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Samuel Martinez
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Its like none of you want to become Overmen or something…

ITT we discuss stoicism and its superiority as a personal philosophy for the western world

If I have learned one thing in all my time lurking over the years, on this board there are people who want to be virtuous and take action in their lives to bring about a better state of affairs. The endless debate about which 'pill' is the right pill or if Christianity is more western than Paganism seem like red herrings. Stoicism offers more practical advice, makes fewer assumptions, and leads to a higher degree of self discipline than any system of thought out there. There is no mysticism or baseless first principles. Just practical advice for being a great man. Justify not being a practitioner of it.

Also, I know there is a ton of important shit on the board right now and I hate to slide but this is important.

Evan Cox
Evan Cox

you say that like theres ever been a stoicisim thread.
i deeply regret abandoning my studies of epictetus for so long but i have simply not had the time, what with going to school and working simultaneously

Lucas Rogers
Lucas Rogers

post more pics. tell us about stoicism senpai!

Cooper Thompson
Cooper Thompson

If you want to get back into Epictetus but with a more modern flavor I can't recommend reading Courage Under Fire by Admiral Stockdale enough. It just might be the most impressive tale of mental toughness and endurance I have ever read. The man endures years in a Vietnamese prison camp after being shot down. While he was floating on his parachute he is quoted as thinking "I am now leaving the world of technology and entering the world of Epictetus."

Seriously, google this guy bro

Wyatt Morgan
Wyatt Morgan

If you want the whole thing in a nutshell, this about sums it up user. But of course I'd recommend further reading. Pick up a pdf or a copy of the Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. He wrote it while on campaign in Germany while he was emperor of Rome.

Isaac Anderson
Isaac Anderson

Meditations by Marcus Aurelius

thanks!

Jackson Martin
Jackson Martin

It's not because things are difficult that we dare not venture. It's because we dare not venture that they are difficult.

Eli Evans
Eli Evans

No worries user. This whole board is obsessed with restoring western civilization to its former glory. I'd say the pinnacle of western civilization was Imperial Rome, which Hitler actively emulated in his Reich. All of Imperial Rome's greatest leaders and thinkers were stoics yet Ive never seen a decent thread on it. Just mindless debate between "kike on a stick" and "muh paganism" larpers. Its almost like the yids don't want us discussing literally the greatest ideas western civilization ever had. Go figure.

Lucas Diaz
Lucas Diaz

Rome as an archtype yes, but not in practice. We should take the immense good and leave what was vastly bad. The idea of an emperor is great, but the empire he rules is the important. The conquering of Africans and Semites was Rome's ultimate undoing; we must correct that mistake.

On stoicism; never forget that a good Anglo is always a Stoic. For your reading pleasure, 'If' by Rudyard Kipling:

If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too;
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don’t deal in lies,
Or being hated, don’t give way to hating,
And yet don’t look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream—and not make dreams your master;
If you can think—and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you’ve spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build ’em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breathe a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: ‘Hold on!’

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,
If all men count with you, but none too much;
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it,
And—which is more—you’ll be a Man, my son!

Nathan James
Nathan James

It's not because things are difficult that we dare not venture. It's because we dare not venture that they are difficult.

Seneca is another great source of reading on Stoicism. He may have plotted to kill Nero, the emperor known for incest and degeneracy. This anons quote is from him. Stoicism has literally been responsible for the salvation of western civilization multiple times throughout history. I cannot stress its importance enough.

David James
David James

im lurking and learning. bump

Jayden Murphy
Jayden Murphy

I literally kept this poem in my wallet while I was a runner in high school. If any anons want a practical exercise in stoicism, make yourself uncomfortable. When you confront poverty and pain head on, you see it isn't so bad and not worth fearing. Go out inna woods for a while, or go down to a local track and sprint until you puke. You will learn things.

Eli Clark
Eli Clark

I appreciate the effort, OP, but nu-/pol/ is made up of a bunch if hysterical low test babies these days, so exactly the audience that is incapable of stoicism.

Asher Morales
Asher Morales

Another interesting thing about stoicism is that it helps to discipline your inner thoughts and bring them under your control. Do you suffer from compulsive porn use? Smoking? Drugs? All of that impulsiveness results from a lack of command and control over your mental state.

Stoics are not to be confused with Taoists or Buddhists (though admittedly there is some overlap). They practice a method I would call framing. Say a person you are close to dies. A stoic realizes that death is out of there sphere of control, but how they react to that death is. They could break down and cry, or see it as an opportunity. Perhaps an opportunity to be strong for others who were close to the dead person, or to practice control over how you carry yourself publicly in times of grief. Where others see misfortune, stoics see opportunity. That is why the greatest military minds have preached its benefits for thousands of years and why entrepreneurs are drawn to it. They see the way forward where others would see only a setback.

Robert Rogers
Robert Rogers

That may be true, but there is no loss in the effort of discussing it. Better to at least try to correct course in vain than to simply sail into the rocks, no?

Jayden Morales
Jayden Morales

I am tired so here is a dump of some random stoic quotes to think about. Hopefully, I have baited the hook well enough for at least one of you to bite. These ideas matter and can make your life better in ways you wouldn't expect. Goodnight anons. Ill check the thread in the morning to answer questions if it hasn't 404'd

Wyatt Smith
Wyatt Smith

It is unfortunate that most people see stoicism as unfeeling and not just unemotional. It is common to conflate the two, but they are distinct. To be unfeeling means you lack any empathy, but to be unemotional means you do not show it. This is to imply that you have control over how your feelings effect you, not that you simply cannot express them.

In life, you have four choices to deal with any situation; whether to accept or reject the fact of the situation, and whether to deny or embrace its consequences. Let us say that you are faced with a threat on your life. Your first choice is to either accept the reality of the situation (your life is in danger), or deny that you are in any danger at all (your life is safe). If you deny reality, you have the choice to continue your delusion by pronouncing all of the positive effects (embracing it) or by undermining the reality (denying it). If you were to embrace the reality of your danger, you now have a choice to accept the consequences (typically through inaction), or to deny the consequences (typically through an active measure to change it). To be acceptively embrace your situation is to be totally passive, while to rejectively deny your situation is to be totally active. The Stoics teach us that the optimal strategy in most, if not all, situations is to acceptively reject bad effects in life while acceptively embracing the good effects.

John Rodriguez
John Rodriguez

dubs of truth. I like the formulaic analysis you just laid out. Is there a source for that or is that your original idea?

Noah Morgan
Noah Morgan

Correction; in the fifth sentence of paragraph two, I meant to write "If you were to accept the reality of your danger, you now have the choice to embrace the consequences…" rather than "If you were to embrace the reality of your danger, you now have the choice to accept the consequences…". This distinction is absolutely critical, as the two words are not synonymous in this assertion.

Parker Hughes
Parker Hughes

Observation from my own experience, though influenced by the interest I held in Jungian analytics, Gnosticism, and Hermeticism at the time of its formulation. It is very similar to Hegelian Dialectics as well.

I've tried to expand on it, but it becomes tangled and confused. At the basic level, it works well enough.

Christopher Lee
Christopher Lee

I looked into the gnostics and hermetics a bit myself but found that they make a significant amount of assumptions and rely on more first principles than the stoics. Higher tiers of reality and things existing outside the universe may be true, but spending time thinking about them when there are probably a bunch of more practical matters to attend to struck me as a waste of time.

I might use your breakdown in essays and such in the future if you don't mind me pawning it off as original. I like a good decision matrix. Makes thinking things through for me much faster.

Tyler Murphy
Tyler Murphy

Makes thinking things through for me much faster.

do not think fast; think deep

Michael Wood
Michael Wood

Dubs of truth. I agree with you on that in nine out of ten situations of course. My line of work has moments where you have to make life or death calls with half enough information and even less time though. I try to think about all reasonable sequences of future events and have a plan for all of them that is well thought out. Think deep in advance, act quickly in the moment etc.

Aiden Morris
Aiden Morris

I'd say the pinnacle of western civilization was Imperial Rome

I was there also at one point, and then I actually decided to read the history instead of reading a biography of a few men, and it turned out that Imperial Rome was the same decadent society that was the late roman republic when the same men were corrupting it. The Punic wars were the end of the good era of Roman history, and everything after that is a wasteland filled with trash.

The Aristocratic Republic should be the version you should Emulate, instead of the Empire which the US decided to mimic almost to a T whiling following it's degeneracy. Except they never had a war on Judea which killed most of the kikes in the world at that time.

Stoicism was simply a reaction to the utterly degenerate society Rome had become by then, and it was a survival mechanism but the dwindling supply of true nobles in my opinion, and when I read The Meditations it only reinforced what I thought prior.

Also, Hitler didn't try to emulate Rome, that was Mussolini who failed at everything he managed to do, and Christianity is a cult that should have been purged when the cancer first showed up in Greece. If the Romans managed to do that, it would have been one of the few things they managed to do right in the entire 507 years of the empire. The Jewish Sect should not be shown favorably in any way after all the destruction of Italian culture and society, and the corruption with their filth in the commoner. Unless of course you think defacing extremely high quality statues that weren't matched in quality until the Renaissance is a good thing of course. Nero had the right idea when it came to the Christians, and Marcus did also before he turned into a fucking cucklord who wanted to save face.

Jaxon Harris
Jaxon Harris

I make no claim of the core idea being wholly or even partially original, but only in the framing of it. I hope it helps you as much as it has helped me.

On the Gnostics and Hermetics, I am uncertain. Their observations of the natural order of the world and promotion of its study is particularly useful. Their conclusions are disagreeable, but I still lack the care for a more in depth study in them. It is odd that a group of people so well studied and correct in thought come to such a negative view of the world. An increasingly common philosophical pit-fall. I find that studying the Orthodox Christian view on life as the perfect counter-argument. I say this not as a practicing Christian, but one who is still undecided and currently ambivalent towards it.

A muscle can be trained to lift heavier or to lift longer; both have their purpose and aid with the other (to a point). Likewise, a mind can think fast or deep. There is value in training it to do both.

Luke Ortiz
Luke Ortiz

There's a time and a place. The man chased by a lion would be a fool to ponder which particular tree to climb.

Mum included this one in my 21st birthday card. Rudyard Kipling is a gem of older literature.

Christian Thomas
Christian Thomas

i wasn't stating an absolute, but you're all correct

Easton Diaz
Easton Diaz

Stoicism is funny; it is the wittiest of all schools of thought. Why else would it be quoted overmuch? It could be criticized that stoicism is only a collection of sayings, but is it not widely considered that the bible is one of the greatest works of literature? That the writings of the Christian church have any value because of the sayings past down to us?

That being said, my father gave me a watch at my graduation with a saying that is meant to make "the poor man happy, and the rich man sad": "This too shall pass".

Luke Walker
Luke Walker

I am not a historian, but I have a hard time completely agreeing with you. The military and political dominance of Rome was never greater than when it was an empire, no? I'd say that is a decent enough yardstick for greatness. Stoics aren't puritans of course. It is foolhardy to think we can make a world of pure virgin waifus and supreme gentlemen if that is what you are implying by saying that Imperial Rome was degenerate. Degeneracy is a fact of human nature I'd say. Jews are a problem insofar as they catalyze degeneracy and use it to subvert the general decency of a society. They amplify what would otherwise be tolerable levels of degeneracy.

Ian Jones
Ian Jones

Interesting. I'll have to look into Orthodoxy a bit more. I spent some time over in /Christian/ just to get my toes wet as to what they believe but never considered that there was a connection between stoicism and orthodoxy. Thanks user, I'll take a look.

Levi Hall
Levi Hall

If only history worked in perfect poetry! That the Roman Empire would destroy the Jew, and the American Republic would build the Jew; Perhaps at the fall of the Republic, the Death of the Jew awaits!

Robert Parker
Robert Parker

Some of it can seem like facebook feelgood fodder. I use the images I do because I think most people can 'feel' that the sayings are true. I try to use feelings to make people look into stoicism and think that is basically the funniest shit ever.

Austin Taylor
Austin Taylor

Stoicism is an excellent starting point for mental strength and outlook on the world. It would certainly be a step in the right direction. That said, it's a little dated and I'm not sure the philosophy holds up in light of current world affairs. Understanding the Greeks thoroughly is a great foundation, but moving on to the Germans, specficically Kant through Nietzsche, would be ideal and give an user a more contemporary philosophy of mental and physical strength.

Levi Powell
Levi Powell

stoicism is for faggots, Germania rules!

Leo Jackson
Leo Jackson

That'd be nice I guess. I'd try to be a bit less romantic about it though. Analyze the problem, look for ways you can solve it, begin from there.

Live in your three foot world. When you are climbing a cliff and get stuck, the handhold that is out of reach is of no use to you. How far you are going to fall if you mess up is of no use to you. The only things that are of use to you in that moment are three feet away in your reach.

Spending your time thinking about the poetic retribution that the jews will face is like looking to the top of the cliff. Doing nothing is like waiting for the next Hitler. Fearing failure is like being basically 99% of the anons on Holla Forums constantly flipping shit over small events on the news. Remember, live in your three foot world.

Chase Williams
Chase Williams

that reaction image is for faggots

Owen Reed
Owen Reed

Jeez, so many dubs ITT.

I'd say you have a fair point. I don't think the buck stops at stoicism by any stretch. A good philosophical education will include far more than just stoics. But to continue the greek metaphor I'd say stoicism is to philosophy what wrestling and boxing are to fighting. They are the fundamental building blocks that give a good starting point to make a more well rounded complete package.

Caleb Barnes
Caleb Barnes

suck my dick

Dominic Allen
Dominic Allen

Most pertinent to what I had discussed is the Orthodox view of death; that it is an unnatural and horrible inevitably. Orthodox funeral services are different than any other; while most services are given to comfort the grieving or memorialize the past, the Orthodox are soothing the spirit into death. It is about comforting the dead because it is such an awful and horrible experience for the soul to be seperated from the body. I believe this talk by the late Fr. Thomas Hopko touched on this topic https://www.ancientfaith.com/specials/hopko_lectures/the_death_of_christ_and_our_death_in_him

I cannot recommend Hopko enough. His talks are the best introduction into the core of the Orthodox belief. Much of what they believe of our nature is true.

Man is more than his thoughts, his instinct should sway his mind only when appropriate. But the irony is great.

Nietzche seems to be the logical follow through of Stoic tradition. I know that he has influenced me greatly. On Kant, I do not know much of. How would he fit with the Stoics?

You are right. Hitler himself admitted that he began preparing the way for the man to fix his problems until he realized that he had to become that man. Sitting around and dreaming is a waste. Always walk down the path and get the goal.

Oliver Davis
Oliver Davis

Hard pass.

Grayson Butler
Grayson Butler

checked

Eli Miller
Eli Miller

mfw I read this thread

Sebastian Cox
Sebastian Cox

That wasn't a request you little piece of shit.

Asher Ramirez
Asher Ramirez

wow, this was a really nice thread until the JIDF showed up

Evan James
Evan James

yeah those poor (((Phoenician))) philosophers, they got shafted

Gavin Butler
Gavin Butler

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Above: How to make your thread complete shit before it even starts.

Jaxson Jenkins
Jaxson Jenkins

As if on cue. Thanks fellas, you just prove to the folks reading this that it is worth trying to hide. That just proves its worth reading. One shekel has been deposited into each of your accounts.

Luke Ortiz
Luke Ortiz

you just prove to the folks reading this that it is worth trying to hide
just keep telling yourself that as the thread slips into it's deserved ignominy stoicism? really?

Nathaniel Flores
Nathaniel Flores

Nietzche seems to be the logical follow through of Stoic tradition
Possibly, but he always struck me as far too… depressing for a stoic. Stoics I'd say are defiantly happy. Nietzche was I think a bit obsessed with things outside his control. Like being perceived by others as powerful etc.

Julian Carter
Julian Carter

hurr ur a shill if you point out that bad OP formatting ruins a thread

Josiah Robinson
Josiah Robinson

Nice analogy. Yes, Stoicism is a great foundation and worth studying.

Kant isn't necessarily related to Stoicism, but if we agree with the influence the Greeks had on Nietzsche, then it is helpful to understand who also had big influences on Nietzsche. Kant's work changed philosophy overall and was a major influence for Schopenhauer's "The World as Will and Representation". Schopenhauer's book, along with Wagner's opera "Tristan und Isolde" would be the inspiration for Nietzsche's first book. There is a lot of Schopenhauer in Nietzsche's writing, specifically relating to the will. Ultimately I think philosophy is best understood and appreciated when as much context can be provided as possible.

Nathan Martinez
Nathan Martinez

Nietzsche thought the stoics were fucking stupid. "Living, is that not precisely wanting to be different? And supposing your imperative ‘live according to nature’ meant at bottom as much as ‘live according to life’, how could you not do that? Why make a principle of what you yourselves are and must be?"
Zeno said to live according to nature, that's fucking stupid hippie bullshit, just like Epicurus. Fucking faggot retard.

Jacob Barnes
Jacob Barnes

graduate from college before you post

Jackson Johnson
Jackson Johnson

Filtered. You don't belong here.

Robert Garcia
Robert Garcia

If this is a reply to me, I am not contesting the military or political dominance, they obviously had it, and the stories of the military conquest are a joy to read. However with these wars the original Italian stock who were the most fit of their ethnic group died in these wars to conquer foreigners who the politicians allowed to enjoy the comforts of the city of the seven hills, and what would eventually lead to the upper classes being dominated by foreigners, and the entire empire ruled by prior conquered subjects.

If your military prowess ends up in your being replaced because you grow too comfortable being the top dog for too long, that is not a value I would want to participate in.

Stoics aren't puritans of course. It is foolhardy to think we can make a world of pure virgin waifus and supreme gentlemen if that is what you are implying by saying that Imperial Rome was degenerate.

Imperial Rome was degenerate in both mind and body. They replaced their ethnic religion with Persian and other near eastern deities over time in favor of their fathers truths to foreign minds. They grew lazy because they had foreigners fighting their wars for them and letting the foreigners rule over them, and the worst is they emulated the foreigners because they were shown to be more appealing. Tacicus speaks of this, and as the society grew brittle women had more power, instead of how it was in the Republic where gender roles were appropriate to how a traditional society should operate, instead of egalitarian filth.

Also, the only foolhardy thing is to worry about the state of the world when you need to be looking at your own society. At your height you will have a few rotten eggs, but it is nothing to upset the balance of said society, but if you let it fester because you use excuses to brush the problems to the side it will turn into the degenerate nature you speak of.

You're also a fucking faggot, why do you care what Nietzsche even thinks, go read Evola, Mr. College Degree.

Michael Nelson
Michael Nelson

Stoics and Epicureans are the same thing
You fukin wot m8?

Nature in this context isn't some hippie Gaia forest worship. Nature is far more approximated by the term 'that which is fundamental about the world and human beings'. The basic idea is that reality is constituted to certain facts that don't change. i.e. suffering is inevitable, people are greedy, there is conflict between good and evil etc.

Kevin Hughes
Kevin Hughes

Fuck off, jew.

Bump for defiance.

Kayden Moore
Kayden Moore

nice strawman faggot, I didn't imply anything in your fuckin greentext
says the faggot bumping (((Phoenician))) millennia-old pseudo-philosophy, might as well bump a thread on Marxism you dumb plebian

William Moore
William Moore

Quality post user. I can't contest the historical facts that you laid out. Perhaps there is a middle ground to be had in saying that the basic idea of an Empire with an aristocratic elite comprising the legislature, and a strong and expeditionary military is a fundamentally good idea. Rome may have failed in practice because they did not see the dangers of 'multiculturalism' but as we look to the future we can take their good ideas and avoid the obvious pitfalls. Do you agree?

Carson Rogers
Carson Rogers

It brings to mind that great Newtonian quote; "If I have seen far, it is only because I stand on the shoulders of giants." Context is always required to get the most value out of anything in life.

Nietzsche is a tragic, but insightful figure. He had a particularly slavish mentality, if accounts of his childhood are to be believed. It is no wonder he felt particularly repulsed by his equivalent of "normies".

It is an odd dichotomy that is ever present in the western mind; the idea that man as he is now is not natural. The question of nature vs nurture is misguided; it is in man's nature to be nurtured. Normal is a better term, and Goodness is the only worthy quality.

Gabriel Hall
Gabriel Hall

You don't understand Nietzsche, you have fucking down-syndrome.

Jordan Rogers
Jordan Rogers

Nice dubs, but it'd be more helpful if you could support your claim a bit more. How was his analysis wrong?

Joshua Garcia
Joshua Garcia

your claim
Shut the fuck up worm. I make no claims, I make decrees.
THIS THREAD IS DEAD

Tyler Wright
Tyler Wright

I mostly agree. His will to power is interesting but I think ultimately misguided. Being powerful in a political or physical sense is fine, but shouldn't be the ultimate objective. Alexander the Great accidentally killed his best friend in a drunken brawl. It absolutely wrecked him emotionally and he refused to eat or sleep for days. He was a man at the height of supreme power and he was brought low by his inability to control himself. Food for thought.

Owen Gutierrez
Owen Gutierrez

Alexander the Great accidentally killed his best friend in a drunken brawl. It absolutely wrecked him emotionally and he refused to eat or sleep for days
implying that's not made up to make him look good
holy shit my sides

Lucas White
Lucas White

Who is Cleitus the Black

Xavier James
Xavier James

Alright anons, I mentioned this guy earlier in the thread but it bears repeating. Pic related is Admiral Stockdale. He has forgotten more about being a badass than you could possibly learn in ten lifetimes. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to read every word this man ever wrote down. Take it, as with all things, a grain of salt but I cannot recommend this mans writing highly enough.

Kayden Morris
Kayden Morris

Shit, forgot the picture.

Elijah Kelly
Elijah Kelly

I have to wonder why a thread on stoicism of all things is being shilled at as hard as it is right now?

Gabriel Ward
Gabriel Ward

implying I'm talking about his hilarious death and not the fake grieving
goddamnit you're dumb

Jace Mitchell
Jace Mitchell

I have my own beliefs as far as my consideration of the human condition goes towards real life application. Not exactly stoic but if you paired the two up you'd find a lot of similarities. Classical studies at school introduced me to Socrates and ancient Greek philosophy. I thought Plato was a raging faggot though his ideas had a decent basis. I tried my best to study humanity through epidemiology and medicine as he would have and drew some initial conclusions from a purely biological point of view. Then I began to look into philosophers and such to, at the very least, put words to my beliefs. I spread the thought through everyone I came into contact with like HIV at a gay orgy via the socratic method. I'm not proud of doing it in such a dirty way but if at least one of them snapped out of their daze I'd consider it a win.

I consider nature more important than nurture and frankly I'm sickened by modern society's complete refusal to believe we are animals (while at the same time refusing to believe we are anything but animals!). I'm under the impression that everything has a biological basis and that all of our problems can be solved through large populations of the right people. Culture itself is just an expression of our biology too - our brains are organs after all.

etc. I'm too tired to write a full explanation.
/blog

Landon Flores
Landon Flores

I'm not seeing how the two things are related. People make mistakes and it affects their health. It takes more than that to debunk the idea of the will to power.

Sebastian Garcia
Sebastian Garcia

Good to see this simply and useful philosophy here on Holla Forums. Reading Meditations the first time gave me a fresh breath of air.
I'd also recommend alchemy and hermeticism. I see stoics just tl;dr them.

instead of the Empire which the US decided to mimic almost to a T
the whole country consciously decides to mimic degeneracy of his predecessor
You're so off the point that I don't even know where to begin.
The rot comes with prestige and wealth. People take it for granted(an evolutionary thing) and indulge in it while it lasts.
They forget to do things that made the empire great and it collapses.
And you have the (((rot))) that that feast on the dead flesh to make it die quicker and eventually metastasizes into a tumor.

The establishment of the Roman Empire was a SUCCESSFUL transition from the end stage of an empire to a new starting stage. And it kept Rome alive.
The Roman Republic was degenerate as the US is today.
They had two options:
-wither and die due to corruption
-get some smart men to reform it completely and cut out the tumor that was the senate
If it wasn't for Caesar and Augustus, who saw the collapse coming, Rome would fall in 50-100 due to Gauls seeing weakness and invading.

The problem with the degenerate late roman empire were obvious:
-too big and complex
-Huns that moved so many people that the Empire couldn't control the borders
They couldn't reform it like the last time so they did the next good thing. They CUT the malignant tumor that was the West and went East. Little did they know they jumped right into the semite's den with a shitstorm raging outside.
Next they jumped to the north into Russia.
Romans were some crafty folks I tell you h'wat. The body rotted but the head remained steadfast.
As was the case with Aurelius who was just holding the forst while the smart guys evacuated their wealth.
And no doubt the American founders predicted this as they could predict the sun rising.

Matthew Adams
Matthew Adams

Have a favorite wallpaper of mine, every line of that poem is good advice that every man of the west should drill into their own head. Anyway the big take away from Rome (and any other empire in history) is that having multiple ethnicities is garunteed suicide for the empire. Rome could have survived much longer if they tried to revitalize the degenerate italian/roman core of the empire, instead of replacing them with various conquered peoples. Also I can't believe we're having a decent thread about bread and butter Holla Forums topics without it being shilled and shitposted to death culminating in being deleted

Christian Martinez
Christian Martinez

Holla Forums is the new Stoa! The Logos blesses us with the natural KEK force.

i deeply regret abandoning my studies of epictetus
Epictetus was written from college notes by a student who became a general in the war. He returned home and write for Epictetus. In my opinion it's the absolute worst of Stoicism because it comes from the ideas of college nastolgia about a slave. Because he was a slave.

You can't become the Overman by reading about a slave trying to deal with his enslavement. Not to say it's not virtue for slaves, but you're not a slave.

Why was Kipling so fucking base?

You're correct about Plato and other things. But don't take the Biology meme into a static form. We're not computers and eco-"systems" have been proven false. Praise KEK, nature does whatever the fuck it wants!

Don't forget that Rome became a little too (((esoteric))), and this created cultural degeneracy. See Myth of the 20th Century (youtube it and look for the black sun).

Jaxon Young
Jaxon Young

posting a template thread
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Grayson Gomez
Grayson Gomez

Take a look at thread getting off to a good start
It's anchored an hour later
What the fuck is wrong with the mods?
Are we only allowed to talk about nigger dicks and 1488d chess?

Brody Rodriguez
Brody Rodriguez

muh booooooooooooooooooks

Robert Cooper
Robert Cooper

Don't forget that Rome became a little too (((esoteric))), and this created cultural degeneracy
How?

It's anchored an hour later
What do you expect?
EVERY productive thread gets first flooded by shills and then uprooted and left to wither.
Only current /n/ews thread, 4cuck tier opinion threads and porn spam that lasts for hour.
Let's just keep the discussion on and disregard the anchor.

Michael Phillips
Michael Phillips

template thread apologism
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Logan Jones
Logan Jones

It's not a muh books thread Imakike. WTF is wrong with you?

Ian Long
Ian Long

WTF is a template thread? What doesn current year have to do with it?

Easton Gomez
Easton Gomez

cuckchan is your chan. You're not different. Name one thing that's different! You are the epidomy of cuckchan.

8ch is cuck chan.

4chan is porn chan

Jack Rogers
Jack Rogers

THERE HAS TO BE ONE user WHO CAN MAKE A FUCKING MIRROR SITE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

FUCK!

ALL MIRROR SITES ARE SHILL SITES!

WTF~~~~~

Michael Cruz
Michael Cruz

What are the chances that IMkikey is Smiley?

Sebastian Martin
Sebastian Martin

Is it supposed to be difficult to maintain a stoic spirit? Or is that struggle called glory? I have a lot more respect for Cicero and his lot after living with the redpill in the modern world.

Brody Howard
Brody Howard

How exactly is this thread a template?

Jayden Fisher
Jayden Fisher

Smiley is just a nutzoid neet who gets twisted kicks derailing imageboard threads and attacking any anons who resent it. It got so bad earlier this year that the psycho tranny's kike family had to ask their rabbi to make an online statement that their precious Kenny was emotionally unstable and shouldn't be subjected to ridicule as it causes him to have "dark thoughts".

Yet this sick fuck will barge his way into threads here to shit them up and viciously attacks dozens of anons on a daily basis. Is that Jewish enough for you? "Wah, I'm a delicate little wild Rhinoceros … mommy , make them be kind to me". Read content of pic related. This creep is a real menace.

Anthony Perez
Anthony Perez

Stoics: the CivNats of the ancient world. They let themselves be swamped by Christians (shitskins and jews) didn't even get to keep muh republic.

Justin Carter
Justin Carter

Nature is absolutely the wellspring from which all human thought flows, but how you are nurtured determines whether or not you are able to achieve your natural limits.

Michael Bell
Michael Bell

gr8 b8 👌

Evan Garcia
Evan Garcia

OP, made a board for you, I did. /polism/index.html

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