left pol

Josiah Scott
Josiah Scott

Was the response about idpol?
I could have sworn I saw that comment, but my memory might be playing tricks.

Jaxson Sanchez
Jaxson Sanchez

it's still there

Easton James
Easton James

I didn't see the reply to the comment so idk fam

Tyler Thompson
Tyler Thompson

They moved it to the top but removed the clickable link.

Jacob Collins
Jacob Collins

SHOW ME YOUR WAR REEEEEEEEE

Daniel Powell
Daniel Powell

inb4 one of their shitmods takes the money and runs

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

We can only hope

Nathan Anderson
Nathan Anderson

Why the fuck would you go to leddit?

I bet some fucks at r/socialism got in contact with whoever runs the [email protected] channel and told them how deeply triggering and excellent we are.

Camden Perez
Camden Perez

I bet some fucks at r/socialism got in contact with whoever runs the [email protected] channel and told them how deeply triggering and excellent we are.
Oh well, its in the comments and in the video.

Anthony Rogers
Anthony Rogers

Replace the r with a c to make "ceddit" to see deleted posts.

Brandon Jones
Brandon Jones

what's this a reference to?

Eli Nguyen
Eli Nguyen

is excellent (P R O B L E M A T I C) a word filter?

Jaxson Jones
Jaxson Jones

dog bless you user

take my dubs of gratitude

Xavier Butler
Xavier Butler

ah, fucking damn it

Asher Butler
Asher Butler

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure.

Bentley Williams
Bentley Williams

Wow that's neat.

WARNING
If you have a reddit account do not click a direct link to reddit and then vote. They have a bot that may shadowban you.

Evan Roberts
Evan Roberts

They sure love us.

Michael Taylor
Michael Taylor

Btw. they muted me, so I'll never find out what I did wrong.

Lincoln Howard
Lincoln Howard

Btw. they muted me
ofcourse they did

Adrian Ramirez
Adrian Ramirez

you were a socialist on a cointelpro operation, user

thats what you did wrong

Henry Rivera
Henry Rivera

Well done tavarovich

Jaxon Wright
Jaxon Wright

KYS.

central planning sucks ballz

Brandon Campbell
Brandon Campbell

the board where "liberal
" is the worst insult possible and anything that isn't socialist is immediatly disregarded
REACTIONARY

Completely delusional.

Eli Garcia
Eli Garcia

Yo, I'm finally back from work. If anyone has any questions or whatever, fire away.

I'm surprised they gave the link in the first place tbh, I didn't request them to or anything. If anyone is interested they can find the board, but by its nature it's quite a niche. Separating ourselves from Holla Forums may be beneficial in the long run, but transitioning into something else is really quite difficult.

It'd be good, since the Wolffster can always use the money. But getting more people onto Reddit to be influenced by the consensus over there would be pretty shitty tbh.

Thanks man, but that's my old tripcode. I fucked up using one at the time, and had to transition. See image for what happened

You shoulda been in my shoes at the time. The relief that it all went ok was astounding, lmao

Seconded. There's already someone in the Youtube comments talking about how the message said "dead board".

Fucking excellent as per usual. Could do another donation pool in future, if circumstances arise or people desire one. At least with me doing it they know that I'm relatively legit.

Depends what for, but I'm sure we can do something like that in future.

Never spoke to him personally, however I'm sure its a mixture of both. I've been here quite a while, and my reaction is still a mixture of disgust and amusement

God, I hesitate to imagine. We do have a lot of good aspects, but it takes a while to find them, really. Some OG niggas like freudposter and drawfellow inhabit the murky depths

Honestly if you can design a pleasant, well-developed alternative then I'm well up for it.

Gavin Smith
Gavin Smith

Unloading containers was always my favorite thing at my old job. Either I would be working with my buddies and we would play heavy metal and try to keep pace with the music or I would be working with this one massively hot chick who would make the experience fun.

Jacob Mitchell
Jacob Mitchell

Maybe we should set up a Holla Forums friendly subreddit? We shouldn't allow the name of socialism to be ruined by milquetoast, left of center, banhappy SJW 'socialists' on reddit.

Logan Watson
Logan Watson

There's r/leftwithoutedge and r/redflag

John Lewis
John Lewis

It's a sad situation that this shithole serves as many people's first introduction to Socialism.

Isaiah Bell
Isaiah Bell

I can't stand it, unfortunately. My coworkers aren't the most pleasant of people, tbh. It's hard graft and I'm paid £2 under the normal minimum wage for full-time work, so I just spend the entire time thinking about how little I'm getting from it all.

The worst thing of all is that they play a radio station called Kiss FM. It's beyond garbage, speeding into to a new realm of shittitude. If I hear the "Rockabye baby" song one more time I'm going to go mental with a stanley knife

Lucas Ramirez
Lucas Ramirez

Lol I was that first reply. I said "I bet most people here don't support the banning of the words 'stupid/idiot' and I got 100+ upvotes before I got banned

Evan Hernandez
Evan Hernandez

i would make a /r/leftypol subreddit myself but you need to have an account for a month before you can create one and i cant be arsed

Jaxson Stewart
Jaxson Stewart

We can literally do this again, if we all pitch in he'll say Holla Forums within the year

Grayson Ross
Grayson Ross

Here ya go fam
http://bunkermag.org/the-sociology-of-hypernormalisation/

Jacob Ramirez
Jacob Ramirez

Kiss FM
Ouch. Get them to play Rinse.

Joseph Phillips
Joseph Phillips

I bet a majority of people there really don't mind """"brocialism""". It's just the dumb ass mods. Comments like the one you mention getting tons of upvotes are just further evidence of that.

Alexander Campbell
Alexander Campbell

https://www.reddit.com/r/leftypol
I tried but got banned immediately.

Grayson Phillips
Grayson Phillips

It's because it's been banned for two years.

Robert Morgan
Robert Morgan

Hahaha what the fuck

Ryder Cooper
Ryder Cooper

…why?

Angel Johnson
Angel Johnson

we tried years ago guys, but the r/FULLCOMMUNISM got us banned in infancy

Brayden Bailey
Brayden Bailey

A while ago someone mentioned that it's a shame Holla Forums should have been called /prole/. I just checked and /r/prole is virtually empty.

Jacob Wright
Jacob Wright

How the fuck can this subreddit be banned when literal hate subreddits are up? WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH REDDIT?

William Miller
William Miller

Reddit exists to be a marketing platform. Racism is less threatening than leftism.

Jack Allen
Jack Allen

How the fuck can this subreddit be banned when literal hate subreddits are up?
how can legitimate anti-capitalist spaces be banned whilst liberal and fascist variations of idpol remain up

Ryan Sanders
Ryan Sanders

Why would a capitalist company purposefully ban the voices of people who have legitimate criticism of they system they benefit from???

Julian Phillips
Julian Phillips

Maybe just /prol/?

John Collins
John Collins

Then they come here, see "Dead board, go to 8ch.pl" and they're lost forever.

Tyler Gomez
Tyler Gomez

Anything would be better than Kiss FM tbh. Easily the worst radio station on the airwaves. The advertisements are mental, too. One of them especially for some sort of Reality TV version of Netflix is just cancer in audio form.

Gavin Barnes
Gavin Barnes

It's changed now.

Nathan Lopez
Nathan Lopez

Top lel

Aaron Flores
Aaron Flores

OOPS

Landon Wright
Landon Wright

misogynists
A lie doesn't become true through repetition.

Thanks man, but that's my old tripcode. I fucked up using one at the time, and had to transition. See image for what happened
Oh yeah, I forgot. I even saved the new one and everything. Pic related.

oppressive speech
An oxymoron. As Jefferson said, thought or expression, of any kind, "neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket."

I have never hated leddit more than I do at this very moment.

Blake Robinson
Blake Robinson

Not changing it to "An interesting group of people".
Hotpockets, step your game up.

Cooper Powell
Cooper Powell

fuck I love it

Daniel Hernandez
Daniel Hernandez

You do realize "A collective of people engaged in pretty much what the name suggests" is what Professor Wolff used to describe us, right?

Owen Diaz
Owen Diaz

if you see the reddit thread now, it's getting pretty cancerous (Cancer being a debilitating disease that makes you inferior to healthy people) with stupid (Intelligence being a measure of human worth) idpol (muh shitpost flair).
But if you go there and try and correct the record I'm sure the mods will sperg (Aspergers being a mental disorder that decreases your worth as a human being) and delete everything. instead go there and talk about how awful and indefensible leftypol is, and how Crucial it is that the mods of any socialist space march side by side with women, GSMs and the disabled. respond with exasperation and disbelief at anyone who has even lukewarm sympathy for leftypol. We must secure a place for feminism on the internet, and make sure Brocialism does not take hold on /r/socialism :^)

Chase Allen
Chase Allen

Personally I'd have gone with "I love my dead gay ideology"

Brody Long
Brody Long

You do realize that, seconds later, he also called us "an interesting group of people," right?

Nicholas Morales
Nicholas Morales

kek

Logan Long
Logan Long

"I love my dead gay ideology"
That would be hilarious, but I don't think many people would get the reference.

Gabriel Martin
Gabriel Martin

Yeah, just making sure you realized it wasn't just some random phrase. That's what I got from your reply, fam.

Michael Williams
Michael Williams

I just thought the other one would be funnier.

Nathaniel Myers
Nathaniel Myers

For those out of the loop: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMroWnWIqs0

Jonathan Campbell
Jonathan Campbell

Good job, Agitprop Director Catgirl.

Kevin Edwards
Kevin Edwards

If you have a reddit account do not click a direct link to reddit and then vote. They have a bot that may shadowban you.

wtf how

Henry Gonzalez
Henry Gonzalez

When you arrive at a site, if you clicked a link, the site knows where you clicked the link. Reddit admins are massive spergs when it comes to "brigades" (people purposefully going to a thread to skew the up/downvotes). They want voting to occur "organically" where people discover threads on their front page or by going to the subreddit. Note that this is a site-wide thing that the admins do.

Isaiah Fisher
Isaiah Fisher

Then there is SRS, which gets around this by saying "remember to totes not brigade this link", and admins are fine with that.

Jackson Allen
Jackson Allen

leddit is cancer.

Jayden Walker
Jayden Walker

god damn it

i really don't care much for the reddit hate i see online all the time but shit like this is pathetic

Nathan Lee
Nathan Lee

Be me
Go to sleep
Come back
Find out /r/socialism feminazis are already screeching about the fact that Holla Forums wants to focus on socialism instead of the feminist struggle that achieved all its objectives literal decades ago

Looks like somebody did something right.

Robert Peterson
Robert Peterson

feminist struggle that achieved all its objectives literal decades ago

I hate the fucking idpol of /r/socialism mods, but this is a stupid fucking statement

Caleb Myers
Caleb Myers

why are you getting less than minimum? under 25?

Robert Gutierrez
Robert Gutierrez

yes mate. I always like trying to find good pirate radio stations as well. can always find some garage, d&b/jungle or reggae.

Luke Barnes
Luke Barnes

Have some Wolff webms.

Levi Watson
Levi Watson

feminazi

Colton Baker
Colton Baker

Tbh he spends so much time introducing the lecture and thanking various people that viewers might zone out or even skip ahead.

Brandon Hernandez
Brandon Hernandez

They want voting to occur "organically" where people discover threads on their front page or by going to the subreddit.

This defeats the whole purpose of HTTP.

Andrew Williams
Andrew Williams

That's all I've got.

Sebastian Phillips
Sebastian Phillips

If by stupid you mean "objectively, verifiably correct" then yes. Unless of course you're referring to non-Western countries, but what Western feminist actually gives a shit about those? They're too busy talking about how everything is woman hater to pay attention to women in countries where sexism is actually part of the law. No woman in a Western country has any institutional prohibitions specifically directed against them. Western feminism is pure garbage.

Brody Bennett
Brody Bennett

Yes, but I'm getting worse than the minimum for my age (Which is £5.60). I get paid £3.50 an hour, because I'm currently on in an apprenticeship working at an e-commerce company in the warehouse. To put it into perspective, I earn around a third of the AVERAGE wage of an employee in my specific region of the UK.

All the way through education focusing on IT, decided to apply for an "IT Support Apprenticeship" only to find after starting that the apprenticeship course is in customer service (shit), and then find myself almost solely working in the warehouse. Wrapping pallets, hauling shit, sweeping up, taking the bins out, etc.

The worst thing is that my employer (BMW driving bourgescum) gets a £1500 grant from the taxpayer to employ me for the worst wage it's possible to legally employ someone for a 40 hour work week at.

Desperately looking for another job, but I live in the middle of nowhere in the British countryside. Come home every day fatigued and aching for virtually no reason. Can't stand it

Ryder Hall
Ryder Hall

I'm a woman and the green berets denied me my dream to kill foreigners for US interests. I wont stand for this oppression. I demand to be given the same oppurtunity to kill foreigners as men are given.

Wyatt Jenkins
Wyatt Jenkins

I don't think you two are wrong, but I think we should save it for another thread. This can of worms leads to butthurt and walls of text far too often, and I don't want to see this thread derailed.

Ryan Morales
Ryan Morales

commercial radio
I don't understand people voluntarily selecting it over the BBC stations.

Brandon Baker
Brandon Baker

Are you from Banbury or Oxford?

Jack Rivera
Jack Rivera

apprenticeships
I see companies offering apprentice shop assistant positions. It's a scam, and why none of the political parties kick up a fuss about it I don't know.

Aiden Sanchez
Aiden Sanchez

Can we do another one?

Juan Thompson
Juan Thompson

That is like the least ridiculous thing reddit does. Recently their CEO got butthurt by all the Donald Trump supporters so he went and personally edited a bunch of their posts, got caught doing it, and ended up looking like a bigger fool than they are.

Luke Gutierrez
Luke Gutierrez

Lincolnshire
You're damn right. It's nothing more than cheap labour under the guise of education. Why would a firm bother employing people below the minimum wage illegally, when they can do so very easily and completely legally?

Easton Lee
Easton Lee

implying he cares
he's a marksoc, dude. He's hardly in a position to look down on us, honestly

Bentley Edwards
Bentley Edwards

ended up looking like a bigger fool than they are.
than they are
No they are much bigger fools.

Bentley Thomas
Bentley Thomas

that sucks, an absurdly low wage. such a cynical way to reduce the value of labour below the established amount. almost as bad as when they made people on jobseekers work for wetherspoons and poundland for free

Aaron Baker
Aaron Baker

KEK

Carter Martin
Carter Martin

Zesty OC friend 10/10

Carter Rodriguez
Carter Rodriguez

The link to the FAQ thread in the OP is not working

Lincoln Sanchez
Lincoln Sanchez

10/10
Keep up the good work

Joseph Turner
Joseph Turner

This was posted earlier in the thread. See

Luis Morales
Luis Morales

So when do we pool our money for a Superbowl Ad

Gavin Thompson
Gavin Thompson

After we get crowdsource the money to hire Dr. Wolff as our senior consulting economic policy adviser
Soon, comrade!

Isaac Bennett
Isaac Bennett

Reminders

Kevin Martinez
Kevin Martinez

I was there. It was hot as fuck in the room. Also this neckbeard guy in the front row closest to wolff kept turning to look at his mom every five seconds and was hysterical with laughter the entire time. and sometimes when he agreed with something wolff said, he started shaking his head really really fast, like he was nodding, except it kind of looked like a seizure. he would nod his head maybe a few centimeters, probably 5 times a second, for a second or two. it was EXTREMELY autistic. was that anyone here?

also what wolff said about self driving cars needing there to be special hardware installed into roads so that the self driving cars work better, is that true? did he mean in cities, where self driving is supposed to be a lot more difficult?

also, people who say things out loud during the talk, like wolff will say "X" and some guy in the crowd will go, "not just X". dude… no one cares about your opinion. please shut the fuck up and kill yourself. don't know if that made it into the recording.

Lucas Collins
Lucas Collins

don't know if that made it into the recording
I watched the entire thing, didn't see it happen. Worst thing that happened was that the lights went out for a moment during the speech.

Liam Butler
Liam Butler

Reddit's good for finding porn you like ngl
Not much else though

Tyler Hall
Tyler Hall

chan culture is immature
Says the redditor lmao

Mason Thompson
Mason Thompson

jtrig + cointelpro

dont get me wrong, some of the shitposting are by unaffilated people but I think it would be naive to think that nothing a bit more serious isn't happening to both places like this and to places like rebbit

Nathaniel Lewis
Nathaniel Lewis

mfw we did something constructive
/pol/ continues to fantasise about muh day of the rope
plebbit shits about idpol
WE GET SHIT DONE

Ian Gutierrez
Ian Gutierrez

wow. fuck /r/socialism and its jtrig shit

just like says

Aiden Barnes
Aiden Barnes

WE MONEY IN POLITICS NAO

Aiden Bennett
Aiden Bennett

reddit copying ideas from other sites
nothing ever changes

Cameron King
Cameron King

Whoa. Neeto. But you all realize what this means right? The publicity is nice but the only people who might actually stick around are the edgelord youngsters. And now you have to somehow get them to read stuff. Start with the easy books, I guess. Tell them to read Chomsky's Manufacturing Consent.

Also, get them to donate to the Kurdish Red Crescent and hope the money gets to Rojava soon-ish.

It's kinda hopeless.

For a (4)chan user, perpetual online conflict is normal. It is completely normal for us to wade into a swamp of horrible opinions and verbal abuse, and to just start swinging our fists and hope for the best.

The outsider, on the other hand, is accustomed to order and control. For the outsider, this place will look like a schoolyard fulla bullies fucked up on coke.

DEAR VISITORS, PLEASE TAKE NOTE:

1. THERE ARE (ALMOST) NO RULES AGAINST VERBAL ABUSE ON THIS BOARD
2. THERE ARE (ALMOST) NO RULES AGAINST HORRIBLE OPINIONS ON THIS BOARD

PUT UP YOUR DUKES

PS: THE REST OF THIS SITE WANTS US DEAD. ENJOY!

Sorry about the digital shouting, but this should have been in the OP if you ask me. Hope this helps! :^)

Someone might be testing the waters and checking to see how many of us believe the CIA report.

Jaxon Parker
Jaxon Parker

LADS LADS LADS
We /raggedtrouseredphilanthropists/ now

Chase Rogers
Chase Rogers

He's very easy to listen to

Definitely more engaging than the vast majority of Marxists

Elijah Johnson
Elijah Johnson

Coming soon: the Holla Forums super PAC

Austin Martin
Austin Martin

I'm sure le Marxist billionaire Soros will be helping us out

Ryan Ward
Ryan Ward

If I hear the "Rockabye baby" song one more time I'm going to go mental with a stanley knife

Oh, that changes everything. Music makes such a difference that you would not believe it. I remember my metalhead friend and I clearing and pallatizing a container in under four hours when it was supposed to take us eight just because we had a bunch of Slayer albums playing at full volume while we worked. We came out of that box just drenched in sweat and feeling like our arms were about to fall off. The look on the manager's face was priceless when we told him that we were done. Yeah, we did a Porky a favor, but it was a fucking blast.

Jacob Fisher
Jacob Fisher

r/leftwithoutedge
r/redflag
Any others, comrades? Gonna follow those two for time being.

Easton Torres
Easton Torres

WE DID IT GUYS!!!!

Jaxson Reyes
Jaxson Reyes

Jefferson
I'm not one for disregarding people's accomplishments or ideas because of their flaws but especially with all the newcomers here, someone like Jefferson needs a giant asterisk by their name. He was not a good guy.

Asher Rogers
Asher Rogers

Kek
Recruit Porkies

Jason Edwards
Jason Edwards

Fucking amazing ahahaha

Can't you just copy such links directly to the address bar and so completely circumvent these stupid bots? That works right? No one can tell where the hell you came from when you "manually" enter the address.

Matthew Hill
Matthew Hill

Can't you just copy such links directly to the address bar and so completely circumvent these stupid bots?
Yes. I forgot to mention that.

Chase Anderson
Chase Anderson

So credit where credit is due. I made some flippant reports on random comments, trying to get an over-reaction from the mods. to "I'm anticipating catgirl comics" I wrote "Catgirls are an expression of sexist objectification". Handsomejack94 has just reposted that report as a comment "Catgirls are an expression of woman hater objectification". It seems he as a mod is willing to let what he views as "misogynist objectification" get discussed, without banning everyone, even though he is sitting at -5 right now. Everyone give Handsomejack94 some appreciation.

Kevin Fisher
Kevin Fisher

2017
Not being a libertarian market socialist

Matthew Fisher
Matthew Fisher

He was not a good guy
So? The quality of an idea shouldn't be weighed by the identity of the people holding them.

Ryder Reyes
Ryder Reyes

Using leddit

Jordan Brown
Jordan Brown

Did you read my post? I said as much, just that it's also important to point out (especially to newcomers) that Jefferson is not our guy.

Aiden Powell
Aiden Powell

making a minor charitable donation several months ago is not something to brag about. I don't even know where the money went, because "production" of an economic update should be cheap as shit. he appears to be lecturing in a room at a university, which are usually available for free, and he speaks for over an hour with no interruption. minimal editing in this video.
Regardless of the expensive advertising, don't pat yourself on the back. you got about as much done as a liberal who buys a fair trade espresso every day.

Gavin Hughes
Gavin Hughes

market

Easton Gonzalez
Easton Gonzalez

our guys
They don't exist. Everyone is flawed, and there are no heroes.

Daniel Myers
Daniel Myers

planning
Good luck maximizing social utility without effective, distributed signaling mechanisms, fuccboi.

Lucas Powell
Lucas Powell

Good gif.

Landon Cox
Landon Cox

I like how Gulag is a seperate option from Hard labor. I like to think they have two work camps, one where everyone uses socialist slogans and fake russian accents and period clothes, and the other where they do the same work and just beat you with sticks for slacking.

Jonathan Garcia
Jonathan Garcia

OK but Jefferson was a literal slaveowner who had debatably consensual sex with his slaves.

Carson Ramirez
Carson Ramirez

I didn't say you should be his fucking boyfriend, m8. He had a lot of good ideas, and I posted one of them.

Ethan Gomez
Ethan Gomez

Catgirl drawfag made this.

If you're here, please do Marxian Economist Wolff-man.

Adam Sullivan
Adam Sullivan

She already did.

Cameron Flores
Cameron Flores

Oc pls r8.

Lucas Rodriguez
Lucas Rodriguez

Pretty good, famrade

Dylan Rivera
Dylan Rivera

Shit work on the text at the top. The rest is acceptable enough. 3/10, apply yourself.

Parker Foster
Parker Foster

Top kek, this please.

Christian Gray
Christian Gray

It was intentional.

Camden King
Camden King

Too avant-garde for me.

Grayson Martin
Grayson Martin

Then intentionally fix it.

Jason Diaz
Jason Diaz

I call this one "Austic Virgin Holla Forums mod"

Hunter Phillips
Hunter Phillips

kek. but seriously, this

Don't do that. You'll attract a shit crowd.

Connor Edwards
Connor Edwards

kek, what's the original?

Elijah Sullivan
Elijah Sullivan

I think it's a parody of xkcd.

Colton Reyes
Colton Reyes

That is the original. It's a parody of this webcomic: https://www.xkcd.com

Julian Reed
Julian Reed

i know that, what i meant was which comic in particular? arent they numbered?

Hudson Davis
Hudson Davis

It's just making fun of xkcd in general.

Andrew Price
Andrew Price

It mocks the style of the comic, not a particular one of them.

Josiah Watson
Josiah Watson

I don't think it's a parody of any particular comic. It isn't an edit of an existing comic, since that obviously wasn't drawn by Randall.

Jackson Lee
Jackson Lee

4/pol/ helped the Russians bomb ISIS positions not once but twice. Sorry but they definitely have the edge.

An ancap ancom? Capcom?

Justin Hernandez
Justin Hernandez

Wanting markets makes me an ancap.
Posting Alunya makes me an ancom.
You are more than a little confused, friendo.

David Rogers
David Rogers

Have another
Reminder Alunya is non-sectarian

Noah Roberts
Noah Roberts

Reminder Alunya is non-sectarian
This. The red and black isn't that she's ancom, it's more like the red and black flag together.

Dylan Hernandez
Dylan Hernandez

real time decentralised planning will be far better than the pseudoscientific vagaries of the "market"

Adam Taylor
Adam Taylor

real time decentralised planning
Is this the hot new meme?

Hunter Scott
Hunter Scott

Oc pls r8.

Christian Stewart
Christian Stewart

buttmad af

Brayden Gutierrez
Brayden Gutierrez

real time decentralised planning
Then your inefficiencies and lost utility will be created in real time.
Memeing aside, I don't think planned socialism is the worst thing on Earth, and I'd rather have it than capitalism. But I think that, as long as production of basic necessities requires a significant amount of human labor, that markets are superior. They provide mechanisms for funneling capital into production that society as a whole views as more useful, without requiring any conscious effort to do so. That said, I'm not one of those "markets are perfect" people–any system has advantages and disadvantages, and any system can break down if subjected to certain stresses.
If and when we get to a technological level where only a trivial amount of labor is necessary materially reproduce society, I'm all for planning. Until then, I'm not.

Joseph Gutierrez
Joseph Gutierrez

Go to bed, Randall.

Isaac Martinez
Isaac Martinez

*necessary to materially reproduce society

Jose Gomez
Jose Gomez

7/10 decent

Jackson Green
Jackson Green

Inaccurate, you see, it's perfectly feasible to be both a smug intellectualist vanguard and aggressively pander to literal stupidity.

Gabriel Cruz
Gabriel Cruz

Well we're sending some comrades over to fight ISIS with the YPG. Checkmate /pol/.

Mason Sanchez
Mason Sanchez

mfw trump gives out tax cuts

Easton King
Easton King

literally weaponizing autism

Henry Taylor
Henry Taylor

lel they just banned catgirl drawfriend from /r/socialism

David Myers
David Myers

lol

Jeremiah Williams
Jeremiah Williams

It's been part of socialist thinking since the 19th century

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Cybersyn

http://www.walkingbutterfly.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/participatory-planning-michael-albert-robin-hahnel.pdf

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parecon

If Chile could do it pre-internet, why the fuck can't we today?

Jeremiah Nelson
Jeremiah Nelson

now she has more time to make catgirls for us

Jace Garcia
Jace Garcia

It's been part of socialist thinking since the 19th century
I know that.

If Chile could do it pre-internet
They couldn't.

Grayson Morgan
Grayson Morgan

Can the next leftypol prank be to pool capital for an ethical NGO third world troll factory to swamp these goons? I'm tired of their shit.

Lincoln Murphy
Lincoln Murphy

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually fascinated by the subject, I'm obsessed with the Soviet cyberneticians and how they could have changed socialism. It's just that I've seen it mentioned a fair bit here lately as a magic bullet a la FALC.

Catgirls, why not catboys, am I right?

Benjamin Hill
Benjamin Hill

We really should have some qt revolutionary catboys though.

Jason Cook
Jason Cook

I'm fine with cute catboys.

Jacob Moore
Jacob Moore

They couldn't.

They never got the chance to properly use it, thanks to ebin helicopter man. But it had some use and immense promise, even for a very primitive effort.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/04/allende-chile-beer-medina-cybersyn/

"As a result, Beer and the Chilean team came up with an ingenious way to create the data-processing network they needed to link the country’s factories to the central command center: they would connect the one outdated computer they had for the project to another technology that was not state-of-the-art: the telex machine — or rather, several hundred of them. And it worked.

In 1972, a national strike that grew to include forty thousand truck drivers threw the country into a state of emergency and disrupted the distribution of food, fuel, and raw materials for factory production. The government used the telex network created for Project Cybersyn to determine which roads were open, coordinate the distribution of key resources, and maintain factory production.

The Cybersyn network improved government communication and substantially increased the speed and frequency at which the government could send and receive messages along the length of the country. It lacked the technological sophistication of ARPANET, the US military communications system that was the forerunner of the Internet and a contemporary of Chile’s telex system. But the Chilean network used fewer technical resources at a lower cost and proved highly functional nonetheless. Older technologies were creatively re-envisioned and combined with other forms of organizational and social innovation."

Gavin Jenkins
Gavin Jenkins

How do you cointelpro the cointelpro? really gets your creative nothings flowing.

a nice idea might be to somehow get an account in good-standing with the mods by sucking their metaphorical dicks. Perhaps these accounts could stir shit by "reporting" on random other accounts by erroneously claiming harrassment in PMs, with faked screenshots and all. Not sure if the mods have any way to verify, so if its done carefully, to targets that arent obviously innocent it could really stir up shit

Jeremiah Lee
Jeremiah Lee

Entryism you say?

Blake Martin
Blake Martin

I unironically like xkcd. plsnobully

Thomas Walker
Thomas Walker

My understanding of modern feminism is that it's focused on essentially restructuring culture such that any existing bias on basis of gender, whether sub-conscious or not, is eliminated.

If there are any new friends lurking, I don't think the majority of the board opposes that general idea, but rather feels that such a complete evolution would be extremely slow, and additionally that many of these cultural notions are deeply connected with material analyses that get left out of most contemporary feminist analyses.

But since we are an anonymous image board, it's easy to equate the views of a few very loud shitposters with our entire user-base. So in general, I don't think new users should trust anything that is said to be "/leftpol/'s opinion,"; advice that rings true for any user image-board.

Levi Gomez
Levi Gomez

Nothing actually wrong with that, but don't underestimate the sheer raw libarts kid pathos on here

Andrew Mitchell
Andrew Mitchell

muh sokal affair
pathos, am i saying that right? pathos?
stemtards are pathetic

beholden baby. that's capitalism for you. if you don't like it, welp,

Kayden Foster
Kayden Foster

how extra fucking retarded must you be to think this

pure fucking liberalism

John Carter
John Carter

People there are talking about also donating to Wolff now. Was our moment in the limelight really worth potentially promoting that dump on Reddit?

Chase Reed
Chase Reed

I mean at least the money is going to a good cause.

Landon Cox
Landon Cox

He says, dragging around an inferiority complex the size of New Jersey

Landon Edwards
Landon Edwards

regret
Nope

Camden Richardson
Camden Richardson

tfw to dumb for philosophy
casually invokes freudian psychoanalysis

Nathan Rogers
Nathan Rogers

I know about Cybersyn, and yes, I agree that it's fascinating.
But planning with artificial markets is the worst of both worlds. You lose the main benefit of planning, since not all workers are entitled to the same basket of goods anymore–instead, they get paid. But the money is just a signaling mechanism to tell the planners how closely the plan matches the people's preferences. However, because market forces aren't determining people's incomes, this signaling is, by its very nature, distorted, because there's no way of knowing if you're "paying enough." And you have to deal with the problem of price-setting, which just complicates things further.
In my opinion, either have planning or have markets, but don't try to reconcile the two, because it's impossible to do in a way that even approaches rationality.

Tyler Moore
Tyler Moore

It's always the same guy bitching about the sokal affair, as if anyone's critique of the bourgeois standstill sciences actually reduced to one guy getting nonsense published

Colton Morris
Colton Morris

Implying they'll do it.
SJWs are nothing if not money-hungry. I bet there are loads of people on r/socialism with Paterons.

Adam Reed
Adam Reed

COINTELPRO funding Marxian economists
Sounds like a win-win

Mason Stewart
Mason Stewart

If we want to subvert /r/socialism, we should find every modern leftist with even a shred of relevency. Sort through their work to find any place where they used the word "Stupid", create a bunch of wishy washy liberal articles about why they are awful, and why they need to self-criticize, and then use /r/socialism as the platform to boycott and make them "do not post" material.
We also need to stalk everyone who posts there who also posts on anime subreddits, and get them banned, because liberals have a stick up their ass about anime.

Benjamin Ward
Benjamin Ward

goes to Holla Forums once

Noah Young
Noah Young

If we want to subvert /r/socialism
We shouldn't bother. It makes us look like bogeymen to the sincere socialists on there, and requires a lot of time and effort to do little more than piss off the ruling clique of pseudocialists, netting us nothing useful.

Julian Walker
Julian Walker

goes to r/socialism
looks at mods
first mod
democratic socialism

Aiden Nelson
Aiden Nelson

this
we should just provide a better platform and elevate our status as online socialist community

Noah Torres
Noah Torres

/r/ing you're golden webm

Justin Price
Justin Price

gotcha fam

Christopher Young
Christopher Young

I think it was already posted.

Carter Wood
Carter Wood

settle down amadeo

Leo Taylor
Leo Taylor

what? They're ears aren't Felis Catus, They're obviously all Panthera Catgirls. no domesticated animals here.

Thomas Young
Thomas Young

Implying cats are domesticated.
They're assholes. If anything, they're wild animals who are just together enough (or psychotic enough) to rein in their worst tendencies in exchange for humans giving them food.

Ethan Watson
Ethan Watson

NO U!
wew lass

Tyler Peterson
Tyler Peterson

Accuse them of marginalizing furries, that should do 'em in. Use the word "fursecution" unironically.

Nicholas Bell
Nicholas Bell

WEW

Cooper Morgan
Cooper Morgan

he's not wrong, we're LITERALLY SHAKING whenever we see women because we're /r9k/ in disguise. Right guys?

fucking redditors i hate them so much

Ryder Brooks
Ryder Brooks

to the sincere socialists on there
I honestly don't know what a sincere socialist would be doing in a shithole like that.
There's only cointelpro, petit-bourgeois kids whom sincerely believe the left it's just idpol and mentally ill faggots over there. Not a single "sincere socialist" to be seem.

Alexander Roberts
Alexander Roberts

There were a couple people defending us in the RDW thread on r/socialism that was linked. Why would they do that if they weren't sincere?

Brayden Cooper
Brayden Cooper

jej

Brandon James
Brandon James

Reddit mods are notorious for their circlejerk networking backchannels. I don't think infiltrating the mod team is feasible.
Agitating the userbase might work, from the ban discussions that have been posted it looks like the mods are smug assholes. How you agitate without getting banned is the question. Can reddit mods hand out IP bans?

It makes us look like bogeymen to the sincere socialists on there,
I saw some guy there claiming that the anti-anti-ableism posters were 4chan trolls, by which he might have meant us. If we could get them to start making claims like 'those leftypol sinners are the ones pushing for free discussion!', or 'those leftypol pigs don't even want to ban women for drawing catgirls!' it would work in our favour.

http://imgur.com/a/ATM0E
This had 1000 respondents, so take it as you will.

Aaron Williams
Aaron Williams

I don't have a lot of hope. To become a mod of one of these subteddits these days means you have to be a lowly spineless worm that's cowed by any threat of being "called out" and you must also be willing to join the pitchfork mob, either actively or with passive deference, and just do that for years.

I don't have much hope of getting people to openly question moderation on a subreddit either. Its never worked before. At best, you'll get a lot of bans and discontents drifting away– and some of them might end up here. Others might end up in other camps that are skeptical of their moderation philosophy, not necessarily on the left. The mods won't chang. For their part they will throw away socialism in an existing form to build their little bouncy castle that's comfortable for them.

Ryan Roberts
Ryan Roberts

Alunya is non-sectarian
cool story anons

Carter Wilson
Carter Wilson

fucken saved

Brayden Gutierrez
Brayden Gutierrez

Her creator has said so more than once.

Jayden Cooper
Jayden Cooper

i was at the rd wolff talk in person. Guarantee pretty much no-one there knew what leftypol was

Nolan Bell
Nolan Bell

So?

Blake Davis
Blake Davis

Welp, you've dragged RDW into your 20-something leftist battles.

you guys sponsor RDW
/r/socialism sponsors RDW, asks that he not accept funding from /lefty/ for all of the usual reasons.
RDW will now have to weigh in on gender issues and Identity Politics, all of it.

I hope you're happy making Grandpa choose sides. The left wasn't fractured enough as it was.

Juan Phillips
Juan Phillips

Way to be a pessimist.

Jordan Diaz
Jordan Diaz

Wolff will not accept money just because someone else tells them to
What do you think he is?

Gavin Wright
Gavin Wright

He can make he own choices but he'll have to defend his choices. Will he choose us or the identitarians?

Juan Morgan
Juan Morgan

r/socialism is imploding on itself right now, lots of people seem to be getting fed up with the mod team censoring 'ableism'. Hopefully, r/socialism cleans up the identity politics and refocuses on class and socialism as the name would fucking suggest.

Zachary Clark
Zachary Clark

he'll have to defend his choices
To who? Shitposters on leddit? Who gives a fuck. Worst case scenario, they ask him not to accept our funding in the future. He can tell them "no" and it will have no repercussions.

Leo Carter
Leo Carter

Will he choose us or the identitarians?
He doesn't have to choose shit. He talks about cooperative, he can leave autistic idpol aside by ignoring it, you know, like we want to.

Jeremiah Gomez
Jeremiah Gomez

reddit mods doing anything
As a former moderator on reddit subreddit I find that hard to believe. I'm just glad I'm far away from that cancer

Bentley Hill
Bentley Hill

Apparently r/socialism is in a bit of a shambles right now. People are openly questioning the moderators, and bans are flying thick and fast.
Maybe some of the discontents will come here. I wouldn't mind that. I'd still bully them, though.

Jaxon Perry
Jaxon Perry

Linking these posts here because it's important. If any /r/socialism motherfuckers try to harangue RDW, just show him this shit and he'll take our side in a hot second. It's the most fucking revolting thing I've ever seen SJWs say.

Ian Nelson
Ian Nelson

Fuck off, keep it in its own thread.

Jeremiah Evans
Jeremiah Evans

Where did everybody get the idea that RDW gave a fuck about us?

Ayden Davis
Ayden Davis

using a libertarian and the meme surrounding him to criticize markets

Daniel Phillips
Daniel Phillips

fucking this. Cats are egoist exemplars

Levi Sullivan
Levi Sullivan

If anything /r/socialism would be dragging him into our leftist battles.

Julian Hernandez
Julian Hernandez

uncool post faggot
plebbit
doing anything

Nathan Garcia
Nathan Garcia

how about he won't give a shit as long as he's paid by plebs to hold events and speeches?

Oliver Gonzalez
Oliver Gonzalez

In the future, will RDW comment on the fact pricklycactus is still a mod?

Thanks

Lucas Carter
Lucas Carter

It was just a joke fam, since when is fun not allowed here?

besides re-read your cap specifically the tl;dr;… I interpret Alunya like pic-related in my post above.

Jace Cruz
Jace Cruz

Neat

Elijah Cook
Elijah Cook

like a proper leftist RDW will take whatever money, say thanks to whoever gave it to him, and the do whatever he wants with it

Hunter Barnes
Hunter Barnes

But I love them so much ;_;

Jayden Brown
Jayden Brown

Hey comrade what's your second clip from?

Colton Torres
Colton Torres

The answer is a resounding no. I just came here (not because of the RDW vid) but just over time I have spent more and more here than on lefty reddit.

Too much "woe is me" idpol going on there, I just had to leave, way too toxic

Dylan Young
Dylan Young

So much butthurt in that thread.

Jace Barnes
Jace Barnes

/our guy/

Logan Taylor
Logan Taylor

It's scary how accurate that picture is.

Xavier Rogers
Xavier Rogers

For those out of the loop, catgrill drawfag got banned from /r/socialism. Here's the deleted exchange. Handsomejack94 is the mod that banned her. Second pic is the reasoning. Leftist reddit is brewing a shitstorm about this and subsequent bannings. We're having a thread about it over here

Nolan Peterson
Nolan Peterson

Fixed cropping error.

Jacob Wright
Jacob Wright

I seriously can't believe they searched her out like that lol

It's be one thing if she posted the comics there– but she didn't. The mods investigated her.

Gabriel Green
Gabriel Green

You know what's the worst thing about this? I bet 100% that poster is some virgin male feminist who has no idea what feminism is even about.

Blake Perry
Blake Perry

fuggen dis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGC3uJadXh0

Alexander Moore
Alexander Moore

mfw Holla Forums tricks the COINTELPRO subreddits into donating money to someone actually doing something for leftism

Ryan Adams
Ryan Adams

RDW
someone actually doing something for leftism
What will you do if Wolff sides with reddit and proclaims catgirls woman hater objectification?

Evan Nelson
Evan Nelson

Die inside.

Carson Martinez
Carson Martinez

Next Week:
"Hello, I'm Richard Wolff, and in this episode of economic update we'll be examing an artist coop dedicated to producing pornographic pictures of women with animal ears as an alternative to capitalism"

Kayden Diaz
Kayden Diaz

Who of you guys is harassing reddit shitposters? kek

Cooper Anderson
Cooper Anderson

Here is an idea!
How about a reddit catgirl that doesn't accept the fact she's a cat girl and so on and is a critic of reddit in general??

Blake Ramirez
Blake Ramirez

you might think it's okay to be a woman hater because you're a woman

Charles Hall
Charles Hall

oh my sweet child, if you only knew….

Ethan Perez
Ethan Perez

"They're an interesting group of people."

♥♥♥♥ALPHA WOLFF♥♥♥♥

Asher Anderson
Asher Anderson

Holy shit what a bunch of dickheads

Jordan Turner
Jordan Turner

Kek this shit is literally on the front page of reddit. We did it guise!

Alexander Perry
Alexander Perry

To be fair the shitfest it generated over there is worht it.

Easton Thompson
Easton Thompson

Best money I ever spent

Elijah Watson
Elijah Watson

Holla Forums reached out and created a bridge into a more mainstream medium. This is constructive and there is no reason to react the way you are.

Levi Bell
Levi Bell

I don't know, sorry.

Colton Cox
Colton Cox

tfw we are the weird quirky comic relief of the left.

Brandon Morales
Brandon Morales

So plebbit's this mad at our successful agit prop while they concurrently fall into an even deeper vortex of """self-critical""" nihilistic despair? Nice.

Ethan Myers
Ethan Myers

Link?

Colton Reyes
Colton Reyes

https://www.reddit dot com/

Chase Morales
Chase Morales

I don't see any mention of it. Could it be that they use that system of your browsing and search history determine what appear on the front page?

Carter Bailey
Carter Bailey

Wow, there is no mention of this or us at all.

But Volvo actually released their new TF2 comic. So I guess I'm going to check that out instead.

Chase Collins
Chase Collins

it's number 16, last time I checked. The one about public criticism of leaders.

Caleb Richardson
Caleb Richardson

you need to go to /r/all probably

David Sanders
David Sanders

This, exactly.

Jordan James
Jordan James

It's not there. At least tell us which subreddit it is.

Angel White
Angel White

whoever runs the democracy at work youtube channel actually thanked us in the comments section.

Daniel Morales
Daniel Morales

Subreddit drama.
It's about the leadership post on r/socialism
Bonus:
https://www.reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nr0e8/sharing_my_perspective_on_things_thatve_been/
https://ceddit.com/r/socialism/new

Tyler Cook
Tyler Cook

thanks.

banning the political catgirls artist
Holy fucking shit.

Luis Adams
Luis Adams

dumb, dumber, r/socialism mods

Robert Davis
Robert Davis

leftypol has like 800 actives users
/r/socialism has like 80,000 subscribers
leftypol has brought /r/socialism to its knees without even really trying
are we, dare I say, the elite units of the online leftist community

Nathaniel Davis
Nathaniel Davis

They have a ton of subscribers, but I don't think they have nearly that many active users. r/socialism is a shitstorm right now, yet they're sitting at around 1,200 users currently visiting.
I suspect a lot of people subscribed to r/socialism to get good boy points with the SJW circlejerk, and then never bothered looking at it again.

Dominic Garcia
Dominic Garcia

Jefferson was toxic
Oh, look another hysterical SJW with absurdly unreal standards of morality. I say let those who have never boinked a 14yo gal who is the best friend of your daughter of the same age and also your slave cast the first stone.

Logan Rivera
Logan Rivera

So…I guess I can cast a stone, then.

Jack Gray
Jack Gray

Half of these subscribers are bots, the other half slacktivist, who think by subscribing to r/socialism they are doing something.

Brody Bell
Brody Bell

lel
r/socialism mods are """""on strike""""" at just the same time that someone is trying to stir up half/pol/ to shitpost there. Gosh, what a coincidence, I wonder who could be behind it all.

Ryan Watson
Ryan Watson

HEY, user WHO MADE THE 8CH.PL RDW THREAD, DELETE IT, LOTS OF FUCKERY ABOUT FROM HALF/POL/. WE DON'T WANT THEM COMING HERE FROM 8CH.PL.

Kevin Smith
Kevin Smith

That mysogynist, ableist, reactionary cunt!

Nicholas Phillips
Nicholas Phillips

distributed signaling mechanisms
This! I can think much faster since I took an axe to my brain to decentralize my signals.

Colton Ward
Colton Ward

The point is that markets don't have a single point of failure. Their distributed nature makes them resistant to bad signals, which lets capital and consumer goods be priced at levels that will (usually) result in optimal social utility.

Christian Perez
Christian Perez

stop posting any day now

Xavier Peterson
Xavier Peterson

Marxists don't like markets.
Already knew that, famalam. I'm not a Marxist, though, so I don't hold to the Marxian labor theory of value.

Evan Young
Evan Young

The point is that markets don't have a single point of failure.
Markets are failure. They are constantly failing, except you've been conditioned to believe that this is how "working" should look like.

Their distributed nature makes them resistant to bad signals
No, it doesn't. Market bubbles happen all the time.

which lets capital and consumer goods be priced at levels that will (usually) result in optimal social utility.
The opposite is explicitly true, which should be obvious to anyone who is not worshipping The Invisible Hand. Use value is different from exchange value.

I'm not a Marxist, though
This doesn't make you invulnerable to the economic laws. You are still overpaying for goods, you are still forced to buy low-quality goods, you are still being exploited by the employer.

Eli Powell
Eli Powell

you've been conditioned to believe that this is how "working" should look like.
I'm not talking about markets under capitalism, I'm talking about market mechanisms, divorced from private property and its effects.

Market bubbles happen all the time.
Yes, markets are not perfectly efficient. However, they can be more efficient than planning, and usually are, because planning lacks signaling mechanisms. That's always been my point. The most efficient economic system would be a telepathic computer that could weigh each individual's qualitative and heterogeneous utilities that different goods and services provide, and match it against a complete index of society's resources, capital, and labor. But we can't do that, so our choices are markets and planning. After capitalism is abolished, I'd be fine with either, but I'd prefer markets. Don't start with that "markets = capitalism" shit, I know you want to, but don't.

Use value is different from exchange value.
"Use value" isn't value, Marxist. :^)

Memeing aside, on the issue of value, I'm a marginalist, though I think the early marginalists were more correct; they saw utility as something that couldn't be quantified, or at least not reliably quantified, even through money. Later Austrian school economists just thought "price = marginal utility :::DDDD"

Carter Wood
Carter Wood

I haven't been to Holla Forums in a few months, but I popped by after seeing the recent idioticy on /r/socialism and them blaming you guys for the evils of catgirls.

What happened besides this dude giving a speech? Was there some change to the moderation here?

Parker Flores
Parker Flores

I'm a marginalist
So you put all the food you consume in a blender?

Austin Bell
Austin Bell

Was there some change to the moderation here?
No, the board is just in a bit of a tizzy due to the RDW video we sponsored, and due to the recent shitstorm on r/socialism.
Moderation here has been pretty hands-off and pretty consistent for as long as I can remember. If you have concerns, bring them up in the moderation feedback sticky.

Chase Hughes
Chase Hughes

Only if the blender has an etched engraving of Jevons on it. :^)

Wyatt Sullivan
Wyatt Sullivan

PHASE 1 COMPLETE

INITIATE PHASE 2

Dominic Cooper
Dominic Cooper

Moderation here has been pretty hands-off and pretty consistent for as long as I can remember. If you have concerns, bring them up in the moderation feedback sticky.

Having been away for a while, I don't have any concerns yet.

But when I used to hang out here, the moderation was very hands off, just the way it should be.

Jace Rivera
Jace Rivera

I didn't donate but I got a giddy shiver up my spine when he said LEFYPOL

thanks to those who did :)

Brody Wright
Brody Wright

market mechanisms, divorced from private property and its effects.
Which changes exactly nothing. Markets under Socialism are called State Capitalism for a reason.

they can be more efficient than planning, and usually are
Even clusterfuck of a decentralized planning in revisionist USSR was clunking along more efficiently than Capitalist states.

Yes, Planning can (in theory) be mismanaged. But you need to sabotage it deliberately. It's like car and horse. You can kill yourself, if you crash at 200 km/h in the wall, but this doesn't make horse better choice.

because planning lacks signaling mechanisms.
That's not how it works. Planning has more signalling mechanisms. If you want something in the market you can either buy it or not buy it. And the producer will know the result only after he produces things.

Planning has the same signalling mechanism - and others, in addition to it. You know, the ones that allow to predict things that will happen in the future, not predict what happened a few weeks ago - as market mechanism does.

Don't start with that "markets = capitalism" shit, I know you want to, but don't.
But that's the crux of the problem. If you want to Socialism, you need to socialize economy. And you can do it only with the power of the Almighty State, by managing thing centrally.

"Use value" isn't value,
Stop breathing then.

P.s. I should probably explain that Planning IRL is far removed from your "manage everything" idea (which is retarded; Soviets managed - planned - less than 100 commodities, IIRC), and most of consumer goods weren't planned in any way. This Central Planning people imagine is no different from the dreaded Socialization of Women people have been accusing Communists of since forever.

Luke Wright
Luke Wright

No, he's said some pretty unkind things about how markets work in the past. He just thinks that worker cooperatives are the most important way to transition away from capitalism.

James Gonzalez
James Gonzalez

Markets under Socialism are called State Capitalism for a reason.
I'm talking about worker cooperatives operating in a market economy, not about state-run enterprise and artificial markets (i.e., the Soviet model). The latter has the worst of both worlds, in my opinion.

Planning has more signalling mechanisms.
I guess that depends on how participatory and how granular the process is for coming up with the plan. Yes, you could rely on people's individual preferences, through some directly democratic process where people submit a list of their desired goods and services. But markets are more immediately responsive (both to new needs and to changing priorities), and this kind of planning can introduce problems, where people either don't think about everything they'll need, or misestimate the quantities. Though, to be fair, those problems with planning will probably be overcome as people get more used to assessing and prioritizing their needs in that way.

the producer will know the result only after he produces things.
Yes, but he's continuously producing, so quotas and sales models can be continuously changed. Plans, by their nature, must cover a distinct set of time, and while you may be able to recognize shortages and surpluses during the plan's lifetime, it's not going to be as quick to change, especially if your planning was done on a directly democratic basis.

Planning has the same signalling mechanism
No, it doesn't. Markets use price. Planning doesn't have that. And if you're advocating planning with money and prices, that's a whole other can of worms (that I think I discussed earlier in the thread, too).

the ones that allow to predict things that will happen in the future
Impossible, both as a matter of physics and as a practical reality. You can get reasonable guesses at best, but in markets, the guesses are continuous, so there's no lower limit on the rapidness with which changes can be implemented. With planning, there is.

Stop breathing then.
Hey, I'm just going by Marx on that one. Value isn't utility isn't price.

your "manage everything" idea
I don't have a particularly concrete idea of how planning would/should go, comr8. I imagined a typical, hierarchical set of local, regional, and national planning committees coming up with an annual production plan, but I didn't go much beyond that.

Soviets managed - planned - less than 100 commodities
most of consumer goods weren't planned in any way
Then can you elaborate on the planning model you have in mind?

This Central Planning people imagine is no different from the dreaded Socialization of Women people have been accusing Communists of since forever.
Give me a little credit, I'm not one of those retards.

Michael Rodriguez
Michael Rodriguez

What talk are these ones from?

Nathaniel Johnson
Nathaniel Johnson

I don't know, sorry.

Julian Carter
Julian Carter

Markets under Socialism are called State Capitalism for a reason.
No.

Jonathan Adams
Jonathan Adams

I'm talking about worker cooperatives operating in a market economy, not about state-run enterprise and artificial markets (i.e., the Soviet model). The latter has the worst of both worlds, in my opinion.
There is no one "Soviet model". There are several models: War Communism, NEP, "Stalinist" economy, Khrushchev Revisionism, Brezhnev Revisionism, and Perestroika.

I'm talking about "Stalinist", obviously. But it had co-ops that operated within market economy (eradicated in late 1950s by revisionists), so I'm not sure what you mean. Kosygin reforms?

Planning has more signalling mechanisms.
But markets are more immediately responsive (both to new needs and to changing priorities),
How? Explain to me what mechanism Market has, Planning doesn't.

Yes, but he's continuously producing, so quotas and sales models can be continuously changed.
Plans, by their nature, must cover a distinct set of time
Nope-nope-nope. First and foremost, plans are priorities. You have general goals (build industrial cluster that will produce something; which means you need hydro plant there and nuclear power plant here;), the rest are guidelines. It's obviously more complicated than that, but it's not some inflexible time-table you have to follow to the letter or everything goes kaput.

it's not going to be as quick to change, especially if your planning was done on a directly democratic basis.
Democracy sets goals and gives promises ("we promise to produce that much of this stuff, so you can count on us", for example). The rest is job of managers.

No, it doesn't. Markets use price. Planning doesn't have that.
Planning can use price. It's just inefficient to be bound by price alone (which is the curse of market). Which is why markets go belly-up without finance (it exists to circumvent problems price causes).

the ones that allow to predict things that will happen in the future
Impossible, both as a matter of physics and as a practical reality.
If I order car next year, producer can be certain that he can sell car to me.

Then can you elaborate on the planning model you have in mind?
There isn't one set "planning".

First phase would be NEP-like State Capitalism with pre-existing corporations being managed by state and overseen by people's commissars (grass-root investigations - RabKrIn, if you know what I mean). That could take 5-10 years, depending on circumstances. It should be easier to manage today, but we have less actual (non-cultist) economists.

Second phase would be actual Socialism (what I often call "Soviet model", implying apex of USSR economy - which is generally referred to as Stalinist economy; hence my icon), with centrally-planned economy doing the heavy lifting (industrial goods, infrastructure, most of research, medicine, some basic consumer goods). Co-ops are a minor factor (overseen by state; mostly consumer goods; 5-10% of economy). That could last 20 years easy. Probably more, since we don't have a concrete idea on what should be done after, other than "create more productive forces".

Third phase would be transition to actual Communism, with more and more goods being freely (or "socially", so as to differentiate from unreasonable demands) available.

Give me a little credit, I'm not one of those retards.
This is Holla Forums.

Yes. Read Lenin.

Zachary Williams
Zachary Williams

I ask you: What is state capitalism in these circumstances? It is the amalgamation of small-scale production. Capital amalgamates small enterprises and grows out of them. It is no use closing our eyes to this fact. Of course, a free market means a growth of capitalism; there’s no getting away from the fact. And anyone who tries to do so will be deluding himself. Capitalism will emerge wherever there is small enterprise and free exchange. But are we to be afraid of it, if we have control of the factories, transport and foreign trade? Let me repeat what I said then: I believe it to be incontrovertible that we need have no fear of this capitalism. Concessions are that kind of capitalism.

Isaac Wood
Isaac Wood

You can believe in LTV and think markets are fine. The law of value, on the other hand, has been undermined by capital accumulation centralizing capitalist economies.

Luis Bell
Luis Bell

That's a cute strawman, but no, when people say "state capitalism", they are generally referring to the failure to eliminate exploitative production arrangements. State capitalism is when you replace the capitalist with a bureaucrat, leaving an authoritarian relationship between surplus value creator and surplus value appropriator intact.

Brody Clark
Brody Clark

Don't forget, a ban doesn't stop you from being subscribed.

Evan Johnson
Evan Johnson

cute strawman
Are you braindead? There is only one definition of State Capitalism within Marxism. Lenin coined it decades before the anti-Marxist crowd.

Your bullshit State Capitalism was invented by Shachtman - the guy who literally needed to it to say that Soviets were worse than Nazi and eventually even stopped self-identifying as Marxist.

Joshua Lewis
Joshua Lewis

Looking through all the leddit threads and shit, having a bit of a giggle. Can't believe the /r/socialism mod team was autistic enough to tear itself to pieces in response to our sponsorship mention. It almost as if they recognized our good deed and decided to reward us.

Imagine if this retarded chain of events lead to the revolution.
Leftypol donates
/r/socialism falls
/r/soc mod team are somehow replaced with woke individuals
Reddit begins to see the light
/r/The_Donald users are lynched in the streets
Big bourge are lynched in the streets
its time

The based Holla Forums vanguard could train elite Redditors as master soldiers, equipped with razorblade fedoras (like Oddjob's hat from 007 Nightfire).

Also literally just got this captcha. Is this a sign, comrades? Does the future lie within Reddit?

Leo Long
Leo Long

The future lies with anime catgirls.

nice trips.

Noah Perry
Noah Perry

woke tripfags

Zachary Harris
Zachary Harris

Yet another sign that's it is destined to be, comrades. The idea to do a sponsorship that came to me when I was sat in the bath will be the origin point of the revolution, just wait and see.

David Roberts
David Roberts

WE DID IT, LADS

Gabriel Morgan
Gabriel Morgan

oh boy, did they try

Jonathan Gonzalez
Jonathan Gonzalez

It never ceases to amaze me how delusional tankies can be.

Jack Price
Jack Price

over 2/3 of r/socialism is not in the labor force
Okay, now I understand why they put idpol ahead of class conflict

Isaac Barnes
Isaac Barnes

https://www.marxists.org/archive/mandel/1969/08/statecapitalism.htm

Joseph Hall
Joseph Hall

dreaded Socialization of Women people have been accusing Communists of since forever
the what now?

The based Holla Forums vanguard could train elite Redditors as master soldiers, equipped with razorblade fedoras (like Oddjob's hat from 007 Nightfire).

kek

John Smith
John Smith

the what now?
Retards who are trolling (or genuinely stupid) occasionally come here and claim that "socializing the means of production" somehow also means that women will be herded and used sexually by men as a resource.

Zachary Price
Zachary Price

That's silly. They can't possibly compete with automated waifus.

Brody Cruz
Brody Cruz

this tbh

Dominic Garcia
Dominic Garcia

That gogglebox shit?

Xavier Allen
Xavier Allen

get out weeb u kill japan

liking 2d girls with garbage and bland character that made for capitalist bullshit like 50$-100$ dildos of the andimay girl so you can shove it up your ass.

Henry Morris
Henry Morris

Also anyone newfags here my welcoming post to you:
Welcome to our gay orgy, you're in here forever.

Dylan Powell
Dylan Powell

hello everyone richard wolff sent me here

Ian Howard
Ian Howard

Welcome
Are you new to Holla Forums?

Jaxson Butler
Jaxson Butler

leftcom watches wolff

Brody Morales
Brody Morales

Ye. I've heard of it and been on a couple times, mostly to glance at this board, but I've never really used it. I used to use 4chan back in highschool

I'm not a leftcom, we just have the same name. Im a Tiqqunista

Elijah Robinson
Elijah Robinson

what the fuck is a tiqqunista

Mason Cox
Mason Cox

check it

http://tiqqunista.jottit.com/

Thomas Hall
Thomas Hall

the what now?
State-issued girlfriends. One of the main points of anti-Communist propaganda from the time before Stalin's dictatorship and "State Capitalism" were invented.

Newspapers were explaining to people that evil Bolsheviks were following Marxist dogma that required to put all females into rape camps or something.

IRL this meant no-fault divorce, maternity leaves, and so on. Stuff that West eventually adopted itself by the 70s.

Do you have anything to say?

Jordan Foster
Jordan Foster

Thank you, I'll check it out when I get some spare time!

Austin Baker
Austin Baker

The based Holla Forums vanguard could train elite Redditors as master soldiers, equipped with razorblade fedoras (like Oddjob's hat from 007 Nightfire).

Levi Gonzalez
Levi Gonzalez

redditor biomass
master soldiers
not pure frontline fodder / landmine detectors
Nice joke

Xavier Butler
Xavier Butler

Yes, Planning can (in theory) be mismanaged. But you need to sabotage it deliberately.
Are you calling it a flawless system?

Soviets managed - planned - less than 100 commodities, IIRC), and most of consumer goods weren't planned in any way
Got any literature on economic data?

Ian Cox
Ian Cox

We have won

Zachary Walker
Zachary Walker

Moustacheposter is a tireless guy. I want to be like him when I grow up.

Jose Baker
Jose Baker

Moustacheposter is a tireless guy
seriously, I'm looking forward to his wall of text posts for the pure shitstorm effect
until he starts to preach diamat

Jacob Green
Jacob Green

is 8ch glitchy for anyone else right now?

Asher Gonzalez
Asher Gonzalez

mfw the cult of personality is forming

Alexander Cox
Alexander Cox

first as tragedy, then as farce

Jose Bailey
Jose Bailey

20,000 views
lol, so we're celebrating a handful of normies maybe coming across the board, seeing how autistic we are, then leaving?

Nolan Gray
Nolan Gray

being this much of a downer
Beat it pleb.

Bentley Jenkins
Bentley Jenkins

It'll be around 100k views in a month or two, general public doesn't like to watch hour long videos.

Austin Sullivan
Austin Sullivan

Man, I'm not sure how to feel about this.

We're pretty niche.

Benjamin Phillips
Benjamin Phillips

It's the sort of face he would genuinely make after discussing, say, Volkswagon cheating on their environmental standards.

Eli Taylor
Eli Taylor

/pol/tards wish they had a highly educated and informed economist to represent their cause.

Instead they're stuck with shit like Sargon and Alex Jones.

mfw

Elijah Young
Elijah Young

Sargon isn't a /pol/yp.

Xavier Morris
Xavier Morris

The Overton window has moved so much to the right that current liberals are old conservatives, and current conservatives are Ustasha apologists.

Elijah Ramirez
Elijah Ramirez

This

Ethan Campbell
Ethan Campbell

UNDERRATED POST
SOMEONE GET THIS TO CATGIRL DRAWFAG

Kayden Watson
Kayden Watson

I´ts not your fault Mr. Wolff, a tear yes since co-ops can´t be build by these autists.

Jason Sanchez
Jason Sanchez

This.

Gabriel Foster
Gabriel Foster

Just take over pepe, this lazy leftists don´t deserve a second look. No praxis at all.

Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

no idea what feminism is even about.
But that's exactly what it is about.

Tyler Nelson
Tyler Nelson

just so it doesn't look like this idea has overwhelming suppot, I think this idea sounds bad and isn't fun.

Landon Butler
Landon Butler

catgirl unbanned?!?!

Carter Gray
Carter Gray

So the implication is that she was unbanned because more women on the mod team decided to unban a fellow woman, not that she was unbanned because the reason she was banned in the first place was dogshit. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that these weasels managed to worm their way out of responsibility.

These people need to be executed.

Matthew Walker
Matthew Walker

done, two seconds

Liam Butler
Liam Butler

fuck, the password I chose, rdwolff69, doesn't seem to work…
I'll flood the front page then with more flood

Joseph Reed
Joseph Reed

DAMN!

Luke Wilson
Luke Wilson

Sounds rather petty.

Grayson Turner
Grayson Turner

Well, you could call anarcho-hohzaism a petty parody too…

Or as a rather funny parody of all the special snowflakism in the left.

Tyler Wright
Tyler Wright

This. It is a cool thing, but nothing to use Caps Lock about.

Zachary Bennett
Zachary Bennett

stop having fun
Make us

Ayden Flores
Ayden Flores

TRY AND STOP ME, QUADS.

Liam Morgan
Liam Morgan

This. He also panders to Trump supporters for clicks, which is pretty pitiful. When he said he liked Bernie Sanders during the primary, his viewers sperged out something fierce & he promptly never did that again.

Isaiah Sullivan
Isaiah Sullivan

(cheka'd)
It's a shame that Sargon has almost totally collapsed into pandering for clicks. Watching him spew red scare alarmism about Corbyn and shamelessly shill for Theresa May is surreal, when I consider the blistering indictments against Tory class war (his words!) he used to issue:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqnwUSevgo4

Jayden Harris
Jayden Harris

Freedom & Democracy - Live Stream w/ Wolff, Snowden, Jeremy Scahill, and others

Henry Walker
Henry Walker

actually the only thing I wasn't on board with was the question about directors. While I agree with sortition and rotation. He failed to mention that the group democracy would never be a constant decision making process, but a constant organisation of the system for decision making.

Take the hospital example, almost everything in a hospital happens by procedure and protocol. There is no real reason why these protocols could not be brought about by a democratic process.

Although I can see where there could some instances of needing a split second decision, I don't honestly think they are all that often in a well managed hospital. They are after all buildings designed specifically to cater for as many of the common ailments as possible.

Where there is an anomaly is an exception to the rule and, usually, as he says, these will not be emergency situations.

Although in the true emergency I do recognise the need to devolve to an instant decision maker.

This is how decisions were often made on pirate ships according to David Graeber who was talking about someone elses work, so this is third hand information, but basically every decision on a pirate ship was taken by show of hands, they all voted in the sharing of loot and, critically, the captain only assumed full control in the event of a storm or a battle, his control was immediately terminated after this.

Not uniform, but this was supposedly the most common way to organise a pirate ship. Basically most pirates were ex navy so they were all heavily opposed to military hierarchy

Jackson Mitchell
Jackson Mitchell

Wrong thread.
I agree with you, though.

Kayden Diaz
Kayden Diaz

ah shit

Kevin Campbell
Kevin Campbell

comrades that malaysian fucker is at it again

Luis Williams
Luis Williams

remember when youre a child and your parents told you to be aware of crazy people?
he's the crazy people now.

Best you avoid those crazy people.

Brody Cruz
Brody Cruz

hahahah, you're funny
why don't you google search him and post some of his art here?

Colton Torres
Colton Torres

i hear he does commissions, but everyone in /pol/ gets triggered by his art

Joseph Hernandez
Joseph Hernandez

Are you calling it a flawless system?
Are you trying to be smart?

What I'm saying is that Planning is an improvement over Free Market.

Got any literature on economic data?
Check /marx/index.html
Ismail has quite a lot of literature about USSR in English.

Ryan Ramirez
Ryan Ramirez

Planning is an improvementmover markets

Lol

David Ross
David Ross

Stop sucking cock any day now

Carson Garcia
Carson Garcia

Not him, but you're retarded if you think your pic is a reasonable representation of the Soviet economy.

Robert Hill
Robert Hill

implying centralization isn't abused by the state at the expense of the working class 99% of the time

Jayden Allen
Jayden Allen

What happens if "State" can't spend the money, but can only re-invest it or give it back to workers?

Thomas Wood
Thomas Wood

Then there is no point for the state to take it in the first place

Asher Carter
Asher Carter

I like how they do not admit fault.

Nicholas Jones
Nicholas Jones

when the Roanoke colony fails and everyone starves to death or disappears but it's okay because you defeated the Nazis
That's literally how coherent that meme is.

Nolan Lopez
Nolan Lopez

Not every dip shitweb designers are the same person. I don't give a fuck about making /leftpol/ "better."

Use 0chan if you don't like it here.

As for Anonboard that's not for random shit posting. It would be used for actually organizing between interconnected groups.

Version one is right around the corner.

Daniel Watson
Daniel Watson

That ban-message

Wow, that's mean.
Couldn't help but kek. That's is some teenage-drama meangirl shit.

Evan Barnes
Evan Barnes

a bunch of white males telling women what is and is not hatred of women

How is this not "brocialism"?

Jaxson Carter
Jaxson Carter

It's guilt by association, hatred of women has some objective standard yes? Then it shouldn't matter who is arguing for or against.
just kidding I know feminists define hatred of women as what ever their feelings tell them it is

Andrew Sullivan
Andrew Sullivan

Aw yee

Matthew Hall
Matthew Hall

Don`t you mean vanguard?

Ryder Wright
Ryder Wright

Low-effort bait.

Zachary Hernandez
Zachary Hernandez

r/Socialism mods have an entitlement complex

Juan James
Juan James

i always thought Holla Forums was a dead board but apparently i've been going to the wrong one? this one seems way more active

Eli Cruz
Eli Cruz

That "dead board" message was to throw off people coming from halfchan to raid us. This is the legit board.

Chase Martin
Chase Martin

It was a joke to troll /pol/acks, especially halfchanners.

Jaxson Cox
Jaxson Cox

Notice what's missing? Hint: PRIVATE PROPERTY

/pol/index.html

Andrew Butler
Andrew Butler

I agree.

Nathan Gonzalez
Nathan Gonzalez

Literally judging a book by its cover.

Connor Diaz
Connor Diaz

Addendum: Turns out I actually have a PDF of that book on my hard drive. After searching it for "private property," it looks like the book (which is a collection of essays) is basically ancap. They don't use the term "private property" in the way that leftists use the term, and instead seem to use it simply in the colloquial sense and in contrast to "public property."
So I take it back. You were right. You still judged it solely by its cover, though.
All this just cements my view that we need a better term for "private property." The only decent one I've heard of is "impersonal property." I've seen people call it simply "Property" (always capitalized), and I once considered using the term "exploitative property" or "exprop," but thought it wasn't a great replacement term.

Logan Thompson
Logan Thompson

Further addendum: Looks like they shy away from defining "capitalism," and the closest they get is a wish-washy line about "economic elites exerting social dominance via the state," as if capitalism depends on the state. (It doesn't, any more than feudalism did.) So it looks like it's a collection of "anarchists" who were purely anti-statist and not proper socialists, who then went on to defend markets explicitly, and capitalism implicitly–presumably, in both cases, from proper anarchists.
What a shame.

Parker Torres
Parker Torres

Elijah Miller
Elijah Miller

"ctrl + f and searching private property"
This is considered reading by marketphobe commies

W e w

Lucas Myers
Lucas Myers

Great contribution. I actually read the threads I post in, though, so there's no need. Also,
saging a sticky

Anthony Gutierrez
Anthony Gutierrez

1. I can't read hundreds of pages in enough time to get a good response to a thread. I wanted to see if he was right after a quick glance. I do intend to fully read the book, hence why I had it in my "stuff to read" folder.
2. I'm actually quite pro-market. I'm a libertarian market socialist.

Joshua Campbell
Joshua Campbell

Is this thread cyclical?

Dominic Lee
Dominic Lee

No, just a sticky.

Matthew Lopez
Matthew Lopez

Think it should be?

Jaxson Phillips
Jaxson Phillips

No. This is a single event. Cyclicals make more sense for ongoing events or permanent general topics of discussion that need a containment thread.

Leo Cooper
Leo Cooper

Hey, sack off making the imageboard for a bit and fully automate reddit's hotpocket vanguard socialism.

They've said they'll cave and turn the place into a democratic sub, but "when the software is ready". They're waiting for outrage to die down and then they're going to quietly discard it. We should do it for free.

Here is everything they say they're going to do:
reddit.com/r/socialism/comments/5nzazt/our_collective_response_to_the_petition/

Reminder to always plaintext reddit links. Also check this out:

We need more moderators anyway, so an election is prudent. However, given the unsatsifactory survey results (87% men and nearly 75% white) and the lack of ideological proportionality within the team, as mods, we must use our position to encourage as many non-men, racialised folks and members of anarchist tendencies as possible to be nominated. Consequently, there are quotas to fill, which means "The resignation of all current /r/socialism mods" cannot happen.
They've moved on to the progressive stack. They call us liberals but they're literally using positive discrimination over meritocracy and democracy.

Who wants to bet that they're white guys pretending to be minorities to hold on to power?

Henry Jenkins
Henry Jenkins

democracy is a meme

Colton Thomas
Colton Thomas

by supporting a cause, you've actually destroyed the cause
the best option is obviously to do absolutely nothing so no one will get offended ever
Fucking leftcom-Trudeau thought

Ethan Wood
Ethan Wood

Democracy is a mathematical method of accepting or rejecting proposals. It's also the cornerstone of socialism. So get the fuck out.

Wyatt Perry
Wyatt Perry

Ha. It's a quote from an r/socialism mod during the discord last night.

Elijah Sullivan
Elijah Sullivan

Disgusting, but not surprising. Got a link?

Zachary Johnson
Zachary Johnson

I wasn't recording myself but I think I saw a post here with an mp3 of at least some of the chat.

James Jenkins
James Jenkins

marxist commie doing it for cash

loling at u lefty nerds

who austrian here?

Cooper Carter
Cooper Carter

If you're referring to RD Wolff, he's not rolling around in cash or trying to get rich

Lucas Thomas
Lucas Thomas

renting a hall, recording equipment and paying people to use said equipment is free
Learn economics :^)

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

I said something about chan culture attracting fucking idiots, and a mod replied "please don't use that word"

Cooper Myers
Cooper Myers

Who even cares if he was? He's helping to out our message and thats the important thing. Contrary to popular right-wing belief socialism/communism isn't all about hating people living plush lifestyles but about abolishing the system that keeps a tiny minority living well and the rest of humanity in poverty. If Wolff is successful great, he would actually deserve it unlike other neoliberal hacks. No amount of asceticism could be a replacement for revolution anyway, so trying to police consumption and make it ethical is really a dead end.

Isaac Torres
Isaac Torres

who austrian here?

Lucas Evans
Lucas Evans

god that kid is creepy. I hate this image.

Bentley Richardson
Bentley Richardson

They censor the words "stupid," "dumb," "idiot," etc. They call it "ableism." As if the word "stupid" can only refer to mentally handicapped people, rather than people of normal intelligence who do and say things unintelligent things out of poor judgment.

Tyler Ross
Tyler Ross

who doesn't believe in graphical continuity until it relates to supply demand curves
who also believe that all empirical evidence is useless because it was just an economic theory lmao
Literally the worst economic "school"

Bentley Scott
Bentley Scott

For all the shit Marxism gets on account of historical determinism, I'm always absolutely astounded that supply-siders haven't been completely chased out of every reputable institution after Praxeology became well understood by its critics. Totally Scientology-tier.

Blake Hill
Blake Hill

Should all kill yourself, death to reddit.

Samuel James
Samuel James

Also post cuck porn. I need it for mockery.
Nothing I love more than seeing a big black dick for mockery.

Robert Harris
Robert Harris

pathetic as always filth, does it fill you with impotent commie rage to know your ideology will never be put into effect again?

Daniel Morales
Daniel Morales

and another thing pinko filth, dont talk shit about me or the eternal twelve year reich ever again!!

Eli Wood
Eli Wood

THEY ARE DELAYING NEW ANNOUCEMENTS REGARDING THIS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO NEXT WAVE OF DRAMA TO KICK OFF JUST AS THE J20 PROTESTS GIVE THEM A HUGE TRAFFIC SPIKE!

Joseph Green
Joseph Green

WE ARE FUCKING ABOVE /B/

Sebastian Perez
Sebastian Perez

don't fight us /pol/. You know what happened last time.

Leo Long
Leo Long

You actually think we get triggered by you being here? You're like the nigger of the site that we love to laugh at.

Hunter Smith
Hunter Smith

it's the CY+2 surely we'll win

Jason Anderson
Jason Anderson

CY+2?

Nathaniel Lopez
Nathaniel Lopez

Current year plus two I assume

Zachary Fisher
Zachary Fisher

I miss "exposing the emerald empire".

Logan Nguyen
Logan Nguyen

Breddy gud

Jonathan Phillips
Jonathan Phillips

caveposting/10

Daniel Watson
Daniel Watson

Beautiful.

Justin Anderson
Justin Anderson

I think I will unsticky this. Any objections?

Lincoln Stewart
Lincoln Stewart

FIX THE TOP BAR

Adam King
Adam King

test

Jaxson Parker
Jaxson Parker

Oldfag here from 2015 stopped using early 2016.

Well done I must say, you're going to be getting some attention from this, brought me back to have a look I guess. I wonder if the r/Socialism shit is bringing people here to, might shill here.

Ethan Green
Ethan Green

Yeah we've made r/soc mods so paranoid with just a little bit of meddling they've attempted to use their subscriber base as a front against us, even telling people to raid us in their ban messages.

Jason Anderson
Jason Anderson

I should add that this paranoia was tipped over the edge with the RDW cast, which was the catalyst for all sorts of insanity.

Jaxson Gray
Jaxson Gray

Neh, all is basically said and done.

Samuel Fisher
Samuel Fisher

That's fine, I think it's been long enough.

Brody Richardson
Brody Richardson

Man, and those raids man.

Fuck, they were sad.

Leo Robinson
Leo Robinson

No objections

Jack Hill
Jack Hill

This is what we all needed to know. Fuck the report queue.

Camden Sanchez
Camden Sanchez

???

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