Pokémon: First Vs. Third/Second Party

Why are the majority of Pokémon games NOT developed by Game Freak always the best ones? I'm serious, does gamefreak have no fucking clue with what works and what doesn't? The only game GF ever truly hit out of the Park had to be Heartgold/Soulsilver, while the only subpar third party Pokémon game was Pokémon Go. That's it.

Is it even gamefreak's fault? Is Pokémon just fucked as a standard JRPG, or are they simply lacking vital raw talent from someone autistic enough to try and make Pokémon into something full to the brim with substance?

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Ask humanity.

It's why I'm here, brother.

Is it actually good? Does it play like your Average Tekken game? Because I've heard stories about how the gameplay is more like the Naruto games.

It's basically a re-skinned tekken. It's very fun, I turned off the voice acting because it made me cringe. Here is empoleon. For the arcade version.

Because the draw of pokemon is by and large the world and pokemon designs. Even people who dislike JRPGs stomach the gameplay because they want to interact with their pokemon and like the idea of a carefree world where you go on adventure at 10 years old.

Yes, that's why there are no bad Pokemon games including spin-offs
Quit being a faggot and check em

No

As a Pokemon fan, I can say without an once of doubt, Gamefreak is incompetent and won the lotery with Pokemon. PMD is best. While they haven't done an unplayable game (Gen was not exactly bad but it was incredibly underwhelming, empty), they just don't know what they are doing or understand their fandom.

The main series is pretty formulaic. They fixed that a bit in Sun/Moon but it's always the story of a random dude who goes around, does boss fights and becomes the champion of the region. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just bland. The spinoffs aren't tied to that sort of story, so they can show different parts of the universe and expand it.
It's kinda like with Mario. The main games are jumpfests and the RPGs are where the worldbuilding happens.

Colisseum XD wasn't that good. I think the first one was better. Wish Game Freak would acknowledge the Orre region.


This. Pokemon offers a very simple and straightforward experience that many people find enjoyable in spite of its persistent flaws. It's a C+ franchise that only rarely drops to a D+.

But that worldbuilding doesn't really matter and is never very consistent from game to game. The world of Super Mario is intentionally abstract and fluid. That is its strength: they can make whatever kind of places and locations and characters they want to, when they want to. Same goes for Zelda, Kirby, etc. The only time they reference their "deepest lore" is for fanservice.

Why the fuck don't they make more games like Colosseum, that was the most fun I had with a pokemon game and it had one of my favorite soundtracks in any game

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The Colosseum devs probably thought Battle Revolution was a stinker

Why are the majority of Pokémon games NOT made for vidya always the best ones? I'm serious, do devs have no fucking clue with what works and what doesn't? The only game Nintendo ever truly hit out of the Park had to be Heartgold/Soulsilver, while the only subpar third party Pokémon tabletop was PTA.

I can't even tell what you're implying.

Oh shit there was that game, I forgot abotu that one, but why wouldn't they at least try another since it's been 10 years. I think if they just keep the series dark then it'll be good, I've noticed most nintendo games with a macabre setting tend to be their best rather than the typical fairy tale endings

Okay then you're a faggot, as expected for OP.

Mystery Dungeon wouldn't be popular without Pokemon.

The Colosseum devs are trapped making Pokemon Shuffle, the mobile match-3 game. They'll never be set free.

The main games are 3D now
pick one and only one

They're pretty much stuck with making mobile Pokemon games. Not even a single Wii U title was made with them.

Colosseum's protagonist was still a villain in any other pokemon , it just happened his enemies were torturing their pokemon or using them to sell drugs or something like that, I thought that was the point of underground place. There was a ton of references in colosseum I never played the other two.

That fucking sucks though, such a waste

He wasn't
No, you dumbass. Quit making up stupid shit.

Apparently you didn't play Colosseum either.

think of it as street fighter 5 on how they want to bring casuals in except not fucking shit
thats how you do it

Huh? I don't remember Wes being the bad guy. Are you saying that because he took the snag machine from a group of criminals to purify shadow Pokemon, that thats a villainous act?

That was the whole point snagging pokemon was because they were being tortured or were evil and you had to purify them.


Wes was in a thief organization before he left it for some altruistic reasons, I'm pretty sure his umbreon and espeon were both stolen as well.

I'm saying he's a villain in any other game, he's the protagonist in this one because the Cipher tortures pokemon and what not

Well the dude was a part of team Snagem before bombing their building and stealing their shit. I don't recall if he was just being under cover or if he just had a change of heart after being a real member.

It's nebulous what, exactly, makes a pokemon into a Shadow pokemon, but there's nothing to hint that his Umbreon and Espeon were stolen.
You do know how Eevee evolves into them, right?

He WAS a member of that gang of criminals prior to the start of the game. Also he definitely has a villain design to him compared to a normal Pokemon game. I guess when they invented the Snagem Machine he had a change of heart and took off with it to help make Pokemon Nevada a better place for whatever reason.

Probably some serious mind-breaking shit considering they're erratic and uncontrollable until healed with the power of friendship.

Whatever it does, it renders them dead to most emotions and unwilling to hold back like pokemon usually do.
It was probably ____________rape_______________

Here's the description of shadow pokemon from bulbapedia "Pokémon that are being used for wrongful acts because they had the doors to their hearts shut artificially, a process created and carried out by Cipher in the Orre region."

So they're using pokemon to harm others and artificially shut out all emotions from them. Yep not a dark and macabre game for nintendo standards

Wes was part of a group that stole pokemon since at the beginnign of the game it's him leaving and destroying Team Snagem's base. Since he was part of team snagem we can assume he stole pokemon for a living and his umbreon and espeon might just be stolen since Orre has no wildlife to support pokemon

Haven't played tekken in over a decade, but i doubt it, some of pokken's characters like Braixen and i think the other furbait one, gardevoir(?) are like if someone brought a gun to a fist fight.

Well yeah, it isn't. That's basically the entire plot of Hamtaro Ham-Ham Heartbreak right there.

There's also those undertones of Cipher selling drugs and basically doing cockfights with shadow pokemon in the underground part of colosseum. Seriously replay the game, it's pretty fucking dark

It's as fucking dark as a lit room, user. Get over it.

Thinking about that now…Colosseum's story is a mess.
I'm talking too much over a Pokemon game.

You extremists really hurt the board, you know?

Yeah, that's what the Snag Machine was made, but the game only lets you use it on Shadow Pokemon so you can help them. I think it's implied some of the trainers you battle don't even know they have a Shadow Pokemon, but you swipe them anyway to cure them.

You're really easy to spot in any pokemon thread, user

Maybe on paper, but they don't really do much with it, the concept's really just there to give you an excuse to use the snag machine without making you look like a bad guy. for stealing other trainers pokemons.

Ignore a5c312
I'm confident the bastard is genuinely autistic. He reminds me of the (215) poster.

None of those games are bad.

Keep crying, faggot

Explain how Candy Crush: Pokemon Edition is a good game then, faggot.

Are you that edgy that to constitute dark you have to visibly see a pokemon being whipped or being raped or watching someone use their pokemon to murder trainers

Come on nigger, you don't have to be this coldsteel the hedgehog to know it's dark


Well yeah that's the thing, Wes isn't really a good guy from traditional pokemon standards, he was literally stealing other people's pokemon before the beginning of Colosseum

Why do you think he's so easy to spot?

The fact he's carrying on conversations while still saging says it all.

Because it's just a 3rd sequel to Pokemon Trozei, which predates Candy Crush, you dumb underaged newfag.

Pokken looks fucking tight. Can nintendo just go third party so all their shit can come to PC please?

Or maybe, just maybe, it isn't dark and you just want it to be because you want to feel like liking Colosseum and XD and not regular Pokemon makes you some sort of "mature gamer".

Does Cemu play Pokken yet? It's come a long way so far, if development keeps up at this pace you should be able to play all the Wii U games on PC.

Except the design of the game was switched to be like Candy Crush you blistering faggot. You can only use so many moves per game, can only play so many times per day, constantly changing the rules in order to milk as many shekels out of you. Pokemon Trozei's alright. Shuffle is fucking trash.

I'm confused how that got greenlit.

I like normal pokemon games, I just liked the setting of colosseum because it felt most like how a pokemon world would pan out if humans were involved.

So, what is your favorite spin off? Mine is PMD. I wish that Conquest was better. Seeying war and Nobunaga and the unification of Japan in a Pokemon setting was amusing.

Anime power.

Obviously it's for kids… you know, what was the video game made for after all…

Mystery Dungeon was the best spinoff, hands down.
Haven't played conquest, how was it?

A nice experiment. It needs a sequel. I am not saying it was great but it was a fun idea that needed polishing. I would to see another game like that, even if it is not another Conquest. You know, an isometric RPG with Pokemon.

Doesn't make sense.

True, they did make Hey You Pikachu previously.
Surprised it hasn't gotten a remake considering I'm sure someone out there wants to get comfy with Pikachu himself by watching shit off the internet with the technology available but it'd probably be limited to what Nintendo approves of

It's a game made to appeal to the anime fans. It has Meowth from the anime in it, and it has the Pichu Bros. animated short. It also banked off the previous popularity of Hey You Pikachu, which was also made to appeal to the anime fans. In short, it was made for kids who liked the show, rather than the kids who played the Pokemon games.

Super Pokemon Wars

Pokemon Mystery Dungeon has a LOT of good porn and good doujins.

Furfaggotry isn't tolerated here.

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I want to hug this Gardevoir.

You realize when I say here I mean this board. Boards are independent from each other on 8ch, newfag.

That's not what Holla Forums thinks.

Holla Forums is full of newfags, what did you expect?

That and it keeps calling everyone a 'newfag'.

It's so true.
Though I prefer the human/pokemon stuff personally

I want a new Colosseum game myself, but with Genius Sonority's last major series, I feel like it would be a monkey paw scenario. I sort of want to elaborate on the highs and lows of the Denpa Men series, but that might be for another thread if anyone gives a shit.

On the other hand, why haven't we gotten a new Pokemon Snap? Who even did the first one, I should look it up. That half assed mini-game in Sun/Moon wasn't that good.

As baby as these are, how are these on a scale of Pokemon Channel to Pokemon Puzzle League?

it was comfy as hell
also got a jirachi out of it

And that's not some non clever name for anons from halfchan either, someone actually made a bot that bypasses /furry/'s captcha and copies random posts from 4chan's /trash/ board there. Same thing happened to the /erp/ board here too.

ftfy

That shit's a given.

The studio who brought you classics like Adventures of Lolo, Kirby, and Super Smash Bros.

I knew someone was gonna say that

Spamming =/= raiding
Also he bought a captcha solving service. Its been running for two weeks.

That second snivy better be a girl.

Looks comfy

Right, HAL was GF's 3D bitch before Genius Sonority, they did Stadium too. Too bad they've been mostly busy with polishing Kirby to a mirror shine and making some weird puzzle game.

remember that pokemon ds game where you're a ranger and you circle shit, that was kind of fun

it's not

And yet not a single Pokemon game developed by Retro Studios or Next Level Games

That would be Pokemon Ranger.

I expected as much.

What the fuck is wrong with you fags?
This is on par with mystery dungeon on being one of the best spinoff games
It actually made capturing pokemon a fucking challenge

learn to type please

Sounds like someone needs to git gud at D&D

God that thing was such a fucking mess. They also missed the mark when they tried to 'streamline' the game with PTU.
Worst of all, they were really poor at handling actual criticism of the system.

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Sorry man, got a fucking iron dropped on top of my right and and it's all sore as fuck and my fingers ain't moving, can't be arsed to type properly.
I should probably use text-to-speech.

thats just the price of being that big. you dont have a lot of freedom to try new things. after their first few games they kind of set in stone what works, that happened to be pretty fresh in the day but its kind of basic. if they changed that at any point after gold/silver they would probably have upset a lot of fans. how often is change for the sake of change not bothersome anyways?
im just glad the spinoffs exist to explore the potential of these fun characters.

The only thing best that game is would be best turd in a shot filled toilet

Aren't all Pokemon battles basically cockfights

no! theyre honorable jousts!

Only sometimes.

For stolen Pokémon, espeon/umbreon seem pretty chill about it.

Sound track is amazing

as someone stated earlier, both Umbreon and Espeon evolve from love from their trainer. So if they were stolen, they were probably stolen as Eevees, and Wes was good enough to them that they didn't care.

You just warmed my heart, I want more games that do this sweet/bitter combo.

That's less dark than normal pokemon. In regular pokemon you're beating animals into submission so that you can wrestle them into tiny balls and kidnap them from their native habitat so that they can beat down other animals for you in the name of profit or more poaching. Evil beam that turns adorable critters evil is pig-generic kidshit in Japan.

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Shitposting aside, I fucking love both Orre games and really wish Genius Sonority could make another on current hardware instead of just endlessly shitting out freemium garbage for the rest of time. Mystery Dungeon is still solid, but it seems they'll never recapture the magic of Explorers. I thought the fighting game turned out to be wholly mediocre and everybody dropped it after like a month though.

I think Game Freak tried to justify Pokemon a little more by saying that you only encounter Pokemon that want to fight and go on adventures. Which I can believe since I think a majority of Pokemon are perfectly capable of dodging dumb 12-year-olds blindly wandering through grass if they really didn't want to deal with their shit.

Chances are he's the kind of shitter who'd bawl about how the math works completely oblivious to the fact almost all JRPG and WRPG combat works identically to their tabletop grandfathers', just with a heavy coat of paint and handled automatically by the computer.

It's bullshit though, there's lots of pokemon who immediately try to run away from you or you provoked in the first place.

It plays nothing like tekken, if anybody tells you that, immediately stop listening to them. Tekken is a plane based 3d fighter. Pokken most of the time plays like a normal, traditional 2d fighter, which sometimes becomes a 3d arena fighter. They are in two completely different subgenres.

That said, pokken is fantastic. Just don't get it if you want single player content.


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tell me criticism of the system so I can try to avoid it in my games

You do know that Pokemon get captured on their own volition, right? That is why TR and other faggots like that use cages and nets instead of Pokeballs.

What's bad about pokken then, faggots?

The only real thing wrong with it is how absurdly complicated it is to set it up for local MP with 60fps.

Off topic but


Surprisingly the hard bit is finding a trade for the opposite cover.

Also the ones not developed by Game freak don't have to focus as much on asset and character creation as much for the mons, and unlike the mainline games the ones done by the tertiary contracted companies generally have more freedom.
Pokemon's formula does hold it back, but considering the sheer amount of assets they create for each generation, it's no suprising.
Note that when Game Freak actually did a sequal without putting their nose to the grindstone for asset creation for the next generation (aka Black 2 and White 2), it ended up being the best out of all of them fun wise.
The reason for the quality is that they have to constantly pump out new shit for the next gen.

Different user, currently on a campaign on that system.
First of all, as a player, it's managing 7 fucking characters if you have a full party, which is a goddamn drag. Our group has found that having a team of 4 is like the sweet spot, but in our game, we'd rather have more options to deal with the shit the GM sends at us.
There are some feats that mention death saving throws but nowhere else in the manual are any death mechanics mentioned.
And as a GM you need a SHITLOAD of tools and other stuff like that, since it's almost Pathfinder tier crunch.
As for the criticism shit mentions, I'd like to know too.
Sage for not videogames

Anyone else finds the name of this game funny? Pok (pocket) ken (fist) implies your wanking yourself off with your trousers on.

I actually found out, user, that at least Espeon starts the game with a maximum happiness stat (which is useful because it also starts with Return), so that's some actual statistical proof for you right there.

Well, first of all, the roster is fucking shit and has only been slightly improved after release

Rosters fine wtf They did Gengar Sceptile Blaziken justice by giving them all personalities

believe it or not, some autists think because its a fighting game, it should be filled with fighting types.
you know, instead of having a cast of strange creatures you wouldnt likely see anywhere else.

I've never understood why people think Pokken's roster is shit, it's as close to perfect as it reasonably could be.


The only bad choices are libre, shadowtwo, and empoleon, and I guess croagunk, though he still occupies an important fighting game niche of a joke character. Plus, all but two types are represented, which is an amazing feet considering all the choices are still popular.

All I would do is switch out shadowtwo and pikachu with a normal and rock type so every type is represented, either Ursaring (because Kuma in tekken) or Type:Null (cross marketing with SM, with his gimmick being he synergy bursts permantly into silvally, plus the game could use another quadraped) for normal, and probably Lycanroc for rock (again, SM cross marketing, and field phase could be his sun form, and deul phase the moon form). I'd also switch out Emploen for Drapion, since Drapion has a really neat body form and he could do cool dhalism esque long range meele hits with his stretchy arms.

Finally, i'd switch out croagunk with a better joke character, either shuckle, wobbafut, ditto, or mimikyu.


This, any other fighting game has characters that do what most fighting type pokemon do. The people who want the hitmons are just as stupid because machamp and blaziken already fuffil the punching/kicking focus while not being ONLY punching and kicking.

Maybe among smogonfags
May be popular, but he ends up feeling gimmicky
Unnecessary, there's already Lucario and Gardevoir for furfags and Greninja is far more popular to take the animefag spot

Nah, even amongst normalfag fans scizor is pretty popular. Not as popular as the other ones I included in that line, perhaps, but certainly the most popular bug type for those people.

I would have preffered scyther because I think scyther is way cooler and the game needs more speed types, but scizor is cool too.

Isnt SM2 only there just to be the story plot ebil villain in the game

Mewtwo is the only one who gets a slight pass from the smash bros roster because Sakurai didn't want to include him, but also that he turns into form X and is then a fighting type.

The roster of the game is shit and the gameplay is shittier with only Machamp having any semblance of "normal" playstyle among the group.

i would like scyther just for his absolutely ridiculous voice

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Yeah, but there's no reason why it couldn't have just been normal metwo and to use the development time on another character

I'll remove you.


Oh fuck it's Machamp autist.

Re-read that line fam, I said remove pikachu, not libre.

… huh? The version I'm reading totally has death mechanics, you die if you have 10 injuries or reach -100% health. And yeah, the crunch is pretty heavy, but fortunately I'm only GMing for 2 people, so it almost feels normal. It is based on a video game, after all, so most of the number crunching is originally done by a computer anyway.
I keep a calculator handy.

You have shit taste.


Remove fucking both. Fucking pikachu didn't need to be in this shitshow and the fact that it has fucking 2 roster places is a sin, especially when one blatantly was put in to ensure hawlucha couldn't be put in.


Better than being a furfaggot or an apologist to the dead game wit ha roster full of pokemon no one plays as.

Sorry about that, you're alright. But if I was going to cut Shadowtwo, I'd port his moves over to something like Alakazam or Deoxys rather than cutting everything.

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Shit bro, where is the dedicated judo master?

Yeah it's good.
It plays nothing like Tekken but a mixture of Naruto/DBZ and SF with MvC assists.
Don't listen to fags like he's just a shitposter who has obviously never played the game.