State of Holla Forums userbase

John Clark
John Clark

I noticed that, the 2016 election cycle completely has killed Holla Forums's quality shortly after the "alt-right" was created and the "kek" meme really kicked up steam. I think that goons or other outsiders created the kek meme and the other related memes that turned the discussion into shit. Have you noticed that, when enough posters are spamming the board with memes, instead of discussing content, it destroys the board quality and attracts similar posters? Now granted we don't have the same activity of posting right now, but it's still a problem.

Then, we also have the problem that a huge amount of posters here are reddit users. If you actually make a thread (like this one) pointing this out, you will notice that a few of them will out themselves, or say that they found out about this place because of reddit. I think that it's important to notice that the 2016 election and GG were both events that caused a mass migration of redditors into the pool of posters here, as they were both major internet-wide happenings that required the kind of anonymity that imageboards provide for serious discussion. We know that GG and moot's attempt to kill Holla Forums was able to kill the general quality of 4chan because of a combination of reddit immigrants from GG entering the site and older posters leaving the site to post on Holla Forums. I think that the 2016 election is causing a similar migration, but I don't know where people are leaving too. Personally I haven't posted on Holla Forums for a while because of this.

I also want to try and point out another effect of GG- and this was the merging of the Holla Forums and /v/ userbase. If you'll notice that before GG, the /v/ and Holla Forums userbases were a lot more distinct from each other, but after GG I noticed that a lot of the /v/ mentality came into the Holla Forums userbase, and I think that there was a distinct cultural shift in Holla Forums since then. I personally think that the reason that the Holla Forums userbase was so susceptible to memes that detract from the actual discussion and instead are just pointless references or "brand wars" is because /v/ discussion is filled with this kind of thing. Then, you can apply /v/ shitposting to Holla Forums ideas, and you have a userbase that is undermined by this mentality.

I think that the result of all of this is that there is a big change in how Holla Forums works… we have the kind of blind mentality that reddit has that favors in-group thinking and doesn't tolerate disagreements- I think that this is why a lot of users will compromise their values when Trump does something that is arguably bad, and will defend him no matter what, but without making arguments- I think that a lot of these posters are here from reddit, since this kind of blind faith in a set of shared values is something that their website is designed to breed. I'm not talking about people who argue, but the kinds of people who post memes instead of arguing. It's what they do because Holla Forums has no "downvote" button for them to press.

And quite a lot of threads are just spam by now, from either actors from other sites or boards making a concentrated effort, or by misguided people who think that they are making a contribution to the board instead of being a cancerous entity who is helping destroy it. I think that's how a lot of people who have adopted the "reddit mentality" think- they think that they are helping the website, instead of hurting it with their presence.

Now, I don't think that there should be no fun allowed, but I hope that I'm not the only "pre-GG" user who has noticed these changes to the site.

Jack Fisher
Jack Fisher

muh nu/pol/
If I make another thread they won't know it's me

Matthew Thompson
Matthew Thompson

bump

Luis Gomez
Luis Gomez

reported

Robert Watson
Robert Watson

Regardless about what the anime faggot thinks, you are right. However Holla Forums never dies because Holla Forums is the truth. At the end of the day the truth will always out, and is very likely to do so among people who are seeking it - like us. You do make a good point about reddit types pushing their retarded fundamentalist crap and trying to denounce any opposing ideas via peer pressure as opposed to arguments, and it has resulted in me giving up on a fair few threads where the sheer weight of the idiocy was too much for me to be bothered with.

However, it must also be recognised that the truth leaks out in the end. I have witnessed countless threads now where some pioneering hero of truth has discovered something that the rest of Holla Forums (at least old /pol/) knew 8 years ago. So left mostly to their own devices with our culture of searching for the truth, they will eventually come around.

Personally I feel like the entire process would be massively sped up if the mods weren't complete faggots who deleted screen-cap / red-pill threads. They are such an easy way of making sure that everyone is up-to-date on everything, as well as keeping the traditions alive.

Holla Forums will never die though, because the truth can never die.

Chase Powell
Chase Powell

Oh I know OP, how I pine for the quality of pre-election Holla Forums :^) this is sarcasm

Isaac Gomez
Isaac Gomez

less forced bbc mod threads on /b/index.html, and that's saying something.

Gavin Green
Gavin Green

I don't give a shit, you cancerous piece of shit: BUMP

Owen Cruz
Owen Cruz

bump

Josiah Ross
Josiah Ross

subversive incel pedo cartoon poster doesn't like thread
I guess I'm obligated to bump it.
Holla Forums really is shit now. Can't even have a meaningful conversation without a retard or shill butting in and shitting all over it half the time.

Got a non-thumbnail version?

Landon Hall
Landon Hall

/pol/ really is shit now

Keep consensus cracking. I'm sure it'll finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, finally, work this time

James Jones
James Jones

I haven't posted in several months, but this is a great example of what i'm talking about. Can you explain why this thread is bad, instead of "downvoting" me?

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I don't mind that people from other sites and cultures learn about things, I just think that, either I have been left behind in an exodus, which I am hopeful for, or that mass immigration into the site has created a situation where the quality won't be easily found again. I think that it's good that sites like reddit and 4chan still exist, so that people can be there and not here- but now, I think that there is not enough room, because quality discussion is just crowded out (same reason why 4chan Holla Forums and Holla Forums Holla Forums had to split in the first place).

I don't see anything wrong with those threads. As well as shill threads on the top of the catalog right now, there are also twitter PA requests.

Luis Foster
Luis Foster

That doesn't even make any sense. Damage control implies that I've made a mistake earlier but I've only posted in this thread once so far.
literally repeating a single word over and over
Thanks for proving my point.

Nicholas Peterson
Nicholas Peterson

The only problem with Holla Forums is the usual fsggotry, including OP, along with the fact that we have been in a state of near constant high level shilling for going on two and a half years now, from many different and often changing sources.

Difficult, yes. But Holla Forums is doing fine. This is concern trolling.

Luis Stewart
Luis Stewart

I haven't posted in several months
I totally believe you shlomo

Isaiah Lewis
Isaiah Lewis

I don't seen anything wrong with the aimless, powerless, low-energy board that was pre-election full/pol/
I'm sure you don't.

I'm assmad because my consensus cracking isn't working this time just like all the other times
Noted

Asher Gomez
Asher Gomez

Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I don't mind that people from other sites and cultures learn about things, I just think that, either I have been left behind in an exodus, which I am hopeful for, or that mass immigration into the site has created a situation where the quality won't be easily found again. I think that it's good that sites like reddit and 4chan still exist, so that people can be there and not here- but now, I think that there is not enough room, because quality discussion is just crowded out (same reason why 4chan Holla Forums and Holla Forums Holla Forums had to split in the first place).

To be honest I've wondered if I missed some new exodus as well. There certainly is good content in other places, although the fact that many of them seem to only have 5 or so members is disheartening.

Regarding the split between 4 and 8 chan, it really had nothing to do with quality. It was all about moot siding with the jews over gamergate and destroying 4/pol/ with cuckold audio and nigger dicks. I will agree that 8/pol/ became amazing for the next year and a bit because only the obsessive lurkers actually moved, but it was not initially about quality and we shouldn't misrepresent history.

Justin Reyes
Justin Reyes

assmad
Only people who are mad say shit like this.

Hunter Harris
Hunter Harris

Can't even have a meaningful conversation without a retard or shill butting in and shitting all over it half the time.
That's Holla Forums in general now.

Levi Fisher
Levi Fisher

Can't argue with those digits.

Lucas Perry
Lucas Perry

Only people who are mad say shit like this.
Careful, don't get too mad.

Cameron Gonzalez
Cameron Gonzalez

One thing I do find amusing is how the immigrants who have ruined the quality here act exactly like the immigrants who have ruined the quality of the West. They insist they are not the problem, they insist life was shit before they came, and they bring up a few examples (like that screen cap of an old catalog) as supposed proof that life was shit before they came.

Hilarious how they do not see the direct parallels between their IRL complaints about immigrants, and our complaints about them.

Lincoln Cooper
Lincoln Cooper

Just remember nobody thinks of memes seriously except normalfags. That's the first sign of you yourself being a fucking redditor.

Gavin Lewis
Gavin Lewis

king nigger meme
I really do think you need to go back.

David Flores
David Flores

And you lainposter, should know that on lainchan people ban for sexism because of "female user minority".

Ayden Rivera
Ayden Rivera

Catalogue means nothing anyway. Even shit threads can become great if they spark something between posters. Just goes to show how new that guy really is.

Joshua Evans
Joshua Evans

Fuck lainchan, I only use Lains to shitpost slide threads.

Leo Ward
Leo Ward

This thread again

Aiden Reed
Aiden Reed

Quality was part of the reason, since the IRC leaks we know most of the jannis are Berniebro-tier liberals who hate the userbase which is why template shitposting ("redpill me on x" ">implying x is white") and IR porn spam have permitted for a long time.

Xavier Ross
Xavier Ross

So basically it made you mad?

Zachary Lopez
Zachary Lopez

Another great example of users "downvoting" on an imageboard. I've filtered you by now.

The problem is not campaigns or exercises of power. The problem is the undermining of the userbase. I think that you've completely adopted the "reddit mentality" that I've been trying to point out: you're repeating the "consensus cracking" talking point, because you don't want to argue, you just want to virtue signal to the other posters who who also agree with you and also don't want to put in any energy beyond "downvoting".

I know that moot actively drove out the old Holla Forums userbase, and I get what you mean by how I'm misrepresenting it. I think that a good rewording would be that the split was necessary to preserve the quality of the board. 4chan Holla Forums, despite a mass exodus, was not deprived of users. So, who came in and filled the empty space? I think that it was a combination of posters from /v/ and some posters from reddit. As, during GG a lot of /v/ users were redpilled for the first time, and then reddit users trickled into /v/ and then into Holla Forums, combined with /v/ users moving into Holla Forums due to the GG redpilling. If there was not an exodus we would have faced the same situation that we have now, only earlier. This is because we would have had to share the board with an influx of lower quality posters, combined with a steady trickle of redditors, earlier. I think Holla Forums Holla Forums created enough space to delay this as it was able to handle users from 4chan Holla Forums trickling into the site, but it wasn't able to handle the election and the mass influx of users because of it.

It's not about the memes themselves, but about how spamming the memes has invaded the discussion, instead of complimenting it.

Jose Smith
Jose Smith

"downvoting"
You don't belong here

Logan Anderson
Logan Anderson

Indeed. The old lament about how OP is a faggot and OP a shit were not for nothing. Many threads still turned out great regardless…

Fair point, but the overall quality of content in 4/pol/ before GG was significantly worse than post-GG 8/pol/. I know there were some who came here during the first exodus, but the biggest wave was the second exodus and that had little to do with quality, and more to do with treachery.

I guess the biggest contingent is now the redditors, the '3rd exodus' after they shut down coontown and all the_donald faggots came. … It's actually kind of interesting to think about the history of this place and what caused each of the migrations.

Logan Gonzalez
Logan Gonzalez

The Zimzam trial was cuck/pol/'s last hurrah tbh. It was a beautiful moment when the whole board was so focused on laughing at a dead nigger and the ensuing circus that the shills, mods, and even moot were rendered pretty much powerless to work their jewry.

William Cook
William Cook

act like a redditfag
get called out on it
<y-your reddit

John Sanders
John Sanders

That was perhaps one of the greatest times ever.

Andrew Reed
Andrew Reed

Maybe we're talking about a different sequence of events, the 2nd Exodus from my POV was the wave that came here after the Shekel Shoa threads on 4/pol/ were banned under rule 4 ("No raiding") which was different from /pol/harbor.

Xavier James
Xavier James

posting incel white genocide cartoons
Wow, you really showed me.

Eli Cook
Eli Cook

le kike reddit may may lol
Way to out yourself.

John Thomas
John Thomas

Your responses don't make any sense. Are you a robot?
Yeah, just get an anime wife not a real one.
Wouldn't want that white seed fertilizing any eggs :)

Ayden Bailey
Ayden Bailey

This is concern trolling.
textbook. whether intentional or not

saging a thread is "downvoting" despite saging working in no way shape or form like a downvote.
The only one implying that sage works like a downvote is you, buddy.
Can you explain why this thread is bad
As I said: this is concern trolling. Also it reads like a copypasta. Also:
2016 election is causing influx
2015+2
Also this type of "/pol/ isn't what it used to be" thread has been coming up consistently for years and is classic endchan shilling ( see 11008563 )

Anthony Kelly
Anthony Kelly

<8chan.co archive
not 8ch.net archive
OP is a faggot but so are you.

Andrew Ortiz
Andrew Ortiz

internet communities never change in quality
This is your brain on anime.

Isaac Mitchell
Isaac Mitchell

can’t read english
copies and pastes his replies
calls others bots
wew lad; reported

Lincoln Sanchez
Lincoln Sanchez

accuses me of things that have literally nothing to do with my post
Yep, robot for sure.

Nicholas Reyes
Nicholas Reyes

/pol/ never gets raided
/pol/ hasn't been under constant shilling attacks since IOTBW

Evan Murphy
Evan Murphy

I'm using the term "downvoting" to describe people who are using the site in the same way that they use reddit- by posting no-content replies to things they don't like. I'm not saying that the sage is a downvote, although I get how it's being misleading.

Anyway why do you think that this discussion isn't useful to have?

Lincoln Turner
Lincoln Turner

I never denied that those things happen. It's you who is kvetching about the implication that the board has dropped in quality.

Lucas King
Lucas King

sage
"downvoting"
go back to plebbit faggot

Henry Diaz
Henry Diaz

can't comprehend things that he reads
go back to liberia nigger

Daniel Price
Daniel Price

your whole post
Losing the argument, pic related

Lincoln Brown
Lincoln Brown

What argument?

Colton Rivera
Colton Rivera

Anime is not an argument. It is an abomination.

Jeremiah Sanders
Jeremiah Sanders

Reminder that everyone you see using the shorthand 'T_D' is an actual redditor. Obviously you wouldn't need a shorthand, if you weren't using the word frequently.

Levi Richardson
Levi Richardson

Anime is an abomination
Goon detected

David Stewart
David Stewart

Don't do this

Mason Lee
Mason Lee

I'm only post-GG because I'm ex Stormfag.

Blake Reyes
Blake Reyes

I was literally saying that it's one of these threads again, that's it

Caleb Campbell
Caleb Campbell

is that what they call "Yuri"? seems tame.

Noah Perez
Noah Perez

I never denied that those things happen.
And I never denied that the quality of the site is going south. Anyone using it for more than a month can see that.
It's you who is kvetching about the implication that the board has dropped in quality.
complaining about the quality of the board is go-to shilling. This thread also popped up when the shill in stopped posting. Set off my (((coincidence))) detector.

Anyway why do you think that this discussion isn't useful to have?
Why do you think that it is a productive discussion and isn't just concern trolling/blackpill? Your main point seems to be "people post memes instead of having deep intellectual discussions about inane things." Why do we need to talk about X for the Nth time? What are the threads that you want to see?

And are you seriously decrying the use of reaction images?

Yes, and I was using it to make a point, not replying to you.

Cooper Mitchell
Cooper Mitchell

I think that goons or other outsiders created the kek meme
Retard alert.

Isaiah Lewis
Isaiah Lewis

all this memespouting
all this lain spamming for 120 posts

Liam Thompson
Liam Thompson

redpilling thread
thread exposing government control of Internet
news thread
demoralization thread
CHIMPOUT MOTHERFUCKER
cross-board advertising at the site’s dawn
anti-fat thread
redpill thread
anti-jew thread
childfucker awareness thread
midterm voting thread
debate thread
internet shill exposure thread
redpill thread
leadership organization thread
children exposure thread
redpill thread
anti-fag thread
unknown
white genocide thread
redpill thread

So two bad threads and the rest useful. Yes, we miss those days. Kill yourself for not.

Jace Anderson
Jace Anderson

new fucking levels of spam.

Dominic Allen
Dominic Allen

reporting you fucking faggot

John Allen
John Allen

is not reddit, it wasn't the election
it's shilling, have you read /n/ or /n+/ latetly? They praise trump now, while defending the same crap they have always done. Profesional shills have conquered 8ch.

Hunter Ortiz
Hunter Ortiz

120 spam posts
Filtered. Have a bump, OP.

Now, I don't think that there should be no fun allowed, but I hope that I'm not the only "pre-GG" user who has noticed these changes to the site.
You're 100% correct. I've noticed the same trend and the retard spamming this thread is a good example of this.

Kayden Torres
Kayden Torres

the 2016 election cycle completely has killed Holla Forums's quality shortly after the "alt-right" was created

Reminder that the term Alt-Right was in use at least since 2007 as far as I know by Brett Stevens of amerika.org and anus.com (who has actually been writing on similar subjects since 1989 in the BBS days) and it wasn't until Milo started getting popular and wrote an article that got trended on facebook that normies started picking it up. Which in a way sort of had a duel effect: it was hilarious because Brett and other early writers were laughing their ass off about it because it at least helped get their ideas out there, but of course ala the whole fight-club phenomenon, the more people started talking about the more problems inevitably occur, to the point where even Brett decided that the term was becoming too loaded and opted to deem it as obsolete due to facebook-tards and others who didn't know what it was started inventing different definitions of it. Eventually he basically said that since the Alt-Right became maintstream, that there is in a way no such thing as the Alt-Right but now it may be more accurate to just refer to the right as "The Right". The early definition was in a similar vein to the feel of the tea-party movement, people who were disillusioned with the establishment RNC and didn't see a viable alternative in a lot of the White Nationalism 1.0 crowd that didn't seem to have a lot of effective techniques. Some think of Brett as "kiked-out" a bit because he sounds like he defends Israel, but he's a a lot more nuanced than that. He only states that in theory, as he sees it that all groups have a tendency for self-interest, that the implementation of Israel's nationalism is at least in a way sort of admirable. Brett is however an advocate for "Pan-Nationalism" in that he thinks it's understandable that all groups should act in their interest and persue nationalism as this is a better alternative to globalization. (Of course, I don't agree with everything he says in a way, as Israel has a lot of people who are the driving force behind globalization, if they weren't and the zionists got fucked and Israel just kept to themselves and didn't try to fuck the world over I wouldn't be as pissed off with them.) In a way though, as I see it, Pan-Nationalism does achieve the same things as White-Nationalism as it legitimizes the forming of a white ethno-state. I think it's more effective because it has a tendency for more people to get on board with it, because it acknowledges that people of all identities have the right to self-determination and it isn't a declaration of superiority. I'm in the same boat with Brett though that some groups preform better at certain things than others as the literal definition of "equality" is absurd. Thing is, the question of "treating one group more than another" isn't even a factor hypothetically if all states are homologous then it's not really possibly to discriminate on that basis (forced diversity is conductive to racism). But even within an ethnostate, you may tend to want to treat all of your people equal and I agree with that (such as natsoc programs for taking care of the women when they're pregnate for example, and having a reasonable minimum wage) but I think the principle of hierarchy/meritocracy can't be ignored as in if some have more potential than others it would make sense that you would want to encourage their growth so that they provide a biological feedback loop and contribute to the health of your people. But of course that's already a part of the whole social-captialism mixed systems approach that was already pioneered by the National Socialists.

As for what more of what you're talking about, I think there's actually a lot of good conversations on here despite people just having fun and shit-posting a bit.

Elijah Carter
Elijah Carter

Lots of pro net neutrality comments these days here so I believe you

Brayden Cruz
Brayden Cruz

It's people like OP actually that have been and continue to kill Holla Forums.

Hudson Harris
Hudson Harris

Some think of Brett as "kiked-out" a bit because he sounds like he defends Israel, but he's a a lot more nuanced than that. He only states that in theory, as he sees it that all groups have a tendency for self-interest, that the implementation of Israel's nationalism is at least in a way sort of admirable.
The problem with this position is that it presupposes no inherent difference between the kikes and every other race of men, that it naively believes that kikes are capable of being reciprocally left to their own devices, and that the jew is not the antithesis of the aryan man in spirit and in action.

It is the single most pernicious and destructive belief in the corpus of contemporary right wing thought.

Aiden Nguyen
Aiden Nguyen

ARYAN BROTHERS IT IS TIME TO MOVE TO >>>/natsoc/
Holla Forums IS POZZED AND BEYOND REPAIR
ABANDON SHIP TO THE RATS WHO RUINED THIS BOARD AND DEATH TO THE MODS WHO ALLOWED IT

Anthony Carter
Anthony Carter

The content on Holla Forums has declined because the administration here betrayed and all the effort posters who bring the content here and the only ones that remain are just ones that evade the bans and keep posting stuff. The entire catalogue is, I assure you, entirely composed of material submitted by ban evaders. Some people are sick though of the mods interfering with the discussion and have left to various other splinter boards they are hoping to build up into something where actual discussion is allowed. The mods here snuff out a lot of discussion and also try to force the users to only pay attention to their stickies and call any discussion not about whatever stupid event they think is important and which always concerns primarily Americans anyways as "slide threads". A lot of anons just want to explore and discuss a variety of Holla Forums topics besides the ones the admins want to force us to and the constant interference from the mods creates all the problems. They just need to be more hands off and less intrusive on people. For example, any random neolib retard that comes in, will get banned thus cucking us out of getting a chance to btfo them over and over in the thread because they just ban them.

Who fucking cares where they come from btw. The content on Holla Forums is mostly set by the thread creators and as I've already said the mods went after the Holla Forums oldfags and chased them away to the point where only a skeletal crew of content contributors remains.

Nathan Morales
Nathan Morales

/natsoc/index.html ?

Wyatt Howard
Wyatt Howard

Reminder that you will be held to task for the crimes you're actively committing through this "work". Do not blindly assume you are insulated and your actions above justice. You will be allotted for.

Nathaniel Morris
Nathaniel Morris

Yes. The board's a bit neglected, but it can be revived by true NatSoc Aryans.
Holla Forums basically is shit because it basically became too famous, a victim of its own success and every non-Aryan shill is trying to push their narrative and influence the board into directions which have nothing to do with NatSoc ideology or values.
Many here are vatniks, "based" muslims, shitskins, feminists, (((civnat))) (((duginists))) and other assorted trash.
There's literally no reason to stay here and the Holla Forums brand has been pozzed, so moving to another Holla Forums on another board won't really solve the problem.

Sebastian Moore
Sebastian Moore

Sorry for the delayed replies, internet went out

Not reaction images, but that it's just so much of the replies that it prevents things from being discussed. It's hard for me to convey that, I don't think that reaction images are a problem, but the fact that most of the content is just inane responses with nothing to really read about. It's like reading people yelling. I want to see threads where the ratio of discussion to memes and spam is about 60:40 instead of 80:20.

Either that, or the /v/ / GG posters got too autistic about it and spammed it for way too long. It would have been better if the meme died and I think that we both know that the majority of people still using it are from reddit.

I didn't hear about this, thanks for the background info. I didn't really have any internet in my house until around 2012 or so I basically just saw a bunch of e-celeb fags, kikes, etc going on about the "alt right" about a few months after some threads on Holla Forums about a "new right" showed up, but it was just so quickly co-opted. This is actually a similar reason that I didn't like GG at all- I agreed with the ideological points but following e-celeb drama and watching e-celebs is just gay and the "anti-journalism" threads on /v/ were much better before it was a "movement".

Mason Rivera
Mason Rivera

True, came from halfchan /v/ during gg, thought Holla Forums was mostly a bunch of crackpots up until then.

It's also true that I care more about laughs and happenings, but I almost never post so I don't feel I add to any overall shitpostiness by being here.

Been sort of teetering on a political edge for a while now.

Asher Rodriguez
Asher Rodriguez

I love if you try to call attention to the massive shilling effort pushed on this site, the thread gets immediately invaded. Really activates the almonds. It's not just Holla Forums, but many of the popular boards are drastically falling in quality posting and discussion. I've noticed its many factors, you've got the reddit and 4cuck rapefugees, paid shills from various sources, and last, but not least, female subversives (These are the worst imo, watch as they immediately attack any discussion about female nature and other similar topics.) I also feel like I've been left behind in another exodus, but am stuck with this until I find something better.

Jace Sanchez
Jace Sanchez

Well on /new/ there were a lot of very loud gay libeterians, gookfuckers, and other degenerates larping around. Nothing has changed. It's like when you or me go to leftypol and troll them. The enemy does the same thing here. The thing is, because of the nature of an imageboard and its very design, you can't ban anyone. You can only ban discussion, allowing or not allowing certain kinds of discussion, which in the case of mods that get paranoid means banning any discussion associated to some identity of other.

How many people are here and who is posting doesn't actually matter. If a theoretical or actual complete degenerate trannyfucker weirdo like the ones that were present on /new/ is posting but everything he posts is 100% aligned with natsoc ideology, he's just doing our work for us.

The thing is, there strategy has, and always has been, to get influence over us by being BASED and then they slip in some one exception, and then all their buddies do the same thing, and then if you tolerate them all and accept all their exceptions, they whittle down white nationalism to "drugs, miscegenation, etc. is ok and pajeets, gooks, and whatever else shitskins I happen to fetishize are honorary aryans and therefore white, but irish aren't white, anglos aren't white, etc." typical JIDF divide and conquer shit. They did this all the time on /new/ trying to add non-whites and jews into the definition of white while at the exact same time trying to define all actual whites as non-white and sowing discord between different whites.

The problem isn't the presence of the shills but the not allowing us to just blow them the fuck out and fight them with our own memes. Today /4chon/ for example is nothing like the old /new/ at all whatsoever and they don't even have political discussions really there anymore, because the degenerates bullied the pro-white posters off of there, until anyone who remains there became completely demoralized and gave up. HDV stopped working on his holohoax exposure videos site, various other pro-white posters wandered off into other interests or simply left, all discussion became /meta/. Also they all kind of merged at some point into one common understanding where everything would just be preaching to the choir and nobody on the board feels there's any point anymore in discussing things.

Holla Forums on the other hand has this sense of urgency about it where it feels like what you're posting actually matters, because it's easy to imagine all sorts of lurkers are watching our conversations, and learning from the, so fighting off the forces of the JIDF or anti-whites in all their forms here actually matters… but then the mods here just kill all that by interfering. We don't get to have discussions anymore, we only get to have dig threads, and nobody is allowed to talk about issues in countries that aren't America. Well, at least if you happen to speak English. The countries that don't speak English the mods can't understand what they are saying so I guess they just leave them and their threads alone.

Holla Forums isn't dead because of the shills and sliders and whatever else, it's dead because an imageboard is supposed to be for discussion, but the mods try to stamp out all discussion

Thomas Bailey
Thomas Bailey

You put a lot of thought into your wall of text but unfortunately your conclusions are way too inductive, so to speak. Your conclusions are far too dependent on prior conclusions. For instance, you're glancing over simple details and one small example is enough to break your flow of thought.

As an example, the "kek" meme would have never taken off if it weren't for the bizarre coincidences that couldn't be ignored. Similar to how /bane/posting appears to have been responsible for crashing planes, kek came around in a similar way. It's undoubtedly true that the userbase has changed but speculation and misdirected blame is worse. On one hand, if the supernatural elements of kek are real and tangible to an extent, they are worth exploring. On the other hand and as mentioned before there's no harm in the meme itself and it has affected our enemies credibility just for how averse they are to it. Overall kek posting is good for morale and morale is directly affected by various shill groups - demoralization is a primary tool of our enemies. Ever notice how board culture is attacked on every board but when left to its own devices it becomes the backbone of the community?

But I digress, let's talk about the obvious and agreed part, the change of the userbase. There is an obvious shift in the first half of 2015 to the second and the simplest reason for this is because the nature of the election was unprecedented. Regardless of what Trump truly is in terms of his overall role, the surrounding events acted as a positive vacuum of activity that made our job easier. Placing blame on the election itself is poor evaluation and only shows that you're overlooking the benefits. While I do miss the variety and the extent of subjects covered on Holla Forums, it's up to the users to create the threads and attract interested posters.

Because you were tying to explain this by recapping GG and /v/, I'll use an example of this to illustrate a parallel. Before GG fell into the PR trap, its most common problem was too much emphasis on eceleb activity. Often posters would complain there weren't enough digging threads and ultimately one had to be created as a recurring general. All that did was allow the rest of the catalog to be free to be about ecelebs until that too became its sticky. The rest of the catalog stagnated while the eceleb discussion took on a life of its own. The point here is that content begets interest begets users, and like a cycle the content you put out will entice more interest in certain topics and attract users who want to participate in those topics.

To summarize, you overthought things and are misplacing blame. The true solution to the problem with threads and topics and the userbase is to create threads with topics that will reshape the userbase. Shills do this all the time, it's called sliding when they do it because they want the userbase to become preoccupied with pointless topics and slide good topics off the board. To remedy this, all you have to do is make threads in topics you want to see and participate in others that are good for the community. Is that so hard? It's up to you.

Juan Perez
Juan Perez

Oh and btw the ones who created the kek meme are, guess what? The original founders of Holla Forums and /fringe/. The /new/smen, who has always been interested in such things as esoteric hitlerism and pepe, and who eventually made the kek phenomena.

The mods allowing kek threads is great. I don't have a problem with kek threads. I have a problem with how they feel the need to shutdown however so many other discussions that could be had and not just letting the userbase itself decide what they want to discuss. If nobody wants to discuss a thread, nobody will respond, but no mods cut these threads short by suddenly deleting and banning people, and you have to leave the thread and go find another one in the catalog, disappointed you couldn't submit your reply you just wrote.

Gavin Ross
Gavin Ross

Euphoric

Kayden Perry
Kayden Perry

Did you see this article too?

https://newint.org/columns/essays/2016/04/01/psycho-spiritual-crisis

Alexander Garcia
Alexander Garcia

This

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