What would an American socialism really look like?
How should an American socialism address ethnic, religious, regional, and moral distinctions?
What would an American socialism really look like?
Nicholas Martin
Lucas Allen
The US would sooner nuke itself.
Aaron Hill
Like socialism anywhere else.
American Exceptionalism is a nationalist myth. America is not particularly different from any other country. If anything, it's a very orderly country that likes to project the devil-may-care "live free or die" ethos as cover for its true nature.
Zizek actually pointed out this paradox once. In the Cold War, you had the Warsaw Pact nations which projected a front of orderliness to hide their internal chaos opposed to the United States, a country which projected a front of individualist chaos to hide its internal regimented order.
Jonathan Parker
If America Should Go Communist
marxists.org
tl;dr America's technological sophistication and level of education means that something like the soviet union won't happen because it was made from scratch with nothing but peasants as bricks and kulak blood for mortar.
Also no more bubblegum.
Ayden Hill
I honestly wouldn't care if the richest people of society just got shot to death. I'd be happy with just that as a nice note to cap life on
Aiden Hughes
Most Americans are poor, though.
Eli Cruz
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Luke Green
I thought you were referring to Americans since this is a thread about America going socialist.
Jaxson Edwards
Oh I am
Landon Perry
America survived this long by being exceptional at suppressing worker movements and getting away with literal non-conspiratorial assassinations of movement leaders without getting too much flak. I imagine if a socialist movement arose, it would be in a particular region rather than the whole country at once, which would make it easy for it to be crushed by the rest of the country. Either the military would have to help, in which case I doubt it would be very socialist at all, or it would follow America losing a war and being unable to defend itself against revolution, and considering how powerful America is I can only imagine the situation that allowed for it to happen would be dire for the entire world.
Zachary Lopez
It's the internet that's going to make collectivism possible in the future probably.
Christian Scott
explain
Noah Carter
Digital theft of massive amounts of currency through transaction, sharing it with the population. People in turn, trust more and more in people who can provide basic money for their needs even if it's illegal going into the future than say, actual violence does.
People used to rob trains for the same reason, the transactions of the rich are hardly safe and set in stone. It's similar logic.
Joseph Cox
…so a Tankie shithole?
no me gusta
Ian Price
mass killing isn't cool, even if they're rich
Isaac Sullivan
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Jaxson Nguyen
wtf I hate marxism now
Ian Allen
If they relinquish the means of production then they don't have to be killed.
But if they insist on clinging to their stolen wealth it's the wall for them.
Caleb White
Genocide requires a large number of people, not a small number of people.
Liam Garcia
Unless people are rich because of their genes it wouldn't be genocide.
Matthew Fisher
Now let's be fair, some of them are just rich by inheritance :v)
Brody Morris
Hey, were not monsters. majority shareholders and kulaks only.
Luke Parker
good point.
Cameron Reyes
Autonomous Republics like the USSR
Caleb Perez
Fuck off tripshit
Josiah Sanders
plz stop tripfagging
the narcissism will corrupt you
Kevin Sullivan
Oh well that's totally a different story
You should have said so
Nicholas Wright
Already has. So much fucking power……..
Easton Cooper
gross
Adam Foster
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Noah King
what's your solution then oh mighty comrade?
Ayden Miller
A system of communes like how the USSR should have been
en.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org
LONG LIVE THE ST. LOUIS COMMUNE
LONG LIVE THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION
Jacob Powell
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Michael Anderson
America was different from most other countries, but the labor shortage that made wages steadily rise for 150 years finally met its end in the '70s.
Ayden Brooks
I'm aware of that, but the labor shortage doesn't figure anywhere into the concept of American Exceptionalism, which OP was invoking.
The typical ideological explanation for why America was different was greater freedom, God's favor, the individualist ethos, something unique to the "American spirit", so on and so forth.
Wolff is going very much against the grain of American Exceptionalism by suggesting that all that was unique about America was something so mundane as a labor shortage.
Henry Moore
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Landon Scott
This map makes absolutely no sense
Nathan Barnes
one state for the proles
Brandon Mitchell
Surely the Central American Republics become part of Mexico again in this fantasy drivel?
Zachary Bennett
And nothing of value would be lost.
Michael Smith
Just turn it into Swamp Country.
Evan Davis
Oh fuck, I forgot to turn off my trolling flag.
Caleb King
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Ryan Collins
Can I have a link to the full talk, if there is? Also, I'd love to hear some examples of these successful companies.
Nathaniel Nelson
Literally why it collapsed.
Jeremiah Cruz
GOOD Trotsky that's some GOOD Trotsky right there
Although this board might not like it, we need bourgeois "morality" (what we call idpol; it's better to respect people because that's good business) to continue to exist even as capitalism collapses. Same goes for the economic standard of living, real socialism can only happen in the first world at first.