Can someone tell me about Ho Chi Minh thought?

Landon Williams
Landon Williams

Can someone tell me about Ho Chi Minh thought?

Christopher Smith
Christopher Smith

Butt blast America for a solid decade and over

Michael Russell
Michael Russell

based Ho Chi Minh xDDDD
every European Marxist was a FUCKING WHITE MALE
t. AnFem

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee

Yeah that's basically what I'm putting out there.

Grayson Anderson
Grayson Anderson

He contributed almost nothing to socialist thought and, had he led Vietnam for any significant portion of time, he almost certainly would have become the same corporatist shill his predecessors became. Also, giving the credit for an entire decades-long anti-imperialist effort consisting of the blood and sweat of millions of people to ONE guy is as anti-materialist as it gets.

Ho Chi Minh worship is one of the biggest forced memes in all of leftism.

Julian Peterson
Julian Peterson

Basically Stalin but meaner to China

Tyler Cox
Tyler Cox

He contributed almost nothing to socialist thought

At least he managed to do something against American interests, you silly little trot

John Lee
John Lee

and now Vietnam is one of America's top allies in the region.
Whoops.

Isaiah Gomez
Isaiah Gomez

As I already pointed out in my post, you illiterate scumbag, Ho Chi Mihn did not single-handedly prevent America from taking over Vietnam.

That is idealistic hero-worshiping nonsense.

Dylan Evans
Dylan Evans

I mean, nothing can last forever against the US.

It was a good run.

Defined the center of the latter half of the 20th century, and even put class conciousness back in spirit with anti-draft/war protests, defense of Vietnam, and the question of how America treats its Veterans and POWs

Ho Chi Mihn did not single-handedly prevent America from taking over Vietnam

On the other hand, the cultural consequences of the war had a dramatic effect on the public consciousness, especially going into the 70s, during a time of dire economic circumstance and the collapse of the auto industry.

Perhaps not intentional, he single handily helped blossom the anti American, American, circumstances we now have.

Whatever future revolution we have was indirectly sparked by the failure of the Vietnam War.

Which again, is more than you can say for Trotsky :v)

Samuel James
Samuel James

Well we've got Hoochie Minh because of him. Which begs the question of what the Hoochie Minh Trail is.

Aiden Harris
Aiden Harris

The best.

Parker James
Parker James

Opposing US interests does not automatically make you the good guy.

Joshua Baker
Joshua Baker

He was pretty terrible over all. Fuck, he was even a Nationalist.

Adrian Bennett
Adrian Bennett

No, but the consequences he didn't necessarily intend in America did enough to spook the deep state into cointelpro and all sorts of nonsense, and even further stifiling class potential.

This exacerbated their doom.

I don't see Ho Chi Minh or the Vietnam War as a good thing, but I do see it as one of the first dominoes to the eventual end of the United States

Eli Rogers
Eli Rogers

I don't really see the US still suffering from the complications brought on by losing to Vietnam.

Other than memes and drastically shaping the whole anti-war scene, I do not see how the Vietnam war has any impact on the US in 2017, much less how it is one of the first dominoes that will lead to the eventually collapse of the US.

Kayden Ramirez
Kayden Ramirez

Nationalism kept Ami out. Fucking idiot.

Evan Parker
Evan Parker

nobody answers OP's question
Just another day on Holla Forums

Grayson Reed
Grayson Reed

Asian AnFem, if you would so ferociously defend other Marxist-Leninsts that don't happen to be non-White you'd get a lot more love here.

Joshua Carter
Joshua Carter

I don't really see the US still suffering from the complications brought on by losing to Vietnam.

The thing is, the explosion of class happened simultaneous to the civil rights movement, and the explosion of feminism, debatable as that may be.

It was an explosion of Communist sympathy for a decade, counter culture became inevitably far left, and the deep state did all it could to stifle it, and still does.

They didn't expect really, what would happen for once. They thought at worst another Korea.

The CIA, the intelligence community, the army, the marines, the entire military

They all under estimated the Vietnamese to a shocking degree. They thought, sticks and huts in a jungle, why not just carpet bomb it?

But it didn't work.

Troops on the ground suddenly ended up with an enormous amount of nails in them from traps people laid willing to defend their village and home.

And worse yet, there was a draft, and rampant drug use.

The Vietnam War was a disaster, for once everyone that always won everything, lost so fucking horribly it had to save face by doing something else, distraction.

Anti draft protest were labeled anti troop, which is still something we do.

Remember the Iraq War? Support our troops? Leftover Vietnam War rhetoric.

As the civil rights era came to a close, something worse happened.

Collapse of the US Auto Industry. Veterans had no manufacturing jobs to go home to, and the military did nothing to house them. The media reflected the angst by pandering to the public's interests, movies like Alien exacerbated the paranoia the public had of government and corporate interests fucking them over.

All of this and more happened just because of Vietnam.

It cannot be stressed enough, however small, the consequences of Vietnam ended American Exceptionalism, and caused the Reagan era.

Vietnam will be remembered as the first block in the tower America put itself in that all came tumbling down. There is simply no recovering for the consequences the Vietnam War and the subsequent economic conditions left that destroyed the vision of the American Dream.

John Kelly
John Kelly

Because I honestly don't think they lead to the consquences to America as severe as Vietnam did. I'm not just saying that as a refugee baby, I'm just saying that because the Cold War managed to make villain out of the Eastern Bloc worse than make them hero.

At least, in the eyes of the American public.

Korea I suppose was the catalyst, but really, Mao taking over China, Vietnam, and Korea, while not necessarily themselves good, unknown to really anyone in control in the United States

Undid the power they thought they had over the population with the red scare. Suddenly, explosively, and disastrously for what PR campaign they were managing. J Edgar Hoover was probably having a stroke every month in fury and anger, the CIA tried everything. Economic conditions were focused less and less on the people, and counter culture was labeled anti social.

Everything that was felt after this, never left America the same, and we will continue to see the Vietnam War's mistrust in the market lead to its inevitable conclusion, in the destruction of the market and the end of the United States.

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